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MR. KENNETH T. C. Lo, CHAIRMAN OF THE FOOD AND FOOD PREMISES SELECT COMMITTEE, replied as follows:-

Any premises used for the manufacture of bread require a bakery licence from the Council and such a licence also permits the making of cakes, biscuits and similar bakery products on the premises. It has never been the Council's policy to prohibit or otherwise discourage the licensing of small resettlement shops as bakeries, provided that the shop space is adequate to cope with the scale of business, whether the business is wholesale, retail or connected with a restaurant. However, I have to point out that even for a small business, the process of manufacturing bread is not simply using a small oven alone. It also involves the stocking of raw materials, mixing of ingredients and kneading of dough before baking, and storing and distribution of products after baking. Furthermore, when bread is produced it is not only in the form of the usual 1-pound or 1-pound loaves but also in the form of rolls, scones and buns of different varieties. Members will therefore appreciate the need for adequate shop space for this kind of business.

The policy for letting resettlement shops to tenants for carrying on various trades is formulated by the Resettlement Department. Previously a minimum area of 210 sq. ft. was required for bakeries, but experience has shown that bakeries of this size have never operated satisfactorily— they cause heat and ventilation problems and lead to the misuse of the public corridors and open spaces as working and storage areas. In the light of this, the matter has been carefully examined by both the Resettlement Management Select Committee and the Food and Food Premises Select Committee, and at a recent joint meeting of these Committees held on 22nd July, 1970, it was agreed that from both a management and a hygiene point of view, the minimum size of bakeries in resettlement shops should be raised to 400 sq. ft. A concession, however, was made to small bakeries which operate in conjunction with light refreshment restaurants having a shop area of not less than 400 sq. ft. In such cases the minimum area of the bakery room required is only 60 sq. ft. if the bakery products are for consumption on the premises, and 120 sq. ft. if retail sales are also carried on. This new policy does not of course apply to existing licensed premises which will be able to continue operating on the present basis.

I am much obliged to Mr. CHAN for his sympathetic concern over the licensing of bakeries in small resettlement shops, but under the circumstances I am afraid that any lowering of the standards prescribed by the current policy may give rise to management and hygiene problems.

MR. P. F. CHAN:-Mr. Chairman, may I thank Mr. Lo for the reply. I have no supplementaries.

MR. BERNACCHI:-Just one supplementary. The policy for letting resettlement shops to tenants for carrying on various trades is formulated by the Resettlement Department. Surely, it is by this Council, with the advice of the Resettlement Department?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: ---That is correct.

CHAIRMAN: --I think we all accept that.

(6) MRS. E. ELLIOTT asked the following question:-

(a) Is it the policy of the Urban Council to resite hawkers when clearance has to take place?

(b) Why has no firm promise been made to everyone of the cooked food hawkers in San Po Kong?

(c) In San Po Kong there are several playgrounds. As this is an industrial area, why has no thought been given to the repeated request for cooked food stalls for the workers instead of new playground?

MR. HILTON CHEONG-LEEN, CHAIRMAN OF THE HAWKER POLICY SELECT COMMITTEE, replied as follows:

(a) It is the policy of the Urban Council to resite legal hawkers when clearances have to take place, and alternative sites are arranged for those hawkers who sell permitted commodities and who are licensed. In addition, in certain circumstances, and subject to the Hawker Management Select Committee's approval on the issuing of appropriate licences, offers of hawker sites may also be made to operators of other businesses who are not catered for by Resettlement policies.

(b) In the clearance of squatters on the site of the proposed Kai Tak (East) Playground in San Po Kong, the people involved were not basically hawkers and were not operating legitimate Cooked Food Stalls. Nevertheless, in

