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HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL

MR. SALES: The letter was addressed to you, was it not, Mr. Chairman?

MRS. LI: Sir, unless you rule this out of order, I would like to have my supplementary question answered. May I ask the question through you as Chairman, of the Commissioner for Resettlement. I have been told by the Housing Authority Manager that wire mesh was provided by the Authority with a removable section which can be lowered for cleaning. Would the Commissioner look into this method to consider whether such precautionary measures should be provided for non-Government organizations like the kindergarten or the nursery on the ground floor of the Resettlement Block?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: Mr. Chairman, this really is a matter as to who should pay for the protective wire netting. I am quite willing to allow voluntary agencies to erect this wire netting themselves, but I would wish to give further consideration to the question as to whether Government or public funds should be used to meet this expense.

DR. LEE: I am not aware, Sir, that you have answered my supplementary question. (Laughter)

CHAIRMAN: Would you please repeat the question, Sir?

DR. LEE: I said far more important than the question of bamboo is that tenants of the Resettlement Estates do not fall down and kill themselves.

CHAIRMAN: Sir, I did not get the impression that you had asked a question. (Laughter)

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: I took this for a statement of fact. (Laughter) Mr. Chairman, I also took...

DR. LEE: I said that far more important is what steps have been taken to ensure that resettlers do not fall down and kill themselves. That is the question.

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: I feel sure I could find refuge in Standing Orders again on this. (Laughter) With your permission, Mr. Chairman, I would like to consider this matter separately and give Dr. LEE an answer.

CHAIRMAN: I would like to reply to Mr. Li Yiu-bor's point. I propose to rule at this stage that Mrs. LI's question is in order, but I propose also to look into the matter as the distinction appears to me to be a somewhat fine one. (Laughter)

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MR. LI: Sir, may I refer you to the past copies of the Hansard in which the same question was raised by Mr. P. C. Woo many years ago.

MRS. LI: One more supplementary question. The Commissioner for Resettlement has not seen any serious accident happen, but if it does, who would be responsible for that accident legally? If a child was killed or developed injuries by bamboo poles from upstairs windows coming out from these flats, who would be responsible?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: I think that this is a matter for legal opinion and I am not qualified from that point of view to be able to answer legal points as to who would or would not be responsible for compensation.

(11) MRS. ELLEN LI SHU-PUI asked the following question:

In view of the traffic congestion during peak hours, has any consideration been given to my suggestion that the collection of refuse and street cleansing operations be carried out during early morning hours or late afternoons, especially along busy thoroughfares?

THE CHAIRMAN replied as follows:

Most refuse collection vehicles start work at 6:30 a.m. The first loads are discharged to the barges on the island about one hour later, or one and a half hours later at Gin Drinkers Bay in the case of Kowloon vehicles. In Kowloon, an average of 230 loads are carried daily. These loads are fairly evenly spread over the period between 8 a.m. and 6 p.m. More loads are carried in the forenoon than in the afternoon, as householders and collectors like to clear their rubbish in the early part of the day. The pattern in Hong Kong, where 207 loads are carried daily, is similar to that in Kowloon.

Starting hours are governed by a number of factors; particularly the working hours of private collectors who remove domestic refuse from houses but also the operational hours of public transport on which drivers and crews travel to work. I am not optimistic about obtaining more than a marginal improvement in starting hours in the morning without the provision of special transport for staff, possibly revised conditions of service for night workers, and a change in the pattern of work of the private refuse collectors which is both acceptable to house...

