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DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES:-Sir, it is a fair reply. (Laughter).

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-It is a matter of opinion, Mr. Chairman. Do you want to take a vote on it? In any case, Mr. Chairman, I would point out that rightly or wrongly the public has been given an impression that the Urban Council and the Urban Services Department are falling down on the job through no fault of their own. As we see it, in an instance like this, which I hope will not happen again, full responsibility and full blame ought to be put on the Government, excluding the Urban Council.

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MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-For the information of the Commissioner for Resettlement, I have unofficially also exchanged views with the responsible officer in the Commissioner of Police's office, and I shall be happy to discuss them with the Commissioner for Resettlement later on.

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-I am thankful for that information, of which I am already aware. (Laughter).

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-That is the purpose of mentioning it now.

(11) MR. H. CHEONG-LEEN asked the following question:-

In recent months, there have been increasing reports in the Chinese press of A-Fei Gang fights involving male and female juvenile delinquents in resettlement estates. During such fights, weapons such as bicycle chains, choppers and flick knives were reportedly used. Has the Commissioner for Resettlement recently had any discussion with the Commissioner of Police on this serious matter, bearing in mind the very high density of population in resettlement estates, and the insufficiency of schools, community centres and youth clubs in these estates? Has the Commissioner for Resettlement discussed this matter recently with the Colonial Secretary; if so, what is the view of Government on this subject? If not, will the Commissioner for Resettlement please be good enough to take this matter up with the Colonial Secretary-in view of the deep concern among a large number of families living in our resettlement estates on the rising intensity of A-Fei Gang activity in their midst and advise this Council of Government's views at this Council meeting or at a later meeting?

THE COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT replied as follows:-

Sir, I have not discussed this question with the Police in any detail since last June when you asked a question on the same subject. Nor have I raised the matter with the Secretariat. But I am aware that the Police are giving active and specialized attention to the problem of juvenile delinquency generally. I have asked the Commissioner of Police whether he can provide any more information on this question, in relation to Resettlement Estates, which I can circulate to Members. I have also asked the Colonial Secretary whether he will similarly communicate Government's views on this subject.

(12) MR. H. CHEONG-LEEN asked the following question:-

In order to enable members of the public who do not speak English to follow the proceedings of Urban Council Meetings, will the Chairman please inquire from Government Information Services whether or not they can make available the services of an experienced interpreter and the appropriate equipment for the purpose? If Government Information Services are unable to do so, will the Chairman agree to have this matter referred to the Standing Committee of the Whole so that the Committee may consider what steps can be taken to implement this suggestion?

THE CHAIRMAN replied as follows:-

The answer is in the affirmative. An inquiry has been addressed to the Director of Information Services and I will let you know, Sir, the terms of his reply as soon as it is available.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Thank you for your reply, Mr. Chairman. May I point out that I am not trying to steal Mr. BERNACCHI's thunder, because my question refers to an entirely separate subject and on a different plane.

(13) MRS. E. ELLIOTT asked the following question:-

(a) Could you tell us how often the City Hall Lecture rooms are used in the evenings for lectures, classes, and examinations in connection with Government Departments?

(b) Is there any likelihood of additional lecture rooms being made available to the general public in the near future?

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DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES:-Sir, it is a fair reply. (Laughter).

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-It is a matter of opinion, Mr. Chairman. Do you want to take a vote on it? In any case, Mr. Chairman, I would point out that rightly or wrongly the public has been given an impression that the Urban Council and the Urban Services Department are falling down on the job through no fault of their own. As we see it, in an instance like this, which I hope will not happen again, full responsibility and full blame ought to be put on the Government, excluding the Urban Council.

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MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-For the information of the Commissioner for Resettlement, I have unofficially also exchanged views with the responsible officer in the Commissioner of Police's office, and I shall be happy to discuss them with the Commissioner for Resettlement later on.

COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-I am thankful for that information, of which I am already aware. (Laughter).

