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ment about the time table for the reconstructions of this road junction, which as you are aware, involves the removal of this island. If these road works start later this year, as now seems possible, I am doubtful whether there is much point in spending money now on improving the appearance of this central island, which in its present unfenced state is heavily used by nearby residents on hot summer nights.

DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, may I ask a supplementary question? Did Mr. SALES write that answer himself? (Laughter).

MR. SALES: Sir, may I answer that with your permission? Mr. SALES doesn't believe in exerting himself unduly when simple answers can be given by the Department. That is the purpose of having staff in the Department so that Urban Councillors can devote their time and energy to policy matters. I saw this answer, approved of the answer before it was re-produced.

DR. BELL: I am under the impression—please correct me if I'm wrong—that this island is already fenced. I go past it two or three times every day.

MR. SALES: May I answer that Sir? There appears to me to be some confusion in the ranks of the Reform Club. (Laughter). I leave this matter, whether the island is fenced or not, for the Reform Club to decide at its next committee meeting.

DR. LEE: MR. SALES is introducing a new element in his question.

MR. SALES: Dr. LEE specifically stated in his question "in view of the unfenced turfed traffic island between Castle Peak and Tai Po Roads," and DR. BELL declares at this meeting that she passes this particular point and she believes it is fenced. I think that this matter is beyond the scope of the Council.

DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, may I clarify? It does depend on what you call fencing. (Laughter). You see they have around this island what, I suppose, might be put around a rather corny got-up chicken run or something anywhere else in the world, and it is what passes so many times as fencing in this Colony, but that is what is round this island.

MR. SALES: Sir, may I make a plea for the Department? When Government engages its staff it does not take into account the need for staff to cope with female logic. (Laughter).

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Mr. Chairman, with your permission, do you think that we could have a recess to play the record "Don't fence me in"? (Laughter).

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DR. BELL: In fact, Mr. Chairman, am I to understand from the answer to the supplementary question that work is going to start on this junction at last, this year? Could the Director of Public Works clarify that or MR. SALES clarify that?

CHAIRMAN: It appears, DR. BELL, as though it is not possible to give a definite answer at the moment. The second part of the answer to the original question says "if the roadworks start later this year, as now seems possible."

DR. BELL: Could that be clarified a little more, please, Mr. Chairman?

DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS: I am not in a position to say more than is in here, but I will certainly look it up and give DR. BELL a written answer.

DR. BELL: May I explain to you Mr. Chairman why I am interested in this? I think at more or less regular intervals since 1956 I have asked very similar questions connected with this area, and it has always been "if it is done at the end of this year." This is now 1966, and I think I started asking in 1956.

CHAIRMAN: DR. BELL, would you now ask Question 11?

(11) DR. A. M. S. BELL asked the following question:

Would the Chairman please state whether any supervision is exercised by the Health Staff over the places producing and bottling local honey and whether any sampling of this product is carried out to ensure that it is free from contamination?

THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES replied as follows:

There is no health supervision of apiaries as such, since the keeping of bees, which is regarded as an agricultural activity, does not require a licence; but premises where honey is processed and bottled for sale as food would require a licence as a food factory under the Food Business By-laws.

So far, no food factory, either in the urban areas or in the New Territories, has been licensed for this purpose, and although the health staff is fully aware that bottled honey from various local sources is prepared and offered for

