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a modern one similar to Cape Collinson. This proposed new crematorium will be sited north of the existing building, and is at present in Category C of the Public Works Programme. It is proposed to apply for its upgrading to Category B at an early date.

The interment area to the north of the Diamond Hill Crematorium is the New Kowloon Cemetery No. 8 (commonly known as the Diamond Hill Urn Cemetery), which was closed in 1950. General tidying up of this cemetery is carried out each year before and after the Ching Ming and Chung Yeung Festivals; and at other times when and where necessary.

DR. BELL:- Mr. Chairman, may I ask one supplementary question? What exactly do you mean by reprovisioning of the cremators?

MR. CHEUNG:- That means we are demolishing the old cremators and constructing new ones.

DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, which committee considers what the layout should be around the urn area in the Crematorium? Whose decision was it to put a fish pond there?

MR. CHEUNG:- My committee is consulted when it comes to major works on improvements, but when it comes to minor works not involving policy the Department goes ahead. Sometimes they report to my Select Committee.

DR. BELL:- Mr. Chairman, could I ask you whether the Chairman of the Parks, Recreation and Amenities Select Committee would be prepared in future to have his committee consider the amenities in such areas. The amenities in this particular area have not been bad just since 30th April, 1967. They have been deteriorating very badly for the past year or more. There are also hawkers hawking their joss sticks and what have you all around the entrance to this place. Do you think you could ask the Recreation Committee or the Amenities Division about that?

CHAIRMAN: Dr. BELL, it is a fact that the War Cemetery at Sai Wan Bay and the War Cemetery at Stanley are cared for by staff of the Parks, Recreation and Amenities Division. I cannot speak for the Chairman of the Parks, Recreation and Amenities Select Committee, but I give him this opportunity to express an opinion, having stated an analogy.

MR. SALES:- Sir, the Select Committee of which I am Chairman is always very eager to be of service to other Select Committees. I suggest, Sir, that the Chairman and Members of the Cemeteries, Crematoria and Funeral Parlours Select Committee do some field work. If they had paid a visit to Diamond Hill they might have noticed the conditions about which Dr. BELL has complained to-day, and they could within their own committee have tidied up the place. But if at any time it is necessary for the Parks, Recreation and Amenities Select Committee to absorb Cemeteries and Crematoria, we would be glad to do so. (Laughter).

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DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, one further supplementary question please. Mr. CHEUNG Wing-in has said in his reply that minor plans do not go to his committee, but that they are consulted about major plans. Has his committee been consulted about the building of the new Crematorium? Have they seen the plans for that, and when do you expect it to be completed?

MR. CHEUNG:- It depends; usually plans are not prepared until the scheme has been up-graded to Category "B". Category "C" is simply a stage where a scheme has been approved in principle. Category “B” is the stage where plans are approved and are considered by Select Committees.

DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, when are you expecting it to be ready?

CHAIRMAN: It is not possible to give any estimate at the moment, Dr. BELL. As Mr. CHEUNG Wing-in has said, while the project is in Category "C" it is a project that is desirable in principle. It has not got any further than that, and it is proposed, according to the written answer, to have this project raised in category from "C" to "B". That cannot take place before the September meeting of the Public Works Finance Committee. Thereafter, sketch plans would have to be prepared. It is possible that that stage will go fairly smoothly because we have the plans of Cape Collinson with us already though I do not wish to infer that we would do an exact copy of Cape Collinson. After that comes the stage of the actual voting of funds for construction, which is Stage "A". It is not possible to give any kind of useful estimate at the moment as to when a new Kowloon Crematorium would be ready, but if Members would like at our Standing Committee meeting next week to give me an indication of the urgency with which they regard this project, I will see what I can do to forward it.

DR. BELL:- Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. With your permission I would like to ask you whether the existing Crematorium is going to be functioning until the new one is built?

CHAIRMAN:- I am sorry, Dr. BELL, I have not briefed myself on this subject. I imagine that since the new one will probably be built on the site of the old one, the old one will be taken out of commission, but I am only guessing.

