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plan for the use to which the north-western part of the park should be put. I have here a plan of the park with full information as to the various stages of development and I see no reason why, subject to the concurrence of the Select Committee, the proposal put by Mr. Henry Hu should not be implemented in the north-western part where, of course, even now there are many hundreds of trees providing shelter from the sun.
MR. HU: Thank you very much. May I ask Mr. SALES that since I am already in this Recreation and Amenities Select Committee, could that question be put to agenda of the next meeting?
MR. SALES: We will be very happy to do so Mr. Chairman.
MRS. ELLIOTT: Mr. Chairman, in the interests of DR. BELL'S favourite sport, could you tell us what an obstacle golf course is?
MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, the details of the obstacle golf course were put forward to Select Committee at the time when Dr. BELL was still a member of that Select Committee and Mrs. ELLIOTT should have clarified that point before asking her supplementary question.
DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, would I be right in thinking that this is the golf course in which Mr. SALES has put every obstacle in the way of building? (Laughter).
MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, I should be very happy to answer that supplementary question. This is not the particular one. (Laughter). The one to which Dr. BELL refers is the conversion of the mini soccer and football pitches designed for the masses for use instead by privileged golfers at Lung Cheung Road. However, being as chivalrous as I am, nevertheless we pursued this matter privately in the Department. There may be the possibility of having a driving range for those who are able to afford that, but certainly not at the expense of the masses who live in nearby resettlement areas.
DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, that doesn't quite answer the question because I was talking about a golf course, not a driving range, and certainly there was a suggestion to which Mr. SALES put many obstacles and I thought this was perhaps coming up now that the obstacle golf course was coming up.
MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, I confess that I am defeated. I cannot understand how the feminine mind works. I was under the impression that it was the driving range at Lung Cheung Road that Dr. BELL wanted and which was the subject of a question in the Hansard. Now, the obstacle golf course was suggested by the Urban Services Department and accepted by the Select Committee, not in substitution of the driving range but perhaps as a sop to Dr. BELL so that she might be invited also one day to play there when it is open.
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MR. BERNACCHI: Mrs. ELLIOTT's question has not been answered, Mr. Chairman. What is an obstacle golf course?
MR. SALES: The question was effectively answered by Dr. BELL. It's a golf course to which Mr. SALES puts as many obstacles as possible. (Laughter).
MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Mr. Chairman, could you answer what is an obstacle golf course since Mr. SALES has not answered it?
MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, may I say in all seriousness that the plans for the golf course were submitted to and approved by the Select Committee. It is a miniature sized golf course with all sorts of little obstacles in the way—hedges, holes, culverts, tunnels, rock mounds, etc. anything that the imagination of the particular designer can put in the way of a golfer. It is not intended for driving but, I'm told, for putting. Not being a plutocrat I can't afford to play golf so I don't know about the subtleties of the game.
DR. BELL: Perhaps it would be correct, Mr. Chairman, to leave out the word "golf" and just call it "an obstacle course”.
MR. SALES: That might be confused with a normal obstacle course in athletics of which no doubt Dr. BELL is not, of course, unmindful.
MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Perhaps, Sir, you might consider giving a name to this course, to call it the Sales-Bell obstacle golf course.
MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, I would like to remind Mr. CHEONG-LEEN first that his supplementary is out of order, being way beyond the original question, and secondly he is usurping the privilege of Mrs. Ellen Li and her colleagues in naming roads, golf courses, parks and other facilities, including Mod Pop-Ins.
MR. CHEONG-LEEN: In final clarification, I think Mrs. Ellen Li's responsibilities encompass primarily streets, but it was not a supplementary question, Sir, it's only a suggestion addressed to you.
MOTION.
MR. CHEONG-LEEN moved the following Motion:
"THAT Standing Order 4(2) be amended to read:
"In these Standing Orders the expression 'Clear day' excludes the day on which notice is given and the day of the meeting and also excludes Sundays and other Public Holidays."
