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MRS. ELLIOTT:- Mr. Chairman, we do have block officers, is there any reason why the Block Officers shouldn't check them?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- Mr. Chairman, that is just one of the points that will be covered by my comment "we are looking into ways and means of ensuring more frequent checks".

(5) MR. HENRY H. L. Hu: Mr. Chairman, I think that the Commissioner for Resettlement needs some breath so may I ask question 5.

Could the Chairman inform the Council whether the set-up of Park Wardens (or any other name) could be considered to keep clean those areas where the public usually frequent for picnic or barbecues?

MR. A. de O. SALES, CHAIRMAN OF THE RECREATION AND AMENITIES SELECT COMMITTEE, replied as follows:-

As Mr. Hu is aware, there are considerable numbers of areas frequented by picnickers, only a small proportion of which are gazetted as public pleasure grounds. There are in fact 12 urban beaches with barbecue pits and 7 other gazetted picnic or barbecue areas, all of which are cleansed regularly by U.S.D. labourers. Other areas used for picnics or barbecues may or may not have a cleansing service although many of the catchment areas on Hong Kong Island are serviced by a team from the Agriculture and Fisheries Department.

Mr. Hu will be glad to hear that the Hong Kong Island Advisory Committee for Recreational Development and Nature Conservation has made proposals to Government for the development of a large number of picnic spots, together with the provision of adequate scavenging services to look after them. These proposals are still under study by the Government.

MR. HU:- May I, through you, Mr. Chairman, thank Mr. SALES for his answer. I borrowed this idea from the set-up in England.

The Park Wardens...

CHAIRMAN:- Are you asking a supplementary?

MR. HU:- I will come to it. Does Mr. SALES consider that the persons involved in the cleansing of the various spots have power to advise the public to keep the place clean, or does he only have the power to clean the place without the power to advise the public?

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MR. SALES:- Wasn't that a new question? If you are stretching that question to oblige my very great friend Mr. Henry Hu, I hope you will show the same indulgence when the Appointed Members are asking supplementary questions. (Laughter).

MR. HU:- No, Mr. Chairman, I referred to Park Wardens. In U.K. usually he has the power to advise the public to keep the place clean so my question is knitted to that. I haven't gone into a new question.

MR. SALES:- Mr. Chairman, may I accommodate Mr. Henry Hu whilst you are deliberating whether he is in or out of order? Anyway, we both read the same magazine from the United Kingdom "Park Administration" and in Hong Kong I have seen members of the staff advising the public how to help with keeping the beaches and picnic areas clean. Whether the Hong Kong public follows the advice or not I cannot say, but it is evident from the litter that is found everywhere that the advice is not taken seriously. But if Mr. Hu wishes to empower our Amenities Assistants to go beyond advising the public, perhaps this matter might be taken up at the next Select Committee when we would be very happy to consider any proposal which Mr. Hu might wish to make.

MR. HU:- Mr. Chairman I wish also that this idea could be applied as wide as possible, not only on Hong Kong Island, but also Kowloon or even the New Territories.

MR. SALES:- Mr. Chairman, I am most obliged to my friend Mr. Hu for thinking so much about Kowloon. He can rest assured that it will be tried out first in Kowloon and then applied to Hong Kong Island. (Laughter).

MR. BERNACCHI:- Mr. Chairman, is the long-named committee "the Hong Kong Island Advisory Committee for Recreation Development and Nature Conservation" a Government Advisory Committee, and if so is there a similar advisory Committee for Kowloon?

MR. SALES:- Mr. Chairman, first, supplementary questions should be based on the text of the original question, not on the answer unless it is to clarify a position. Secondly, since it concerns Kowloon, I agree with you that we should stretch a point. Certainly there is a counter-part committee for Kowloon and the New Territories. It is for the New Territories, not Kowloon proper, on which the Urban Council is not represented. The Urban Council is only represented on this particular Committee. This is a question of discriminating against the Urban Council when it comes to the New Territories.