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142 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL Page 81 of 241 143 MR. KENNETH T. C. Lo, CHAIRMAN OF THE FOOD AND FOOD PREMISES SELECT COMMITTEE, replied as follows:- Any premises used for the manufacture of bread require a bakery licence from the Council and such a licence also permits the making of cakes, biscuits and similar bakery products on the premises. It has never been the Council's policy to prohibit or otherwise discourage the licensing of small resettlement shops as bakeries, provided that the shop space is adequate to cope with the scale of business, whether the business is wholesale, retail or connected with a restaurant. However, I have to point out that even for a small business, the process of manufacturing bread is not simply using a small oven alone. It also involves the stocking of raw materials, mixing of ingredients and kneading of dough before baking, and storing and distribution of products after baking. Furthermore, when bread is produced it is not only in the form of the usual 1-pound or 1-pound loaves but also in the form of rolls, scones and buns of different varieties. Members will therefore appreciate the need for adequate shop space for this kind of business. The policy for letting resettlement shops to tenants for carrying on various trades is formulated by the Resettlement Department. Previously a minimum area of 210 sq. ft. was required for bakeries, but experience has shown that bakeries of this size have never operated satisfactorily— they cause heat and ventilation problems and lead to the misuse of the public corridors and open spaces as working and storage areas. In the light of this, the matter has been carefully examined by both the Resettlement Management Select Committee and the Food and Food Premises Select Committee, and at a recent joint meeting of these Committees held on 22nd July, 1970, it was agreed that from both a management and a hygiene point of view, the minimum size of bakeries in resettlement shops should be raised to 400 sq. ft. A concession, however, was made to small bakeries which operate in conjunction with light refreshment restaurants having a shop area of not less than 400 sq. ft. In such cases the minimum area of the bakery room required is only 60 sq. ft. if the bakery products are for consumption on the premises, and 120 sq. ft. if retail sales are also carried on. This new policy does not of course apply to existing licensed premises which will be able to continue operating on the present basis. I am much obliged to Mr. CHAN for his sympathetic concern over the licensing of bakeries in small resettlement shops, but under the circumstances I am afraid that any lowering of the standards prescribed by the current policy may give rise to management and hygiene problems. MR. P. F. CHAN:-Mr. Chairman, may I thank Mr. Lo for the reply. I have no supplementaries. MR. BERNACCHI:-Just one supplementary. The policy for letting resettlement shops to tenants for carrying on various trades is formulated by the Resettlement Department. Surely, it is by this Council, with the advice of the Resettlement Department? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: ---That is correct. CHAIRMAN: --I think we all accept that. (6) MRS. E. ELLIOTT asked the following question:- (a) Is it the policy of the Urban Council to resite hawkers when clearance has to take place? (b) Why has no firm promise been made to everyone of the cooked food hawkers in San Po Kong? (c) In San Po Kong there are several playgrounds. As this is an industrial area, why has no thought been given to the repeated request for cooked food stalls for the workers instead of new playground? MR. HILTON CHEONG-LEEN, CHAIRMAN OF THE HAWKER POLICY SELECT COMMITTEE, replied as follows: (a) It is the policy of the Urban Council to resite legal hawkers when clearances have to take place, and alternative sites are arranged for those hawkers who sell permitted commodities and who are licensed. In addition, in certain circumstances, and subject to the Hawker Management Select Committee's approval on the issuing of appropriate licences, offers of hawker sites may also be made to operators of other businesses who are not catered for by Resettlement policies. (b) In the clearance of squatters on the site of the proposed Kai Tak (East) Playground in San Po Kong, the people involved were not basically hawkers and were not operating legitimate Cooked Food Stalls. Nevertheless, in

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142 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL Page 81 of 241 143 MR. KENNETH T. C. Lo, CHAIRMAN OF THE FOOD AND FOOD PREMISES SELECT COMMITTEE, replied as follows:- Any premises used for the manufacture of bread require a bakery licence from the Council and such a licence also permits the making of cakes, biscuits and similar bakery products on the premises. It has never been the Council's policy to prohibit or otherwise discourage the licensing of small resettlement shops as bakeries, provided that the shop space is adequate to cope with the scale of business, whether the business is wholesale, retail or con- nected with a restaurant. However, I have to point out that even for a small business, the process of manufactur- ing bread is not simply using a small oven alone. It also involves the stocking of raw materials, mixing of ingredients and kneading of dough before baking, and storing and distribution of products after baking. Furthermore, when bread is produced it is not only in the form of the usual 1-pound or 1-pound loaves but also in the form of rolls, scones and buns of different varieties. Members will therefore appreciate the need for adequate shop space for this kind of business. The policy for letting resettlement shops to tenants for carry- ing on various trades is formulated by the Resettlement Department. Previously a minimum area of 210 sq. ft. was required for bakeries, but experience has shown that bakeries of this size have never operated satisfactorily— they cause heat and ventilation problems and lead to the misuse of the public corridors and open spaces as working and storage areas. In the light of this, the matter has been carefully examined by both the Resettlement Management Select Committee and the Food and Food Premises Select Committee, and at a recent joint meeting of these Committees held on 22nd July, 1970, it was agreed that from both a management and a hygiene point of view, the minimum size of bakeries in resettlement shops should be raised to 400 sq. ft. A concession, how- ever, was made to small bakeries which operate in con- junction with light refreshment restaurants having a shop area of not less than 400 sq. ft. In such cases the min- imum area of the bakery room required is only 60 sq. ft. if the bakery products are for consumption on the prem- ises, and 120 sq. ft. if retail sales are also carried on. This new policy does not of course apply to existing licensed premises which will be able to continue operating on the present basis. I am much obliged to Mr. CHAN for his sympathetic concern over the licensing of bakeries in small resettlement shops, but under the circumstances I am afraid that any lowering of the standards prescribed by the current policy may give rise to management and hygiene problems. MR. P. F. CHAN:-Mr. Chairman, may I thank Mr. Lo for the reply. I have no supplementaries. MR. BERNACCHI:-Just one supplementary. The policy for letting resettlement shops to tenants for carrying on various trades is formulat- ed by the Resettlement Department. Surely, it is by this Council, with the advice of the Resettlement Department? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: ---That is correct. CHAIRMAN: --I think we all accept that. (6) MRS. E. ELLIOTT asked the following question:- (a) Is it the policy of the Urban Council to resite hawkers when clearance has to take place? (b) Why has no firm promise been made to everyone of the cooked food hawkers in San Po Kong? (c) In San Po Kong there are several playgrounds. As this is an industrial area, why has no thought been given to the repeated request for cooked food stalls for the workers instead of new playground? MR. HILTON CHEONG-LEEN, CHAIRMAN OF THE HAWKER POLICY SELECT COMMITTEE, replied as follows: (a) It is the policy of the Urban Council to resite legal hawkers when clearances have to take place, and alter- native sites are arranged for those hawkers who sell per- mitted commodities and who are licensed. In addition, in certain circumstances, and subject to the Hawker Man- agement Select Committee's approval on the issuing of appropriate licences, offers of hawker sites may also be made to operators of other businesses who are not catered for by Resettlement policies. (b) In the clearance of squatters on the site of the proposed Kai Tak (East) Playground in San Po Kong, the people involved were not basically hawkers and were not operating legitimate Cooked Food Stalls. Nevertheless, in

