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COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-I had supposed that this was outside the Council's jurisdiction. In fact, I do not know the number of people but I do know that the number of huts damaged was in fact 27.

DR. BELL:-So there were about 69 huts damaged altogether, is that so?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-That is correct.

DR. BELL:-Mr. Chairman, do the occupants of these huts which are damaged in re-site areas have to pay for the reconstruction of their huts when they are allowed to move back, either to the original site or to another site?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-Yes, the reconstruction of the huts is their responsibility. They do, however, qualify for a grant from the Community Relief Trust Fund.

DR. BELL:-And are they usually put back into the same site or into a different site?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-It depends on the circumstances. Subject to correction, I believe that all persons affected in this last typhoon will be moved back on to their original sites. In fact, most of them are engaged in rebuilding their huts, and most of them have moved back. But there are still some that have not.

DR. BELL:-And are these sites not still then a potential danger in a subsequent typhoon?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-I do not think you could call this a potential danger. The damage here was by typhoon wind, and I do not think anyone can really guard against that. I think any site in the Colony is potentially dangerous in a typhoon.

MR. BERNACCHI:-When you say that they would qualify for a grant from the Community Relief Fund, do they in fact get a grant and is that grant sufficient to enable them to rebuild huts without further costs, or are they involved in further costs?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-The answer to the first part of that is that they certainly get a grant if their huts have been damaged or destroyed. I myself do not know the exact figure, but I believe I'm right in saying, subject to correction by the Director of Social Welfare, the grant is not intended to cover the complete cost but it is assistance towards rebuilding their huts.

DIRECTOR OF SOCIAL WELFARE:-I think, Mr. Chairman, if I may add to that, that the figure is an arbitrary standard figure, but is reckoned to cover the cost of the average hut and it is a figure which is under constant review by the Community Relief Trust Fund Committee. The Committee considered the matter fairly recently and considered the figure still to be appropriate.

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MR. HU:-May I know how much each person would get when their house is destroyed? How much the head of family could get when his house is destroyed by typhoon.

CHAIRMAN:-This is hardly in the context of the original question Mr. Hu. If the Director of Social Welfare can help you on this one then well and good, but if not, perhaps we can leave it.

DIRECTOR OF SOCIAL WELFARE:-I regret, Mr. Chairman, I did not hear the question. I was conversing with my neighbour, Mr. BERNACCHI. I apologize for this.

MR. HU:-Yes, I'm sorry. You just said the Director of Social Welfare told us that a certain amount of money is paid to the victims of natural disasters. What I asked is how much each family could get if their home is destroyed?

DIRECTOR OF SOCIAL WELFARE:-It varies, Mr. Chairman. The whole thing is set out in a schedule in the annual report of the Community Relief Trust Fund, which was tabled in the Legislative Council quite recently. I will send Mr. Hu a copy of this.

MR. HU:-Thank you.

DR. BELL:-Mr. Chairman, you may consider this is a new matter I don't know, but if it is then please rule it out. What happens to the victims in the re-site areas when their homes are destroyed, where are they taken, what is done for them?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-They can, if they wish, move into one of our transit centres—I always forget whether it is transit camps or transit centres—but one of the temporary shelters which we have available. In other cases, they move in with relatives or friends and make their own arrangements.

REPORT BY MRS. E. ELLIOTT, CHAIRMAN, LIBRARY SELECT COMMITTEE.

MRS. ELLIOTT:-Mr. Chairman, at a meeting of this Council held in June 1968, a motion was carried "THAT this Council recognize the need to provide reading rooms for study for young people living in the overcrowded urban areas and that the Library Select Committee be authorized to submit proposals for this purpose".