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Page 225 of 242 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL MRS. ELLIOTT:- Mr. Chairman, we do have block officers, is there any reason why the Block Officers shouldn't check them? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- Mr. Chairman, that is just one of the points that will be covered by my comment "we are looking into ways and means of ensuring more frequent checks". (5) MR. HENRY H. L. Hu: Mr. Chairman, I think that the Commissioner for Resettlement needs some breath so may I ask question 5. Could the Chairman inform the Council whether the set-up of Park Wardens (or any other name) could be considered to keep clean those areas where the public usually frequent for picnic or barbecues? MR. A. de O. SALES, CHAIRMAN OF THE RECREATION AND AMENITIES SELECT COMMITTEE, replied as follows:- As Mr. Hu is aware, there are considerable numbers of areas frequented by picnickers, only a small proportion of which are gazetted as public pleasure grounds. There are in fact 12 urban beaches with barbecue pits and 7 other gazetted picnic or barbecue areas, all of which are cleansed regularly by U.S.D. labourers. Other areas used for picnics or barbecues may or may not have a cleansing service although many of the catchment areas on Hong Kong Island are serviced by a team from the Agriculture and Fisheries Department. Mr. Hu will be glad to hear that the Hong Kong Island Advisory Committee for Recreational Development and Nature Conservation has made proposals to Government for the development of a large number of picnic spots, together with the provision of adequate scavenging services to look after them. These proposals are still under study by the Government. MR. HU:- May I, through you, Mr. Chairman, thank Mr. SALES for his answer. I borrowed this idea from the set-up in England. The Park Wardens... CHAIRMAN:- Are you asking a supplementary? MR. HU:- I will come to it. Does Mr. SALES consider that the persons involved in the cleansing of the various spots have power to advise the public to keep the place clean, or does he only have the power to clean the place without the power to advise the public? HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL MR. SALES:- Wasn't that a new question? If you are stretching that question to oblige my very great friend Mr. Henry Hu, I hope you will show the same indulgence when the Appointed Members are asking supplementary questions. (Laughter). MR. HU:- No, Mr. Chairman, I referred to Park Wardens. In U.K. usually he has the power to advise the public to keep the place clean so my question is knitted to that. I haven't gone into a new question. MR. SALES:- Mr. Chairman, may I accommodate Mr. Henry Hu whilst you are deliberating whether he is in or out of order? Anyway, we both read the same magazine from the United Kingdom "Park Administration" and in Hong Kong I have seen members of the staff advising the public how to help with keeping the beaches and picnic areas clean. Whether the Hong Kong public follows the advice or not I cannot say, but it is evident from the litter that is found everywhere that the advice is not taken seriously. But if Mr. Hu wishes to empower our Amenities Assistants to go beyond advising the public, perhaps this matter might be taken up at the next Select Committee when we would be very happy to consider any proposal which Mr. Hu might wish to make. MR. HU:- Mr. Chairman I wish also that this idea could be applied as wide as possible, not only on Hong Kong Island, but also Kowloon or even the New Territories. MR. SALES:- Mr. Chairman, I am most obliged to my friend Mr. Hu for thinking so much about Kowloon. He can rest assured that it will be tried out first in Kowloon and then applied to Hong Kong Island. (Laughter). MR. BERNACCHI:- Mr. Chairman, is the long-named committee "the Hong Kong Island Advisory Committee for Recreation Development and Nature Conservation" a Government Advisory Committee, and if so is there a similar advisory Committee for Kowloon? MR. SALES:- Mr. Chairman, first, supplementary questions should be based on the text of the original question, not on the answer unless it is to clarify a position. Secondly, since it concerns Kowloon, I agree with you that we should stretch a point. Certainly there is a counter-part committee for Kowloon and the New Territories. It is for the New Territories, not Kowloon proper, on which the Urban Council is not represented. The Urban Council is only represented on this particular Committee. This is a question of discriminating against the Urban Council when it comes to the New Territories. Page 226 of 242

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242 Page 225 of 242 430 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL MRS. ELLIOTT:-Mr. Chairman, we do have block officers, is there any reason why the Block Officers shouldn't check them? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-Mr. Chairman, that is just one of the points that will be covered by my comment "we are looking into ways and means of ensuring more frequent checks". (5) MR. HENRY H. L. Hu: Mr. Chairman, I think that the Com- missioner for Resettlement needs some breath so may I ask question 5. Could the Chairman inform the Council whether the set-up of Park Wardens (or any other name) could be considered to keep clean those areas where the public usually frequent for picnic or barbecues? MR. A. de O. SALES, CHAIRMAN OF THE RECREATION AND AMENITIES SELECT COMMITTEE, replied as follows:- As Mr. Hu is aware, there are considerable numbers of areas frequented by picnickers, only a small proportion of which are gazetted as public pleasure grounds. There are in fact 12 urban beaches with barbecue pits and 7 other gazetted picnic or barbecue areas, all of which are cleansed regularly by U.S.D. labourers. Other areas used for picnics or barbecues may or may not have a cleansing service although many of the catchment areas on Hong Kong Island are serviced by a team from the Agriculture and Fisheries Department. Mr. Hu will be glad to hear that the Hong Kong Island Advisory Committee for Recreational Development and Nature Conservation has made proposals to Government for the development of a large number of picnic spots, together with the provision of adequate scavenging services to look after them. These proposals are still under study by the Government. MR. HU:-May I, through you, Mr. Chairman, thank Mr. SALES for his answer. I borrowed this idea from the set-up in England. The Park Wardens . . CHAIRMAN:-Are you asking a supplementary? MR. HU:-I will come to it. Does Mr. SALES consider that the persons involved in the cleansing of the various spots have power to advise the public to keep the place clean, or does he only have the power to clean the place without the power to advise the public? HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 431 MR. SALES: --Wasn't that a new question? If you are stretching that question to oblige my very great friend Mr. Henry Hu, I hope you will show the same indulgence when the Appointed Members are asking supplementary questions. (Laughter). MR. HU:-No, Mr. Chairman, I referred to Park Wardens. In U.K. usually he has the power to advise the public to keep the place clean so my question is knitted to that. I haven't gone into a new question. MR. SALES: -Mr. Chairman, may I accommodate Mr. Henry Hu whilst you are deliberating whether he is in or out of order? Anyway, we both read the same magazine from the United Kingdom “Park Administration" and in Hong Kong I have seen members of the staff advising the public how to help with keeping the beaches and picnic areas clean. Whether the Hong Kong public follows the advice or not I cannot say, but it is evident from the litter that is found everywhere that the advice is not taken seriously. But if Mr. Hu wishes to empower our Amenities Assistants to go beyond advising the public, perhaps this matter might be taken up at the next Select Committee when we would be very happy to consider any proposal which Mr. Hu might wish to make. MR. HU:-Mr. Chairman I wish also that this idea could be applied as wide as possible, not only on Hong Kong Island, but also Kowloon or even the New Territories. MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, I am most obliged to my friend Mr. Hu for thinking so much about Kowloon. He can rest assured that it will be tried out first in Kowloon and then applied to Hong Kong Island. (Laughter). MR. BERNACCHI:-Mr. Chairman, is the long-named committee "the Hong Kong Island Advisory Committee for Recreation Develop- ment and Nature Conservation" a Government Advisory Committee, and if so is there a similar advisory Committee for Kowloon? MR. SALES: -Mr. Chairman, first, supplementary questions should be based on the text of the original question, not on the answer unless it is to clarify a position. Secondly, since it concerns Kowloon, I agree with you that we should stretch a point. Certainly there is a counter-part committee for Kowloon and the New Territories. It is for the New Territories, not Kowloon proper, on which the Urban Council is not represented. The Urban Council is only represented on this particular Committee. This is a question of discriminating against the Urban Council when it comes to the New Territories. Page 225Page 226 242