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Page 63 of 259 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL a modern one similar to Cape Collinson. This proposed new crematorium will be sited north of the existing building, and is at present in Category C of the Public Works Programme. It is proposed to apply for its upgrading to Category B at an early date. The interment area to the north of the Diamond Hill Crematorium is the New Kowloon Cemetery No. 8 (commonly known as the Diamond Hill Urn Cemetery), which was closed in 1950. General tidying up of this cemetery is carried out each year before and after the Ching Ming and Chung Yeung Festivals; and at other times when and where necessary. DR. BELL:- Mr. Chairman, may I ask one supplementary question? What exactly do you mean by reprovisioning of the cremators? MR. CHEUNG:- That means we are demolishing the old cremators and constructing new ones. DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, which committee considers what the layout should be around the urn area in the Crematorium? Whose decision was it to put a fish pond there? MR. CHEUNG:- My committee is consulted when it comes to major works on improvements, but when it comes to minor works not involving policy the Department goes ahead. Sometimes they report to my Select Committee. DR. BELL:- Mr. Chairman, could I ask you whether the Chairman of the Parks, Recreation and Amenities Select Committee would be prepared in future to have his committee consider the amenities in such areas. The amenities in this particular area have not been bad just since 30th April, 1967. They have been deteriorating very badly for the past year or more. There are also hawkers hawking their joss sticks and what have you all around the entrance to this place. Do you think you could ask the Recreation Committee or the Amenities Division about that? CHAIRMAN: Dr. BELL, it is a fact that the War Cemetery at Sai Wan Bay and the War Cemetery at Stanley are cared for by staff of the Parks, Recreation and Amenities Division. I cannot speak for the Chairman of the Parks, Recreation and Amenities Select Committee, but I give him this opportunity to express an opinion, having stated an analogy. MR. SALES:- Sir, the Select Committee of which I am Chairman is always very eager to be of service to other Select Committees. I suggest, Sir, that the Chairman and Members of the Cemeteries, Crematoria and Funeral Parlours Select Committee do some field work. If they had paid a visit to Diamond Hill they might have noticed the conditions about which Dr. BELL has complained to-day, and they could within their own committee have tidied up the place. But if at any time it is necessary for the Parks, Recreation and Amenities Select Committee to absorb Cemeteries and Crematoria, we would be glad to do so. (Laughter). HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, one further supplementary question please. Mr. CHEUNG Wing-in has said in his reply that minor plans do not go to his committee, but that they are consulted about major plans. Has his committee been consulted about the building of the new Crematorium? Have they seen the plans for that, and when do you expect it to be completed? MR. CHEUNG:- It depends; usually plans are not prepared until the scheme has been up-graded to Category "B". Category "C" is simply a stage where a scheme has been approved in principle. Category “B” is the stage where plans are approved and are considered by Select Committees. DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, when are you expecting it to be ready? CHAIRMAN: It is not possible to give any estimate at the moment, Dr. BELL. As Mr. CHEUNG Wing-in has said, while the project is in Category "C" it is a project that is desirable in principle. It has not got any further than that, and it is proposed, according to the written answer, to have this project raised in category from "C" to "B". That cannot take place before the September meeting of the Public Works Finance Committee. Thereafter, sketch plans would have to be prepared. It is possible that that stage will go fairly smoothly because we have the plans of Cape Collinson with us already though I do not wish to infer that we would do an exact copy of Cape Collinson. After that comes the stage of the actual voting of funds for construction, which is Stage "A". It is not possible to give any kind of useful estimate at the moment as to when a new Kowloon Crematorium would be ready, but if Members would like at our Standing Committee meeting next week to give me an indication of the urgency with which they regard this project, I will see what I can do to forward it. DR. BELL:- Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. With your permission I would like to ask you whether the existing Crematorium is going to be functioning until the new one is built? CHAIRMAN:- I am sorry, Dr. BELL, I have not briefed myself on this subject. I imagine that since the new one will probably be built on the site of the old one, the old one will be taken out of commission, but I am only guessing. 104 105 Page 64 of 259

