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DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES: - From the official number of residents in these estates. One doctor can work for half a day.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Can I have an answer to the original question?

DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES: - I am unable to forecast whether there will be sufficient low-cost clinics of this sort actually inside resettlement estates. There is a large number of clinics surrounding estates, nearby or adjacent. Government has 10 or 11 clinics very near resettlement estates. These are not counted as resettlement estate clinics, because, as you know, the policy is not to provide separate medical services for resettled persons as opposed to the rest of the Colony. They are integrated with the rest of the Colony as regards these services. All I can do, Mr. Chairman, is to assure Mr. CHEONG-LEEN that every effort will be made to put as many clinics as possible in these estates. A good start has already been made. There are 23 clinics, as I have mentioned, already registered under the Medical Clinics Ordinance working inside resettlement estates.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: - This is a very important matter for the public, Mr. Chairman, particularly the residents in the estates, and I would like to get the assurance from the Vice-Chairman that not only will every effort be made, but an assurance should be given that by the time the mobile clinics are withdrawn, there will be a reasonable number of clinics and medical practitioners made available for the residents in resettlement estates, either within the estates or very near to the estates. We should keep in mind too that many of these estates are old estates and it is not easy to make shop spaces available for clinics within these estates, such as Shek Kip Mei and the other old estates.

DR. BELL: - Mr. Chairman, could I make a comment on that? It has already been discussed by the Resettlement Policy Select Committee, and I understand that there is no difficulty in finding accommodation for the clinics that are required.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: - Well, that is something which the Policy Committee knows about, but I also think the public should be made aware of it, because we cannot operate behind closed doors and the earlier we can make that known to the public the better it will be.

CHAIRMAN: - Mr. CHEONG-LEEN, it would oblige me if you would frame your remarks in the form of a question.

MR. BERNACCHI: - Mr. Chairman, I will frame my remarks in the form of a question eventually. I am seriously concerned at the position that would occur if this scheme of medical practitioners operating in clinics falls through, and I would enquire of the Vice-Chairman whether it is intended to stop registration of the existing mobile clinics in resettlement estates, whether or not the alternative scheme in fact works, or whether the intention is to stop registration if the other scheme works?

DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES: - I think there is no choice, Mr. Chairman. The Medical Clinics Ordinance lays down that mobile clinics cannot be re-registered after the end of November 1967, except in special circumstances. Any proper mobile clinics run by registered doctors will, of course, be registered. The other ones, as you are possibly aware, are not mobile, they are much more like static clinics in very ramshackle vehicles. The special circumstances will probably apply to mobile clinics in rural areas, and the doctors who are now permitted to work in other mobile clinics will still be permitted to work in clinics. All we want them to do is to find static premises.

MR. BERNACCHI: - So, in effect an unregistered doctor who is registrable as a doctor in a clinic will be permitted to work in resettlement areas so long as he finds accommodation. Is the present scheme that has come before the Resettlement Policy Select Committee inclusive of that sort of doctor?

DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES: - As far as I am aware, Mr. Chairman, registered doctors are being given the first opportunity, and failing their taking up every available vacancy, the unregistered doctors will be offered the remainder.

MR. BERNACCHI: - So, are Resettlement Estates assured of adequate medical services, at least the same as they are now getting from the mobile clinics?

DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES: - I would say yes, Mr. Chairman.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: - Mr. Chairman, this is my last supplementary. The assurance is given that before mobile clinics are withdrawn there will be an adequate number of clinics to service all our resettlement estates, each and every one of them?

DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES: - As I have said before, I do not know whether the dates will exactly coincide. All I can say is every effort will be made to fill up the quota before the non-re-registration of the mobile clinics becomes effective.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: In that event then, can the Vice-Chairman keep the members of the Management Committee fully informed of the arrangements as they are made from time to time before the end of this year?

