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Requests have been made for sites in the planning area of Tsim Sha Tsui, east of Chatham Road, for the construction of permanent off-street collection points. After their completion it will be possible to get rid of this point altogether. The provision of covered containers for the deposit of refuse in open streets is not practicable due to the size of containers which would be required and the obstruction they would cause. They would also encourage private refuse collectors to dump hours before the collection times.
MR. SIN: I would like to ask a supplementary. In paragraph 2 it gives an idea of the site. Whilst it is true that the site may be situated at the back of the Park Hotel, is it not true that there are multi-storey buildings inside the Circuit itself?
DR. HUANG: Mr. Chairman, actually I used to park my car in that place. I know that place very well. It is at the back of the Park Hotel all right and also opposite multi-storey buildings, not very high up, I think six or seven storey buildings. I don't think the number of inhabitants there is as many as those in twenty storeys.
MR. SIN: Mr. Chairman, paragraph 6, second sentence, "it is not thought that the operation is injurious to health". May I know what is the meaning of the word "Operation". Does it mean the collecting of the refuse or does it refer to the piling and scattering of refuse?
DR. HUANG: I would think that it is referring to the collection of the refuse. Certainly piled up refuse is not a welcome thing in regard to health.
MR. SIN: May I have an answer to my question that the piling and scattering of refuse is injurious to health or detrimental to environmental hygiene?
DR. HUANG: I should think so, piling up of refuse for a long time, but I think that is against the law if they do so, therefore we can prosecute them.
MR. SIN: Mr. Chairman, in the seventh paragraph of page 2 of the answer, it is said that "unfortunately no alternative site in the vicinity can be found to resite the point". Is it not convenient or not practicable to use open space in Chatham Road to resite the point?
CHAIRMAN: It depends, Mr. SIN, on what kind of open space and whose open space it is. I think if there was open space and it was suitable, we would have seized it long before now.
MR. SIN: Well, I take it that all open spaces have been exhausted. I ask the last supplementary; in paragraph 8, covered containers. Would not covered containers control the orderly placing of refuse than placing it in baskets without covers?
CHAIRMAN: This is possible, Mr. SIN, but the problem is to get them to put the lids on the containers when they are, in many cases, overflowing with projection above the top of the bins.
MR. SIN: Mr. Chairman, can we not use trailers?
CHAIRMAN: I don't think so: you are only adding to the obstruction I would say: I think it is better that the present system continues until we can find a better refuse collecting point, Mr. SIN.
MR. SIN: Mr. Chairman, can you say then that baskets would cause less obstruction than trailers?
CHAIRMAN: Again, it depends upon the quantity of baskets naturally.
REPORT BY CHAIRMAN OF THE HEALTH EDUCATION SELECT COMMITTEE ON A CHANGE OF MEMBERSHIP.
MRS. ELLIOTT: Mr. Chairman, in accordance with the proviso to the resolution adopted by this Council at its meeting on 6th April, 1971, I wish to announce a change in the membership of the Health Education Select Committee. The Deputy Director of Government Information Services who serves as a Member of the Health Education Select Committee has suggested that the Chief Information Officer, Mr. Grahame S. BLUNDELL, M.B.E. become a Member of that Committee in his place since he is responsible for the publicity campaigns run by the Select Committee. Mr. BLUNDELL has agreed to become a Member. May I add that the Committee is very happy to accept him as a Member.
MOTIONS.
CHAIRMAN: This is the first day of the 1971 Annual Conventional Debate. The Motion to be debated is "That this Council endorse the Statement of Aims for 1972". (Appendix I). I now call on Mr. BERNACCHI to move the Motion.
MR. B. A. BERNACCHI, moved the following Motion:
"That this Council endorse the Statement of Aims for 1972"
He said: Mr. Chairman, I rise with mixed feelings to propose the motion which you have just read out. I say with mixed feelings for two reasons. Firstly, in a Council of 26 people where no one party has the majority, the Aims and Objects can only be a compromise, that few
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Requests have been made for sites in the planning area of Tsim Sha Tsui, east of Chatham Road, for the construc- tion of permanent off-street collection points. After their completion it will be possible to get rid of this point altogether. The provision of covered containers for the deposit of refuse in open streets is not practicable due to the size of containers which would be required and the obstruction they would cause. They would also encour- age private refuse collectors to dump hours before the col- lection times.
