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HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL

DR. BELL:- Mr. Chairman, that is not very many people. Is there a chance the Commissioner could perhaps have these people resettled at an earlier date?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- I would be happy to consider resiting them, Mr. Chairman, into Jordan Valley resite area which is nearby and which has an excellent water supply.

MRS. ELLIOTT:- Mr. Chairman, am I allowed to oppose that suggestion? The people cannot afford to re-build their huts. There is also a fire danger, and I hope the Commissioner will not let it rest there.

CHAIRMAN:- Mrs. ELLIOTT, could I say that in answer to question 15 you may find reassurance later on in the meeting.

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- Mr. Chairman, that would be a dangerous suggestion, because although my answer to question 15 does make certain suggestions, I doubt very much if these will apply to the higher ridges in this particular area.

DR. BELL:- Mr. Chairman, I come back to my original question which the Commissioner did not really answer. Would he be prepared to consider resettling these people, not resiting them at an earlier date?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- If a fire lane is required, Mr. Chairman, I would be, but otherwise I have no grounds for resettling them under the existing priorities, because the land is not required for development.

DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, is the health risk in an area where there is insufficient water not sufficient grounds for earlier resettlement?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: Mr. Chairman, one of your Health Officers kindly visited the area recently and assured me that there was insufficient health risk to justify the high cost of installing water.

MRS. ELLIOTT:- Mr. Chairman, may I ask if the Commissioner would himself visit the village and watch the sixty year old women and six year old children carrying water up the hill which took me quite a long time to climb without carrying water?

CHAIRMAN: --Mrs. ELLIOTT, I cannot speak for the Commissioner for Resettlement, but I am prepared to go and watch this myself if you wish.

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(4) MRS. E. ELLIOTT asked the following question:—

Is the Chairman aware of the hardship being caused by the constant resiting of small shopkeepers who fail to qualify for resettlement shops? Can they be given more permanent sites to increase their sense of security?

THE COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT replied as follows : ----

The wording of the question implies that individual shopkeepers are being required to move repeatedly. The short answer is that this is not so. The moves that have been occurring arise from the closure of some resite areas and the conversion of others into Class I or II Licensed Areas under Part VA of the Resettlement Ordinance.

A note giving the background to this matter is tabled for the information of Members.

MRS. ELLIOTT: --Mr. Chairman, I am sorry I have not had time to read the note, but I would just like to ask if some consideration could be given beforehand, some kind of plan, so that people do not go into an area expecting within six months to be pushed out to another area, and so on and so on for evermore, as some people are expressing their weariness at moving around?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- I am not aware that what Mrs. ELLIOTT suggests is in fact happening.

MRS. ELLIOTT : Mr. Chairman, maybe Mr. BARTY is not aware that some people have had at least three moves in the last two years.

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: —I am not aware of that, but I shall be glad to have particulars of such cases.

MR. HU: ---I would ask the Commissioner to clarify the last sentence (paragraph 4) in the Note-"In any case, there would be little opportunity for business so long as nobody is living in the area".

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: ---What I was trying to express there, Mr. Chairman, is that when the domestic occupants of the resite area move away and are resettled, a time lag is bound to occur before that area is re-opened for use as a licensed area. There would, therefore, be little point in somebody keeping open a shop in that area during this intervening period, because there would be nobody there to buy from them.

MR. HU:- Mr. Chairman, is it possible that a person whose shop had been closed twice in a resite area, could not for the third time be given a resettlement shop. Would that be a feasible policy?

