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in Hong Kong. This motion was conveyed to the Government. They replied that funds could not be made available for this purpose and that any proposal for the provision of public funds for the establishment or maintenance of any sizeable zoo directly by the Government or the Urban Council would be unlikely to gain acceptance in the foreseeable future. While admitting that a zoo might be a desirable educational and recreational amenity, the Government considered that it should be established and run by either private enterprise or a suitable non-Government organization widely representative of interested groups or persons. If such an organization were to be formed and it demonstrated that it was capable of financing and properly managing the affairs of a zoo on a continuing basis, then I understand that the Government might be prepared to give further consideration to the desirability of its assisting the enterprise in some appropriate manner.

I might add that local circumstances have changed to the point when I think the Government would do well to review the position and perhaps consider accepting direct responsibility for the provision and maintenance of a zoo in Kowloon.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:- Does Kowloon include New Territories?

MR. SALES:- Mr. Chairman, I would like you to answer that with the assistance of the former Commissioner for New Territories.

(6)

CHAIRMAN:- I am afraid not, Mr. CHEONG-LEEN.

MRS. E. ELLIOTT asked the following question:-

(a) What was the size of shop usually given to Social Welfare cases in the past?

(b) Which trades are forbidden in this size of shop?

THE COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT replied as follows:

First of all I should state that the allocation of shops on compassionate or welfare grounds was discontinued by decision of the Joint Resettlement Select Committees in February, 1970.

Compassionate cases were in the past allocated small shops: namely Small Single Bay Shops of 129 sq. ft. and Minor Shops of 120 sq. ft. in Mark III/IV estates, or Small Shops of 135 sq. ft. and Minor Shops of 110 sq. ft. in Mark V estates. Larger shops were occasionally given if no Small Shops were available or on the specific recommendation of the Social Welfare or Medical Departments.

Only offensive trades are forbidden in these premises, but compassionate tenants wishing to operate businesses requiring licences under any separate enactments may have difficulties to realize their wishes. As for example, some shops mentioned above cannot be licensed as a restaurant or light refreshment cafe in view of their size, because the dimensions would not conform with the licensing requirements laid down by this Council in their Food Business By-laws.

MRS. ELLIOTT:- Mr. Chairman, I am disappointed with that answer, first of all because the first part was uncalled for-I said what was the size. But Part (c) hasn't been answered and that's really the part I wanted to know. Can any kind of cooked food be sold in a shop given on compassionate grounds? I really want to know that.

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- I am not competent to answer that question. I think the question can only be answered by the Chairman of the Food and Food Premises Select Committee.

MRS. ELLIOTT:- Mr. Chairman, I don't mind who answers it. I asked the question for anybody to answer.

CHAIRMAN:- I think Mrs. ELLIOTT that the Commissioner for Resettlement has made it clear that only offensive trades are prohibited in these premises. If people want to make food or cook food, they will have to have a licence from the Urban Council for that purpose and the specifications of kitchens and premises are spelt out in the Fourth Schedule to the Food Business By-laws.

MRS. ELLIOTT:- Mr. Chairman, I know all that, I know those rules but what I really want to know is can any kind of cooked food, I am thinking of noodles, fish balls or anything like that which is quite a different matter from talking about size of kitchens, licensing and so on. I really want to know the answer to that because I am always being asked by clients.

CHAIRMAN:- Subject to correction, I think it would appear to me from the answer already given that there is no restriction.

MRS. ELLIOTT:- No restriction .?