MR. SIN: I would like to ask a supplementary. In paragraph 2 it gives an idea of the site. Whilst it is true that the site may be situated at the back of the Park Hotel, is it not true that there are multi-storey buildings inside the Circuit itself?
DR. HUANG: Mr. Chairman, actually I used to park my car in that place. I know that place very well. It is at the back of the Park Hotel all right and also opposite multi-storey buildings, not very high up, I think six or seven storey buildings. I don't think the number of inhabitants there is as many as those in twenty storeys.
MR. SIN:Mr. Chairman, paragraph 6, second sentence, "it is not thought that the operation is injurious to health". May I know what is the meaning of the word "Operation". Does it mean the collecting of the refuse or does it refer to the piling and scattering of refuse?
DR. HUANG:--I would think that it is referring to the collection of the refuse. Certainly piled up refuse is not a welcome thing in regard to health.
MR. SIN: May I have an answer to my question that the piling and scattering of refuse is injurious to health or detrimental to environ- mental hygiene?
DR. HUANG :—I should think so, piling up of refuse of a long time, but I think that is against the law if they do so, therefore we can prosecute them.
MR. SIN: Mr. Chairman, in the seventh paragraph of page 2 of the answer, it is said that "unfortunately no alternative site in the vicinity can be found to resite the point". Is it not convenient or not practicable to use open space in Chatham Road to resite the point?
CHAIRMAN:-It depends, Mr. SIN, on what kind of open space and whose open space it is. I think if there was open space and it was suitable, we would have seized it long before now.
MR. SIN:-Well, I take it that all open spaces have been exhausted. I ask the last supplementary; in paragraph 8, covered containers.
Would not covered containers control the orderly placing of refuse than placing it in baskets without covers?
CHAIRMAN:-This is possible, Mr. SIN, but the problem is to get them to put the lids on the containers when they are, in many cases, overflowing with projection above the top of the bins.
MR. SIN:Mr. Chairman, can we not use trailers?
CHAIRMAN:-I don't think so: you are only adding to the obstruc- tion I would say: I think it is better that the present system continues until we can find a better refuse collecting point, Mr. SIN.
MR. SIN:--Mr. Chairman, can you say then that baskets would cause less obstruction than trailers?
CHAIRMAN: ---Again, it depends upon the quantity of baskets naturally.
REPORT BY CHAIRMAN OF THE HEALTH EDUCATION SELECT COMMITTEE ON A CHANGE OF MEMBERSHIP.
MRS. ELLIOTT:-Mr. Chairman, in accordance with the proviso to the resolution adopted by this Council at its meeting on 6th April, 1971, I wish to announce a change in the membership of the Health Education Select Committee. The Deputy Director of Government Information Services who serves as a Member of the Health Education Select Committee has suggested that the Chief Information Officer, Mr. Grahame S. BLUNDELL, M.B.E. become a Member of that Committee in his place since he is responsible for the publicity campaigns run by the Select Committee. Mr. BLUNDELL has agreed to become a Member. May I add that the Committee is very happy to accept him as a Member.
MOTIONS.
CHAIRMAN:-This is the first day of the 1971 Annual Conventional Debate. The Motion to be debated is "That this Council endorse the Statement of Aims for 1972". (Appendix I). I now call on Mr. BERNACCHI to move the Motion.
MR. B. A. BERNACCHI, moved the following Motion:-
"That this Council endorse the Statement of Aims for 1972"
He said:--Mr. Chairman, I rise with mixed feelings to propose the motion which you have just read out. I say with mixed feelings for two reasons. Firstly, in a Council of 26 people where no one party has the majority, the Aims and Objects can only be a compromise, that few
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