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Page 14 of 259 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL DR. BELL:- Mr. Chairman, that is not very many people. Is there a chance the Commissioner could perhaps have these people resettled at an earlier date? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- I would be happy to consider resiting them, Mr. Chairman, into Jordan Valley resite area which is nearby and which has an excellent water supply. MRS. ELLIOTT:- Mr. Chairman, am I allowed to oppose that suggestion? The people cannot afford to re-build their huts. There is also a fire danger, and I hope the Commissioner will not let it rest there. CHAIRMAN:- Mrs. ELLIOTT, could I say that in answer to question 15 you may find reassurance later on in the meeting. COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- Mr. Chairman, that would be a dangerous suggestion, because although my answer to question 15 does make certain suggestions, I doubt very much if these will apply to the higher ridges in this particular area. DR. BELL:- Mr. Chairman, I come back to my original question which the Commissioner did not really answer. Would he be prepared to consider resettling these people, not resiting them at an earlier date? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- If a fire lane is required, Mr. Chairman, I would be, but otherwise I have no grounds for resettling them under the existing priorities, because the land is not required for development. DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, is the health risk in an area where there is insufficient water not sufficient grounds for earlier resettlement? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: Mr. Chairman, one of your Health Officers kindly visited the area recently and assured me that there was insufficient health risk to justify the high cost of installing water. MRS. ELLIOTT:- Mr. Chairman, may I ask if the Commissioner would himself visit the village and watch the sixty year old women and six year old children carrying water up the hill which took me quite a long time to climb without carrying water? CHAIRMAN: --Mrs. ELLIOTT, I cannot speak for the Commissioner for Resettlement, but I am prepared to go and watch this myself if you wish. HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 11 (4) MRS. E. ELLIOTT asked the following question:— Is the Chairman aware of the hardship being caused by the constant resiting of small shopkeepers who fail to qualify for resettlement shops? Can they be given more permanent sites to increase their sense of security? THE COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT replied as follows : ---- The wording of the question implies that individual shopkeepers are being required to move repeatedly. The short answer is that this is not so. The moves that have been occurring arise from the closure of some resite areas and the conversion of others into Class I or II Licensed Areas under Part VA of the Resettlement Ordinance. A note giving the background to this matter is tabled for the information of Members. MRS. ELLIOTT: --Mr. Chairman, I am sorry I have not had time to read the note, but I would just like to ask if some consideration could be given beforehand, some kind of plan, so that people do not go into an area expecting within six months to be pushed out to another area, and so on and so on for evermore, as some people are expressing their weariness at moving around? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:- I am not aware that what Mrs. ELLIOTT suggests is in fact happening. MRS. ELLIOTT : Mr. Chairman, maybe Mr. BARTY is not aware that some people have had at least three moves in the last two years. COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: —I am not aware of that, but I shall be glad to have particulars of such cases. MR. HU: ---I would ask the Commissioner to clarify the last sentence (paragraph 4) in the Note-"In any case, there would be little opportunity for business so long as nobody is living in the area". COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: ---What I was trying to express there, Mr. Chairman, is that when the domestic occupants of the resite area move away and are resettled, a time lag is bound to occur before that area is re-opened for use as a licensed area. There would, therefore, be little point in somebody keeping open a shop in that area during this intervening period, because there would be nobody there to buy from them. MR. HU:- Mr. Chairman, is it possible that a person whose shop had been closed twice in a resite area, could not for the third time be given a resettlement shop. Would that be a feasible policy? Page 15 of 259

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259 ! I ין Page 14 of 259 10 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL DR. BELL:-Mr. Chairman, that is not very many people. Is there a chance the Commissioner could perhaps have these people resettled at an earlier date? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-I would be happy to con- sider resiting them, Mr. Chairman, into Jordan Valley resite area which is nearby and which has an excellent water supply. MRS. ELLIOTT:-Mr. Chairman, am I allowed to oppose that suggestion? The people cannot afford to re-build their huts. There is also a fire danger, and I hope the Commissioner will not let it rest there. CHAIRMAN:-Mrs. ELLIOTT, could I say that in answer to question 15 you may find reassurance later on in the meeting. COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-Mr. Chairman, that would be a dangerous suggestion, because although my answer to question 15 does make certain suggestions, I doubt very much if these will apply to the higher ridges in this particular area. DR. BELL:-Mr. Chairman, I come back to my original question which the Commissioner did not really answer. Would he be prepared to consider resettling these people, not resiting them at an earlier date? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-If a fire lane is required, Mr. Chairman, I would be, but otherwise I have no grounds for re- settling them under the existing priorities, because the land is not required for development. DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, is the health risk in an area where there is insufficient water not sufficient grounds for earlier resettlement? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: Mr. Chairman, one of your Health Officers kindly visited the area recently and assured me that there was insufficient health risk to justify the high cost of installing water. MRS. ELLIOTT:-Mr. Chairman, may I ask if the Commissioner would himself visit the village and watch the sixty year old women and six year old children carrying water up the hill which took me quite a long time to climb without carrying water? CHAIRMAN: --Mrs. ELLIOTT, I cannot speak for the Commissioner for Resettlement, but I am prepared to go and watch this myself if you wish. HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 11 (4) MRS. E. ELLIOTT asked the following question:— Is the Chairman aware of the hardship being caused by the constant resiting of small shopkeepers who fail to qualify for resettlement shops? Can they be given more per- manent sites to increase their sense of security? THE COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT replied as follows : ---- The wording of the question implies that individual shop- keepers are being required to move repeatedly. The short answer is that this is not so. The moves that have been occurring arise from the closure of some re- site areas and the conversion of others into Class I or II Licensed Areas under Part VA of the Resettlement Ordinance. A note giving the background to this matter is tabled for the information of Members. MRS. ELLIOTT: --Mr. Chairman, I am sorry I have not had time to read the note, but I would just like to ask if some consideration could be given beforehand, some kind of plan, so that people do not go into an area expecting within six months to be pushed out to another area, and so on and so on for evermore, as some people are expressing their weariness at moving around? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-I am not aware that what Mrs. ELLIOTT suggests is in fact happening. MRS. ELLIOTT : Mr. Chairman, maybe Mr. BARTY is not aware that some people have had at least three moves in the last two years. COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: —I am not aware of that, but I shall be glad to have particulars of such cases. MR. HU: ---I would ask the Commissioner to clarify the last sen- tence (paragraph 4) in the Note-"In any case, there would be little opportunity for business so long as nobody is living in the area". COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: ---What I was trying to ex- press there, Mr. Chairman, is that when the domestic occupants of the resite area move away and are resettled, a time lag is bound to There occur before that area is re-opened for use as a licensed area. would, therefore, be little point in somebody keeping open a shop in that area during this intervening period, because there would be nobody there to buy from them. MR. HU:-Mr. Chairman, is it possible that a person whose shop had been closed twice in a resite area, could not for the third time be given a resettlement shop. Would that be a feasible policy?

