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MR. LOBO:--I was there too. I was not the Chairman then, but I think the matter concerns availability of manpower perhaps.

MRS. ELLIOTT:--Mr. Chairman, may I ask if the Chairman of the Committee is aware that very many residents of the area have complained of being unable to move across the street?

MR. LOBO:--I am aware of that; I too have complained.

MR. HU: Mr. Chairman, may I ask one question? Is there any plan to build a market in the neighbourhood of Marble Road in order to move all the hawkers into the market?

MR. LOBO:--Mr. Chairman, this concerns markets.

CHAIRMAN:--It is hardly in the context of the question. If Mr. LOBO has the information available well and good. If not, perhaps he could let you know later on.

MR. LOBO:--There is, however, a market in North Point. In fact, several markets, one is just across the other side.

MR. HU:--Is there any plan to move these hawkers into the market?

MR. LOBO:--Yes.

MR. HU:--Thank you, because Mr. Chairman, Mr. LOBO is the current Chairman of the Markets Select Committee. (Laughter).

MR. LOBO:--I think it was discussed some time ago. I think it was Mr. BERNACCHI who asked the question and I answered him that there would be some small stalls specially for hawkers in this area.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:--Mr. Chairman, since the problem, as many Members of the two Hawker Select Committees see it, is primarily one of shortage of liaison staff at this particular stage, and since Mrs. ELLIOTT is also a member of the Hawker Management Select Committee, would it be possible for both Mrs. ELLIOTT and the Chairman of that particular Select Committee to pool their ideas and resources together to get early action in that particular black spot?

MR. P. C. K. CHAN:--Mr. Chairman, at the risk of being ruled out of order, the availability of manpower is of great concern. I do not think this question is a fair one to be answered by Mr. LOBO, but can you, Sir, assure the Council that after the tidying up operation, there will be manpower to maintain the standard after the tidying-up operation?

CHAIRMAN:--I am endeavouring to get extra staff on the hawker liaison side, but as Members of the Hawker Policy Select Committee, and probably the Management Select Committee, will be aware the

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Police are hopeful that they, together with the District Hawker Consultative Committees and the Kaifongs and such like, will be able to help keep the position in some sort of shape after the major operations have taken place, and I would like to think that the Police will be proved right in this and that it is not only a question of permanent U.S.D. staff.

MRS. ELLIOTT:--Mr. Chairman, I have a feeling you made a scapegoat of Mr. LOBO, because he is not responsible for this. May I ask you why your Department cannot keep this very short road under control with three men?

CHAIRMAN: It is a question of morale and other related matters in the Hawker Control Force.

MR. SALES:--Mr. Chairman, am I to understand from the answer you gave to Mr. Peter CHAN earlier on that, up to the present time, your Department has received no help on the ground from the Police Force?

CHAIRMAN:--That is not the case; they are very helpful.

MR. SALES:--At Marble Road?

CHAIRMAN:--Wherever we have asked them to be. Wherever, in fact, they have suggested that they be—in order to try to straighten things up.

MR. SALES:--My question is, did you get help on the ground along Marble Road?

CHAIRMAN:--When we did the previous operation, I believe, in Chun Yeung Street; but Marble Road has been of secondary importance. Chun Yeung Street has taken precedence.

MR. SALES: Does that not then disclose what the true situation is in respect of effective control along that road?

CHAIRMAN:--To some extent, Mr. SALES.

MR. SALES: Thank you, Sir.

(6) MRS. E. ELLIOTT asked the following question:

Could the Commissioner for Resettlement inform the Council of any delays in the handing over of resettlement blocks during the last year?

If so, could he say what effect these delays have had on the resettlement programme?