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259 Page 63 of 259 104 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL a modern one similar to Cape Collinson. This proposed new crematorium will be sited north of the existing build- ing, and is at present in Category C of the Public Works Programme. It is proposed to apply for its upgrading to Category B at an early date. The interment area to the north of the Diamond Hill Crema- torium is the New Kowloon Cemetery No. 8 (commonly known as the Diamond Hill Urn Cemetery), which was closed in 1950. General tidying up of this cemetery is carried out each year before and after the Ching Ming and Chung Yeung Festivals; and at other times when and where necessary. DR. BELL:-Mr. Chairman, may I ask one supplementary question? What exactly do you mean by reprovisioning of the cremators? MR. CHEUNG:-That means we are demolishing the old cremators and constructing new ones. DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, which committee considers what the layout should be around the urn area in the Crematorium? Whose decision was it to put a fish pond there? MR. CHEUNG:-My committee is consulted when it comes to major works on improvements, but when it comes to minor works not involving policy the Department goes ahead. Sometimes they report to my Select Committee. DR. BELL:—Mr. Chairman, could I ask you whether the Chairman of the Parks, Recreation and Amenities Select Committee would be prepared in future to have his committee consider the amenities in such areas. The amenities in this particular area have not been bad just since 30th April, 1967. They have been deteriorating very badly for the past year or more. There are also hawkers hawking their joss sticks and what have you all around the entrance to this place. Do you think you could ask the Recreation Committee or the Amenities Division about that? CHAIRMAN: Dr. BELL, it is a fact that the War Cemetery at Sai Wan Bay and the War Cemetery at Stanley are cared for by staff of the Parks, Recreation and Amenities Division. I cannot speak for the Chairman of the Parks, Recreation and Amenities Select Committee, but I give him this opportunity to express an opinion, having stated an analogy. MR. SALES-Sir, the Select Committee of which I am Chairman is always very eager to be of service to other Select Committees. I sug- gest, Sir, that the Chairman and Members of the Cemeteries, Crematoria HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 105 and Funeral Parlours Select Committee do some field work. If they had paid a visit to Diamond Hill they might have noticed the conditions about which Dr. BELL has complained to-day, and they could within their own committee have tidied up the place. But if at any time it is necessary for the Parks, Recreation and Amenities Select Committee to absorb Cemeteries and Crematoria, we would be glad to do so. (Laughter). DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, one further supplementary question please. Mr. CHEUNG Wing-in has said in his reply that minor plans do not go to his committee, but that they are consulted about major plans. Has his committee been consulted about the building of the new Crema- torium? Have they seen the plans for that, and when do you expect it to be completed? MR. CHEUNG :-It depends; usually plans are not prepared until the scheme has been up-graded to Category "B". Category "C" is simply a stage where a scheme has been approved in principle. Category “B” is the stage where plans are approved and are considered by Select Committees. DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, when are you expecting it to be ready? CHAIRMAN: It is not possible to give any estimate at the moment, Dr. BELL. As Mr. CHEUNG Wing-in has said, while the project is in Category "C" it is a project that is desirable in principle. It has not got any further than that, and it is proposed, according to the written answer, to have this project raised in category from "C" to "B". That cannot take place before the September meeting of the Public Works Finance Committee. Thereafter, sketch plans would have to be pre- pared. It is possible that that stage will go fairly smoothly because we have the plans of Cape Collinson with us already though I do not wish to infer that we would do an exact copy of Cape Collinson. After that comes the stage of the actual voting of funds for construction, which is Stage "A". It is not possible to give any kind of useful estimate at the moment as to when a new Kowloon Crematorium would be ready, but if Members would like at our Standing Committee meeting next week to give me an indication of the urgency with which they regard this project, I will see what I can do to forward it. DR. BELL:-Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. With your permission I would like to ask you whether the existing Crematorium is going to be functioning until the new one is built? CHAIRMAN:-I am sorry, Dr. BELL, I have not briefed myself on this subject. I imagine that since the new one will probably be built on the site of the old one, the old one will be taken out of commission, but I am only guessing.