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Page 114 of 243 206 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-I had supposed that this was outside the Council's jurisdiction. In fact, I do not know the number of people but I do know that the number of huts damaged was in fact 27. DR. BELL:-So there were about 69 huts damaged altogether, is that so? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-That is correct. DR. BELL:-Mr. Chairman, do the occupants of these huts which are damaged in re-site areas have to pay for the reconstruction of their huts when they are allowed to move back, either to the original site or to another site? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-Yes, the reconstruction of the huts is their responsibility. They do, however, qualify for a grant from the Community Relief Trust Fund. DR. BELL:-And are they usually put back into the same site or into a different site? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-It depends on the circumstances. Subject to correction, I believe that all persons affected in this last typhoon will be moved back on to their original sites. In fact, most of them are engaged in rebuilding their huts, and most of them have moved back. But there are still some that have not. DR. BELL:-And are these sites not still then a potential danger in a subsequent typhoon? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-I do not think you could call this a potential danger. The damage here was by typhoon wind, and I do not think anyone can really guard against that. I think any site in the Colony is potentially dangerous in a typhoon. MR. BERNACCHI:-When you say that they would qualify for a grant from the Community Relief Fund, do they in fact get a grant and is that grant sufficient to enable them to rebuild huts without further costs, or are they involved in further costs? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-The answer to the first part of that is that they certainly get a grant if their huts have been damaged or destroyed. I myself do not know the exact figure, but I believe I'm right in saying, subject to correction by the Director of Social Welfare, the grant is not intended to cover the complete cost but it is assistance towards rebuilding their huts. DIRECTOR OF SOCIAL WELFARE:-I think, Mr. Chairman, if I may add to that, that the figure is an arbitrary standard figure, but is reckoned to cover the cost of the average hut and it is a figure which is under constant review by the Community Relief Trust Fund Committee. The Committee considered the matter fairly recently and considered the figure still to be appropriate. 207 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL MR. HU:-May I know how much each person would get when their house is destroyed? How much the head of family could get when his house is destroyed by typhoon. CHAIRMAN:-This is hardly in the context of the original question Mr. Hu. If the Director of Social Welfare can help you on this one then well and good, but if not, perhaps we can leave it. DIRECTOR OF SOCIAL WELFARE:-I regret, Mr. Chairman, I did not hear the question. I was conversing with my neighbour, Mr. BERNACCHI. I apologize for this. MR. HU:-Yes, I'm sorry. You just said the Director of Social Welfare told us that a certain amount of money is paid to the victims of natural disasters. What I asked is how much each family could get if their home is destroyed? DIRECTOR OF SOCIAL WELFARE:-It varies, Mr. Chairman. The whole thing is set out in a schedule in the annual report of the Community Relief Trust Fund, which was tabled in the Legislative Council quite recently. I will send Mr. Hu a copy of this. MR. HU:-Thank you. DR. BELL:-Mr. Chairman, you may consider this is a new matter I don't know, but if it is then please rule it out. What happens to the victims in the re-site areas when their homes are destroyed, where are they taken, what is done for them? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-They can, if they wish, move into one of our transit centres—I always forget whether it is transit camps or transit centres—but one of the temporary shelters which we have available. In other cases, they move in with relatives or friends and make their own arrangements. REPORT BY MRS. E. ELLIOTT, CHAIRMAN, LIBRARY SELECT COMMITTEE. MRS. ELLIOTT:-Mr. Chairman, at a meeting of this Council held in June 1968, a motion was carried "THAT this Council recognize the need to provide reading rooms for study for young people living in the overcrowded urban areas and that the Library Select Committee be authorized to submit proposals for this purpose". Page 115 of 243

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243 Page 114 of 24 Page 114 of 243 206 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-I had supposed that this was outside the Council's jurisdiction. In fact, I do not know the number of people but I do know that the number of huts damaged was in fact 27. DR. BELL:-So there were about 69 huts damaged altogether, is that so? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-That is correct. DR. BELL:-Mr. Chairman, do the occupants of these huts which are damaged in re-site areas have to pay for the reconstruction of their huts when they are allowed to move back, either to the original site or to another site? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMTNT:-Yes, the reconstruction of the huts is their responsibility. They do, however, qualify for a grant from the Community Relief Trust Fund. DR. BELL:---And are they usually put back into the same site or into a different site? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-It depends on the circum- stances. Subject to correction, I believe that all persons affected in this last typhoon will be moved back on to their original sites. In fact, most of them are engaged in rebuilding their huts, and most of them have moved back. But there are still some that have not. DR. BELL:-And are these sites not still then a potential danger in a subsequent typhoon? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: -I do not think you could call this a potential danger. The damage here was by typhoon wind, and I do not think anyone can really guard against that. I think any site in the Colony is potentially dangerous in a typhoon. MR. BERNACCHI : --When you say that they would qualify for a grant from the Community Relief Fund, do they in fact get a grant and is that grant sufficient to enable them to rebuild huts without further costs, or are they involved in further costs? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: The answer to the first part of that is that they certainly get a grant if their huts have been damaged or destroyed. I myself do not know the exact figure, but I believe I'm right in saying, subject to correction by the Director of Social Welfare, the grant is not intended to cover the complete cost but it is assistance towards rebuilding their huts. DIRECTOR OF SOCIAL WELFARE:-I think, Mr. Chairman, if I may add to that, that the figure is an arbitrary standard figure, but is reckoned to cover the cost of the average hut and it is a figure which HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 207 is under constant review by the Community Relief Trust Fund Committee. The Committee considered the matter fairly recently and considered the figure still to be appropriate. MR. HU:-May I know how much each person would get when their house is destroyed? How much the head of family could get when his house is destroyed by typhoon. CHAIRMAN:-This is hardly in the context of the original question Mr. Hu. If the Director of Social Welfare can help you on this one then well and good, but if not, perhaps we can leave it. DIRECTOR OF SOCIAL WELFARE:--I regret, Mr. Chairman, I did not hear the question. I was conversing with my neighbour, Mr. BERNACCHI. I apologize for this. MR. HU: Yes, I'm sorry. You just said the Director of Social Welfare told us that a certain amount of money is paid to the victims of natural disasters. What I asked is how much each family could get if their home is destroyed? DIRECTOR OF SOCIAL WELFARE: -It varies, Mr. Chairman. The whole thing is set out in a schedule in the annual report of the Community Relief Trust Fund, which was tabled in the Legislative Council quite recently. I will send Mr. Hu a copy of this. MR. HU: Thank you. DR. BELL:-Mr. Chairman, you may consider this is a new matter I don't know, but if it is then please rule it out. What happens to the victims in the re-site areas when their homes are destroyed, where are they taken, what is done for them? COMMISSIONER for ResettlEMENT:-They can, if they wish, move into one of our transit centres-I always forget whether it is transit camps or transit centres--but one of the temporary shelters which we have available. In other cases, they move in with relatives or friends and make their own arrangements. REPORT BY MRS. E. ELLIOTT, CHAIRMAN, LIBRARY SELECT COMMITTEE. MRS. ELLIOTT:-Mr. Chairman, at a meeting of this Council held in June 1968, a motion was carried "THAT this Council recognize the need to provide reading rooms for study for young people living in the overcrowded urban areas and that the Library Select Committee be authorized to submit proposals for this purpose".

