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suitable site. Why not put the resite stalls to fill up gaps in a line of stalls, and then the whole line is on a legal basis, and the whole line is cleared to an off-street bazaar when a suitable off-street bazaar becomes available, which, at present, looks like being in the very distant future.

I so move.

MR. HU: Mr. Chairman, I had read Mr. BERNACCHI's speech beforehand. I think the mover does advance a lot of good and practical ideas based on his long association with the Council. It is only reasonable and logical that his ideas should have a fair chance to be tried. I am therefore pleased to second this motion.

(Mr. James M. H. WU left at this point.)

MR. PETER P. F. CHAN:-Mr. Chairman, before I move on this motion, may I ask for some clarification? If Mr. BERNACCHI's motion is being carried, then may I know who is going to occupy the off-street bazaars before all the licensees of the cooked food stalls are dead?

CHAIRMAN: --Will you repeat the question?

MR. P. F. CHAN:-The question is quite simple. Supposing this motion of Mr. BERNACCHI's is carried, then who is going to occupy the off-street bazaars?

MR. BERNACCHI: The re-site and other licensees. In my motion I said that the object of my motion is quite simple, to fill the gaps by the re-site licensees that have been compulsorily re-sited that have at present not found suitable re-sites. Then when the whole line of stalls is at last moved to an off-street bazaar, those re-site cases will move with the other stalls.

MRS. ELLIOTT: Mr. Chairman, I do not want to make a long speech, but I think Mr. BERNACCHI has offered the only practical solution to the problem of the Department trying to find a place for forced re-sites, and the licensee trying to find a place for himself, so we When I say can keep the licenced hawkers in the licenced area. "licenced area" I mean where there are other licenced hawkers. It is perfectly true that the minute a site becomes vacant it is taken up by illegal hawkers, and there seems to be no purpose in causing a problem of finding places for licenced hawkers, while leaving whole gaps for unlicenced hawkers to come in and litter up the streets. I support the

motion.

MR. PETER C. K. CHAN:-Mr. Chairman, I do not think Mr. Peter P. F. CHAN's question as presented has been fully answered, partly because some of the facts have not been made known to him. I think this is a point that needs to be clarified. In the case of a cooked food stall on the street, when the licensee dies, the operator will succeed.

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But, we try to move him away. If we allow him to remain, the street will never be cleared. But I think the whole hawker policy and eventually hawker bazaars will make available enough spaces to re-site all the on-street hawkers who are sometimes causing some obstruction in view of the increase in traffic.

However, Mr. Chairman, I support the spirit of this motion.

But

I have a great deal of reservation on the practicability of the exercise if it is to be implemented, if it can be implemented at all after what my namesake Mr. Peter P. F. CHAN said.

If a cooked food hawker is "temporary" resited to a good site in a reasonably good location on the street and to be asked to move to a bazaar after three months, that is temporary enough, I don't know who will receive a letter with all kinds of threatening words even if a salt fish is not enclosed. People may ask why this is, I understand that the former Chairman of the Hawker Management Committee used to get circular letters with salt fish inside, possibly that is very tasty.

I believe the spirit of this proposition will be very favourably considered by the Hawkers Select Committee and will be followed as far as practicable, if it is proved practicable. As a member of that committee, I promise that I will advocate for fish spirit if it is practic- able.

Considering the danger of the word temporary, we say temporary and then it may not be so temporary, I mean in the mind of the hawker it would be dangerous. Therefore, I oppose the motion on this technical ground only.

MR. BERNACCH:-At one time I thought that it was not necessary to reply, having given an answer to Mr. Peter CHAN's question, the appointed Mr. Peter CHAN as opposed to the elected Mr. Peter CHAN, but apparently my answer was not made clear to the elected Mr. Peter CHAN in view of his questions about who, who, who. Really, it is a simple answer, and I will repeat it once again. He merely enlarged upon it again in his written speech when he said "what do you mean by temporary" "how temporary is temporary"? Now, temporary means until the whole line is moved. Therefore, the Department itself has asked for discretion in future not to move successful applications for succession if, in their opinion, the move will give rise to illegal hawkers occupying the site. So that the present question is, a limited number of gaps are at present existing in a line of cooked food stalls. Shall we tolerate the presence of unlicenced hawkers in these gaps because we have no means apparently of controlling it, or shall we give these gaps to people who have been re-sited from their old positions and have nowhere to go? It is as easy as that, and in my submission what better solution can we find than to do justice to the people who are

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