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72 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL Page 47 of 259 73 DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES: - From the official number of residents in these estates. One doctor can work for half a day. MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Can I have an answer to the original question? DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES: - I am unable to forecast whether there will be sufficient low-cost clinics of this sort actually inside resettlement estates. There is a large number of clinics surrounding estates, nearby or adjacent. Government has 10 or 11 clinics very near resettlement estates. These are not counted as resettlement estate clinics, because, as you know, the policy is not to provide separate medical services for resettled persons as opposed to the rest of the Colony. They are integrated with the rest of the Colony as regards these services. All I can do, Mr. Chairman, is to assure Mr. CHEONG-LEEN that every effort will be made to put as many clinics as possible in these estates. A good start has already been made. There are 23 clinics, as I have mentioned, already registered under the Medical Clinics Ordinance working inside resettlement estates. MR. CHEONG-LEEN: - This is a very important matter for the public, Mr. Chairman, particularly the residents in the estates, and I would like to get the assurance from the Vice-Chairman that not only will every effort be made, but an assurance should be given that by the time the mobile clinics are withdrawn, there will be a reasonable number of clinics and medical practitioners made available for the residents in resettlement estates, either within the estates or very near to the estates. We should keep in mind too that many of these estates are old estates and it is not easy to make shop spaces available for clinics within these estates, such as Shek Kip Mei and the other old estates. DR. BELL: - Mr. Chairman, could I make a comment on that? It has already been discussed by the Resettlement Policy Select Committee, and I understand that there is no difficulty in finding accommodation for the clinics that are required. MR. CHEONG-LEEN: - Well, that is something which the Policy Committee knows about, but I also think the public should be made aware of it, because we cannot operate behind closed doors and the earlier we can make that known to the public the better it will be. CHAIRMAN: - Mr. CHEONG-LEEN, it would oblige me if you would frame your remarks in the form of a question. MR. BERNACCHI: - Mr. Chairman, I will frame my remarks in the form of a question eventually. I am seriously concerned at the position that would occur if this scheme of medical practitioners operating in clinics falls through, and I would enquire of the Vice-Chairman whether it is intended to stop registration of the existing mobile clinics in resettlement estates, whether or not the alternative scheme in fact works, or whether the intention is to stop registration if the other scheme works? DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES: - I think there is no choice, Mr. Chairman. The Medical Clinics Ordinance lays down that mobile clinics cannot be re-registered after the end of November 1967, except in special circumstances. Any proper mobile clinics run by registered doctors will, of course, be registered. The other ones, as you are possibly aware, are not mobile, they are much more like static clinics in very ramshackle vehicles. The special circumstances will probably apply to mobile clinics in rural areas, and the doctors who are now permitted to work in other mobile clinics will still be permitted to work in clinics. All we want them to do is to find static premises. MR. BERNACCHI: - So, in effect an unregistered doctor who is registrable as a doctor in a clinic will be permitted to work in resettlement areas so long as he finds accommodation. Is the present scheme that has come before the Resettlement Policy Select Committee inclusive of that sort of doctor? DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES: - As far as I am aware, Mr. Chairman, registered doctors are being given the first opportunity, and failing their taking up every available vacancy, the unregistered doctors will be offered the remainder. MR. BERNACCHI: - So, are Resettlement Estates assured of adequate medical services, at least the same as they are now getting from the mobile clinics? DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES: - I would say yes, Mr. Chairman. MR. CHEONG-LEEN: - Mr. Chairman, this is my last supplementary. The assurance is given that before mobile clinics are withdrawn there will be an adequate number of clinics to service all our resettlement estates, each and every one of them? DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES: - As I have said before, I do not know whether the dates will exactly coincide. All I can say is every effort will be made to fill up the quota before the non-re-registration of the mobile clinics becomes effective. MR. CHEONG-LEEN: In that event then, can the Vice-Chairman keep the members of the Management Committee fully informed of the arrangements as they are made from time to time before the end of this year?

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259 72 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL Page 47 of 259 73 DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES:-From the official number of residents in these estates. One doctor can work for half a day. MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Can I have an answer to the original question? DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES:-I am unable to forecast whether there will be sufficient low cost clinics of this sort actually inside resettlement estates. There is a large number of clinics surrounding estates, nearby or adjacent. Government has 10 or 11 clinics very near resettlement estates. These are not counted as resettlement estate clinics, because, as you know, the policy is not to provide a separate medical services for resettled persons as opposed to the rest of the Colony. They are integrated with the rest of the Colony as regards these services. All I can do, Mr. Chairman, is to assure Mr. CHEONG-LEEN that every effort will be made to put as many clinics as possible in these estates. A good start has already been made. There are 23 clinics, as I have mentioned, already registered under the Medical Clinics Ordinance working inside resettlement estates. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-This is a very important matter for the public, Mr. Chairman, particularly the residents in the estates, and I would like to get the assurance from the Vice-Chairman that not only will every effort be made, but an assurance should be given that by the time the mobile clinics are withdrawn, there will be a reasonable number of clinics and medical practitioners made available for the residents in resettlement estates, either within the estates or very near to the estates. We should keep in mind too that many of these estates are old estates and it is not easy to make shop spaces available for clinics within these estates, such as Shek Kip Mei and the other old estates. DR. BELL: -Mr. Chairman, could I make a comment on that? It has already been discussed by the Resettlement Policy Select Com- mittee, and I understand that there is no difficulty in finding accom- modation for the clinics that are required. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Well, that is something which the Policy Committee knows about, but I also think the public should be made aware of it, because we cannot operate behind closed doors and the earlier we can make that known to the public the better it will be. CHAIRMAN:-Mr. CHEONG-LEEN, it would oblige me if you would frame your remarks in the form of a question. MR. BERNACCHI:-Mr. Chairman, I will frame my remarks in the form of a question eventually. I am seriously concerned at the position that would occur if this scheme of medical practitioners operating in clinics falls through, and I would enquire of the Vice-Chairman whether it is intended to stop registration of the existing mobile clinics in reset- tlement estates, whether or not the alternative scheme in fact works, or whether the intention is to stop registration if the other scheme works? DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES:-I think there is no choice, Mr. Chairman. The Medical Clinics Ordinance lays down that mobile clinics cannot be re-registered after the end of November 1967, except in special circumstances. Any proper mobile clinics run by registered doctors will, of course, be registered. The other ones, as you are possibly aware, are not mobile, they are much more like static clinics in very ramshackle vehicles. The special cir- cumstances will probably apply to mobile clinics in rural areas, and the doctors who are now permitted to work in other mobile clinics will still be permitted to work in clinics. All we want them to do is to find static premises. MR. BERNACCHI:-So, in effect an unregistered doctor who is registrable as a doctor in a clinic will be permitted to work in resettle- ment areas so long as he finds accommodation. Is the present scheme that has come before the Resettlement Policy Select Committee inclusive of that sort of doctor? DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES:-As far as I am aware, Mr. Chairman, registered doctors are being given the first opportunity, and failing their taking up every available vacancy, the unregistered doctors will be offered the remainder. MR. BERNACCHI: --So, are Resettlement Estates assured of adequate medical services, at least the same as they are now getting from the mobile clinics? DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES: -I would say yes, Mr. Chairman. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, this is my last supplementary. The assurance is given that before mobile clinics are withdrawn there will be an adequate number of clinics to service all our resettlement estates, each and every one of them? DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES:-As I have said before, I do not know whether the dates will exactly coincide. All I can say is every effort will be made to fill up the quota before the non-re-registration of the mobile clinics becomes effective. MR. CHEONG-LEEN: In that event then, can the Vice-Chairman keep the members of the Management Committee fully informed of the arrangements as they are made from time to time before the end of this year?