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-That is the purpose of mentioning it now.

(11) MR. H. CHEONG-LEEN asked the following question:-

In recent months, there have been increasing reports in the Chinese press of A-Fei Gang fights involving male and female juvenile delinquents in resettlement estates. During such fights, weapons such as bicycle chains, choppers and flick knives were reportedly used. Has the Commissioner for Resettlement recently had any discussion with the Commissioner of Police on this serious matter, bearing in mind the very high density of population in resettlement estates, and the insufficiency of schools, community centres and youth clubs in these estates? Has the Commissioner for Resettlement discussed this matter recently with the Colonial Secretary; if so, what is the view of Government on this subject? If not, will the Commissioner for Resettlement please be good enough to take this matter up with the Colonial Secretary-in view of the deep concern among a large number of families living in our resettlement estates on the rising intensity of A-Fei Gang activity in their midst and advise this Council of Government's views at this Council meeting or at a later meeting?

THE COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT replied as follows:-

Sir, I have not discussed this question with the Police in any detail since last June when you asked a question on the same subject. Nor have I raised the matter with the Secretariat. But I am aware that the Police are giving active and specialized attention to the problem of juvenile delinquency generally. I have asked the Commissioner of Police whether he can provide any more information on this question, in relation to Resettlement Estates, which I can circulate to Members. I have also asked the Colonial Secretary whether he will similarly communicate Government's views on this subject.

(12) MR. H. CHEONG-LEEN asked the following question:-

In order to enable members of the public who do not speak English to follow the proceedings of Urban Council Meetings, will the Chairman please inquire from Government Information Services whether or not they can make available the services of an experienced interpreter and the appropriate equipment for the purpose? If Government Information Services are unable to do so, will the Chairman agree to have this matter referred to the Standing Committee of the Whole so that the Committee may consider what steps can be taken to implement this suggestion?

THE CHAIRMAN replied as follows:-

The answer is in the affirmative. An inquiry has been addressed to the Director of Information Services and I will let you know, Sir, the terms of his reply as soon as it is available.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Thank you for your reply, Mr. Chairman. May I point out that I am not trying to steal Mr. BERNACCHI's thunder, because my question refers to an entirely separate subject and on a different plane.

(13) MRS. E. ELLIOTT asked the following question:-

(a) Could you tell us how often the City Hall Lecture rooms are used in the evenings for lectures, classes, and examinations in connection with Government Departments?

(b) Is there any likelihood of additional lecture rooms being made available to the general public in the near future?

