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If the project is approved by the Governor in Council and funds voted by the Finance Committee of the Legislative Council, the work of conversion will be undertaken by the Public Works Department. It is not possible to anticipate whether the proposal will be approved, less so when work will be started.

The proposed scheme is a pilot scheme. It is too early to say whether the scheme will be extended.

MR. HU:- Mr. Chairman, is it proper for me to ask one supplementary? (Laughter). The Commissioner for Resettlement spoke about the Government Departments concerned. Which are those Government Departments?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- Well, at this stage it has been discussed between my own department, the Public Works Department and by the Finance Branch of the Secretariat. This scheme could lead to a wholesale conversion of perhaps 240 Mark II blocks to the order of $40 million, correct me if I am wrong, may be it is in the order of $400 million. For a commitment as heavy as that, I am pretty sure that not only the two departments I mentioned just now will be interested, but also other big departments. We will need more schools, increase of funds for more public assistance schemes, or we might need to build more universities or technical colleges and other services required for the community. For all this, I am pretty sure that not only my Department and the two departments mentioned just now will be concerned, but many other departments of the Government.

MR. HU:- I would ask another supplementary if I may. When, if you Mr. Commissioner are in a position to answer this question, can you put your recommendation to the Colonial Secretariat?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- I have already done so, Sir.

MR. HU:- When?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- Two days ago, Sir.

MR. HU:- You have already forwarded the recommendation? But you said that when there is an agreed recommendation, the recommendation will be processed by the Colonial Secretariat.

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- Agreed recommendation of several departments. As far as my own department is concerned I have already forwarded my recommendation.

MR. HU:- When will that recommendation, that is to say to build, rebuild these blocks, be submitted to the Colonial Secretariat, when?

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COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- I have said I have already submitted my own recommendation, I don't know about any other department.

MR. HU:- So, this is still very much in the air? Is that the position?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- I am afraid so, Sir.

MR. HU:- I can only say, Mr. Chairman, that this scheme is very attractive indeed as the Commissioner for Resettlement has said. We unanimously give our very strong support to it. There are other people who are also very interested. I only say that if these schemes are presented to us to discuss, we would certainly wish them to be carried out.

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- So would I, and so would the Housing Board.

MR. HU:- I would say that if as the Commissioner said, he has great doubts about this scheme, then, I do not think that it should be presented to us for discussion or approval.

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- I do not recall my using the word "doubts". Certainly not "great doubts”.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:- Has there been any discussion between the Resettlement Department and the Housing Board, or between the Housing Board and any other department, as to who will manage these reconverted and rebuilt blocks after they have been built?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- The subject has, in fact, been discussed.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:- Is it still under discussion or has there been a tentative conclusion arrived at?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- Certain recommendations have been made.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:- What are those recommendations?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- I do not want to prejudice the position of another Board, Sir.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:- If it is at all possible, could the Commissioner provide this information to me orally or in writing later on?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- I will be glad to do so, Sir.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:- Thank you.