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DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES:-From the official number of residents in these estates. One doctor can work for half a day.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Can I have an answer to the original question?

DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES:-I am unable to forecast whether there will be sufficient low cost clinics of this sort actually inside resettlement estates. There is a large number of clinics surrounding estates, nearby or adjacent. Government has 10 or 11 clinics very near resettlement estates. These are not counted as resettlement estate clinics, because, as you know, the policy is not to provide a separate medical services for resettled persons as opposed to the rest of the Colony. They are integrated with the rest of the Colony as regards these services. All I can do, Mr. Chairman, is to assure Mr. CHEONG-LEEN that every effort will be made to put as many clinics as possible in these estates. A good start has already been made. There are 23 clinics, as I have mentioned, already registered under the Medical Clinics Ordinance working inside resettlement estates.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-This is a very important matter for the public, Mr. Chairman, particularly the residents in the estates, and I would like to get the assurance from the Vice-Chairman that not only will every effort be made, but an assurance should be given that by the time the mobile clinics are withdrawn, there will be a reasonable number of clinics and medical practitioners made available for the residents in resettlement estates, either within the estates or very near to the estates. We should keep in mind too that many of these estates are old estates and it is not easy to make shop spaces available for clinics within these estates, such as Shek Kip Mei and the other old estates.

DR. BELL: -Mr. Chairman, could I make a comment on that? It has already been discussed by the Resettlement Policy Select Com- mittee, and I understand that there is no difficulty in finding accom- modation for the clinics that are required.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Well, that is something which the Policy Committee knows about, but I also think the public should be made aware of it, because we cannot operate behind closed doors and the earlier we can make that known to the public the better it will be.

CHAIRMAN:-Mr. CHEONG-LEEN, it would oblige me if you would frame your remarks in the form of a question.

it is intended to stop registration of the existing mobile clinics in reset- tlement estates, whether or not the alternative scheme in fact works, or whether the intention is to stop registration if the other scheme works?

DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES:-I think there is no choice, Mr. Chairman. The Medical Clinics Ordinance lays down that mobile clinics cannot be re-registered after the end of November 1967, except in special circumstances. Any proper mobile clinics run by registered doctors will, of course, be registered. The other ones, as you are possibly aware, are not mobile, they are much more like static clinics in very ramshackle vehicles. The special cir- cumstances will probably apply to mobile clinics in rural areas, and the doctors who are now permitted to work in other mobile clinics will still be permitted to work in clinics. All we want them to do is to find static premises.

MR. BERNACCHI:-So, in effect an unregistered doctor who is registrable as a doctor in a clinic will be permitted to work in resettle- ment areas so long as he finds accommodation. Is the present scheme that has come before the Resettlement Policy Select Committee inclusive of that sort of doctor?

DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES:-As far as I am aware, Mr. Chairman, registered doctors are being given the first opportunity, and failing their taking up every available vacancy, the unregistered doctors will be offered the remainder.

MR. BERNACCHI: --So, are Resettlement Estates assured of adequate medical services, at least the same as they are now getting from the mobile clinics?

DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES: -I would say yes, Mr. Chairman.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, this is my last supplementary. The assurance is given that before mobile clinics are withdrawn there will be an adequate number of clinics to service all our resettlement estates, each and every one of them?

DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES:-As I have said before, I do not know whether the dates will exactly coincide. All I can say is every effort will be made to fill up the quota before the non-re-registration of the mobile clinics becomes effective.

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