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Temporary Playground into a permanent recreation area, and it is understood that contract documents on this project are in hand. Members will no doubt be aware that the Lei Cheng Uk swimming pool, the construction of which is far-advanced, is also situated in this area, where the population is approximately 530,000.

Current Public Works Department lay-out plans provide for a further 27.96 acres of open space. In addition, the Town Planning Board proposes to zone an area of 30 acres for development as open space and community facilities on the Cheung Sha Wan reclamation, but the exact proportion of this to be made available as open space (including public open space) is not yet known.

MR. SALES: Sir, has the Director of Public Works any suggestion for the development of even more open space in the area which I have outlined, as well as the adjoining areas? Is there no possibility strictly confined to that district?

CHAIRMAN: Strictly speaking, Mr. SALES, this is out of order. You were dealing with a particular area in your original question. Now you are asking about something outside that area.

MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, may I point out to you question 2(c). I have just thought that it might be more helpful to the Government to enlarge the scope for my colleague, the Director of Public Works. (Laughter).

DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS: Rising to the bait, Mr. Chairman, I do hope it will be possible to improve the facilities in adjacent areas. Within this specific area it may be a little difficult. But we are embarking upon the extension of Kai Tak runway. This involves a tremendous amount of site formation, and in the area south of Lung Cheung Road I hope we will be able to develop quite a large area for open space.

MR. SALES: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Is the Director of Public Works aware of a proposal in my Select Committee for that particular spot to be developed for go-karting and other facilities; the site on the hillside above Lai Chi Kok Road?

DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS: No, Sir, I am not.

MR. SALES: Sir, as the Director of Public Works admitted my question as to adjacent areas, has he also in mind the 16 acres which remain in Whitfield Barracks, for development as open space as this Council would like to have?

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DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS: I don't think, Sir, that the statement that 16 acres remain available for development as open space is strictly correct, because it is not reserved for open space.

MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, I introduced a clause that the Council would like to have an area of 16 acres to be developed. Having regard to the tremendous fortune that the Government is making through land sales, could the Government not afford then to surrender its rights to the 16 acres so that the public might use that area also for much needed recreational facilities?

CHAIRMAN: Mr. SALES, I have given you a fair amount of scope this afternoon, but I am not prepared to admit that question.

MR. SALES: Would you then, Sir, put that question on our behalf to the Colonial Secretary and let us have a written reply in my Select Committee?

CHAIRMAN: I will put the question to the Secretariat, Mr. SALES.

MR. SALES: Thank you.

MR. BERNACCHI: A supplementary, Mr. Chairman. You say that in addition the Town Planning Board proposes to zone an area of 30 acres for development as open space and community facilities on the Cheung Sha Wan reclamation. When, approximately, will the Town Planning Board's plans become realities?

CHAIRMAN: I would need notice of that question, Mr. BERNACCHI.

MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, when do you expect the Lei Cheng Uk swimming pool to be ready? It's the last sentence of your second paragraph, so that is perfectly in order.

CHAIRMAN: Later this year, the exact date I can't give, Mr. SALES. I am sure you yourself are probably better informed on this than I am.

MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, I am not, otherwise the question would not have been put. Is this Council to conclude that the swimming pool will be ready for the winter?

CHAIRMAN: I am going to rule that question out of order again, Mr. SALES, because we must try to keep to the original question as far as we can, and not permit debate on subjects not in that context.

MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, surely no debate was ever contemplated by any Unofficial Member. You are using that as a pretext for ruling a perfectly normal question out of order. Nevertheless, to reciprocate your gesture of goodwill, I will accept that. (Laughter).