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HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL If the project is approved by the Governor in Council and funds voted by the Finance Committee of the Legislative Council, the work of conversion will be undertaken by the Public Works Department. It is not possible to anticipate whether the proposal will be approved, less so when work will be started. The proposed scheme is a pilot scheme. It is too early to say whether the scheme will be extended. MR. HU:- Mr. Chairman, is it proper for me to ask one supplementary? (Laughter). The Commissioner for Resettlement spoke about the Government Departments concerned. Which are those Government Departments? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- Well, at this stage it has been discussed between my own department, the Public Works Department and by the Finance Branch of the Secretariat. This scheme could lead to a wholesale conversion of perhaps 240 Mark II blocks to the order of $40 million, correct me if I am wrong, may be it is in the order of $400 million. For a commitment as heavy as that, I am pretty sure that not only the two departments I mentioned just now will be interested, but also other big departments. We will need more schools, increase of funds for more public assistance schemes, or we might need to build more universities or technical colleges and other services required for the community. For all this, I am pretty sure that not only my Department and the two departments mentioned just now will be concerned, but many other departments of the Government. MR. HU:- I would ask another supplementary if I may. When, if you Mr. Commissioner are in a position to answer this question, can you put your recommendation to the Colonial Secretariat? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- I have already done so, Sir. MR. HU:- When? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- Two days ago, Sir. MR. HU:- You have already forwarded the recommendation? But you said that when there is an agreed recommendation, the recommendation will be processed by the Colonial Secretariat. COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- Agreed recommendation of several departments. As far as my own department is concerned I have already forwarded my recommendation. MR. HU:- When will that recommendation, that is to say to build, rebuild these blocks, be submitted to the Colonial Secretariat, when? HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- I have said I have already submitted my own recommendation, I don't know about any other department. MR. HU:- So, this is still very much in the air? Is that the position? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- I am afraid so, Sir. MR. HU:- I can only say, Mr. Chairman, that this scheme is very attractive indeed as the Commissioner for Resettlement has said. We unanimously give our very strong support to it. There are other people who are also very interested. I only say that if these schemes are presented to us to discuss, we would certainly wish them to be carried out. COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- So would I, and so would the Housing Board. MR. HU:- I would say that if as the Commissioner said, he has great doubts about this scheme, then, I do not think that it should be presented to us for discussion or approval. COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- I do not recall my using the word "doubts". Certainly not "great doubts”. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:- Has there been any discussion between the Resettlement Department and the Housing Board, or between the Housing Board and any other department, as to who will manage these reconverted and rebuilt blocks after they have been built? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- The subject has, in fact, been discussed. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:- Is it still under discussion or has there been a tentative conclusion arrived at? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- Certain recommendations have been made. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:- What are those recommendations? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- I do not want to prejudice the position of another Board, Sir. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:- If it is at all possible, could the Commissioner provide this information to me orally or in writing later on? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- I will be glad to do so, Sir. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:- Thank you. Page 239 of 24

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1 VI 241 I Page 238 01 24 454 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL If the project is approved by the Governor in Council and funds voted by the Finance Committee of the Legislative Council, the work of conversion will be undertaken by the Public Works Department. It is not possible to anticipate whether the proposal will be approved, less so when work will be started. The proposed scheme is a pilot scheme. It is too early to say whether the scheme will be extended. MR. HU:-Mr. Chairman, is it proper for me to ask one supple- mentary? (Laughter). The Commissioner for Resettlement spoke about the Government Departments concerned. Which are those Government Departments? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-Well, at this stage it has been discussed between my own department, the Public Works Depart- ment and by the Finance Branch of the Secretariat. This scheme could lead to a wholesale conversion of perhaps 240 Mark II blocks to the order of $40 million, correct me if I am wrong, may be it is in the order of $400 million. For a commitment as heavy as that, I am pretty sure that not only the two departments I mentioned just now will be interested, but also other big departments. We will need more schools, increase of funds for more public assistance schemes, or we might need to build more universities or technical colleges and other services required for the community. For all this, I am pretty sure that not only my Department and the two departments mentioned just now will be concerned, but many other departments of the Government. MR. HU:-I would ask another supplementary if I may. When, if you Mr. Commissioner are in a position to answer this question, can you put your recommendation to the Colonial Secretariat? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-I have already done so, Sir. MR. HU:--When? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:--Two days ago, Sir. MR. HU: You have already forwarded the recommendation? But you said that when there is an agreed recommendation, the re- commendation will be processed by the Colonial Secretariat. COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: --Agreed recommendation of several departments. As far as my own department is concerned I have already forwarded my recommendation. MR. HU:-When will that recommendation, that is to say to build, rebuild these blocks, be submitted to the Colonial Secretariat, when? HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 455 COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-I have said I have already submitted my own recommendation, I don't know about any other department. MR. HU: So, this is still very much in the air? Is that the position? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:---I am afraid so, Sir. MR. HU:-I can only say, Mr. Chairman, that this scheme is very attractive indeed as the Commissioner for Resettlement has said. We unanimously give our very strong support to it. There are other people who are also very interested. I only say that if these schemes are presented to us to discuss, we would certainly wish them to be carried out. COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: So would I, and so would the Housing Board. MR. HU:-I would say that if as the Commissioner said, he has great doubts about this scheme, then, I do not think that it should be presented to us for discussion or approval. COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:--I do not recall my using the word "doubts". Certainly not "great doubts”. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Has there been any discussion between the Resettlement Department and the Housing Board, or between the Hous- ing Board and any other department, as to who will manage these reconverted and rebuilt blocks after they have been built? COMMISSIONER for ResettlEMENT:-The subject has, in fact, been discussed. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Is it still under discussion or has there been a tentative conclusion arrived at? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: have been made. Certain recommendations MR. CHEONG-LEEN: -What are those recommendations? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:--I do not want to prejudice the position of another Board, Sir. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-If it is at all possible, could the Commissioner provide this information to me orally or in writing later on? COMMISSIONER for ResettlEMENT:--I will be glad to do so, Sir. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Thank you. age 238 of 24

