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benefit of public sweepers to keep them clean. As I have stated, no-one is responsible for keeping the corridors of the multi-storied buildings clean, and with a lamentable lack of civic pride, the result is a deplorable condition of filth and lack of sanitation which is causing grave concern to those charged with maintaining the high standard of health of the Colony. I appreciate that there is the factor system, but this will take time to implement. As representatives of the public in this Council, however, whose principal function is to ensure cleanliness and sanitation, I feel it our duty to bring before your attention, Mr. Chairman, this unsatisfactory state of affairs, and urge that immediate steps be taken to remedy matters.

"Keep Your City Clean". One of my pet hobbies is the "Keep Your City Clean" campaign, and I am therefore anxious to see that this campaign is kept up throughout the year, because not only can it give the selected districts a good sweeping, but it will also create public spiritedness. The key to success in the past four campaigns held at four selected districts in Hong Kong and Kowloon, lies in the combined efforts of the various Government departments which participated and the residents of the districts concerned. This is indeed a fine demonstration of a famous Chinese saying "Chung Chi Shing Shing", (*) i.e., with combined efforts you can build a city wall.

Last year you may recall I spoke along these lines and I take the liberty to quote again some of my remarks.

"There should be more contact between our people and their Government. This will help to unite the people and the Government more in planning and executing the varied schemes necessary for the continued well-being of Hong Kong".

With these remarks, Sir, I beg to support the motion.

MR. H. M. G. FORSGATE:- Mr. Chairman, with all due respect to the previous speaker I venture to suggest that the worst hazard in Hong Kong is being the final speaker in an Urban Council Debate, because the eloquence of those who have spoken before makes one's own speech seem rather pitiful by comparison. I have now got lots of bits of paper making what I think is a better speech on the subject I have before me.

As the last, and, if I heard Mr. K. S. Lo right, he hopes the very last, of the appointed members, and coming at the very end, did I hear someone say "bitter end" of a two-day series of long speeches, I feel rather akin to the last batsman in a team which has been at the wicket for two long. The crowd is rather bored and waiting impatiently to see the other side bat whilst the opposing fielders are crouched hungrily around the batsman to intimidate him into making a false stroke. Whilst the wicket-keeper, in the shape of the "Third Estate" behind me, is waiting for a chance to stump me or catch a "snick".

But as I do not intend to "stonewall" for twenty minutes or more, I should like to follow my leader's example and refer to matters affecting Hong Kong which interest me, although they may not seem to come entirely within the orbit of this Council.

You may wonder what is left for me to talk about. The scope of the Council's activities has been dealt with by experts. Even its future re-composition or de-composition (Laughter) was recommended. Whilst our eloquent and charming colleagues, Mrs. ELLIOTT and Mr. Henry Hu have displayed a breathtaking grasp of the economic ills that beset us.

However, having observed the ups and downs of our economy over nearly 20 years, I say we have nothing to fear, except fear itself. Mr. LOBO referred to the Health Education Programme. Perhaps our upper floor tenement dwellers should be taught the good old 18th-century Scottish call which the inhabitants of Edinburgh were taught at an early age to cry out before they emptied a bucket on the poor inhabitant below. The call was "Guardez Loo", and translated into Cantonese would be a useful warning cry. Inhabitants should also be taught to recognize the cry from below of "Haud your Haund". (Laughter).

With the choice narrowed down, I decided to use my own field of activity as my subject.

At this stage, Mr. Chairman, just in case my few comments may be misconstrued, as I intend to talk about developments affecting the Port of Hong Kong, may I assure my friend, the Director of Marine, through you, Mr. Chairman, that I have no intention of recommending that his scalp, metaphorically speaking of course, be added to the list of desirable trophies sought by our colleague, Mr. CHEONG-LEEN. The Marine Department is most progressive and far-sighted, and is ably assisted in its deliberations on Policy and problems affecting the Port by two excellent Committees, viz the Port Committee and the Port Executive Committee. I hasten to add with due modesty, that I have the honour to serve on this latter Committee. Although, unlike our Select Committees, these are chaired by an official member, I venture to suggest that a Committee should be judged by the volume and quality of its work, rather than the "cut of the Chairman's jib".

