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MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, are you also aware that the delay in putting forward this project in the Public Works Programme was due mostly to Government's dilatoriness in accepting the Urban Council's recommendation that the pool be heated?

CHAIRMAN: I am not aware of this, Mr. SALES.

MR. SALES: Then may I make you so aware?

CHAIRMAN: Are you asking a question?

MR. SALES: No, I am asking whether you will let me make you aware of it because I know it to be true.

CHAIRMAN: No, thanks, Mr. SALES.

MR. SALES: In the event, Sir, since you are not aware of it, and you are obstinate enough not to want to know about it, could I have it recorded that this is the case that it was entirely due to the delay in the Colonial Secretariat in accepting the principle of heating these pools that this delay has occurred? In the circumstances, Mr. Chairman, would you please bring to the attention of the Central Government that the Tai Wan Park pool would probably have been completed by now had there not been this delay?

CHAIRMAN: I notice there is now a delay, Mr. SALES. I will draw their attention to your opinion.

MR. SALES: It is not my opinion, it is a fact of life.

CHAIRMAN: Mr. SALES! Mr. SALES!

MR. SALES: Sir! Are you ready for further supplementary questions? In the list which you have provided of projects in category B, is it not a fact that many of these projects have not come on sooner because they were held back in the other department, namely, in the Colonial Secretariat?

CHAIRMAN: I am not aware of it, Mr. SALES.

MR. SALES: Had not this delaying tactic been responsible for holding these projects back, they might well have been higher up on the scale of the Public Works Programme.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Mr. Chairman, since you are not aware of it, would you take it as a matter of fact, this being a statement from the Chairman of the Select Committee concerned, that such is a fact and that being the case it should be pursued by you, Mr. Chairman.

CHAIRMAN: Not necessarily, Mr. CHEONG-LEEN.

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MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, may I suggest that my purpose this afternoon is to establish that many of these projects which are now left in mid-air, so to speak, would have been the direct responsibility of the Government before the Urban Council is asked to paddle its own canoe financially.

(5) MRS. E. ELLIOTT asked the following question:

Recently I asked a question about the checking of embankments on Resettlement Estates, and was assured that special squads were being set up.

Which estates have been checked so far?

What are the results of their investigations?

MR. PETER C. K. CHAN, CHAIRMAN OF THE RESETTLEMENT SELECT COMMITTEE, replied as follows:

Although appropriate additional posts in the Works Division of the Resettlement Department have been secured, that is, 2 assistant technical officers and 4 foremen, it has not yet been possible to fill all these posts and set up the teams on a permanent basis: overall there are about 18 foreman vacancies. Despite this, the Works Division staff has made a special effort to check estate embankments.

The most important single safety precaution that can be taken to ensure no blow-out of our estate embankments is to check the water mains to ensure that there are no leaks. For many years the Waterworks have undertaken a very thorough-going programme for checking mains throughout the Colony (including those in resettlement estates) every 3 months for fresh water and every 6 months for salt water, and this exercise will continue. For example, in the last 3 months, the fresh water mains pipes in 21 estates, and salt water mains in 9 estates, have been checked in this way and no significant defects have been found.

The Works Division itself has carried out an active programme of checking various estate embankments from the outside, as it were, and no weaknesses have been found during these inspections. However, some drainage pipes in the face of the slopes have been found to be blocked and work on clearing these is proceeding all the time. In this process, the opportunity will be taken to improve the drainage arrangements on these slopes by replacing old piping and introducing hard-core catchments around these pipes.