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Page 153 of 312 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES:-Sir, it is a fair reply. (Laughter). MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-It is a matter of opinion, Mr. Chairman. Do you want to take a vote on it? In any case, Mr. Chairman, I would point out that rightly or wrongly the public has been given an impression that the Urban Council and the Urban Services Department are falling down on the job through no fault of their own. As we see it, in an instance like this, which I hope will not happen again, full responsibility and full blame ought to be put on the Government, excluding the Urban Council. HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-For the information of the Commissioner for Resettlement, I have unofficially also exchanged views with the responsible officer in the Commissioner of Police's office, and I shall be happy to discuss them with the Commissioner for Resettlement later on. COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-I am thankful for that information, of which I am already aware. (Laughter). MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-That is the purpose of mentioning it now. (11) MR. H. CHEONG-LEEN asked the following question:- In recent months, there have been increasing reports in the Chinese press of A-Fei Gang fights involving male and female juvenile delinquents in resettlement estates. During such fights, weapons such as bicycle chains, choppers and flick knives were reportedly used. Has the Commissioner for Resettlement recently had any discussion with the Commissioner of Police on this serious matter, bearing in mind the very high density of population in resettlement estates, and the insufficiency of schools, community centres and youth clubs in these estates? Has the Commissioner for Resettlement discussed this matter recently with the Colonial Secretary; if so, what is the view of Government on this subject? If not, will the Commissioner for Resettlement please be good enough to take this matter up with the Colonial Secretary-in view of the deep concern among a large number of families living in our resettlement estates on the rising intensity of A-Fei Gang activity in their midst and advise this Council of Government's views at this Council meeting or at a later meeting? THE COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT replied as follows:- Sir, I have not discussed this question with the Police in any detail since last June when you asked a question on the same subject. Nor have I raised the matter with the Secretariat. But I am aware that the Police are giving active and specialized attention to the problem of juvenile delinquency generally. I have asked the Commissioner of Police whether he can provide any more information on this question, in relation to Resettlement Estates, which I can circulate to Members. I have also asked the Colonial Secretary whether he will similarly communicate Government's views on this subject. (12) MR. H. CHEONG-LEEN asked the following question:- In order to enable members of the public who do not speak English to follow the proceedings of Urban Council Meetings, will the Chairman please inquire from Government Information Services whether or not they can make available the services of an experienced interpreter and the appropriate equipment for the purpose? If Government Information Services are unable to do so, will the Chairman agree to have this matter referred to the Standing Committee of the Whole so that the Committee may consider what steps can be taken to implement this suggestion? THE CHAIRMAN replied as follows:- The answer is in the affirmative. An inquiry has been addressed to the Director of Information Services and I will let you know, Sir, the terms of his reply as soon as it is available. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Thank you for your reply, Mr. Chairman. May I point out that I am not trying to steal Mr. BERNACCHI's thunder, because my question refers to an entirely separate subject and on a different plane. (13) MRS. E. ELLIOTT asked the following question:- (a) Could you tell us how often the City Hall Lecture rooms are used in the evenings for lectures, classes, and examinations in connection with Government Departments? (b) Is there any likelihood of additional lecture rooms being made available to the general public in the near future? 282 283 Page 153 of 312 should be revised to 282 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL ... 283 ... Page 153 of 312 Here is the corrected version: 282 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES:-Sir, it is a fair reply. (Laughter). MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-It is a matter of opinion, Mr. Chairman. Do you want to take a vote on it? In any case, Mr. Chairman, I would point out that rightly or wrongly the public has been given an impression that the Urban Council and the Urban Services Department are falling down on the job through no fault of their own. As we see it, in an instance like this, which I hope will not happen again, full responsibility and full blame ought to be put on the Government, excluding the Urban Council. HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-For the information of the Commissioner for Resettlement, I have unofficially also exchanged views with the responsible officer in the Commissioner of Police's office, and I shall be happy to discuss them with the Commissioner for Resettlement later on. COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-I am thankful for that information, of which I am already aware. (Laughter). MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-That is the purpose of mentioning it now. (11) MR. H. CHEONG-LEEN asked the following question:- In recent months, there have been increasing reports in the Chinese press of A-Fei Gang fights involving male and female juvenile delinquents in resettlement estates. During such fights, weapons such as bicycle chains, choppers and flick knives were reportedly used. Has the Commissioner for Resettlement recently had any discussion with the Commissioner of Police on this serious matter, bearing in mind the very high density of population in resettlement estates, and the insufficiency of schools, community centres and youth clubs in these estates? Has the Commissioner for Resettlement discussed this matter recently with the Colonial Secretary; if so, what is the view of Government on this subject? If not, will the Commissioner for Resettlement please be good enough to take this matter up with the Colonial Secretary-in view of the deep concern among a large number of families living in our resettlement estates on the rising intensity of A-Fei Gang activity in their midst and advise this Council of Government's