There is one important matter of great concern to the Port of Hong Kong, which in the opinion of all the port users and operators

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T382 Page 264 of 382 506 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL benefit of public sweepers to keep them clean. As I have stated, no-one is responsible for keeping the corridors of the multi-storied buildings clean, and with a lamentable lack of civic pride, the result is a deplorable condition of filth and lack of sanitation which is causing grave concern to those charged with maintaining the high standard of health of the Colony. I appreciate that there is the factor system, but this will take time to implement. As representatives of the public in this Council, however, whose principal function is to ensure cleanliness and sanitation, I feel it our duty to bring before your attention, Mr. Chairman, this unsatisfactory state of affairs, and urge that immediate steps be taken to remedy matters. "Keep Your City Clean". One of my pet hobbies is the "Keep Your City Clean" campaign, and I am therefore anxious to see that this campaign is kept up throughout the year, because not only can it give the selected districts a good sweeping, but it will also create public spiritedness. The key to success in the past four campaigns held at four selected districts in Hong Kong and Kowloon, lies in the combined efforts of the various Government departments which participated and the residents of the districts concerned. This is indeed a fine demonstration of a famous Chinese saying "Chung Chi Shing Shing", (*) i.e., with combined efforts you can build a city wall. Last year you may recall I spoke along these lines and I take the liberty to quote again some of my remarks. "There should be more contact between our people and their Government. This will help to unite the people and the Government more in planning and executing the varied schemes necessary for the continued well-being of Hong Kong". With these remarks, Sir, I beg to support the motion. MR. H. M. G. FORSGATE:- Mr. Chairman, with all due respect to the previous speaker I venture to suggest that the worst hazard in Hong Kong is being the final speaker in an Urban Council Debate, because the eloquence of those who have spoken before makes one's own speech seem rather pitiful by comparison. I have now got lots of bits of paper making what I think is a better speech on the subject I have before me. As the last, and, if I heard Mr. K. S. Lo right, he hopes the very last, of the appointed members, and coming at the very end, did I hear someone say "bitter end" of a two-day series of long speeches, I feel rather akin to the last batsman in a team which has been at the wicket for two long. The crowd is rather bored and waiting impatiently to see the other side bat whilst the opposing fielders are crouched hungrily around the batsman to intimidate him into making a false stroke. Whilst the wicket-keeper, in the shape of the "Third Estate" behind me, is waiting for a chance to stump me or catch a "snick". But as I do not intend to "stonewall" for twenty minutes or more, I should like to follow my leader's example and refer to matters affecting Hong Kong which interest me, although they may not seem to come entirely within the orbit of this Council. You may wonder what is left for me to talk about. The scope of the Council's activities has been dealt with by experts. Even its future re-composition or de-composition (Laughter) was recommended. Whilst our eloquent and charming colleagues, Mrs. ELLIOTT and Mr. Henry Hu have displayed a breathtaking grasp of the economic ills that beset us. However, having observed the ups and downs of our economy over nearly 20 years, I say we have nothing to fear, except fear itself. Mr. LOBO referred to the Health Education Programme. Perhaps our upper floor tenement dwellers should be taught the good old 18th-century Scottish call which the inhabitants of Edinburgh were taught at an early age to cry out before they emptied a bucket on the poor inhabitant below. The call was "Guardez Loo", and translated into Cantonese would be a useful warning cry. Inhabitants should also be taught to recognize the cry from below of "Haud your Haund". (Laughter). With the choice narrowed down, I decided to use my own field of activity as my subject. At this stage, Mr. Chairman, just in case my few comments may be misconstrued, as I intend to talk about developments affecting the Port of Hong Kong, may I assure my friend, the Director of Marine, through you, Mr. Chairman, that I have no intention of recommending that his scalp, metaphorically speaking of course, be added to the list of desirable trophies sought by our colleague, Mr. CHEONG-LEEN. The Marine Department is most progressive and far-sighted, and is ably assisted in its deliberations on Policy and problems affecting the Port by two excellent Committees, viz the Port Committee and the Port Executive Committee. I hasten to add with due modesty, that I have the honour to serve on this latter Committee. Although, unlike our Select Committees, these are chaired by an official member, I venture to suggest that a Committee should be judged by the volume and quality of its work, rather than the "cut of the Chairman's jib". There is one important matter of great concern to the Port of Hong Kong, which in the opinion of all the port users and operators HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 507 Page 265 of 382