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Page 41 of 237 TE 64 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL MR. LOBO:--I was there too. I was not the Chairman then, but I think the matter concerns availability of manpower perhaps. MRS. ELLIOTT:--Mr. Chairman, may I ask if the Chairman of the Committee is aware that very many residents of the area have complained of being unable to move across the street? MR. LOBO:--I am aware of that; I too have complained. MR. HU: Mr. Chairman, may I ask one question? Is there any plan to build a market in the neighbourhood of Marble Road in order to move all the hawkers into the market? MR. LOBO:--Mr. Chairman, this concerns markets. CHAIRMAN:--It is hardly in the context of the question. If Mr. LOBO has the information available well and good. If not, perhaps he could let you know later on. MR. LOBO:--There is, however, a market in North Point. In fact, several markets, one is just across the other side. MR. HU:--Is there any plan to move these hawkers into the market? MR. LOBO:--Yes. MR. HU:--Thank you, because Mr. Chairman, Mr. LOBO is the current Chairman of the Markets Select Committee. (Laughter). MR. LOBO:--I think it was discussed some time ago. I think it was Mr. BERNACCHI who asked the question and I answered him that there would be some small stalls specially for hawkers in this area. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:--Mr. Chairman, since the problem, as many Members of the two Hawker Select Committees see it, is primarily one of shortage of liaison staff at this particular stage, and since Mrs. ELLIOTT is also a member of the Hawker Management Select Committee, would it be possible for both Mrs. ELLIOTT and the Chairman of that particular Select Committee to pool their ideas and resources together to get early action in that particular black spot? MR. P. C. K. CHAN:--Mr. Chairman, at the risk of being ruled out of order, the availability of manpower is of great concern. I do not think this question is a fair one to be answered by Mr. LOBO, but can you, Sir, assure the Council that after the tidying up operation, there will be manpower to maintain the standard after the tidying-up operation? CHAIRMAN:--I am endeavouring to get extra staff on the hawker liaison side, but as Members of the Hawker Policy Select Committee, and probably the Management Select Committee, will be aware the HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 65 Police are hopeful that they, together with the District Hawker Consultative Committees and the Kaifongs and such like, will be able to help keep the position in some sort of shape after the major operations have taken place, and I would like to think that the Police will be proved right in this and that it is not only a question of permanent U.S.D. staff. MRS. ELLIOTT:--Mr. Chairman, I have a feeling you made a scapegoat of Mr. LOBO, because he is not responsible for this. May I ask you why your Department cannot keep this very short road under control with three men? CHAIRMAN: It is a question of morale and other related matters in the Hawker Control Force. MR. SALES:--Mr. Chairman, am I to understand from the answer you gave to Mr. Peter CHAN earlier on that, up to the present time, your Department has received no help on the ground from the Police Force? CHAIRMAN:--That is not the case; they are very helpful. MR. SALES:--At Marble Road? CHAIRMAN:--Wherever we have asked them to be. Wherever, in fact, they have suggested that they be—in order to try to straighten things up. MR. SALES:--My question is, did you get help on the ground along Marble Road? CHAIRMAN:--When we did the previous operation, I believe, in Chun Yeung Street; but Marble Road has been of secondary importance. Chun Yeung Street has taken precedence. MR. SALES: Does that not then disclose what the true situation is in respect of effective control along that road? CHAIRMAN:--To some extent, Mr. SALES. MR. SALES: Thank you, Sir. (6) MRS. E. ELLIOTT asked the following question: Could the Commissioner for Resettlement inform the Council of any delays in the handing over of resettlement blocks during the last year? If so, could he say what effect these delays have had on the resettlement programme? Page 41 of 237
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Page 41 of 237 TE 64 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL MR. LOBO:--I was there too. I was not the Chairman then, but I think the matter concerns availability of manpower perhaps. MRS. ELLIOTT:-Mr. Chairman, may I ask if the Chairman of the Committee is aware that very many residents of the area have com- plained of being unable to move across the street? MR. LOBO:-I am aware of that; I too have complained. MR. HU: Mr. Chairman, may I ask one question? Is there any plan to build a market in the neighbourhood of Marble Road in order to move all the hawkers into the market? MR. LOBO:-Mr. Chairman, this concerns markets. CHAIRMAN:-It is hardly in the context of the question. If Mr. LOBO has the information available well and good. If not, perhaps he could let you know later on. MR. LOBO:-There is, however, a market in North Point. In fact, several markets, one is just across the other side. MR. HU:-Is there any plan to move these hawkers into the market? MR. LOBO:-Yes. MR. HU:-Thank you, because Mr. Chairman, Mr. LOBO is the current Chairman of the Markets Select Committee. (Laughter). MR. LOBO:-I think it was discussed some time ago. I think it was Mr. BERNACCHI who asked the question and I answered him that there would be some small stalls specially for hawkers in this area. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, since the problem, as many Members of the two Hawker Select Committees see it, is primarily one of shortage of liaison staff at this particular stage, and since Mrs. ELLIOTT is also a member of the Hawker Management Select Committee, would it be possible for both Mrs. ELLIOTT and the Chairman of that particular Select Committee to pool their ideas and resources together to get early action in that particular black spot? MR. P. C. K. CHAN:-Mr. Chairman, at the risk of being ruled out of order, the availability of manpower is of great concern. I do not think this question is a fair one to be answered by Mr. LOBO, but can you, Sir, assure the Council that after the tidying up operation, there will be manpower to maintain the standard after the tidying-up operation? CHAIRMAN:-I am endeavouring to get extra staff on the hawker liaison side, but as Members of the Hawker Policy Select Committee, and probably the Management Select Committee, will be aware the HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 65 Police are hopeful that they, together with the District Hawker Con- sultative Committees and the Kaifongs and such like, will be able to help keep the position in some sort of shape after the major operations have taken place, and I would like to think that the Police will be proved right in this and that it is not only a question of permanent U.S.D. staff. MRS. ELLIOTT:-Mr. Chairman, I have a feeling you made a scape- goat of Mr. LOBO, because he is not responsible for this. May I ask you why your Department cannot keep this very short road under control with three men? CHAIRMAN: It is a question of morale and other related matters in the Hawker Control Force. MR. SALES: --Mr. Chairman, am I to understand from the answer you gave to Mr. Peter CHAN earlier on that, up to the present time, your Department has received no help on the ground from the Police Force? CHAIRMAN: --That is not the case; they are very helpful. MR. SALES:-At Marble Road? CHAIRMAN:--Wherever we have asked them to be. Wherever, in fact, they have suggested that they be-in order to try to straighten things up. MR. SALES: -My question is, did you get help on the ground along Marble Road? CHAIRMAN:-When we did the previous operation, I believe, in Chun Yeung Street; but Marble Road has been of secondary importance. Chun Yeung Street has taken precedence. MR. SALES: Does that not then disclose what the true situation is in respect of effective control along that road? CHAIRMAN:-To some extent, Mr. SALES. MR. SALES: Thank you, Sir. (6) MRS. E. ELLIOTT asked the following question : Could the Commissioner for Resettlement inform the Council of any delays in the handing over of resettlement blocks during the last year? If so, could he say what effect these delays have had on the resettlement programme?
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MR. LOBO:--I was there too. I was not the Chairman then, but I think the matter concerns availability of manpower perhaps.

