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MR. HU:-Thank you very much--we really would like that, Mr. Chairman; just now it is not so much a question as a matter of fact, outside jurisdiction or inside jurisdiction. (Laughter). That is my request.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, is it out of order or in order to thank you very kindly for your reply (Laughter)—So be it recorded.

(13) MR. H. CHEONG-LEEN asked the following question:

I have received suggestions both from members of the public and from hawkers to the effect that the Urban Council should keep in closer touch with the various Kaifong Associations in order to solve hawker matters in the urban districts and resettlement estates, and also to reduce to the minimum the incidence of conflict between hawkers and the Police and the Hawker Control Force.

(a) What step is the Hawkers Select Committee taking to seek the co-operation of the Kaifong Associations to assist the Urban Council to carry out its duties to the public as well as to help the hawkers to earn an honest living?

(b) Can an assurance be given by the Hawkers Select Committee Chairman that this Council will seek closer co-operation of the various Kaifong Associations in seeking solutions to hawker matters as they arise in particular districts?

MR. B. A. BERNACCHI, CHAIRMAN OF THE HAWKERS SELECT COMMITTEE, replied as follows:

This question concerns co-operation between the Hawkers Select Committee and Kaifong Welfare Associations. The Hawkers Select Committee is very conscious of the need for liaison with recognised bodies concerned in Hawking matters including Kaifong Welfare Associations, and comments or suggestions from these bodies on hawker matters are always welcome. Kaifong Welfare Associations particularly are consulted by this Council through the Urban Services Department as a matter of course whenever operations are carried out in their districts. In addition, there has been close co-operation with the leaders of Kaifong Welfare Associations in the planning of tidying-up operations, such as that recently carried out in Sham Shui Po.

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I am happy, therefore, to give you an assurance, that the Hawkers Select Committee, on behalf of the Council, will continue to seek the co-operation of Kaifong Welfare Associations in hawker matters arising in their respective districts.

In view of the present position on the ground, therefore, I do not think the word "closer" is altogether correct. Instead I will give a further assurance that the Select Committee will continue to examine new methods to help reduce the natural conflict between the hawkers who want to get more business by expanding their sites and in taking a favourable position, and the authorities who have to pay heed to the reasonable needs of other people as well. In so doing I indeed hope the Kaifongs will continue to be willing to play their part and give the co-operation which this Council, as I have said, always seeks.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Just one supplementary of Mr. BERNACCHI, Mr. Chairman. I assume that when he uses the word "closer" he does not have an open mind—that co-operation and relations with the Kaifongs cannot be closer.

MR. BERNACCHI:-As I said in my answer, the word "closer" is not altogether correct in the context on the ground. That on the ground we hope and we are obtaining close co-operation from the Kaifongs. I think you mean that in seeking new methods we will continue to seek their co-operation. In that sense I give you the assurance of the Select Committee.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:--And that assurance I would assume means closer co-operation? (Laughter).

(14) MR. H. CHEONG-LEEN asked the following question:

I understand that one or more Kaifong Associations are planning to have their own youth centres; to what extent is the Urban Council co-operating with the Kaifong Associations to provide Libraries, Youth Centres or other Youth Recreation facilities in the urban districts and resettlement estates?

MR. A. de O. SALES, CHAIRMAN OF THE RECREATION AND AMENITIES SELECT COMMITTEE, replied as follows:-

This question concerns the planning of youth centres by Kaifong Associations and the extent to which the Urban Council is co-operating with these Associations to provide libraries, youth centres, and other recreation facilities in resettlement estates and urban areas in general.