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MR. KENNETH T. C. Lo, CHAIRMAN OF THE FOOD AND FOOD PREMISES SELECT COMMITTEE, replied as follows:-

Any premises used for the manufacture of bread require a bakery licence from the Council and such a licence also permits the making of cakes, biscuits and similar bakery products on the premises. It has never been the Council's policy to prohibit or otherwise discourage the licensing of small resettlement shops as bakeries, provided that the shop space is adequate to cope with the scale of business, whether the business is wholesale, retail or con- nected with a restaurant. However, I have to point out that even for a small business, the process of manufactur- ing bread is not simply using a small oven alone. It also involves the stocking of raw materials, mixing of ingredients and kneading of dough before baking, and storing and distribution of products after baking. Furthermore, when bread is produced it is not only in the form of the usual 1-pound or 1-pound loaves but also in the form of rolls, scones and buns of different varieties. Members will therefore appreciate the need for adequate shop space for this kind of business.

The policy for letting resettlement shops to tenants for carry- ing on various trades is formulated by the Resettlement Department. Previously a minimum area of 210 sq. ft. was required for bakeries, but experience has shown that bakeries of this size have never operated satisfactorily— they cause heat and ventilation problems and lead to the misuse of the public corridors and open spaces as working and storage areas. In the light of this, the matter has been carefully examined by both the Resettlement Management Select Committee and the Food and Food Premises Select Committee, and at a recent joint meeting of these Committees held on 22nd July, 1970, it was agreed that from both a management and a hygiene point of view, the minimum size of bakeries in resettlement shops should be raised to 400 sq. ft. A concession, how- ever, was made to small bakeries which operate in con- junction with light refreshment restaurants having a shop area of not less than 400 sq. ft. In such cases the min- imum area of the bakery room required is only 60 sq. ft. if the bakery products are for consumption on the prem- ises, and 120 sq. ft. if retail sales are also carried on. This new policy does not of course apply to existing licensed premises which will be able to continue operating on the present basis.

MR. P. F. CHAN:-Mr. Chairman, may I thank Mr. Lo for the reply. I have no supplementaries.

MR. BERNACCHI:-Just one supplementary. The policy for letting resettlement shops to tenants for carrying on various trades is formulat- ed by the Resettlement Department. Surely, it is by this Council, with the advice of the Resettlement Department?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: ---That is correct.

CHAIRMAN: --I think we all accept that.

(6) MRS. E. ELLIOTT asked the following question:-

(a) Is it the policy of the Urban Council to resite hawkers

when clearance has to take place?

(b) Why has no firm promise been made to everyone of the

cooked food hawkers in San Po Kong?

MR. HILTON CHEONG-LEEN, CHAIRMAN OF THE HAWKER POLICY SELECT COMMITTEE, replied as follows:

(a) It is the policy of the Urban Council to resite legal hawkers when clearances have to take place, and alter- native sites are arranged for those hawkers who sell per- mitted commodities and who are licensed. In addition, in certain circumstances, and subject to the Hawker Man- agement Select Committee's approval on the issuing of appropriate licences, offers of hawker sites may also be made to operators of other businesses who are not catered for by Resettlement policies.

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