MRS. ELLIOTT:-Mr. Chairman, may I ask if the Chairman of the Committee is aware that very many residents of the area have com- plained of being unable to move across the street?

MR. LOBO:-I am aware of that; I too have complained.

MR. HU: Mr. Chairman, may I ask one question? Is there any plan to build a market in the neighbourhood of Marble Road in order to move all the hawkers into the market?

MR. LOBO:-Mr. Chairman, this concerns markets.

CHAIRMAN:-It is hardly in the context of the question. If Mr. LOBO has the information available well and good. If not, perhaps he could let you know later on.

MR. LOBO:-There is, however, a market in North Point. In fact, several markets, one is just across the other side.

MR. HU:-Is there any plan to move these hawkers into the market?

MR. LOBO:-Yes.

MR. HU:-Thank you, because Mr. Chairman, Mr. LOBO is the current Chairman of the Markets Select Committee. (Laughter).

MR. LOBO:-I think it was discussed some time ago. I think it was Mr. BERNACCHI who asked the question and I answered him that there would be some small stalls specially for hawkers in this area.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, since the problem, as many Members of the two Hawker Select Committees see it, is primarily one of shortage of liaison staff at this particular stage, and since Mrs. ELLIOTT is also a member of the Hawker Management Select Committee, would it be possible for both Mrs. ELLIOTT and the Chairman of that particular Select Committee to pool their ideas and resources together to get early action in that particular black spot?

MR. P. C. K. CHAN:-Mr. Chairman, at the risk of being ruled out of order, the availability of manpower is of great concern. I do not think this question is a fair one to be answered by Mr. LOBO, but can you, Sir, assure the Council that after the tidying up operation, there will be manpower to maintain the standard after the tidying-up operation?

CHAIRMAN:-I am endeavouring to get extra staff on the hawker liaison side, but as Members of the Hawker Policy Select Committee, and probably the Management Select Committee, will be aware the

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Police are hopeful that they, together with the District Hawker Con- sultative Committees and the Kaifongs and such like, will be able to help keep the position in some sort of shape after the major operations have taken place, and I would like to think that the Police will be proved right in this and that it is not only a question of permanent U.S.D. staff.

MRS. ELLIOTT:-Mr. Chairman, I have a feeling you made a scape- goat of Mr. LOBO, because he is not responsible for this. May I ask you why your Department cannot keep this very short road under control with three men?

CHAIRMAN: It is a question of morale and other related matters in the Hawker Control Force.

MR. SALES: --Mr. Chairman, am I to understand from the answer you gave to Mr. Peter CHAN earlier on that, up to the present time, your Department has received no help on the ground from the Police Force?

CHAIRMAN: --That is not the case; they are very helpful.

MR. SALES:-At Marble Road?

CHAIRMAN:--Wherever we have asked them to be. Wherever, in fact, they have suggested that they be-in order to try to straighten things up.

MR. SALES: -My question is, did you get help on the ground along Marble Road?

CHAIRMAN:-When we did the previous operation, I believe, in Chun Yeung Street; but Marble Road has been of secondary importance. Chun Yeung Street has taken precedence.

MR. SALES: Does that not then disclose what the true situation is in respect of effective control along that road?

CHAIRMAN:-To some extent, Mr. SALES.

MR. SALES: Thank you, Sir.

(6) MRS. E. ELLIOTT asked the following question :

Could the Commissioner for Resettlement inform the Council of any delays in the handing over of resettlement blocks during the last year?

If so, could he say what effect these delays have had on the

resettlement programme?

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