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Page 123 of 382 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL MR. SALES: The letter was addressed to you, was it not, Mr. Chairman? MRS. LI: Sir, unless you rule this out of order, I would like to have my supplementary question answered. May I ask the question through you as Chairman, of the Commissioner for Resettlement. I have been told by the Housing Authority Manager that wire mesh was provided by the Authority with a removable section which can be lowered for cleaning. Would the Commissioner look into this method to consider whether such precautionary measures should be provided for non-Government organizations like the kindergarten or the nursery on the ground floor of the Resettlement Block? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: Mr. Chairman, this really is a matter as to who should pay for the protective wire netting. I am quite willing to allow voluntary agencies to erect this wire netting themselves, but I would wish to give further consideration to the question as to whether Government or public funds should be used to meet this expense. DR. LEE: I am not aware, Sir, that you have answered my supplementary question. (Laughter) CHAIRMAN: Would you please repeat the question, Sir? DR. LEE: I said far more important than the question of bamboo is that tenants of the Resettlement Estates do not fall down and kill themselves. CHAIRMAN: Sir, I did not get the impression that you had asked a question. (Laughter) COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: I took this for a statement of fact. (Laughter) Mr. Chairman, I also took... DR. LEE: I said that far more important is what steps have been taken to ensure that resettlers do not fall down and kill themselves. That is the question. COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: I feel sure I could find refuge in Standing Orders again on this. (Laughter) With your permission, Mr. Chairman, I would like to consider this matter separately and give Dr. LEE an answer. CHAIRMAN: I would like to reply to Mr. Li Yiu-bor's point. I propose to rule at this stage that Mrs. LI's question is in order, but I propose also to look into the matter as the distinction appears to me to be a somewhat fine one. (Laughter) HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL MR. LI: Sir, may I refer you to the past copies of the Hansard in which the same question was raised by Mr. P. C. Woo many years ago. MRS. LI: One more supplementary question. The Commissioner for Resettlement has not seen any serious accident happen, but if it does, who would be responsible for that accident legally? If a child was killed or developed injuries by bamboo poles from upstairs windows coming out from these flats, who would be responsible? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: I think that this is a matter for legal opinion and I am not qualified from that point of view to be able to answer legal points as to who would or would not be responsible for compensation. (11) MRS. ELLEN LI SHU-PUI asked the following question: In view of the traffic congestion during peak hours, has any consideration been given to my suggestion that the collection of refuse and street cleansing operations be carried out during early morning hours or late afternoons, especially along busy thoroughfares? THE CHAIRMAN replied as follows: Most refuse collection vehicles start work at 6:30 a.m. The first loads are discharged to the barges on the island about one hour later, or one and a half hours later at Gin Drinkers Bay in the case of Kowloon vehicles. In Kowloon, an average of 230 loads are carried daily. These loads are fairly evenly spread over the period between 8 a.m. and 6 p.m. More loads are carried in the forenoon than in the afternoon, as householders and collectors like to clear their rubbish in the early part of the day. The pattern in Hong Kong, where 207 loads are carried daily, is similar to that in Kowloon. Starting hours are governed by a number of factors; particularly the working hours of private collectors who remove domestic refuse from houses but also the operational hours of public transport on which drivers and crews travel to work. I am not optimistic about obtaining more than a marginal improvement in starting hours in the morning without the provision of special transport for staff, possibly revised conditions of service for night workers, and a change in the pattern of work of the private refuse collectors which is both acceptable to house... Page 123 of 382 224 225

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152 Page 123 of 382 224 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL MR. SALES: The letter was addressed to you was it not, Mr. Chairman? MRS. LI:-Sir, unless you rule this out of order, I would like to have my supplementary question answered. May I ask the question through you as Chairman, of the Commissioner for Resettlement. I have been told by the Housing Authority Manager that wire mesh was provided by the Authority with a removable section which can be lowered for cleaning. Would the Commissioner look into this method to consider whether such precautionary measures should be provided for non-Government organizations like the kindergarten or the nursery on the ground floor of the Resettlement Block? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-Mr. Chairman, this really is a matter as to who should pay for the protective wire netting. I am quite willing to allow voluntary agencies to erect this wire netting them- selves, but I would wish to give further consideration to the question as to whether Government or public funds should be used to meet this expense. DR. LEE: I am not aware, Sir, that you have answered my supple- mentary question. (Laughter) CHAIRMAN:---Would you please repeat the question, Sir? DR. LEE: -I said far more important than the question of bamboo is that tenants of the Resettlement Estates do not fall down and kill themselves. CHAIRMAN:--Sir, I did not get the impression that you had asked a question. (Laughter) COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: this for a statement of fact. (Laughter) Mr. Chairman, I also took DR. LEE-I said that far more important is what steps have been taken to ensure that resettlers do not fall down and kill themselves. That is the question. COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-I feel sure I could find refuge is Standing Orders again on this. (Laughter) With your permis- sion Mr. Chairman, I would like to consider this matter separately and give Dr. LEE an answer. CHAIRMAN: I would like to reply to Mr. Li Yiu-bor's point. I propose to rule at this stage that Mrs. Lr's question is in order but I propose also to look into the matter as the distinction appears to me to be a somewhat fine one. (Laughter) HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 225 MR. LI: Sir, may I refer you to the past copies of the Hansard in which the same question was raised by Mr. P. C. Woo many years ago. MRS. LI: One more supplementary question. The Commissioner for Resettlement has not seen any serious accident happen, but if it does, who would be responsible for that accident legally? If a child was killed or developed injuries by bamboo poles from upstairs windows coming out from these flats, who would be responsible? COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: I think that this is a matter for legal opinion and I am not qualified from that point of view to be able to answer legal points as to who would or would not be responsible for compensation. (11) MRS. ELLEN LI SHU-PUI asked the following question:- In view of the traffic congestion during peak hours, has any consideration been given to my suggestion that the col- lection of refuse and street cleansing operations be carried out during early morning hours or late afternoons, especially along busy thoroughfares? THE CHAIRMAN replied as follows:- The Most refuse collection vehicles start work at 6.30 a.m. first loads are discharged to the barges on the island about one hour later, or one and a half hours later at Gin Drinkers Bay in the case of Kowloon vehicles. In Kow- loon, an average of 230 loads are carried daily. These loads are fairly evenly spread over the period between 8 a.m. and 6 p.m. More loads are carried in the forenoon than in the afternoon, as householders and collectors like to clear their rubbish in the early part of the day. The pattern in Hong Kong, where 207 loads are carried daily, is similar to that in Kowloon. Starting hours are governed by a number of factors; partic- ularly the working hours of private collectors who remove domestic refuse from houses but also the operational hours of public transport on which drivers and crews travel to work. I am not optimistic about obtaining more than a marginal improvement in starting hours in the morning without the provision of special transport for staff, possibly revised conditions of service for night workers, and a change in the pattern of work of the private refuse collectors which is both acceptable to house-