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T382 Page 264 of 382 506 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL benefit of public sweepers to keep them clean. As I have stated, no- one is responsible for keeping the corridors of the multi-storied build- ings clean, and with a lamentable lack of civic pride, the result is a deplorable condition of filth and lack of sanitation which is causing grave concern to those charged with maintaining the high standard of health of the Colony. I appreciate that there is the factor system, but this will take time to implement. As representatives of the public in this Council, however, whose principal function is to ensure cleanli- ness and sanitation, I feel it our duty to bring before your attention, Mr. Chairman, this unsatisfactory state of affairs, and urge that im- mediate steps be taken to remedy matters. "Keep Your City Clean". One of my pet hobbies is the "Keep Your City Clean" campaign, and I am therefore anxious to see that this campaign is kept up throughout the year, because not only can it give the selected districts a good sweeping, but it will also create public spiritedness. The key to success in the past four campaign held at four selected districts in Hong Kong and Kowloon, lies in the combined efforts of the various Government departments which participated and the residents of the districts concerned. This is indeed a fine demon- stration of a famous Chinese saying "Chung Chi Shing Shing", (*) i.e. with combined efforts you can build a city wall. Last year you may recall I spoke along these lines and I take the liberty to quote again some of my remarks. "There should be more contact between our people and their Government. This will help to unite the people and the Govern- ment more in planning and executing the varied schemes necessary for the continued well-being of Hong Kong". With these remarks, Sir, I beg to support the motion. MR. H. M. G. FORSGATE:-Mr. Chairman, with all due respect to the previous speaker I venture to suggest that the worst hazard in Hong Kong is being the final speaker in an Urban Council Debate, because of eloquence of those who have spoken before makes ones own speech seem rather pitiful by comparision. I have now got lots of bits of paper making what I think is a better speech on the subject I have before me. As the last, and, if I heard Mr. K. S. Lo right, he hopes the very last, of the appointed members, and coming at the very end, did I hear someone say "bitter end" of a two day series of long speeches, I feel rather akin to the last batsman in a team which has been at the wicket for two long. The crowd is rather bored and waiting impatiently to HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 507 see the other side bat whilst the opposing fielders are crouched hungrily around the batsman to intimidate him into making a false stroke. Whilst the wicket-keeper, in the shape of the "Third Estate" behind me, is waiting for a chance to stump me or catch a "snick". But as I do not intend to "stonewall" for twenty minutes or more, I should like to follow my leaders example and refer to matters affecting Hong Kong which interest me, although they may not seem to come entirely within the orbit of this Council. You may wonder what is left for me to talk about. The scope of the Council's activities has been dealt with by experts. Even its future re-composition or de-composition (Laughter) was recommended. Whilst our eloquent and charming colleagues, Mrs. ELLIOTT and Mr. Henry Hu have displayed a breathtaking grasp of the economic ills that beset us. However, having observed the ups and downs of our economy over nearly 20 years, I say we have nothing to fear, except fear itself. Mr. LOBO referred to the Health Education Programme. Perhaps our upper floor tenement dwellers should be taught the good old 18th century Scottish call which the inhabitants of Edinburgh were taught at an early age to cry out before they emptied a bucket on the poor inhabitant below. The call was "Guardez Loo", and translated into Cantonese would be a useful warning cry. Inhabitants should also be taught to recognize the cry from below of "Haud your Haund". (Laughter). With the choice narrowed down, I decided to use my own field of activity as my subject. At this stage, Mr. Chairman, just in case my few comments may be misconstrued, as I intend to talk about developments affecting the Port of Hong Kong, may I assure my friend, the Director of Marine, through you, Mr. Chairman, that I have no intention of recommending that his scalp, metaphorically speaking of course, be added to the list of desirable trophies sought by our colleague, Mr. CHEONG-LEEN. The Marine Department is most progressive and far sighted, and is ably assisted in its deliberations on Policy and problems affecting the Port by two excellent Committees, viz the Port Committee and the Port Executive Committee. I hasten to add with due modesty, that I have the honour to serve on this latter Committee. Although, unlike our Select Committees, these are chaired by an official member, I venture to suggest that a Committee should be judged by the volume and quality of its work, rather than the "cut of the Chairman's jib". There is one important matter of great concern to the Port of Hong Kong, which in the opinion of all the port users and operators
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"Keep Your City Clean". One of my pet hobbies is the "Keep Your City Clean" campaign, and I am therefore anxious to see that this campaign is kept up throughout the year, because not only can it give the selected districts a good sweeping, but it will also create public spiritedness. The key to success in the past four campaign held at four selected districts in Hong Kong and Kowloon, lies in the combined efforts of the various Government departments which participated and the residents of the districts concerned. This is indeed a fine demon- stration of a famous Chinese saying "Chung Chi Shing Shing", (*) i.e. with combined efforts you can build a city wall.

