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shall be doing so in connection with several new estates in the near future.

DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, may I ask if the Commissioner is also aware that for the past ten years the Management Select Committee has not been consulted on the recreational facilities in resettlement estates, in the planning of them or indeed what type of recreation should be there?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: One of our objects is to integrate the resettlement community into the whole community, and recreation facilities are provided for the community as a whole, and not specifically for residents of estates. Nevertheless, I can certainly recall since I have been Commissioner for Resettlement consulting the Management Committee on the development of plans for some estates, including the number and size of recreation grounds. I do not think at that time Dr. BELL was a member of the Council.

DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, would it be possible for these facilities, since they are to be integrated with the urban facilities generally, to be brought up in front of the Parks, Recreation and Amenities Select Committee. Perhaps they have been when I wasn't a member of the Council for I think two years, but to my knowledge they have not been from 1956 to 1962.

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: There is one point, Mr. Chairman, on which I am not very clear myself. In the old estates we try to develop existing facilities, or extend existing playgrounds. We make recommendations to the Urban Services Department, and ask that money should be allocated for this purpose. Whether in fact the Urban Services Department submits these recommendations to the Parks, Recreation and Amenities Select Committee I am not aware.

MR. SALES: May I answer that, Sir, as a matter of course, the Urban Services Department submits to the Parks, Recreation and Amenities Select Committee all proposals for all open space in Hong Kong. This is standard procedure.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Mr. Chairman, can the Commissioner for Resettlement confirm that last year the Management Select Committee was frequently consulted by the Public Works Department, when it came to the planning of the amount of space which would be made available for recreation and amenities in future estates?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: Mr. Chairman, no, I cannot confirm off the cuff. I was on leave for a large part of last year.

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MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Would you confirm that before you went on leave this was the practice—at least when I was a member of that Select Committee?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: Yes, Mr. Chairman, I can confirm that.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Could the Commissioner please confirm too that this practice can be continued?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: Certainly, it is my intention that it should.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Could the Commissioner also please look into the possibility, when such plans are put forward, of also taking steps to ensure that the amount of open space which would be made available in the new resettlement estates will not be less than what is being provided now for present Government low cost housing estates?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: I believe that has always been the case.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: It never used to be the case. If you look round at some of our older estates you will see that the amount of space which was made available for recreation and amenities facilities is much less compared to what is available now in the Government low cost housing estates.

MR. SALES: Sir, if no answer is to be provided—

CHAIRMAN: I would simply say, Sir, that Mr. CHEONG-LEEN has made his point.

MR. SALES: Yes. May I then ask through you, Sir, whether the Commissioner for Resettlement would be prepared to support the proposal that the recreational facilities in resettlement estates should be developed side by side with the buildings themselves, rather than as at present?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: Certainly Mr. Chairman, I have been endeavouring to reach that desirable end for quite a long time.

MR. SALES: Thank you.

DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, could I also ask in view of paragraph 2 of the answer, whether the Commissioner is prepared therefore to support a recent suggestion, or the "Sales Formula" as it has become known, which was put forward in order to lessen the congestion in future?

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shall be doing so in connection with several new estates in the near future.

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: -One of our objects is to integrate the resettlement community into the whole community, and recreation facilities are provided for the community as a whole, and not specifically for residents of estates. Nevertheless, I can certainly recall since I have been Commissioner for Resettlement consulting the Management Committee on the development of plans for some estates, including the number and size of recreation grounds. I do not think at that time Dr. BELL was a member of the Council.

DR. BELL:-Mr. Chairman, would it be possible for these facilities, since they are to be integrated with the urban facilities generally, to be brought up in front of the Parks, Recreation and Amenities Select Committee. Perhaps they have been when I wasn't a member of the Council for I think two years, but to my knowledge they have not been from 1956 to 1962.

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-There is one point, Mr. I know that in Chairman, on which I am not very clear myself. the old estates we try to develop existing facilities, or extend existing playgrounds. We make recommendations to the Urban Services De- partment, and ask that money should be allocated for this purpose. Whether in fact the Urban Services Department submits these recom- mendations to the Parks, Recreation and Amenities Select Committee I am not aware.

MR. SALES: -May I answer that, Sir, as a matter of course, the Urban Services Department submits to the Parks, Recreation and Amenities Select Committee all proposals for all open space in Hong Kong. This is standard procedure.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, can the Commissioner for Resettlement confirm that last year the Management Select Committee was frequently consulted by the Public Works Department, when it came to the planning of the amount of space which would be made available for recreation and amenities in future estates?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-Mr. Chairman, no, I cannot confirm off the cuff. I was on leave for a large part of last year.

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MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Would you confirm that before you went on leave this was the practice-at least when I was a member of that Select Committee?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: -Yes, Mr. Chairman, I can confirm that.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Could the Commissioner please confirm too that this practice can be continued?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: ---Certainly, it is my intention that it should.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:---Could the Commissioner also please look into the possibility, when such plans are put forward, of also taking steps to ensure that the amount of open space which would be made available in the new resettlement estates will not be less than what is being provided now for present Government low cost housing estates? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-I believe that has always been the case.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-It never used to be the case. If you look round at some of our older estates you will see that the amount of space which was made available for recreation and amenities facilities is much less compared to what is available now in the Government low cost housing estates.

MR. SALES: Sir, if no answer is to be provided—

CHAIRMAN:

made his point.

I would simply say, Sir, that Mr. CHEONG-LEEN has

MR. SALES: Yes. May I then ask through you, Sir, whether the Commissioner for Resettlement would be prepared to support the pro- posal that the recreational facilities in resettlement estates should be developed side by side with the buildings themselves, rather than as at present?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-Certainly Mr. Chairman, I have been endeavouring to reach that desirable end for quite a long time.

MR. SALES:-Thank you.

DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, could I also ask in view of para- graph 2 of the answer, whether the Commissioner is prepared there- fore to support a recent suggestion, or the "Sales Formula" as it has become known, which was put forward in order to lessen the congestion in future?

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