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Page 73 of 206 126 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, are you also aware that the delay in putting forward this project in the Public Works Programme was due mostly to Government's dilatoriness in accepting the Urban Council's recommendation that the pool be heated? CHAIRMAN: I am not aware of this, Mr. SALES. MR. SALES: Then may I make you so aware? CHAIRMAN: Are you asking a question? MR. SALES: No, I am asking whether you will let me make you aware of it because I know it to be true. CHAIRMAN: No, thanks, Mr. SALES. MR. SALES: In the event, Sir, since you are not aware of it, and you are obstinate enough not to want to know about it, could I have it recorded that this is the case that it was entirely due to the delay in the Colonial Secretariat in accepting the principle of heating these pools that this delay has occurred? In the circumstances, Mr. Chairman, would you please bring to the attention of the Central Government that the Tai Wan Park pool would probably have been completed by now had there not been this delay? CHAIRMAN: I notice there is now a delay, Mr. SALES. I will draw their attention to your opinion. MR. SALES: It is not my opinion, it is a fact of life. CHAIRMAN: Mr. SALES! Mr. SALES! MR. SALES: Sir! Are you ready for further supplementary questions? In the list which you have provided of projects in category B, is it not a fact that many of these projects have not come on sooner because they were held back in the other department, namely, in the Colonial Secretariat? CHAIRMAN: I am not aware of it, Mr. SALES. MR. SALES: Had not this delaying tactic been responsible for holding these projects back, they might well have been higher up on the scale of the Public Works Programme. MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Mr. Chairman, since you are not aware of it, would you take it as a matter of fact, this being a statement from the Chairman of the Select Committee concerned, that such is a fact and that being the case it should be pursued by you, Mr. Chairman. CHAIRMAN: Not necessarily, Mr. CHEONG-LEEN. HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 127 MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, may I suggest that my purpose this afternoon is to establish that many of these projects which are now left in mid-air, so to speak, would have been the direct responsibility of the Government before the Urban Council is asked to paddle its own canoe financially. (5) MRS. E. ELLIOTT asked the following question: Recently I asked a question about the checking of embankments on Resettlement Estates, and was assured that special squads were being set up. Which estates have been checked so far? What are the results of their investigations? MR. PETER C. K. CHAN, CHAIRMAN OF THE RESETTLEMENT SELECT COMMITTEE, replied as follows: Although appropriate additional posts in the Works Division of the Resettlement Department have been secured, that is, 2 assistant technical officers and 4 foremen, it has not yet been possible to fill all these posts and set up the teams on a permanent basis: overall there are about 18 foreman vacancies. Despite this, the Works Division staff has made a special effort to check estate embankments. The most important single safety precaution that can be taken to ensure no blow-out of our estate embankments is to check the water mains to ensure that there are no leaks. For many years the Waterworks have undertaken a very thorough-going programme for checking mains throughout the Colony (including those in resettlement estates) every 3 months for fresh water and every 6 months for salt water, and this exercise will continue. For example, in the last 3 months, the fresh water mains pipes in 21 estates, and salt water mains in 9 estates, have been checked in this way and no significant defects have been found. The Works Division itself has carried out an active programme of checking various estate embankments from the outside, as it were, and no weaknesses have been found during these inspections. However, some drainage pipes in the face of the slopes have been found to be blocked and work on clearing these is proceeding all the time. In this process, the opportunity will be taken to improve the drainage arrangements on these slopes by replacing old piping and introducing hard-core catchments around these pipes. Page 73 of 206

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Page 73 of Page 73 of 206 126 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, are you also aware that the delay in putting forward this project in the Public Works Programme was due mostly to Government's dilatoriness in accepting the Urban Council's recommendation that the pool be heated? CHAIRMAN:-I am not aware of this Mr. SALES. MR. SALES:-Then may I make you so aware? CHAIRMAN:-Are you asking a question? MR. SALES: --No I am asking whether you will let me make Would you like to you aware of it because I know it to be true. comment on it? CHAIRMAN:-No, thanks, Mr. SALES. MR. SALES: In the event, Sir, since you are not aware of it, and you are obstinate enough not to want to know about it, could I have it recorded that this is the case that it was entirely due to the delay in the Colonial Secretariat in accepting the principle of heating these pools that this delay has occurred? In the circumstances Mr. Chairman, would you please bring to the attention of the Central Government that the Tai Wan Park pool would probably have been completed by now had there not been this delay? CHAIRMAN:-I notice there is now a delay, Mr. SALES. I will draw their attention to your opinion. MR. SALES: —It is not my opinion, it is a fact of life. CHAIRMAN:-Mr. SALES! Mr. SALES! MR. SALES: -Sir! are you ready for further supplementary questions? In the list which you have provided of projects in category B, is it not a fact that many of these projects have not come on sooner because they were held back in the other department, namely, in the Colonial Secretariat? CHAIRMAN: I am not aware of it, Mr. SALES. MR. SALES: Had not this delaying tactic been responsible for holding these projects back, they might well have been higher up on the scale of the Public Works Programme. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, since you are not aware of it, would you take it as a matter of fact, this being a statement from the Chairman of the Select Committee concerned, that such is a fact and that being the case it should be pursued by you, Mr. Chairman. CHAIRMAN:-Not necessarily, Mr. CHEONG-LEEN. HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 127 MR. SALES: --Mr. Chairman, may I suggest that my purpose this afternoon is to establish that many of these projects which are now left in mid-air, so to speak, would have been the direct responsibility of the Government before the Urban Council is asked to paddle its own canoe financially. (5) MRS. E. ELLIOTT asked the following question:- Recently I asked a question about the checking of embank- ments on Resettlement Estates, and was assured that special squads were being set up. Which estates have been checked so far? of their investigations? What are the results MR. PETER C. K. CHAN, CHAIRMAN OF THE RESETTLEMENT SELECT COMMITTEE, replied as follows:- Although appropriate additional posts in the Works Division of the Resettlement Department have been secured, that is, 2 assistant technical officers and 4 foremen, it has not yet been possible to fill all these posts and set up the teams on a permanent basis: overall there are about 18 foreman vacancies. Despite this, the Works Division staff has made a special effort to check estate embankments. The most important singly safety precaution that can be taken to ensure no blow-out of our estate embankments is to check the water mains to ensure that there are no leaks. For many years the Waterworks have undertaken a very thorough going programme for checking mains throughout the Colony (including those in resettlement estates) every 3 months for fresh water and every 6 months for salt water and this exercise will continue. For example, in the last 3 months, the fresh water mains pipes in 21 estates, and salt water mains in 9 estates, have been checked in this way and no significant defects have been found. The Works Division itself has carried out an active programme of checking various estate embankments from the outside, as it were, and no weaknesses have been found during these inspections. However, some drainage pipes in the face of the slopes have been found to be blocked and work on clearing these is proceeding all the time. In this process, the opportunity will be taken to improve the drainage arrangements on these slopes by replacing old piping and introducing hard-core catchments around these pipes.