Last year you may recall I spoke along these lines and I take the liberty to quote again some of my remarks.

"There should be more contact between our people and their Government. This will help to unite the people and the Govern- ment more in planning and executing the varied schemes necessary for the continued well-being of Hong Kong".

With these remarks, Sir, I beg to support the motion.

MR. H. M. G. FORSGATE:-Mr. Chairman, with all due respect to the previous speaker I venture to suggest that the worst hazard in Hong Kong is being the final speaker in an Urban Council Debate, because of eloquence of those who have spoken before makes ones own speech seem rather pitiful by comparision. I have now got lots of bits of paper making what I think is a better speech on the subject I have before me.

As the last, and, if I heard Mr. K. S. Lo right, he hopes the very last, of the appointed members, and coming at the very end, did I hear someone say "bitter end" of a two day series of long speeches, I feel rather akin to the last batsman in a team which has been at the wicket for two long. The crowd is rather bored and waiting impatiently to

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see the other side bat whilst the opposing fielders are crouched hungrily around the batsman to intimidate him into making a false stroke. Whilst the wicket-keeper, in the shape of the "Third Estate" behind me, is waiting for a chance to stump me or catch a "snick".

But as I do not intend to "stonewall" for twenty minutes or more, I should like to follow my leaders example and refer to matters affecting Hong Kong which interest me, although they may not seem to come entirely within the orbit of this Council.

You may wonder what is left for me to talk about. The scope of the Council's activities has been dealt with by experts. Even its future re-composition or de-composition (Laughter) was recommended. Whilst our eloquent and charming colleagues, Mrs. ELLIOTT and Mr. Henry Hu have displayed a breathtaking grasp of the economic ills that beset us.

However, having observed the ups and downs of our economy over nearly 20 years, I say we have nothing to fear, except fear itself. Mr. LOBO referred to the Health Education Programme. Perhaps our upper floor tenement dwellers should be taught the good old 18th century Scottish call which the inhabitants of Edinburgh were taught at an early age to cry out before they emptied a bucket on the poor inhabitant below. The call was "Guardez Loo", and translated into Cantonese would be a useful warning cry. Inhabitants should also be taught to recognize the cry from below of "Haud your Haund". (Laughter).

With the choice narrowed down, I decided to use my own field of activity as my subject.

At this stage, Mr. Chairman, just in case my few comments may be misconstrued, as I intend to talk about developments affecting the Port of Hong Kong, may I assure my friend, the Director of Marine, through you, Mr. Chairman, that I have no intention of recommending that his scalp, metaphorically speaking of course, be added to the list of desirable trophies sought by our colleague, Mr. CHEONG-LEEN. The Marine Department is most progressive and far sighted, and is ably assisted in its deliberations on Policy and problems affecting the Port by two excellent Committees, viz the Port Committee and the Port Executive Committee. I hasten to add with due modesty, that I have the honour to serve on this latter Committee. Although, unlike our Select Committees, these are chaired by an official member, I venture to suggest that a Committee should be judged by the volume and quality of its work, rather than the "cut of the Chairman's jib".

There is one important matter of great concern to the Port of Hong Kong, which in the opinion of all the port users and operators

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