views at this Council meeting or at a later meeting? THE COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT replied as follows:- Sir, I have not discussed this question with the Police in any detail since last June when you asked a question on the same subject. Nor have I raised the matter with the Secretariat. But I am aware that the Police are giving active and specialized attention to the problem of juvenile delinquency generally. I have asked the Commissioner of Police whether he can provide any more information on this question, in relation to Resettlement Estates, which I can circulate to Members. I have also asked the Colonial Secretary whether he will similarly communicate Government's views on this subject. (12) MR. H. CHEONG-LEEN asked the following question:- In order to enable members of the public who do not speak English to follow the proceedings of Urban Council Meetings, will the Chairman please inquire from Government Information Services whether or not they can make available the services of an experienced interpreter and the appropriate equipment for the purpose? If Government Information Services are unable to do so, will the Chairman agree to have this matter referred to the Standing Committee of the Whole so that the Committee may consider what steps can be taken to implement this suggestion? THE CHAIRMAN replied as follows:- The answer is in the affirmative. An inquiry has been addressed to the Director of Information Services and I will let you know, Sir, the terms of his reply as soon as it is available. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Thank you for your reply, Mr. Chairman. May I point out that I am not trying to steal Mr. BERNACCHI's thunder, because my question refers to an entirely separate subject and on a different plane. (13) MRS. E. ELLIOTT asked the following question:- (a) Could you tell us how often the City Hall Lecture rooms are used in the evenings for lectures, classes, and examinations in connection with Government Departments? (b) Is there any likelihood of additional lecture rooms being made available to the general public in the near future? 283 Page 153 of 312
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312 Page 153 of 312 282 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES:-Sir, it is a fair reply. (Laughter). MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-It is a matter of opinion, Mr. Chairman. Do you want to take a vote on it? In any case, Mr. Chairman, I would point out that rightly or wrongly the public has been given an impression that the Urban Council and the Urban Services Department are falling down on the job through no fault of their own. As we see it, in an instance like this, which I hope will not happen again, full respon- sibility and full blame ought to be put on the Government, excluding the Urban Council. HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 283 MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-For the information of the Commissioner for Resettlement, I have unofficially also exchanged views with the res- ponsible officer in the Commissioner of Police's office, and I shall be happy to discuss them with the Commissioner for Resettlement later on. COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-I am thankful for that in- formation, of which I am already aware. (Laughter). MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-That is the purpose of mentioning it now. (11) MR. H. CHEONG-LEEN asked the following question :- In recent months, there have been increasing reports in the Chinese press of A-Fei Gang fights involving male and female juvenile delinquents in resettlement estates. During such fights, weapons such as bicycle chains, choppers and flick knives were reportedly used. Has the Commissioner for Resettlement recently had any discussion with the Commissioner of Police on this serious matter, bearing in mind the very high density of population in resettlement estates, and the insufficiency of schools, community cen- tres and youth clubs in these estates? Has the Commis- sioner for Resettlement discussed this matter recently with the Colonial Secretary; if so, what is the view of Govern- ment on this subject? If not, will the Commissioner for Resettlement please be good enough to take this matter up with the Colonial Secretary-in view of the deep con- cern among a large number of families living in our re- settlement estates on the rising intensity of A-Fei Gang activity in their midst and advise this Council of Govern- ment's views at this Council meeting or at a later meeting? THE COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT replied as follows : - Sir, I have not discussed this question with the Police in any detail since last June when you asked a question on the same subject. Nor have I raised the matter with the Secretariat. But I am aware that the Police are giving active and specialized attention to the problem of juvenile delinquency generally. I have asked the Commissioner of Police whether he can provide any more information on this question, in relation to Resettlement Estates, which I can circulate to Members. I have also asked the Colonial Secretary whether he will similarly communicate Government's views on this subject. (12) MR. H. CHEONG-LEEN asked the following question:- In order to enable members of the public who do not speak English to follow the proceedings of Urban Council Meetings, will the Chairman please inquire from Govern- ment Information Services whether or not they can make available the services of an experienced interpreter and the appropriate equipment for the purpose? If Govern- ment Information Services are unable to do so, will the Chairman agree to have this matter referred to the Standing Committee of the Whole so that the Committee may consider what steps can be taken to implement this suggestion? THE CHAIRMAN replied as follows:- The answer is in the affirmative. An inquiry has been addressed to the Director of Information Services and I will let you know, Sir, the terms of his reply as soon as it is available. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Thank you for your reply, Mr. Chairman. May I point out that I am not trying to steal Mr. BERNACCHI's thunder, because my question refers to an entirely separate subject and on a different plane. (13) MRS. E. ELLIOTT asked the following question:- (a) Could you tell us how often the City Hall Lecture rooms are used in the evenings for lectures classes, and examina- tions in connexion with Government Departments? (b) Is there any likelihood of additional lecture rooms being made available to the general public in the near future?
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DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES:-Sir, it is a fair reply. (Laughter).

