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Control Force Sub-Inspector, a candidate must have reached the age of 25 before he can be considered for his post. In addition, he should have had supervisory experience in a disciplined force. The last two persons engaged as Sub-Inspectors were 26 and 29 years old respectively. The minimum age laid down for appointment as a Student Health Inspector is 18, so that by the time he qualifies he enters the salary scale for Health Inspector Class II at $680 a month when he is 21. Thus, by the age of 25 he could reach $880 a month in the scale, the same point as the starting salary of a Hawker Control Force Sub-Inspector.

(e) A further review of the staff requirements of the Health Inspectorate will be made in time for the 1965-66 Estimates that is, a year from now. A paper on recommendations to be made to the Colonial Secretariat next year will be sent to the Estimates Select Committee for consideration about the middle of 1964.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:- Mr. Chairman, do you agree that there is a shortage of Health Inspectors in the Inspectorate?

CHAIRMAN:- No, Sir, I do not.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:- You do not, Mr. Chairman? May I refer to the answer to a supplementary question at a previous meeting- I think it must be last month or the month before that--wherein it was definitely stated that there was a shortage of staff in the Inspectorate.

CHAIRMAN:- Sir, I have referred to the point at (a) in my answer, the second paragraph of which begins: "I regret that some misconception may have arisen from supplementary questions asked at the meeting of this Council on 1st October."

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:- Misconception in what respect, Mr. Chairman? Would you please be explicit?

CHAIRMAN:- Sir, I will be as explicit as I can. The misconception, which I think you entertain, was that there was a shortage of Inspectors and difficulty in recruiting Student Health Inspectors. In fact, I do not think that that was the case.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:- I beg your pardon, Mr. Chairman. In my supplementary question at that time I asked the Chairman whether there was a shortage of staff in the Inspectorate and the reply was in the positive. But to go on, Mr. Chairman, may I refer to section (b) of your reply in which you said that there does exist a sense of disappointment. Are you sure that it is not a sense of grievance?

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CHAIRMAN:- Sir, the distinction may be a fine one, but I do not wish to elaborate on the statement which I have already made.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:- May I ask then, Mr. Chairman, in what manner does this sense of disappointment exist? Would you please elaborate? I think a rather general statement is given in your reply.

CHAIRMAN:- Sir, I can inform you that certain representations have been made from time to time over the past few years by the Health Inspectorate through their Association, which is the Hong Kong Public Health Inspectors' Association. In the normal way these representations have received careful consideration in the Department and also in the Colonial Secretariat. One set of representations is currently under consideration.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:- I assume you are using your other capacity, Mr. Chairman, in answering this, which is the Director of Urban Services. May I ask you as Chairman of the Urban Council whether you think it is appropriate that the position regarding these negotiations should be brought to the attention of Members of this Council first by way of information and second for further discussion if necessary.

CHAIRMAN:- I would like to have notice of your question and give you an answer later.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:- But, Mr. Chairman, I have already asked the question.

CHAIRMAN:- I wish to consider the matter and convey an answer to you after this meeting.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: One final question, Mr. Chairman. Do I understand that a Health Inspector must reach the age of 25 before he is eligible to receive a salary of $880 a month?

CHAIRMAN: In terms of the new grade it would be a normal progression to reach that salary at the age of 25.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:- Has the Department considered whether or not that is a rather inflexible sort of arrangement?

CHAIRMAN:- I would like to give you a reply on that point later, Sir.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:- Thank you.

MOTIONS.

MR. B. A. BERNACCHI, Chairman of the Markets Select Committee, moved the following motion:

That the Public Market (Amendment) (No. 2) By-laws, 1963 be made under Section 80 of the Public Health and Urban Services Ordinance, 1960.

