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CHAIRMAN: Sir, this insistence on the past causes me to say that since the formation of the Traffic Advisory Committee the Commissioner of Police has lost certain interests, and powers, but I have not heard him complaining of that.
MR. CHEONG-LEEN: - Mr. Chairman, that is introducing an entirely new matter. (Laughter). I am only concerned with the well-being of members in Resettlement Estates as we are responsible for their well-being, Sir.
MRS. ELLIOTT: - Mr. Chairman, in connexion with Dr. BELL'S question, may I make a request? You may have noticed, Sir, that there are four members of this Council on the Traffic Advisory Committee, two appointed members, one Civic Association and one Reform Club. Would you please clarify whether Government had in mind that we would be representatives of this Council on that Transport Committee?
CHAIRMAN: - Mrs. ELLIOTT, these appointments are personal ones by His Excellency.
MR. CHEONG-LEEN: - In clarification of what Mrs. ELLIOTT has said, insofar as the Civic Association is concerned, the Civic Association was never consulted by anybody in regard to the appointment of Mr. RAFEEK, and therefore he could not have been considered as a Civic Association appointee. He was appointed in an individual capacity.
MR. HU: - Hear, hear. Now Mr. Chairman (Laughter). Excuse my ignorance again. Could you tell this Council formally whether matters concerning transport are within the jurisdiction of this Council or not?
CHAIRMAN: - No, Sir, they are not within the jurisdiction of this Council.
DR. BELL: - Mr. Chairman, a supplementary on that. Should they concern to some extent the public health of the public, surely they are?
CHAIRMAN: Dr. BELL, in these matters, there are always marginal interests, but the main interest is not ours.
MR. HU: Mr. Chairman, do you not think that it is desirable that matters concerning traffic should be within the jurisdiction of this Council? (Laughter).
CHAIRMAN: - Mr. Hu, you are asking for an expression of opinion.
MR. SALES: Sir, may I say how much we admire the way you have answered all these questions as they move further and further away from Standing Orders. You have battled most nobly. I hope that the ladies and Mr. CHEONG-LEEN, when the motion is moved, will put these questions to the Standing Committee of the Whole Council, as suggested by Mr. BERNACCHI. I am only sorry, and I deplore the fact, that the junior members of the Reform Club do not appear to respect the wishes of their Chairman. (Laughter).
MR. BERNACCHI: - I didn't intend to rise on my feet Mr. Chairman, but on a point of clarification, my motion earlier this afternoon was concerned with car parking fees, and not with general public transport problems.
CHAIRMAN: - Thank you, Sir.
MR. SALES: - But generally speaking, the Reform Club members have never been deterred by the subtleties of the text of motions. They could of course put questions on general transport in addition to car parking. I am sure my friend Mr. Henry Hu would be glad to oblige. (Laughter).
(15) MR. H. CHEONG-LEEN asked the following question:-
(a) Will the Chairman please advise how many persons were prosecuted for indiscriminate spitting in public places and public vehicles in the urban areas during the past six months?
(b) Can the Chairman make a statement as to what the Urban Services Department proposes to do to further discourage and reduce indiscriminate spitting in public places and public vehicles during the rest of 1966?
THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES replied as follows:
Regarding the first part of the question, 462 persons have been prosecuted for indiscriminate spitting during the past six months. This was up to February this year. There were another 191 prosecuted in March. All these prosecutions concerned spitting in public places, none involved public vehicles; in respect of the latter, Members will appreciate that co-operation by the staff of public transport companies is necessary for effective action against offenders.
As regards the second part of the question, the anti-spitting patrols of the Hygiene Division, which now operate four times a week in different parts of the city areas in Hong
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CHAIRMAN: Sir, this insistence on the past causes me to say that since the formation of the Traffic Advisory Committee the Com- missioner of Police has lost certain interests, and powers, but I have not heard him complaining of that.
MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, that is introducing an entirely new matter. (Laughter). I am only concerned with the well-being of members in Resettlement Estates as we are responsible for their well-being, Sir.
MRS. ELLIOTT:-Mr. Chairman, in connexion with Dr. BELL'S question, may I make a request? You may have noticed, Sir, that there are four members of this Council on the Traffic Advisory Com- mittee, two appointed members, one Civic Association and one Reform Club. Would you please clarify whether Government had in mind that we would be representatives of this Council on that Transport Committee?
CHAIRMAN: -Mrs. ELLIOTT, these appointments are personal ones by His Excellency.
MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-In clarification of what Mrs. ELLIOTT has said, insofar as the Civic Association is concerned, the Civic Associa- tion was never consulted by anybody in regard to the appointment of Mr. RAFEEK, and therefore he could not have been considered as a Civic Association appointee. He was appointed in an individual capacity.
MR. HU-Hear, hear. Now Mr. Chairman (Laughter). Excuse my ignorance again. Could you tell this Council formally whether matters concerning transport are within the jurisdiction of this Council or not?
CHAIRMAN: --No, Sir, they are not within the jurisdiction of this
Council.
DR. BELL:—Mr. Chairman, a supplementary on that. Should they concern to some extent the public health of the public, surely they are?
CHAIRMAN: Dr. BELL, in these matters, there are always mar- ginal interests, but the main interest is not ours.
MR. HU: Mr. Chairman, do you not think that it is desirable that matters concerning traffic should be within the jurisdiction of this Council? (Laughter).
CHAIRMAN:-Mr. Hu, you are asking for an expression of opinion.
MR. SALES: Sir, may I say how much we admire the way you have answered all these questions as they move further and further
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away from Standing Orders. You have battled most nobly. I hope that the ladies and Mr. CHEONG-LEEN, when the motion is moved, will put these questions to the Standing Committee of the Whole Council, as suggested by Mr. BERNACCHI. I am only sorry, and I deplore the fact, that the junior members of the Reform Club do not appear to respect the wishes of their Chairman. (Laughter).
MR. BERNACCHI:--I didn't intend to rise on my feet Mr. Chairman, but on a point of clarification, my motion earlier this afternoon was concerned with car parking fees, and not with general public transport problems.
CHAIRMAN:-Thank you, Sir.
MR. SALES: -But generally speaking, the Reform Club members have never been deterred by the subleties of the text of motions. They could of course put questions on general transport in addition to car parking. I am sure my friend Mr. Henry Hu would be glad to oblige. (Laughter).
(15) MR. H. CHEONG-LEEN asked the following question:-
(a) Will the Chairman please advise how many persons were prosecuted for indiscriminate spitting in public places and public vehicles in the urban areas during the past six months?
(b) Can the Chairman make a statement as to what the Urban Services Department proposes to do to further discourage and reduce indiscriminate spitting in public places and public vehicles during the rest of 1966?
THE DEPUTY Director of MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES replied as follows:
Regarding the first part of the question, 462 persons have been prosecuted for indiscriminate spitting during the past six months. This was up to February this year. There were another 191 prosecuted in March. All these prosecutions concerned spitting in public places, none involved public vehicles; in respect of the latter, Members will appreciate that co-operation by the staff of public transport companies is necessary for effective action against offenders.
As regards the second part of the question, the anti-spitting patrols of the Hygiene Division, which now operate four times a week in different parts of the city areas in Hong
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