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Page 43 of 241 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL Temporary Playground into a permanent recreation area, and it is understood that contract documents on this project are in hand. Members will no doubt be aware that the Lei Cheng Uk swimming pool, the construction of which is far-advanced, is also situated in this area, where the population is approximately 530,000. Current Public Works Department lay-out plans provide for a further 27.96 acres of open space. In addition, the Town Planning Board proposes to zone an area of 30 acres for development as open space and community facilities on the Cheung Sha Wan reclamation, but the exact proportion of this to be made available as open space (including public open space) is not yet known. MR. SALES: Sir, has the Director of Public Works any suggestion for the development of even more open space in the area which I have outlined, as well as the adjoining areas? Is there no possibility strictly confined to that district? CHAIRMAN: Strictly speaking, Mr. SALES, this is out of order. You were dealing with a particular area in your original question. Now you are asking about something outside that area. MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, may I point out to you question 2(c). I have just thought that it might be more helpful to the Government to enlarge the scope for my colleague, the Director of Public Works. (Laughter). DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS: Rising to the bait, Mr. Chairman, I do hope it will be possible to improve the facilities in adjacent areas. Within this specific area it may be a little difficult. But we are embarking upon the extension of Kai Tak runway. This involves a tremendous amount of site formation, and in the area south of Lung Cheung Road I hope we will be able to develop quite a large area for open space. MR. SALES: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Is the Director of Public Works aware of a proposal in my Select Committee for that particular spot to be developed for go-karting and other facilities; the site on the hillside above Lai Chi Kok Road? DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS: No, Sir, I am not. MR. SALES: Sir, as the Director of Public Works admitted my question as to adjacent areas, has he also in mind the 16 acres which remain in Whitfield Barracks, for development as open space as this Council would like to have? HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS: I don't think, Sir, that the statement that 16 acres remain available for development as open space is strictly correct, because it is not reserved for open space. MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, I introduced a clause that the Council would like to have an area of 16 acres to be developed. Having regard to the tremendous fortune that the Government is making through land sales, could the Government not afford then to surrender its rights to the 16 acres so that the public might use that area also for much needed recreational facilities? CHAIRMAN: Mr. SALES, I have given you a fair amount of scope this afternoon, but I am not prepared to admit that question. MR. SALES: Would you then, Sir, put that question on our behalf to the Colonial Secretary and let us have a written reply in my Select Committee? CHAIRMAN: I will put the question to the Secretariat, Mr. SALES. MR. SALES: Thank you. MR. BERNACCHI: A supplementary, Mr. Chairman. You say that in addition the Town Planning Board proposes to zone an area of 30 acres for development as open space and community facilities on the Cheung Sha Wan reclamation. When, approximately, will the Town Planning Board's plans become realities? CHAIRMAN: I would need notice of that question, Mr. BERNACCHI. MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, when do you expect the Lei Cheng Uk swimming pool to be ready? It's the last sentence of your second paragraph, so that is perfectly in order. CHAIRMAN: Later this year, the exact date I can't give, Mr. SALES. I am sure you yourself are probably better informed on this than I am. MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, I am not, otherwise the question would not have been put. Is this Council to conclude that the swimming pool will be ready for the winter? CHAIRMAN: I am going to rule that question out of order again, Mr. SALES, because we must try to keep to the original question as far as we can, and not permit debate on subjects not in that context. MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, surely no debate was ever contemplated by any Unofficial Member. You are using that as a pretext for ruling a perfectly normal question out of order. Nevertheless, to reciprocate your gesture of goodwill, I will accept that. (Laughter). 68 69 41' Pa

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41' Pa Page 43 of 241 68 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL Temporary Playground into a permanent recreation area, and it is understood that contract documents on this proj- ect are in hand. Members will no doubt be aware that the Lei Cheng Uk swimming pool, the construction of which is far-advanced, is also situated in this area, where the population is approximately 530,000. Current Public Works Department lay-out plans provide for a further 27.96 acres of open space. In addition, the Town Planning Board proposes to zone an area of 30 acres for development as open space and community facilities on the Cheung Sha Wan reclamation, but the exact proportion of this to be made available as open space (including public open space) is not yet known. MR. SALES: Sir, has the Director of Public Works any suggestion for the development of even more open space in the area which I have outlined, as well as the adjoining areas? Is there no possibility strictly confined to that district? CHAIRMAN:--Strictly speaking, Mr. SALES, this is out of order. You were dealing with a particular area in your original question. Now you are asking about something outside that area. MR. SALES: -Mr. Chairman, may I point out to you question 2(c). I have just thought that it might be more helpful to the Govern- ment to enlarge the scope for my colleague, the Director of Public Works. (Laughter). DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS:-Rising to the bait, Mr. Chairman, I do hope it will be possible to improve the facilities in adjacent areas. Within this specific area it may be a little difficult. But we are em- barking upon the extension of Kai Tak runway. This involves a tremendous amount of site formation, and in the area south of Lung Cheung Road I hope we will be able to develop quite a large area for open space. MR. SALES: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Is the Director of Public Works aware of a proposal in my Select Committee for that particular spot to be developed for go-karting and other facilities; the site on the hillside above Lai Chi Kok Road? DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS: —No, Sir, I am not. MR. SALES-Sir, as the Director of Public Works admitted my question as to adjacent areas, has he also in mind the 16 acres which remain in Whitfield Barracks, for development as open space as this Council would like to have? HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 69 DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS: -I don't think, Sir, that the statement that 16 acres remain available for development as open space is strictly correct, because it is not reserved for open space. MR. SALES: -Mr. Chairman, I introduced a clause that the Council would like to have an area of 16 acres to be developed. Having regard to the tremendous fortune that the Government is making through land sales, could the Government not afford then to surrender its rights to the 16 acres so that the public might use that area also for much needed recreational facilities? CHAIRMAN:-Mr. SALES, I have given you a fair amount of scope this afternoon, but I am not prepared to admit that question. MR. SALES: ---Would you then, Sir, put that question on our behalf to the Colonial Secretary and let us have a written reply in my Select Committee? CHAIRMAN: -I will put the question to the Secretariat, Mr. SALES. MR. SALES:-Thank you. MR. BERNACCHI:-A supplementary, Mr. Chairman. You say that in addition the Town Planning Board proposes to zone an area of 30 acres for development as open space and community facilities on the Cheung Sha Wan reclamation. When, approximately, will the Town Planning Board's plans become realities? CHAIRMAN: -I would need notice of that question, Mr. BERNACCHI. MR. SALES: -Mr. Chairman, when do you expect the Lei Cheng Uk swimming pool to be ready? It's the last sentence of your second paragraph, so that is perfectly in order. CHAIRMAN:-Later this year, the exact date I can't give, Mr. SALES. I am sure you yourself are probably better informed on this than I am. MR. SALES: -Mr. Chairman, I am not, otherwise the question would not have been put. Is this Council to conclude that the swimming pool will be ready for the winter? CHAIRMAN:-I am going to rule that question out of order again, Mr. SALES, because we must try to keep to the original question as far as we can, and not permit debate on subjects not in that context. MR. SALES: -Mr. Chairman, surely no debate was ever con- templated by any Unofficial Member. You are using that as a pretext for ruling a perfectly normal question out of order. Nevertheless, to reciprocate your gesture of goodwill, I will accept that. (Laughter).