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HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL Page 60 of 242 in Hong Kong. This motion was conveyed to the Government. They replied that funds could not be made available for this purpose and that any proposal for the provision of public funds for the establishment or maintenance of any sizeable zoo directly by the Government or the Urban Council would be unlikely to gain acceptance in the foreseeable future. While admitting that a zoo might be a desirable educational and recreational amenity, the Government considered that it should be established and run by either private enterprise or a suitable non-Government organization widely representative of interested groups or persons. If such an organization were to be formed and it demonstrated that it was capable of financing and properly managing the affairs of a zoo on a continuing basis, then I understand that the Government might be prepared to give further consideration to the desirability of its assisting the enterprise in some appropriate manner. I might add that local circumstances have changed to the point when I think the Government would do well to review the position and perhaps consider accepting direct responsibility for the provision and maintenance of a zoo in Kowloon. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:- Does Kowloon include New Territories? MR. SALES:- Mr. Chairman, I would like you to answer that with the assistance of the former Commissioner for New Territories. (6) CHAIRMAN:- I am afraid not, Mr. CHEONG-LEEN. MRS. E. ELLIOTT asked the following question:- (a) What was the size of shop usually given to Social Welfare cases in the past? (b) Which trades are forbidden in this size of shop? (c) Can any kind of cooked food be sold in a shop given on compassionate grounds? THE COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT replied as follows: First of all I should state that the allocation of shops on compassionate or welfare grounds was discontinued by decision of the Joint Resettlement Select Committees in February, 1970. Compassionate cases were in the past allocated small shops: namely Small Single Bay Shops of 129 sq. ft. and Minor Shops of 120 sq. ft. in Mark III/IV estates, or Small Shops of 135 sq. ft. and Minor Shops of 110 sq. ft. in Mark V estates. Larger shops were occasionally given if no Small Shops were available or on the specific recommendation of the Social Welfare or Medical Departments. Only offensive trades are forbidden in these premises, but compassionate tenants wishing to operate businesses requiring licences under any separate enactments may have difficulties to realize their wishes. As for example, some shops mentioned above cannot be licensed as a restaurant or light refreshment cafe in view of their size, because the dimensions would not conform with the licensing requirements laid down by this Council in their Food Business By-laws. MRS. ELLIOTT:- Mr. Chairman, I am disappointed with that answer, first of all because the first part was uncalled for-I said what was the size. But Part (c) hasn't been answered and that's really the part I wanted to know. Can any kind of cooked food be sold in a shop given on compassionate grounds? I really want to know that. COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- I am not competent to answer that question. I think the question can only be answered by the Chairman of the Food and Food Premises Select Committee. MRS. ELLIOTT:- Mr. Chairman, I don't mind who answers it. I asked the question for anybody to answer. CHAIRMAN:- I think Mrs. ELLIOTT that the Commissioner for Resettlement has made it clear that only offensive trades are prohibited in these premises. If people want to make food or cook food, they will have to have a licence from the Urban Council for that purpose and the specifications of kitchens and premises are spelt out in the Fourth Schedule to the Food Business By-laws. MRS. ELLIOTT:- Mr. Chairman, I know all that, I know those rules but what I really want to know is can any kind of cooked food, I am thinking of noodles, fish balls or anything like that which is quite a different matter from talking about size of kitchens, licensing and so on. I really want to know the answer to that because I am always being asked by clients. CHAIRMAN:- Subject to correction, I think it would appear to me from the answer already given that there is no restriction. MRS. ELLIOTT:- No restriction .? Page 60 Page 61

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회 100 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL Page 60 of 242 101 in Hong Kong. This motion was conveyed to the Government. They replied that funds could not be made available for this purpose and that any proposal for the provision of public funds for the establishment or main- tenance of any sizeable zoo directly by the Government or the Urban Council would be unlikely to gain acceptance in the foreseeable future. While admitting that a zoo might be a desirable educational and recreational amenity, the Government considered that it should be established and run by either private enterprise or a suitable non-Government organization widely representa- tive of interested groups or persons. If such an organiza- tion were to be formed and it demonstrated that it was capable of financing and properly managing the affairs of a zoo on a continuing basis, then I understand that the Government might be prepared to give further considera- tion to the desirability of its assisting the enterprise in some appropriate manner. I might add that local circumstances have changed to the point when I think the Government would do well to review the position and perhaps consider accepting direct responsi- bility for the provision and maintenance of a zoo in Kowloon. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Does Kowloon include New Territories? MR. SALES: -Mr. Chairman, I would like you to answer that with the assistance of the former Commissioner for New Territories. (6) CHAIRMAN:-I am afraid not, Mr. CHEONG-LEEN. MRS. E. ELLIOTT asked the following question :- (a) What was the size of shop usually given to Social Welfare cases in the past? (b) Which trades are forbidden in this size of shop? (c) Can any kind of cooked food be sold in a shop given on compassionate grounds? THE COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT replied as follows: First of all I should state that the allocation of shops on com- passionate or welfare grounds was discontinued by deci- sion of the Joint Resettlement Select Committees in February, 1970. Compassionate cases were in the past allocated small shops: namely Small Single Bay Shops of 129 sq. ft. and Minor Shops of 120 sq. ft. in Mark III/IV estates, or Small Shops of 135 sq. ft. and Minor Shops of 110 sq. ft. in Mark V estates. Larger shops were occasionally given if no Small Shops were available or on the specific recom- mendation of the Social Welfare or Medical Departments. Only offensive trades are forbidden in these premises, but com- passionate tenants wishing to operate businesses requiring licences under any separate enactments may have difficul- ties to realize their wishes. As for example, some shops mentioned above cannot be licensed as a restaurant or light refreshment cafe in view of their size, because the dimensions would not conform with the licensing require- ments laid down by this Council in their Food Business By-laws. MRS. ELLIOTT:-Mr. Chairman, I am disappointed with that answer, first of all because the first part was uncalled for-I said what was the size. But Part (c) hasn't been answered and that's really the part I wanted to know. Can any kind of cooked food be sold in a shop given on compassionate grounds? I really want to know that. COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: -I am not competent to answer that question. I think the question can only be answered by the Chairman of the Food and Food Premises Select Committee. MRS. ELLIOTT:-Mr. Chairman, I don't mind who answers it. I asked the question for anybody to answer. CHAIRMAN:-I think Mrs. ELLIOTT that the Commissioner for Resettlement has made it clear that only offensive trades are prohibited in these premises. If people want to make food or cook food, they will have to have a licence from the Urban Council for that purpose and the specifications of kitchens and premises are spelt out in the Fourth Schedule to the Food Business By-laws. MRS. ELLIOTT:-Mr. Chairman, I know all that, I know those rules but what I really want to know is can any kind of cooked food, I am thinking of noodles, fish balls or anything like that which is quite a different matter from talking about size of kitchens, licensing and so on. I really want to know the answer to that because I am always being asked by clients. CHAIRMAN:-Subject to correction, I think it would appear to me from the answer already given that there is no restriction. MRS. ELLIOTT:-No restriction .? Page 60Page 61