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The proposed scheme is a pilot scheme. It is too early to

say whether the scheme will be extended.

MR. HU:-Mr. Chairman, is it proper for me to ask one supple- mentary? (Laughter). The Commissioner for Resettlement spoke about the Government Departments concerned. Which are those Government Departments?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-Well, at this stage it has been discussed between my own department, the Public Works Depart- ment and by the Finance Branch of the Secretariat. This scheme could lead to a wholesale conversion of perhaps 240 Mark II blocks to the order of $40 million, correct me if I am wrong, may be it is in the order of $400 million. For a commitment as heavy as that, I am pretty sure that not only the two departments I mentioned just now will be interested, but also other big departments. We will need more schools, increase of funds for more public assistance schemes, or we might need to build more universities or technical colleges and other services required for the community. For all this, I am pretty sure that not only my Department and the two departments mentioned just now will be concerned, but many other departments of the Government.

MR. HU:-I would ask another supplementary if I may. When, if you Mr. Commissioner are in a position to answer this question, can you put your recommendation to the Colonial Secretariat?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-I have already done so, Sir.

MR. HU:--When?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:--Two days ago, Sir.

MR. HU: You have already forwarded the recommendation? But you said that when there is an agreed recommendation, the re- commendation will be processed by the Colonial Secretariat.

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: --Agreed recommendation of several departments. As far as my own department is concerned I have already forwarded my recommendation.

MR. HU:-When will that recommendation, that is to say to build, rebuild these blocks, be submitted to the Colonial Secretariat, when?

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455

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-I have said I have already submitted my own recommendation, I don't know about any other department.

MR. HU: So, this is still very much in the air? Is that the position?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:---I am afraid so, Sir.

MR. HU:-I can only say, Mr. Chairman, that this scheme is very attractive indeed as the Commissioner for Resettlement has said. We unanimously give our very strong support to it. There are other people who are also very interested. I only say that if these schemes are presented to us to discuss, we would certainly wish them to be carried

out.

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: So would I, and so would the Housing Board.

MR. HU:-I would say that if as the Commissioner said, he has great doubts about this scheme, then, I do not think that it should be presented to us for discussion or approval.

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:--I do not recall my using the word "doubts". Certainly not "great doubts”.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Has there been any discussion between the Resettlement Department and the Housing Board, or between the Hous- ing Board and any other department, as to who will manage these reconverted and rebuilt blocks after they have been built?

COMMISSIONER for ResettlEMENT:-The subject has, in fact, been

discussed.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Is it still under discussion or has there been a tentative conclusion arrived at?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:

have been made.

Certain recommendations

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: -What are those recommendations?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:--I do not want to prejudice the position of another Board, Sir.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-If it is at all possible, could the Commissioner provide this information to me orally or in writing later on?

COMMISSIONER for ResettlEMENT:--I will be glad to do so, Sir.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Thank you.

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