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MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, are you also aware that the delay in putting forward this project in the Public Works Programme was due mostly to Government's dilatoriness in accepting the Urban Council's

recommendation that the pool be heated?

CHAIRMAN:-I am not aware of this Mr. SALES.

MR. SALES:-Then may I make you so aware?

CHAIRMAN:-Are you asking a question?

MR. SALES: --No I am asking whether you will let me make Would you like to you aware of it because I know it to be true. comment on it?

CHAIRMAN:-No, thanks, Mr. SALES.

MR. SALES: In the event, Sir, since you are not aware of it, and you are obstinate enough not to want to know about it, could I have it recorded that this is the case that it was entirely due to the delay in the Colonial Secretariat in accepting the principle of heating these pools that this delay has occurred? In the circumstances Mr. Chairman, would you please bring to the attention of the Central Government that the Tai Wan Park pool would probably have been completed by now had there not been this delay?

CHAIRMAN:-I notice there is now a delay, Mr. SALES. I will draw their attention to your opinion.

MR. SALES: —It is not my opinion, it is a fact of life.

CHAIRMAN:-Mr. SALES! Mr. SALES!

MR. SALES: -Sir! are you ready for further supplementary questions? In the list which you have provided of projects in category B, is it not a fact that many of these projects have not come on sooner because they were held back in the other department, namely, in the Colonial Secretariat?

CHAIRMAN: I am not aware of it, Mr. SALES.

MR. SALES: Had not this delaying tactic been responsible for holding these projects back, they might well have been higher up on the scale of the Public Works Programme.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, since you are not aware of it, would you take it as a matter of fact, this being a statement from the Chairman of the Select Committee concerned, that such is a fact and that being the case it should be pursued by you, Mr. Chairman.

CHAIRMAN:-Not necessarily, Mr. CHEONG-LEEN.

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MR. SALES: --Mr. Chairman, may I suggest that my purpose this afternoon is to establish that many of these projects which are now left in mid-air, so to speak, would have been the direct responsibility of the Government before the Urban Council is asked to paddle its own canoe financially.

(5) MRS. E. ELLIOTT asked the following question:-

Recently I asked a question about the checking of embank- ments on Resettlement Estates, and was assured that special squads were being set up.

Which estates have been checked so far?

of their investigations?

What are the results

MR. PETER C. K. CHAN, CHAIRMAN OF THE RESETTLEMENT SELECT COMMITTEE, replied as follows:-

The most important singly safety precaution that can be taken to ensure no blow-out of our estate embankments is to check the water mains to ensure that there are no leaks. For many years the Waterworks have undertaken a very thorough going programme for checking mains throughout the Colony (including those in resettlement estates) every 3 months for fresh water and every 6 months for salt water and this exercise will continue. For example, in the last 3 months, the fresh water mains pipes in 21 estates, and salt water mains in 9 estates, have been checked in this way and no significant defects have been found.

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