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Page 122 of 194 226 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL Control Force Sub-Inspector, a candidate must have reached the age of 25 before he can be considered for his post. In addition, he should have had supervisory experience in a disciplined force. The last two persons engaged as Sub-Inspectors were 26 and 29 years old respectively. The minimum age laid down for appointment as a Student Health Inspector is 18, so that by the time he qualifies he enters the salary scale for Health Inspector Class II at $680 a month when he is 21. Thus, by the age of 25 he could reach $880 a month in the scale, the same point as the starting salary of a Hawker Control Force Sub-Inspector. (e) A further review of the staff requirements of the Health Inspectorate will be made in time for the 1965-66 Estimates that is, a year from now. A paper on recommendations to be made to the Colonial Secretariat next year will be sent to the Estimates Select Committee for consideration about the middle of 1964. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:- Mr. Chairman, do you agree that there is a shortage of Health Inspectors in the Inspectorate? CHAIRMAN:- No, Sir, I do not. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:- You do not, Mr. Chairman? May I refer to the answer to a supplementary question at a previous meeting- I think it must be last month or the month before that--wherein it was definitely stated that there was a shortage of staff in the Inspectorate. CHAIRMAN:- Sir, I have referred to the point at (a) in my answer, the second paragraph of which begins: "I regret that some misconception may have arisen from supplementary questions asked at the meeting of this Council on 1st October." MR. CHEONG-LEEN:- Misconception in what respect, Mr. Chairman? Would you please be explicit? CHAIRMAN:- Sir, I will be as explicit as I can. The misconception, which I think you entertain, was that there was a shortage of Inspectors and difficulty in recruiting Student Health Inspectors. In fact, I do not think that that was the case. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:- I beg your pardon, Mr. Chairman. In my supplementary question at that time I asked the Chairman whether there was a shortage of staff in the Inspectorate and the reply was in the positive. But to go on, Mr. Chairman, may I refer to section (b) of your reply in which you said that there does exist a sense of disappointment. Are you sure that it is not a sense of grievance? HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 227 CHAIRMAN:- Sir, the distinction may be a fine one, but I do not wish to elaborate on the statement which I have already made. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:- May I ask then, Mr. Chairman, in what manner does this sense of disappointment exist? Would you please elaborate? I think a rather general statement is given in your reply. CHAIRMAN:- Sir, I can inform you that certain representations have been made from time to time over the past few years by the Health Inspectorate through their Association, which is the Hong Kong Public Health Inspectors' Association. In the normal way these representations have received careful consideration in the Department and also in the Colonial Secretariat. One set of representations is currently under consideration. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:- I assume you are using your other capacity, Mr. Chairman, in answering this, which is the Director of Urban Services. May I ask you as Chairman of the Urban Council whether you think it is appropriate that the position regarding these negotiations should be brought to the attention of Members of this Council first by way of information and second for further discussion if necessary. CHAIRMAN:- I would like to have notice of your question and give you an answer later. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:- But, Mr. Chairman, I have already asked the question. CHAIRMAN:- I wish to consider the matter and convey an answer to you after this meeting. MR. CHEONG-LEEN: One final question, Mr. Chairman. Do I understand that a Health Inspector must reach the age of 25 before he is eligible to receive a salary of $880 a month? CHAIRMAN: In terms of the new grade it would be a normal progression to reach that salary at the age of 25. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:- Has the Department considered whether or not that is a rather inflexible sort of arrangement? CHAIRMAN:- I would like to give you a reply on that point later, Sir. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:- Thank you. MOTIONS. MR. B. A. BERNACCHI, Chairman of the Markets Select Committee, moved the following motion: That the Public Market (Amendment) (No. 2) By-laws, 1963 be made under Section 80 of the Public Health and Urban Services Ordinance, 1960. Page 123 of 194