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Page 21 of 279 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL ment about the time table for the reconstructions of this road junction, which as you are aware, involves the removal of this island. If these road works start later this year, as now seems possible, I am doubtful whether there is much point in spending money now on improving the appearance of this central island, which in its present unfenced state is heavily used by nearby residents on hot summer nights. DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, may I ask a supplementary question? Did Mr. SALES write that answer himself? (Laughter). MR. SALES: Sir, may I answer that with your permission? Mr. SALES doesn't believe in exerting himself unduly when simple answers can be given by the Department. That is the purpose of having staff in the Department so that Urban Councillors can devote their time and energy to policy matters. I saw this answer, approved of the answer before it was re-produced. DR. BELL: I am under the impression—please correct me if I'm wrong—that this island is already fenced. I go past it two or three times every day. MR. SALES: May I answer that Sir? There appears to me to be some confusion in the ranks of the Reform Club. (Laughter). I leave this matter, whether the island is fenced or not, for the Reform Club to decide at its next committee meeting. DR. LEE: MR. SALES is introducing a new element in his question. MR. SALES: Dr. LEE specifically stated in his question "in view of the unfenced turfed traffic island between Castle Peak and Tai Po Roads," and DR. BELL declares at this meeting that she passes this particular point and she believes it is fenced. I think that this matter is beyond the scope of the Council. DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, may I clarify? It does depend on what you call fencing. (Laughter). You see they have around this island what, I suppose, might be put around a rather corny got-up chicken run or something anywhere else in the world, and it is what passes so many times as fencing in this Colony, but that is what is round this island. MR. SALES: Sir, may I make a plea for the Department? When Government engages its staff it does not take into account the need for staff to cope with female logic. (Laughter). MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Mr. Chairman, with your permission, do you think that we could have a recess to play the record "Don't fence me in"? (Laughter). HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 21 DR. BELL: In fact, Mr. Chairman, am I to understand from the answer to the supplementary question that work is going to start on this junction at last, this year? Could the Director of Public Works clarify that or MR. SALES clarify that? CHAIRMAN: It appears, DR. BELL, as though it is not possible to give a definite answer at the moment. The second part of the answer to the original question says "if the roadworks start later this year, as now seems possible." DR. BELL: Could that be clarified a little more, please, Mr. Chairman? DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS: I am not in a position to say more than is in here, but I will certainly look it up and give DR. BELL a written answer. DR. BELL: May I explain to you Mr. Chairman why I am interested in this? I think at more or less regular intervals since 1956 I have asked very similar questions connected with this area, and it has always been "if it is done at the end of this year." This is now 1966, and I think I started asking in 1956. CHAIRMAN: DR. BELL, would you now ask Question 11? (11) DR. A. M. S. BELL asked the following question: Would the Chairman please state whether any supervision is exercised by the Health Staff over the places producing and bottling local honey and whether any sampling of this product is carried out to ensure that it is free from contamination? THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES replied as follows: There is no health supervision of apiaries as such, since the keeping of bees, which is regarded as an agricultural activity, does not require a licence; but premises where honey is processed and bottled for sale as food would require a licence as a food factory under the Food Business By-laws. So far, no food factory, either in the urban areas or in the New Territories, has been licensed for this purpose, and although the health staff is fully aware that bottled honey from various local sources is prepared and offered for Page 21 of 279 20 203 Page 22 of 279
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T Page 21 of 279 20 203 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL ment about the time table for the reconstructions of this road junction, which as you are aware, involves the removal of this island. If these road works start later this year, as now seems possible, I am doubtful whether there is much point in spending money now on improving the appearance of this central island, which in its present unfenced state is heavily used by nearby residents on hot summer nights. DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, may I ask a supplementary question? Did Mr. SALES write that answer himself? (Laughter). MR. SALES: Sir, may I answer that with your permission? Mr. SALES doesn't believe in exerting himself unduly when simple answers can be given by the Department. That is the purpose of having staff in the Department so that Urban Councillors can devote their time and energy to policy matters. I saw this answer, approved of the answer before it was re-produced. And, I DR. BELL:-I am under the impression-please correct me if I'm wrong--that this island is already fenced. I go past it two or three times every day. MR. SALES: -May I answer that Sir? There appears to me to be some confusion in the ranks of the Reform Club. (Laughter). I leave this matter, whether the island is fenced or not, for the Reform Club to decide at its next committee meeting. DR. LEE: Mr. SALES is introducing a new element in his question. MR. SALES: Dr. LEE specifically stated in his question "in view of the unfenced turfed traffic island between Castle Peak and Tai Po Roads," and Dr. BELL declares at this meeting that she passes this particular point and she believes it is fenced. I think that this matter is beyond the scope of the Council. DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, may I clarify? It does depend on what you call fencing. (Laughter). You see they have around this island what, I suppose, might be put around a rather corny got-up chicken run or something anywhere else in the world, and it is what passes so many times as fencing in this Colony, but that is what is round this island. MR. SALES: Sir, may I make a plea for the Department? When Government engages its staff it does not take into account the need for staff to cope with female logic. (Laughter). MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, with your permission, do you think that we could have a recess to play the record "Don't fence me in"? (Laughter). HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 21 DR. BELL:-In fact, Mr. Chairman, am I to understand from the answer to the supplementary question that work is going to start on this junction at last, this year? Could the Director of Public Works clarify that or Mr. SALES clarify that? CHAIRMAN:-It appears, Dr. BELL, as though, it is not possible to give a definite answer at the moment. The second part of the answer to the original question says "if the roadworks start later this year, as now seems possible." DR. BELL: Could that be clarified a little more, please, Mr. Chairman? DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS:-I am not in a position to say more than is in here, but I will certainly look it up and give Dr. BELL a written answer. DR. BELL:-May I explain to you Mr. Chairman why I am interested in this? I think at more or less regular intervals since 1956 I have asked very similar questions connected with this area, and it has always been "if it is done at the end of this year." This is now 1966, and I think I started asking in 1956. CHAIRMAN:-Dr. (Laughter). BELL, would you now ask Question 11? (11) DR. A. M. S. BELL asked the following question:- Would the Chairman please state whether any supervision is exercised by the Health Staff over the places producing and bottling local honey and whether any sampling of this product is carried out to ensure that it is free from contamination? THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES replied as follows: There is no health supervision of apiaries as such, since the keeping of bees, which is regarded as an agricultural activity, does not require a licence; but premises where honey is processed and bottled for sale as food would require a licence as a food factory under the Food Business By-laws. So far, no food factory, either in the urban areas or in the New Territories, has been licensed for this purpose, and although the health staff is fully aware that bottled honey from various local sources is prepared and offered for
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ment about the time table for the reconstructions of this road junction, which as you are aware, involves the removal of this island. If these road works start later this year, as now seems possible, I am doubtful whether there is much point in spending money now on improving the appearance of this central island, which in its present unfenced state is heavily used by nearby residents on hot summer nights.

DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, may I ask a supplementary question? Did Mr. SALES write that answer himself? (Laughter).

MR. SALES: Sir, may I answer that with your permission? Mr. SALES doesn't believe in exerting himself unduly when simple answers can be given by the Department. That is the purpose of having staff in the Department so that Urban Councillors can devote their time and energy to policy matters. I saw this answer, approved of the answer before it was re-produced.

And, I

DR. BELL:-I am under the impression-please correct me if I'm wrong--that this island is already fenced. I go past it two or three times every day.

MR. SALES: -May I answer that Sir? There appears to me to be some confusion in the ranks of the Reform Club. (Laughter). I leave this matter, whether the island is fenced or not, for the Reform Club to decide at its next committee meeting.

DR. LEE: Mr. SALES is introducing a new element in his question.

MR. SALES: Dr. LEE specifically stated in his question "in view of the unfenced turfed traffic island between Castle Peak and Tai Po Roads," and Dr. BELL declares at this meeting that she passes this particular point and she believes it is fenced. I think that this matter is beyond the scope of the Council.

DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, may I clarify? It does depend on what you call fencing. (Laughter). You see they have around this island what, I suppose, might be put around a rather corny got-up chicken run or something anywhere else in the world, and it is what passes so many times as fencing in this Colony, but that is what is round this island.

MR. SALES: Sir, may I make a plea for the Department? When Government engages its staff it does not take into account the need for staff to cope with female logic. (Laughter).

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, with your permission, do you think that we could have a recess to play the record "Don't fence me in"? (Laughter).

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DR. BELL:-In fact, Mr. Chairman, am I to understand from the answer to the supplementary question that work is going to start on this junction at last, this year? Could the Director of Public Works clarify that or Mr. SALES clarify that?

CHAIRMAN:-It appears, Dr. BELL, as though, it is not possible to give a definite answer at the moment. The second part of the answer to the original question says "if the roadworks start later this year, as now seems possible."

DR. BELL: Could that be clarified a little more, please, Mr. Chairman?

DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS:-I am not in a position to say more than is in here, but I will certainly look it up and give Dr. BELL a written answer.

DR. BELL:-May I explain to you Mr. Chairman why I am interested in this? I think at more or less regular intervals since 1956 I have asked very similar questions connected with this area, and it has always been "if it is done at the end of this year." This is now 1966, and I think I started asking in 1956.

CHAIRMAN:-Dr.

(Laughter).

BELL, would you now ask Question 11?

(11) DR. A. M. S. BELL asked the following question:-

Would the Chairman please state whether any supervision is exercised by the Health Staff over the places producing and bottling local honey and whether any sampling of this product is carried out to ensure that it is free from contamination?

THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES replied as follows:

There is no health supervision of apiaries as such, since the keeping of bees, which is regarded as an agricultural activity, does not require a licence; but premises where honey is processed and bottled for sale as food would require a licence as a food factory under the Food Business By-laws.

So far, no food factory, either in the urban areas or in the New Territories, has been licensed for this purpose, and although the health staff is fully aware that bottled honey from various local sources is prepared and offered for

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