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Page 50 of 243 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL MR. HU:-Thank you very much--we really would like that, Mr. Chairman; just now it is not so much a question as a matter of fact, outside jurisdiction or inside jurisdiction. (Laughter). That is my request. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, is it out of order or in order to thank you very kindly for your reply (Laughter)—So be it recorded. (13) MR. H. CHEONG-LEEN asked the following question: I have received suggestions both from members of the public and from hawkers to the effect that the Urban Council should keep in closer touch with the various Kaifong Associations in order to solve hawker matters in the urban districts and resettlement estates, and also to reduce to the minimum the incidence of conflict between hawkers and the Police and the Hawker Control Force. (a) What step is the Hawkers Select Committee taking to seek the co-operation of the Kaifong Associations to assist the Urban Council to carry out its duties to the public as well as to help the hawkers to earn an honest living? (b) Can an assurance be given by the Hawkers Select Committee Chairman that this Council will seek closer co-operation of the various Kaifong Associations in seeking solutions to hawker matters as they arise in particular districts? MR. B. A. BERNACCHI, CHAIRMAN OF THE HAWKERS SELECT COMMITTEE, replied as follows: This question concerns co-operation between the Hawkers Select Committee and Kaifong Welfare Associations. The Hawkers Select Committee is very conscious of the need for liaison with recognised bodies concerned in Hawking matters including Kaifong Welfare Associations, and comments or suggestions from these bodies on hawker matters are always welcome. Kaifong Welfare Associations particularly are consulted by this Council through the Urban Services Department as a matter of course whenever operations are carried out in their districts. In addition, there has been close co-operation with the leaders of Kaifong Welfare Associations in the planning of tidying-up operations, such as that recently carried out in Sham Shui Po. HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL I am happy, therefore, to give you an assurance, that the Hawkers Select Committee, on behalf of the Council, will continue to seek the co-operation of Kaifong Welfare Associations in hawker matters arising in their respective districts. In view of the present position on the ground, therefore, I do not think the word "closer" is altogether correct. Instead I will give a further assurance that the Select Committee will continue to examine new methods to help reduce the natural conflict between the hawkers who want to get more business by expanding their sites and in taking a favourable position, and the authorities who have to pay heed to the reasonable needs of other people as well. In so doing I indeed hope the Kaifongs will continue to be willing to play their part and give the co-operation which this Council, as I have said, always seeks. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Just one supplementary of Mr. BERNACCHI, Mr. Chairman. I assume that when he uses the word "closer" he does not have an open mind—that co-operation and relations with the Kaifongs cannot be closer. MR. BERNACCHI:-As I said in my answer, the word "closer" is not altogether correct in the context on the ground. That on the ground we hope and we are obtaining close co-operation from the Kaifongs. I think you mean that in seeking new methods we will continue to seek their co-operation. In that sense I give you the assurance of the Select Committee. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:--And that assurance I would assume means closer co-operation? (Laughter). (14) MR. H. CHEONG-LEEN asked the following question: I understand that one or more Kaifong Associations are planning to have their own youth centres; to what extent is the Urban Council co-operating with the Kaifong Associations to provide Libraries, Youth Centres or other Youth Recreation facilities in the urban districts and resettlement estates? MR. A. de O. SALES, CHAIRMAN OF THE RECREATION AND AMENITIES SELECT COMMITTEE, replied as follows:- This question concerns the planning of youth centres by Kaifong Associations and the extent to which the Urban Council is co-operating with these Associations to provide libraries, youth centres, and other recreation facilities in resettlement estates and urban areas in general. Page 51 of 243
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MR. HU:-Thank you very much--we really would like that. Mr. Chairman; just now it is not so much a question as a matter of fact, outside jurisdiction or inside jurisdiction. (Laughter). That is my request.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, is it out of order or in order to thank you very kindly for your reply (Laughter)—So be it recorded.

(13) MR. H. CHEONG-LEEN asked the following question:

I have received suggestions both from members of the public and from hawkers to the effect that the Urban Council should keep in closer touch with the various Kaifong Associations in order to solve hawker matters in the urban districts and resettlement estates, and also to reduce to the minimum the incidence of conflict between hawkers and the Police and the Hawker Control Force.

(a) What step is the Hawkers Select Committee taking to seek the co-operation of the Kaifong Associations to assist the Urban Council to carry out its duties to the public as well as to help the hawkers to earn an honest living?

(b) Can an assurance be given by the Hawkers Select Committee Chairman that this Council will seek closer co-operation of the various Kaifong Associations in seeking solutions to hawker matters as they arise in particular dis- tricts?

MR. B. A. BERNACCHI, CHAIRMAN OF THE HAWKERS SELECT COM- MITTEE, replied as follows:

This question concerns co-operation between the Hawkers Select Committee and Kaifong Welfare Associations. The Hawkers Select Committee is very conscious of the need for liaison with recognised bodies concerned in Hawking matters including Kaifong Welfare Associations, and com- ments or suggestions from these bodies on hawker matters are always welcome. Kaifong Welfare Associations par- ticularly are consulted by this Council through the Urban Services Department as a matter of course whenever operations are carried out in their districts. In addition, there has been close co-operation with the leaders of Kaifong Welfare Associations in the planning of tidying- up operations, such as that recently carried out in Sham Shui Po.

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I am happy, therefore, to give you an assurance, that the Hawkers Select Committee, on behalf of the Council, will continue to seek the co-operation of Kaifong Welfare Associations in hawker matters arising in their respective districts.

In view of the present position on the ground, therefore, I do not think the word "closer" is altogether correct. Instead I will give a further assurance that the Select Committee will continue to examine new methods to help reduce the natural conflict between the hawkers who want to get more business by expanding their sites and in taking a favourable position, and the authorities who have to pay heed to the reasonable needs of other people as well. In so doing I indeed hope the Kaifongs will continue to be willing to play their part and give the co-operation which this Council, as I have said, always seeks.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Just one supplementary of Mr. BERNACCHI, Mr. Chairman. I assume that when he uses the word "closer" he does not have an open mind-that co-operation and relations with the Kai- fongs cannot be closer.

MR. BERNACCHI:-As I said in my answer, the word "closer" is not altogether correct in the context on the ground. That on the ground we hope and we are obtaining close co-operation from the Kaifongs. I think you mean that in seeking new methods we will continue to seek their co-operation. In that sense I give you the assurance of the Select Committee.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: --And that assurance I would assume means closer co-operation? (Laughter).

(14) MR. H. CHEONG-LEEN asked the following question:

I understand that one or more Kaifong Associations are planning to have their own youth centres; to what extent is the Urban Council co-operating with the Kaifong Associations to provide Libraries, Youth Centres or other Youth Recreation facilities in the urban districts and re- settlement estates?

MR. A. de O. SALES, CHAIRMAN OF THE RECREATION AND AMENITIES SELECT COMMITTEE, replied as follows:-

This question concerns the planning of youth centres by Kai- fong Associations and the extent to which the Urban Council is co-operating with these Associations to provide libraries, youth centres, and other recreation facilities in resettlement estates and urban areas in general.

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