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a modern one similar to Cape Collinson. This proposed new crematorium will be sited north of the existing build- ing, and is at present in Category C of the Public Works Programme. It is proposed to apply for its upgrading to Category B at an early date.

The interment area to the north of the Diamond Hill Crema- torium is the New Kowloon Cemetery No. 8 (commonly known as the Diamond Hill Urn Cemetery), which was closed in 1950. General tidying up of this cemetery is carried out each year before and after the Ching Ming and Chung Yeung Festivals; and at other times when and where necessary.

DR. BELL:-Mr. Chairman, may I ask one supplementary question? What exactly do you mean by reprovisioning of the cremators?

MR. CHEUNG:-That means we are demolishing the old cremators and constructing new ones.

DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, which committee considers what the layout should be around the urn area in the Crematorium? Whose decision was it to put a fish pond there?

MR. CHEUNG:-My committee is consulted when it comes to major works on improvements, but when it comes to minor works not involving policy the Department goes ahead. Sometimes they report to my Select Committee.

DR. BELL:—Mr. Chairman, could I ask you whether the Chairman of the Parks, Recreation and Amenities Select Committee would be prepared in future to have his committee consider the amenities in such areas. The amenities in this particular area have not been bad just since 30th April, 1967. They have been deteriorating very badly for the past year or more. There are also hawkers hawking their joss sticks and what have you all around the entrance to this place. Do you think you could ask the Recreation Committee or the Amenities Division about that?

MR. SALES-Sir, the Select Committee of which I am Chairman is always very eager to be of service to other Select Committees. I sug- gest, Sir, that the Chairman and Members of the Cemeteries, Crematoria

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and Funeral Parlours Select Committee do some field work. If they had paid a visit to Diamond Hill they might have noticed the conditions about which Dr. BELL has complained to-day, and they could within their own committee have tidied up the place. But if at any time it is necessary for the Parks, Recreation and Amenities Select Committee to absorb Cemeteries and Crematoria, we would be glad to do so. (Laughter).

DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, one further supplementary question please. Mr. CHEUNG Wing-in has said in his reply that minor plans do not go to his committee, but that they are consulted about major plans. Has his committee been consulted about the building of the new Crema- torium? Have they seen the plans for that, and when do you expect it to be completed?

MR. CHEUNG :-It depends; usually plans are not prepared until the scheme has been up-graded to Category "B". Category "C" is simply a stage where a scheme has been approved in principle. Category “B” is the stage where plans are approved and are considered by Select Committees.

DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, when are you expecting it to be ready?

CHAIRMAN: It is not possible to give any estimate at the moment, Dr. BELL. As Mr. CHEUNG Wing-in has said, while the project is in Category "C" it is a project that is desirable in principle. It has not got any further than that, and it is proposed, according to the written answer, to have this project raised in category from "C" to "B". That cannot take place before the September meeting of the Public Works Finance Committee. Thereafter, sketch plans would have to be pre- pared. It is possible that that stage will go fairly smoothly because we have the plans of Cape Collinson with us already though I do not wish to infer that we would do an exact copy of Cape Collinson. After that comes the stage of the actual voting of funds for construction, which is Stage "A". It is not possible to give any kind of useful estimate at the moment as to when a new Kowloon Crematorium would be ready, but if Members would like at our Standing Committee meeting next week to give me an indication of the urgency with which they regard this project, I will see what I can do to forward it.

DR. BELL:-Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. With your permission I would like to ask you whether the existing Crematorium is going to be functioning until the new one is built?

CHAIRMAN:-I am sorry, Dr. BELL, I have not briefed myself on this subject. I imagine that since the new one will probably be built on the site of the old one, the old one will be taken out of commission, but I am only guessing.

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