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HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL

MR. SALES: The letter was addressed to you was it not, Mr. Chairman?

MRS. LI:-Sir, unless you rule this out of order, I would like to have my supplementary question answered. May I ask the question through you as Chairman, of the Commissioner for Resettlement. I have been told by the Housing Authority Manager that wire mesh was provided by the Authority with a removable section which can be lowered for cleaning. Would the Commissioner look into this method to consider whether such precautionary measures should be provided for non-Government organizations like the kindergarten or the nursery on the ground floor of the Resettlement Block?

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-Mr. Chairman, this really is a matter as to who should pay for the protective wire netting. I am quite willing to allow voluntary agencies to erect this wire netting them- selves, but I would wish to give further consideration to the question as to whether Government or public funds should be used to meet this expense.

DR. LEE: I am not aware, Sir, that you have answered my supple- mentary question. (Laughter)

CHAIRMAN:---Would you please repeat the question, Sir?

DR. LEE: -I said far more important than the question of bamboo is that tenants of the Resettlement Estates do not fall down and kill themselves.

CHAIRMAN:--Sir, I did not get the impression that you had asked a question. (Laughter)

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT: this for a statement of fact. (Laughter)

Mr. Chairman, I also took

DR. LEE-I said that far more important is what steps have been taken to ensure that resettlers do not fall down and kill themselves. That is the question.

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-I feel sure I could find refuge is Standing Orders again on this. (Laughter) With your permis- sion Mr. Chairman, I would like to consider this matter separately and give Dr. LEE an answer.

CHAIRMAN: I would like to reply to Mr. Li Yiu-bor's point. I propose to rule at this stage that Mrs. Lr's question is in order but I propose also to look into the matter as the distinction appears to me to be a somewhat fine one. (Laughter)

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MR. LI: Sir, may I refer you to the past copies of the Hansard in which the same question was raised by Mr. P. C. Woo many years

ago.

(11) MRS. ELLEN LI SHU-PUI asked the following question:-

In view of the traffic congestion during peak hours, has any consideration been given to my suggestion that the col- lection of refuse and street cleansing operations be carried out during early morning hours or late afternoons, especially along busy thoroughfares?

THE CHAIRMAN replied as follows:-

The

Most refuse collection vehicles start work at 6.30 a.m.

first loads are discharged to the barges on the island about one hour later, or one and a half hours later at Gin Drinkers Bay in the case of Kowloon vehicles. In Kow- loon, an average of 230 loads are carried daily. These loads are fairly evenly spread over the period between 8 a.m. and 6 p.m. More loads are carried in the forenoon than in the afternoon, as householders and collectors like to clear their rubbish in the early part of the day. The pattern in Hong Kong, where 207 loads are carried daily, is similar to that in Kowloon.

Starting hours are governed by a number of factors; partic- ularly the working hours of private collectors who remove domestic refuse from houses but also the operational hours of public transport on which drivers and crews travel to work. I am not optimistic about obtaining more than a marginal improvement in starting hours in the morning without the provision of special transport for staff, possibly revised conditions of service for night workers, and a change in the pattern of work of the private refuse collectors which is both acceptable to house-

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