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Temporary Playground into a permanent recreation area, and it is understood that contract documents on this proj- ect are in hand. Members will no doubt be aware that the Lei Cheng Uk swimming pool, the construction of which is far-advanced, is also situated in this area, where the population is approximately 530,000.

CHAIRMAN:--Strictly speaking, Mr. SALES, this is out of order. You were dealing with a particular area in your original question. Now you are asking about something outside that area.

MR. SALES: -Mr. Chairman, may I point out to you question 2(c). I have just thought that it might be more helpful to the Govern- ment to enlarge the scope for my colleague, the Director of Public Works. (Laughter).

DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS:-Rising to the bait, Mr. Chairman, I do hope it will be possible to improve the facilities in adjacent areas. Within this specific area it may be a little difficult. But we are em- barking upon the extension of Kai Tak runway. This involves a tremendous amount of site formation, and in the area south of Lung Cheung Road I hope we will be able to develop quite a large area for open space.

DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS: —No, Sir, I am not.

MR. SALES-Sir, as the Director of Public Works admitted my question as to adjacent areas, has he also in mind the 16 acres which remain in Whitfield Barracks, for development as open space as this Council would like to have?

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DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS: -I don't think, Sir, that the statement that 16 acres remain available for development as open space is strictly correct, because it is not reserved for open space.

MR. SALES: -Mr. Chairman, I introduced a clause that the Council would like to have an area of 16 acres to be developed. Having regard to the tremendous fortune that the Government is making through land sales, could the Government not afford then to surrender its rights to the 16 acres so that the public might use that area also for much needed recreational facilities?

CHAIRMAN:-Mr. SALES, I have given you a fair amount of scope this afternoon, but I am not prepared to admit that question.

MR. SALES: ---Would you then, Sir, put that question on our behalf to the Colonial Secretary and let us have a written reply in my Select Committee?

CHAIRMAN: -I will put the question to the Secretariat, Mr. SALES.

MR. SALES:-Thank you.

MR. BERNACCHI:-A supplementary, Mr. Chairman. You say that in addition the Town Planning Board proposes to zone an area of 30 acres for development as open space and community facilities on the Cheung Sha Wan reclamation. When, approximately, will the Town Planning Board's plans become realities?

CHAIRMAN: -I would need notice of that question, Mr. BERNACCHI.

MR. SALES: -Mr. Chairman, when do you expect the Lei Cheng Uk swimming pool to be ready? It's the last sentence of your second paragraph, so that is perfectly in order.

CHAIRMAN:-Later this year, the exact date I can't give, Mr. SALES. I am sure you yourself are probably better informed on this than I am.

MR. SALES: -Mr. Chairman, I am not, otherwise the question would not have been put. Is this Council to conclude that the swimming pool will be ready for the winter?

CHAIRMAN:-I am going to rule that question out of order again, Mr. SALES, because we must try to keep to the original question as far as we can, and not permit debate on subjects not in that context.

MR. SALES: -Mr. Chairman, surely no debate was ever con- templated by any Unofficial Member. You are using that as a pretext for ruling a perfectly normal question out of order. Nevertheless, to reciprocate your gesture of goodwill, I will accept that. (Laughter).

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