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plan for the use to which the north-western part of the park should be put. I have here a plan of the park with full information as to the various stages of development and I see no reason why, subject to the concurrence of the Select Committee, the proposal put by Mr. Henry Hu should not be implemented in the north-western part where, of course, even now there are many hundreds of trees providing shelter from the sun.
MR. HU: Thank you very much. May I ask Mr. SALES that since I am already in this Recreation and Amenities Select Committee, could that question be put to agenda of the next meeting?
MR. SALES: We will be very happy to do so Mr. Chairman. MRS. ELLIOTT:-Mr. Chairman, in the interests of DR. BELL'S favourite sport, could you tell us what an obstacle golf course is?
MR. SALES: -Mr. Chairman, the details of the obstacle golf course were put forward to Select Committee at the time when Dr. BELL was still a member of that Select Committee and Mrs. ELLIOTT should have clarified that point before asking her supplementary question.
DR. BELL:-Mr. Chairman, would I be right in thinking that this is the golf course in which Mr. SALES has put every obstacle in the way of building? (Laughter).
MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, I should be very happy to answer that supplementary question. This is not the particular one. (Laughter). The one to which Dr. BELL refers is the conversion of the mini soccer and football pitches designed for the masses for use instead by privileged golfers at Lung Cheung Road. However, being as chivalrous as I am, nevertheless we pursued this matter privately in the Department. There may be the possibility of having a driving range for those who are able to afford that, but certainly not at the expense of the masses who live in nearby resettlement areas.
DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, that doesn't quite answer the question because I was talking about a golf course, not a driving range, and certainly there was a suggestion to which Mr. SALES put many obstacles and I thought this was perhaps coming up now that the obstacle golf course was coming up.
MR. SALES: -Mr. Chairman, I confess that I am defeated. I cannot understand how the feminine mind works. I was under the impression that it was the driving range at Lung Cheung Road that Dr. BELL wanted and which was the subject of a question in the Hansard. Now, the obstacle golf course was suggested by the Urban Services Depart- ment and accepted by the Select Committee, not in substitution of the driving range but perhaps as a sop to Dr. BELL so that she might be invited also one day to play there when it is open.
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MR. BERNACCHI:—Mrs. ELLIOTT's question has not been answered, Mr. Chairman. What is an obstacle golf course?
MR. SALES: -The question was effectively answered by Dr. BELL. It's a golf course to which Mr. SALES puts as many obstacles as possible. (Laughter).
MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, could you answer what is an obstacle golf course since Mr. SALES has not answered it?
MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, may I say in all seriousness that the plans for the golf course were submitted to and approved by the Select Committee. It is a miniature sized golf course with all sorts of little obstacles in the way-hedges, holes, culverts, tunnels, rock mounds, etc. anything that the imagination of the particular designer can put in the way of a golfer. It is not intended for driving but, I'm told, for putting. Not being a plutocrat I can't afford to play golf so I don't know about the subtleties of the game.
DR. BELL:-Perhaps it would be correct, Mr. Chairman, to leave out the word "golf" and just call it "an obstacle course”.
MR. SALES: That might be confused with a normal obstacle course in athletics of which no doubt Dr. BELL is not, of course, unmindful.
MR. CHEONG-LEEN: -Perhaps, Sir, you might consider giving a name to this course, to call it the Sales-Bell obstacle golf course.
MR. SALES: -Mr. Chairman, I would like to remind Mr. CHEONG- LEEN first that his supplementary is out of order, being way beyond the original question, and secondly he is usurping the privilege of Mrs. Ellen Li and her colleagues in naming roads, golf courses, parks and other facilities, including Mod Pop-Ins.
MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-In final clarification, I think Mrs. Ellen Lr's responsibilities encompass primarily streets, but it was not a supple- mentary question, Sir, it's only a suggestion addressed to you.
MOTION.
MR. CHEONG-LEEN moved the following Motion:-
"THAT Standing Order 4(2) be amended to read:
"In these Standing Orders the expression 'Clear day' excludes the day on which notice is given and the day of the meeting and also excludes Sundays and other Public Holidays."
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