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MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, in the first paragraph of Mr. ASERAPPA's reply he mentioned that there are about 350,000 people in the urban areas, including roof-top squatters who could need resettlement accommodation. Now, in the second paragraph, it is mentioned that for the 6 years from April 1st 1968, 425,000 places are planned for. Apart from the squatter group, what are the other main groups of people who will be eligible for resettlement housing?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-Sir, these are the earliest priority categories that are set out in the Housing Board Report at paragraph 32. I think perhaps Mr. CHEONG-LEEN could extract that information from the Report.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, according to the estimated number of people who will be needing this accommodation, will 425,000 places be sufficient or will they in fact be an excess of resettlement places 6 years from now?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-The number of places has been recommended by the Housing Board, taking into account the probable needs of the number of persons in these various categories. One balances the other.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Has the Housing Board, in considering this particular aspect, made any strong recommendation that resettlement places could eventually be replaced by the better quality housing, that is Government low cost type housing?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-I am not sure that I quite understand this question. The position is that the Housing Board has considered the needs of resettlement places for various people in priority categories. It has also made quite separate recommendations, as I have mentioned in my reply, regarding the provision of Government low cost housing.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, may I pose this supplementary in a different way. From the Commissioner's point of view, would it not have been better to urge Government to phase out, in a much shorter time than 6 years, the resettlement programme and to provide a better quality housing by way of providing the Government low cost type of housing accommodation?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-That is rather a large question which I am afraid I could not answer. It is really a matter for the Housing Board to consider, and to make recommendation about.

DR. BELL:-A supplementary question on this question. Can the Commissioner say how many of the approximately 350,000 squatters at present in the urban areas will still be present in the urban areas as squatters six years from now?

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COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-Mr. Chairman, I am afraid I cannot answer that question. It depends on how many of these squatters apply for other forms of subsidized housing and how many fall within the priority categories. It is not possible to forecast this with any degree of accuracy at the moment.

DR. BELL:-Mr. Chairman, arising out of the Commissioner's answer, does he mean that there still will be squatters on our hill side in the urban areas 6 years from now?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-Again, Sir, I cannot answer that one categorically, but I should imagine that there would be.

DR. BELL:-Mr. Chairman, arising out of that, can the Commissioner tell us whether the Housing Board has any plans to have no squatters on our hillside in a few years time?

CHAIRMAN:-I think, Dr. BELL, I must rule that one out of order. Perhaps, I should have stood up earlier and ruled the previous one out of order as well.

MR. SALES:-Mr. Chairman, referring to the second sentence of the second paragraph of Mr. ASERAPPA's reply, is that in point of fact in implementation of the Report on low cost housing by the Working Party which was set up some years ago?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-I think you could say that it stems from that Report, but it is, of course, in its context the immediate recommendation of the Housing Board.

MR. SALES:-Thank you. Is the Commissioner aware that it is the essence of that Report that there should be progressive improvement in the housing condition of the people, starting from the squatter and resettlement areas?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-I am aware of that, Sir.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, may I refer back to the question which I posed to the Commissioner. In paragraph 2(a) of my question I asked the Commissioner how many people are still awaiting resettlement accommodation, and the Commissioner did say in his reply that there were approximately 350,000 persons in urban areas, including rooftop squatters. Now, the Commissioner has pointed out that they may not all entirely qualify for resettlement. On the other hand the Commissioner has stated in the second paragraph of his reply that there will be within the six years commencing April 1st 1968, 425,000 resettlement places. On the face of it, it would seem that the Government intends to over-provide resettlement places for the number of people who are awaiting resettlement accommodation. Could the Commissioner please explain?