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in Hong Kong. This motion was conveyed to the Government. They replied that funds could not be made available for this purpose and that any proposal for the provision of public funds for the establishment or main- tenance of any sizeable zoo directly by the Government or the Urban Council would be unlikely to gain acceptance in the foreseeable future. While admitting that a zoo might be a desirable educational and recreational amenity, the Government considered that it should be established and run by either private enterprise or a suitable non-Government organization widely representa- tive of interested groups or persons. If such an organiza- tion were to be formed and it demonstrated that it was capable of financing and properly managing the affairs of a zoo on a continuing basis, then I understand that the Government might be prepared to give further considera- tion to the desirability of its assisting the enterprise in some appropriate manner.

I might add that local circumstances have changed to the point when I think the Government would do well to review the position and perhaps consider accepting direct responsi- bility for the provision and maintenance of a zoo in Kowloon.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Does Kowloon include New Territories?

MR. SALES: -Mr. Chairman, I would like you to answer that with the assistance of the former Commissioner for New Territories.

(6)

CHAIRMAN:-I am afraid not, Mr. CHEONG-LEEN.

MRS. E. ELLIOTT asked the following question :-

(a) What was the size of shop usually given to Social Welfare

cases in the past?

(b) Which trades are forbidden in this size of shop?

compassionate grounds?

THE COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT replied as follows:

First of all I should state that the allocation of shops on com- passionate or welfare grounds was discontinued by deci- sion of the Joint Resettlement Select Committees in February, 1970.

Compassionate cases were in the past allocated small shops:

namely Small Single Bay Shops of 129 sq. ft. and Minor Shops of 120 sq. ft. in Mark III/IV estates, or Small Shops of 135 sq. ft. and Minor Shops of 110 sq. ft. in Mark V estates. Larger shops were occasionally given if no Small Shops were available or on the specific recom- mendation of the Social Welfare or Medical Departments.

Only offensive trades are forbidden in these premises, but com- passionate tenants wishing to operate businesses requiring licences under any separate enactments may have difficul- ties to realize their wishes. As for example, some shops mentioned above cannot be licensed as a restaurant or light refreshment cafe in view of their size, because the dimensions would not conform with the licensing require- ments laid down by this Council in their Food Business By-laws.

MRS. ELLIOTT:-Mr. Chairman, I am disappointed with that answer, first of all because the first part was uncalled for-I said what was the size. But Part (c) hasn't been answered and that's really the part I wanted to know. Can any kind of cooked food be sold in a shop given on compassionate grounds? I really want to know that.

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: -I am not competent to answer that question. I think the question can only be answered by the Chairman of the Food and Food Premises Select Committee.

MRS. ELLIOTT:-Mr. Chairman, I don't mind who answers it. I asked the question for anybody to answer.

CHAIRMAN:-I think Mrs. ELLIOTT that the Commissioner for Resettlement has made it clear that only offensive trades are prohibited in these premises. If people want to make food or cook food, they will have to have a licence from the Urban Council for that purpose and the specifications of kitchens and premises are spelt out in the Fourth Schedule to the Food Business By-laws.

MRS. ELLIOTT:-Mr. Chairman, I know all that, I know those rules but what I really want to know is can any kind of cooked food, I am thinking of noodles, fish balls or anything like that which is quite a different matter from talking about size of kitchens, licensing and so on. I really want to know the answer to that because I am always being asked by clients.

CHAIRMAN:-Subject to correction, I think it would appear to me from the answer already given that there is no restriction.

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