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HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL

DR. BELL:-Mr. Chairman, that is not very many people. Is there a chance the Commissioner could perhaps have these people resettled at an earlier date?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-I would be happy to con- sider resiting them, Mr. Chairman, into Jordan Valley resite area which is nearby and which has an excellent water supply.

MRS. ELLIOTT:-Mr. Chairman, am I allowed to oppose that suggestion? The people cannot afford to re-build their huts. There is also a fire danger, and I hope the Commissioner will not let it rest there.

CHAIRMAN:-Mrs. ELLIOTT, could I say that in answer to question 15 you may find reassurance later on in the meeting.

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-Mr. Chairman, that would be a dangerous suggestion, because although my answer to question 15 does make certain suggestions, I doubt very much if these will apply to the higher ridges in this particular area.

DR. BELL:-Mr. Chairman, I come back to my original question which the Commissioner did not really answer. Would he be prepared to consider resettling these people, not resiting them at an earlier date?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-If a fire lane is required, Mr. Chairman, I would be, but otherwise I have no grounds for re- settling them under the existing priorities, because the land is not required for development.

DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, is the health risk in an area where there is insufficient water not sufficient grounds for earlier resettlement?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: Mr. Chairman, one of your Health Officers kindly visited the area recently and assured me that there was insufficient health risk to justify the high cost of installing

water.

MRS. ELLIOTT:-Mr. Chairman, may I ask if the Commissioner would himself visit the village and watch the sixty year old women and six year old children carrying water up the hill which took me quite a long time to climb without carrying water?

CHAIRMAN: --Mrs. ELLIOTT, I cannot speak for the Commissioner for Resettlement, but I am prepared to go and watch this myself if you wish.

HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL

(4) MRS. E. ELLIOTT asked the following question:—

Is the Chairman aware of the hardship being caused by the constant resiting of small shopkeepers who fail to qualify for resettlement shops? Can they be given more per- manent sites to increase their sense of security?

THE COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT replied as follows : ----

The wording of the question implies that individual shop- keepers are being required to move repeatedly. The

short answer is that this is not so. The moves that have been occurring arise from the closure of some re- site areas and the conversion of others into Class I or II Licensed Areas under Part VA of the Resettlement Ordinance.

A note giving the background to this matter is tabled for the

information of Members.

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-I am not aware that what Mrs. ELLIOTT suggests is in fact happening.

MRS. ELLIOTT : Mr. Chairman, maybe Mr. BARTY is not aware that some people have had at least three moves in the last two years.

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: —I am not aware of that, but I shall be glad to have particulars of such cases.

MR. HU: ---I would ask the Commissioner to clarify the last sen- tence (paragraph 4) in the Note-"In any case, there would be little opportunity for business so long as nobody is living in the area".

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: ---What I was trying to ex- press there, Mr. Chairman, is that when the domestic occupants of the resite area move away and are resettled, a time lag is bound to There occur before that area is re-opened for use as a licensed area. would, therefore, be little point in somebody keeping open a shop in that area during this intervening period, because there would be nobody there to buy from them.

MR. HU:-Mr. Chairman, is it possible that a person whose shop had been closed twice in a resite area, could not for the third time be given a resettlement shop. Would that be a feasible policy?

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