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HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, in the first paragraph of Mr. ASERAPPA's reply he mentioned that there are about 350,000 people in the urban areas, including roof-top squatters who could need resettlement accommodation. Now, in the second paragraph, it is mentioned that for the 6 years from April 1st 1968, 425,000 places are planned for. Apart from the squatter group, what are the other main groups of people who will be eligible for resettlement housing? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-Sir, these are the earliest priority categories that are set out in the Housing Board Report at paragraph 32. I think perhaps Mr. CHEONG-LEEN could extract that information from the Report. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, according to the estimated number of people who will be needing this accommodation, will 425,000 places be sufficient or will they in fact be an excess of resettlement places 6 years from now? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-The number of places has been recommended by the Housing Board, taking into account the probable needs of the number of persons in these various categories. One balances the other. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Has the Housing Board, in considering this particular aspect, made any strong recommendation that resettlement places could eventually be replaced by the better quality housing, that is Government low cost type housing? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-I am not sure that I quite understand this question. The position is that the Housing Board has considered the needs of resettlement places for various people in priority categories. It has also made quite separate recommendations, as I have mentioned in my reply, regarding the provision of Government low cost housing. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, may I pose this supplementary in a different way. From the Commissioner's point of view, would it not have been better to urge Government to phase out, in a much shorter time than 6 years, the resettlement programme and to provide a better quality housing by way of providing the Government low cost type of housing accommodation? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-That is rather a large question which I am afraid I could not answer. It is really a matter for the Housing Board to consider, and to make recommendation about. DR. BELL:-A supplementary question on this question. Can the Commissioner say how many of the approximately 350,000 squatters at present in the urban areas will still be present in the urban areas as squatters six years from now? HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-Mr. Chairman, I am afraid I cannot answer that question. It depends on how many of these squatters apply for other forms of subsidized housing and how many fall within the priority categories. It is not possible to forecast this with any degree of accuracy at the moment. DR. BELL:-Mr. Chairman, arising out of the Commissioner's answer, does he mean that there still will be squatters on our hill side in the urban areas 6 years from now? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-Again, Sir, I cannot answer that one categorically, but I should imagine that there would be. DR. BELL:-Mr. Chairman, arising out of that, can the Commissioner tell us whether the Housing Board has any plans to have no squatters on our hillside in a few years time? CHAIRMAN:-I think, Dr. BELL, I must rule that one out of order. Perhaps, I should have stood up earlier and ruled the previous one out of order as well. MR. SALES:-Mr. Chairman, referring to the second sentence of the second paragraph of Mr. ASERAPPA's reply, is that in point of fact in implementation of the Report on low cost housing by the Working Party which was set up some years ago? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-I think you could say that it stems from that Report, but it is, of course, in its context the immediate recommendation of the Housing Board. MR. SALES:-Thank you. Is the Commissioner aware that it is the essence of that Report that there should be progressive improvement in the housing condition of the people, starting from the squatter and resettlement areas? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-I am aware of that, Sir. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, may I refer back to the question which I posed to the Commissioner. In paragraph 2(a) of my question I asked the Commissioner how many people are still awaiting resettlement accommodation, and the Commissioner did say in his reply that there were approximately 350,000 persons in urban areas, including rooftop squatters. Now, the Commissioner has pointed out that they may not all entirely qualify for resettlement. On the other hand the Commissioner has stated in the second paragraph of his reply that there will be within the six years commencing April 1st 1968, 425,000 resettlement places. On the face of it, it would seem that the Government intends to over-provide resettlement places for the number of people who are awaiting resettlement accommodation. Could the Commissioner please explain? Page 180 of 243

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243 Page 179 of 243 432 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, in the first paragraph of Mr. ASERAPPA's reply he mentioned that there are about 350,000 people in the urban areas, including roof-top squatters who could need resettle- ment accommodation. Now, in the second paragraph, it is mentioned that for the 6 years from April 1st 1968, 425,000 places are planned for. Apart from the squatter group, what are the other main groups of people who will be eligible for resettlement housing? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-Sir, these are the earliest priority categories that are set out in the Housing Board Report at paragraph 32. I think perhaps Mr. CHEONG-LEEN could extract that information from the Report. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, according to the estimated number of people who will be needing this accommodation, will 425,000 places be sufficient or will they in fact be an excess of resettlement places 6 years from now? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: -The number of places has been recommended by the Housing Board, taking into account the probable needs of the number of persons in these various categories. One balances the other. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Has the Housing Board, in considering this particular aspect, made any strong recommendation that resettlement places could eventually be replaced by the better quality housing, that is Government low cost type housing? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-I am not sure that I quite understand this question. The position is that the Housing Board has considered the needs of resettlement places for various people in priority categories. It has also made quite separate recommendations, as I have mentioned in my reply, regarding the provision of Government low cost housing. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, may I pose this supplemen- tary in a different way. From the Commissioner's point of view, would it not have been better to urge Government to phase out, in a much shorter time than 6 years, the resettlement programme and to provide a better quality housing by way of providing the Government low cost type of housing accommodation? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: That is rather a large question which I am afraid I could not answer. It is really a matter for the Housing Board to consider, and to make recommendation about. DR. BELL-A supplementary question on this question. Can the Commissioner say how many of the approximately 350,000 squatters at present in the urban areas will still be present in the urban areas as squatters six years from now? HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 433 COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:--Mr. Chairman, I am afraid I cannot answer that question. It depends on how many of these squatters apply for other forms of subsidized housing and how many fall within the priority categories. It is not possible to forecast this with any degree of accuracy at the moment. DR. BELL:-Mr. Chairman, arising out of the Commissioner's answer, does he mean that there still will be squatters on our hill side in the urban areas 6 years from now? COMMISSIONER for ResettlemENT:-Again, Sir, I cannot answer that one categorically, but I should imagine that there would be. DR. BELL:Mr. Chairman, arising out of that, can the Com- missioner tell us whether the Housing Board has any plans to have no squatters on our hillside in a few years time? CHAIRMAN: --I think, Dr. BELL, I must rule that one out of order. Perhaps, I should have stood up earlier and ruled the previous one out of order as well. MR. SALES: -Mr. Chairman, referring to the second sentence of the second paragraph of Mr. ASERAPPA's reply, is that in point of fact in implementation of the Report on low cost housing by the Working Party which was set up some years ago? COMMISSIONER for ResettlEMENT:—I think you could say that it stems from that Report, but it is, of course, in its context the immediate recommendation of the Housing Board. MR. SALES-Thank you. Is the Commissioner aware that it is the essence of that Report that there should be progressive improve- ment in the housing condition of the people, starting from the squatter and resettlement areas? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT :· -I am aware of that, Sir. MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Mr. Chairman, may I refer back to the question which I posed to the Commissioner. In paragraph 2(a) of my question I asked the Commissioner how many people are still awaiting resettlement accommodation, and the Commissioner did say in his reply that there were approximately 350,000 persons in urban areas, including rooftop squatters. Now, the Commissioner has pointed out that they may not all entirely qualify for resettlement. On the other hand the Commissioner has stated in the second paragraph of his reply that there will be within the six years commencing April 1st 1968, 425,000 reset- tlement places. On the face of it, it would seem that the Government intends to over-provide resettlement places for the number of people who are awaiting resettlement accommodation. Could the Commis- sioner please explain?