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-It is a matter of opinion, Mr. Chairman. Do you want to take a vote on it? In any case, Mr. Chairman, I would point out that rightly or wrongly the public has been given an impression that the Urban Council and the Urban Services Department are falling down on the job through no fault of their own. As we see it, in an instance like this, which I hope will not happen again, full respon- sibility and full blame ought to be put on the Government, excluding the Urban Council.

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MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-For the information of the Commissioner for Resettlement, I have unofficially also exchanged views with the res- ponsible officer in the Commissioner of Police's office, and I shall be happy to discuss them with the Commissioner for Resettlement later on. COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT:-I am thankful for that in- formation, of which I am already aware. (Laughter).

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-That is the purpose of mentioning it now.

(11) MR. H. CHEONG-LEEN asked the following question :-

In recent months, there have been increasing reports in the Chinese press of A-Fei Gang fights involving male and female juvenile delinquents in resettlement estates. During such fights, weapons such as bicycle chains, choppers and flick knives were reportedly used. Has the Commissioner for Resettlement recently had any discussion with the Commissioner of Police on this serious matter, bearing in mind the very high density of population in resettlement estates, and the insufficiency of schools, community cen- tres and youth clubs in these estates? Has the Commis- sioner for Resettlement discussed this matter recently with the Colonial Secretary; if so, what is the view of Govern- ment on this subject? If not, will the Commissioner for Resettlement please be good enough to take this matter up with the Colonial Secretary-in view of the deep con- cern among a large number of families living in our re- settlement estates on the rising intensity of A-Fei Gang activity in their midst and advise this Council of Govern- ment's views at this Council meeting or at a later meeting? THE COMMISSIONER FOR RESETTLEMENT replied as follows : -

Sir, I have not discussed this question with the Police in any detail since last June when you asked a question on the same subject. Nor have I raised the matter with the Secretariat. But I am aware that the Police are giving active and specialized attention to the problem of juvenile delinquency generally. I have asked the Commissioner of Police whether he can provide any more information on this question, in relation to Resettlement Estates, which I can circulate to Members. I have also asked the Colonial Secretary whether he will similarly communicate Government's views on this subject.

(12) MR. H. CHEONG-LEEN asked the following question:-

In order to enable members of the public who do not speak English to follow the proceedings of Urban Council Meetings, will the Chairman please inquire from Govern- ment Information Services whether or not they can make available the services of an experienced interpreter and the appropriate equipment for the purpose? If Govern- ment Information Services are unable to do so, will the Chairman agree to have this matter referred to the Standing Committee of the Whole so that the Committee may consider what steps can be taken to implement this suggestion?

THE CHAIRMAN replied as follows:-

The answer is in the affirmative. An inquiry has been addressed to the Director of Information Services and I will let you know, Sir, the terms of his reply as soon as it is available.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Thank you for your reply, Mr. Chairman. May I point out that I am not trying to steal Mr. BERNACCHI's thunder, because my question refers to an entirely separate subject and on a different plane.

(13) MRS. E. ELLIOTT asked the following question:-

(a) Could you tell us how often the City Hall Lecture rooms are used in the evenings for lectures classes, and examina- tions in connexion with Government Departments?

(b) Is there any likelihood of additional lecture rooms being made available to the general public in the near future?

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