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DR. BELL:-So there were about 69 huts damaged altogether, is that so?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-That is correct.

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMTNT:-Yes, the reconstruction of the huts is their responsibility. They do, however, qualify for a grant from the Community Relief Trust Fund.

DR. BELL:---And are they usually put back into the same site or into a different site?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-It depends on the circum- stances. Subject to correction, I believe that all persons affected in this last typhoon will be moved back on to their original sites. In fact, most of them are engaged in rebuilding their huts, and most of them have moved back. But there are still some that have not.

DR. BELL:-And are these sites not still then a potential danger in a subsequent typhoon?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: -I do not think you could call this a potential danger. The damage here was by typhoon wind, and I do not think anyone can really guard against that. I think any site in the Colony is potentially dangerous in a typhoon.

MR. BERNACCHI : --When you say that they would qualify for a grant from the Community Relief Fund, do they in fact get a grant and is that grant sufficient to enable them to rebuild huts without further costs, or are they involved in further costs?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: The answer to the first part of that is that they certainly get a grant if their huts have been damaged or destroyed. I myself do not know the exact figure, but I believe I'm right in saying, subject to correction by the Director of Social Welfare, the grant is not intended to cover the complete cost but it is assistance towards rebuilding their huts.

DIRECTOR OF SOCIAL WELFARE:-I think, Mr. Chairman, if I may add to that, that the figure is an arbitrary standard figure, but is reckoned to cover the cost of the average hut and it is a figure which

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is under constant review by the Community Relief Trust Fund Committee. The Committee considered the matter fairly recently and considered the figure still to be appropriate.

MR. HU:-May I know how much each person would get when their house is destroyed? How much the head of family could get when his house is destroyed by typhoon.

CHAIRMAN:-This is hardly in the context of the original question Mr. Hu. If the Director of Social Welfare can help you on this one then well and good, but if not, perhaps we can leave it.

DIRECTOR OF SOCIAL WELFARE:--I regret, Mr. Chairman, I did not hear the question. I was conversing with my neighbour, Mr. BERNACCHI. I apologize for this.

MR. HU: Yes, I'm sorry. You just said the Director of Social Welfare told us that a certain amount of money is paid to the victims of natural disasters. What I asked is how much each family could get if their home is destroyed?

DIRECTOR OF SOCIAL WELFARE: -It varies, Mr. Chairman. The whole thing is set out in a schedule in the annual report of the Community Relief Trust Fund, which was tabled in the Legislative Council quite recently. I will send Mr. Hu a copy of this.

MR. HU: Thank you.

COMMISSIONER for ResettlEMENT:-They can, if they wish, move into one of our transit centres-I always forget whether it is transit camps or transit centres--but one of the temporary shelters which we have available. In other cases, they move in with relatives or friends and make their own arrangements.

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