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HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, in the first paragraph of Mr. ASERAPPA's reply he mentioned that there are about 350,000 people in the urban areas, including roof-top squatters who could need resettle- ment accommodation. Now, in the second paragraph, it is mentioned that for the 6 years from April 1st 1968, 425,000 places are planned for. Apart from the squatter group, what are the other main groups of people who will be eligible for resettlement housing?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: -The number of places has been recommended by the Housing Board, taking into account the probable needs of the number of persons in these various categories. One balances the other.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, may I pose this supplemen- tary in a different way. From the Commissioner's point of view, would it not have been better to urge Government to phase out, in a much shorter time than 6 years, the resettlement programme and to provide a better quality housing by way of providing the Government low cost type of housing accommodation?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:

That is rather a large question

which I am afraid I could not answer. It is really a matter for the Housing Board to consider, and to make recommendation about.

DR. BELL-A supplementary question on this question. Can the Commissioner say how many of the approximately 350,000 squatters at present in the urban areas will still be present in the urban areas as squatters six years from now?

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COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:--Mr. Chairman, I am afraid I cannot answer that question. It depends on how many of these squatters apply for other forms of subsidized housing and how many fall within the priority categories. It is not possible to forecast this with any degree of accuracy at the moment.

DR. BELL:-Mr. Chairman, arising out of the Commissioner's answer, does he mean that there still will be squatters on our hill side in the urban areas 6 years from now?

COMMISSIONER for ResettlemENT:-Again, Sir, I cannot answer that one categorically, but I should imagine that there would be.

DR. BELL:Mr. Chairman, arising out of that, can the Com- missioner tell us whether the Housing Board has any plans to have no squatters on our hillside in a few years time?

CHAIRMAN: --I think, Dr. BELL, I must rule that one out of order. Perhaps, I should have stood up earlier and ruled the previous one out of order as well.

MR. SALES: -Mr. Chairman, referring to the second sentence of the second paragraph of Mr. ASERAPPA's reply, is that in point of fact in implementation of the Report on low cost housing by the Working Party which was set up some years ago?

COMMISSIONER for ResettlEMENT:—I think you could say that it stems from that Report, but it is, of course, in its context the immediate recommendation of the Housing Board.

MR. SALES-Thank you. Is the Commissioner aware that it is the essence of that Report that there should be progressive improve- ment in the housing condition of the people, starting from the squatter and resettlement areas?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT :· -I am aware of that, Sir.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Mr. Chairman, may I refer back to the question which I posed to the Commissioner. In paragraph 2(a) of my question I asked the Commissioner how many people are still awaiting resettlement accommodation, and the Commissioner did say in his reply that there were approximately 350,000 persons in urban areas, including rooftop squatters. Now, the Commissioner has pointed out that they may not all entirely qualify for resettlement. On the other hand the Commissioner has stated in the second paragraph of his reply that there will be within the six years commencing April 1st 1968, 425,000 reset- tlement places. On the face of it, it would seem that the Government intends to over-provide resettlement places for the number of people who are awaiting resettlement accommodation. Could the Commis- sioner please explain?

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