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MRS. ELLIOTT:-Mr. Chairman, we do have block officers, is there any reason why the Block Officers shouldn't check them?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-Mr. Chairman, that is just one of the points that will be covered by my comment "we are looking into ways and means of ensuring more frequent checks".

(5) MR. HENRY H. L. Hu: Mr. Chairman, I think that the Com- missioner for Resettlement needs some breath so may I ask question 5.

Could the Chairman inform the Council whether the set-up of Park Wardens (or any other name) could be considered to keep clean those areas where the public usually frequent for picnic or barbecues?

MR. A. de O. SALES, CHAIRMAN OF THE RECREATION AND AMENITIES SELECT COMMITTEE, replied as follows:-

MR. HU:-May I, through you, Mr. Chairman, thank Mr. SALES for his answer. I borrowed this idea from the set-up in England.

The Park Wardens . .

CHAIRMAN:-Are you asking a supplementary?

MR. HU:-I will come to it. Does Mr. SALES consider that the persons involved in the cleansing of the various spots have power to advise the public to keep the place clean, or does he only have the power to clean the place without the power to advise the public?

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MR. SALES: --Wasn't that a new question? If you are stretching that question to oblige my very great friend Mr. Henry Hu, I hope you will show the same indulgence when the Appointed Members are asking supplementary questions. (Laughter).

MR. HU:-No, Mr. Chairman, I referred to Park Wardens. In U.K. usually he has the power to advise the public to keep the place clean so my question is knitted to that. I haven't gone into a new question.

MR. SALES: -Mr. Chairman, may I accommodate Mr. Henry Hu whilst you are deliberating whether he is in or out of order? Anyway, we both read the same magazine from the United Kingdom “Park Administration" and in Hong Kong I have seen members of the staff advising the public how to help with keeping the beaches and picnic areas clean. Whether the Hong Kong public follows the advice or not I cannot say, but it is evident from the litter that is found everywhere that the advice is not taken seriously. But if Mr. Hu wishes to empower our Amenities Assistants to go beyond advising the public, perhaps this matter might be taken up at the next Select Committee when we would be very happy to consider any proposal which Mr. Hu might wish to make.

MR. HU:-Mr. Chairman I wish also that this idea could be applied as wide as possible, not only on Hong Kong Island, but also Kowloon or even the New Territories.

MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, I am most obliged to my friend Mr. Hu for thinking so much about Kowloon. He can rest assured that it will be tried out first in Kowloon and then applied to Hong Kong Island. (Laughter).

MR. BERNACCHI:-Mr. Chairman, is the long-named committee "the Hong Kong Island Advisory Committee for Recreation Develop- ment and Nature Conservation" a Government Advisory Committee, and if so is there a similar advisory Committee for Kowloon?

MR. SALES: -Mr. Chairman, first, supplementary questions should be based on the text of the original question, not on the answer unless it is to clarify a position. Secondly, since it concerns Kowloon, I agree with you that we should stretch a point. Certainly there is a counter-part committee for Kowloon and the New Territories. It is for the New Territories, not Kowloon proper, on which the Urban Council is not represented. The Urban Council is only represented on this particular Committee. This is a question of discriminating against the Urban Council when it comes to the New Territories.

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