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of 194 Page 122 of 194 226 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL Control Force Sub-Inspector, a candidate must have reached the age of 25 before he can be considered for his post. In addition, he should have had supervisory experi- ence in a disciplined force. The last two persons engaged as Sub-Inspectors were 26 and 29 years old respectively. The minimum age laid down for appointment as a Student Health Inspector is 18, so that by the time he qualifies he enters the salary scale for Health Inspector Class II at $680 a month when he is 21. Thus, by the age of 25 he could reach $880 a month in the scale, the same point as the starting salary of a Hawker Control Force Sub- Inspector. (e) A further review of the staff requirements of the Health Inspectorate will be made in time for the 1965-66 Estimates that is, a year from now. A paper on recom- mendations to be made to the Colonial Secretariat next year will be sent to the Estimates Select Committee for consideration about the middle of 1964. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, do you agree that there is a shortage of Health Inspectors in the Inspectorate? CHAIRMAN: -No, Sir, I do not. MR. CHEONG-LEEN: -You do not, Mr. Chairman? May I refer to the answer to a supplementary question at a previous meeting- I think it must be last month or the month before that--wherein it was definitely stated that there was a shortage of staff in the Inspectorate. CHAIRMAN: --Sir, I have referred to the point at (a) in my answer, the second paragraph of which begins: "I regret that some misconcep- tion may have arisen from supplementary questions asked at the meeting of this Council on 1st October." MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Misconception in what respect, Mr. Chair- man? Would you please be explicit? CHAIRMAN: ---Sir, I will be as explicit as I can. The misconception, which I think you entertain, was that there was a shortage of Inspectors and difficulty in recruiting Student Health Inspectors. In fact, I do not think that that was the case. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-I beg your pardon, Mr. Chairman. In my supplementary question at that time I asked the Chairman whether there was a shortage of staff in the Inspectorate and the reply was in the positive. But to go on, Mr. Chairman, may I refer to section (b) of your reply in which you said that there does exist a sense of dis- appointment. Are you sure that it is not a sense of grievance? HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 227 CHAIRMAN:-Sir, the distinction may be a fine one, but I do not wish to elaborate on the statement which I have already made. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-May I ask then, Mr. Chairman, in what manner does this sense of disappointment exist? Would you please elaborate? I think a rather general statement is given in your reply. CHAIRMAN:-Sir, I can inform you that certain representations have been made from time to time over the past few years by the Health Inspectorate through their Association, which is the Hong Kong Public Health Inspectors' Association. In the normal way these representations have received careful consideration in the Department and also in the Colonial Secretariat. One set of representations is currently under consideration. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-I assume you are using your other capacity, Mr. Chairman, in answering this, which is the Director of Urban Services. May I ask you as Chairman of the Urban Council whether you think it is appropriate that the position regarding these negotiations should be brought to the attention of Members of this Council first by way of information and second for further discussion if necessary. CHAIRMAN :---I would like to have notice of your question and give you an answer later. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-But, Mr. Chairman, I have already asked the question. CHAIRMAN :—I wish to consider the matter and convey an answer to you after this meeting. MR. CHEONG-LEEN: One final question, Mr. Chairman. Do I understand that a Health Inspector must reach the age of 25 before he is eligible to receive a salary of $880 a month? CHAIRMAN: In terms of the new grade it would be a normal pro- gression to reach that salary at the age of 25. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Has the Department considered whether or not that is a rather inflexible sort of arrangement? Sir. CHAIRMAN:-I would like to give you a reply on that point later, MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Thank you. MOTIONS. MR. B. A. BERNACCHI, Chairman of the Markets Select Committee, moved the following motion: That the Public Market (Amendment) (No. 2) By-laws, 1963 be made under Section 80 of the Public Health and Urban Services Ordinance, 1960.

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Control Force Sub-Inspector, a candidate must have reached the age of 25 before he can be considered for his post. In addition, he should have had supervisory experi- ence in a disciplined force. The last two persons engaged as Sub-Inspectors were 26 and 29 years old respectively. The minimum age laid down for appointment as a Student Health Inspector is 18, so that by the time he qualifies he enters the salary scale for Health Inspector Class II at $680 a month when he is 21. Thus, by the age of 25 he could reach $880 a month in the scale, the same point as the starting salary of a Hawker Control Force Sub- Inspector.

(e) A further review of the staff requirements of the Health Inspectorate will be made in time for the 1965-66 Estimates that is, a year from now. A paper on recom- mendations to be made to the Colonial Secretariat next year will be sent to the Estimates Select Committee for consideration about the middle of 1964.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Mr. Chairman, do you agree that there is a shortage of Health Inspectors in the Inspectorate?

CHAIRMAN: -No, Sir, I do not.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: -You do not, Mr. Chairman? May I refer to the answer to a supplementary question at a previous meeting- I think it must be last month or the month before that--wherein it was definitely stated that there was a shortage of staff in the Inspectorate.

CHAIRMAN: --Sir, I have referred to the point at (a) in my answer, the second paragraph of which begins: "I regret that some misconcep- tion may have arisen from supplementary questions asked at the meeting of this Council on 1st October."

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Misconception in what respect, Mr. Chair- man? Would you please be explicit?

CHAIRMAN: ---Sir, I will be as explicit as I can. The misconception, which I think you entertain, was that there was a shortage of Inspectors and difficulty in recruiting Student Health Inspectors. In fact, I do not think that that was the case.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-I beg your pardon, Mr. Chairman. In my supplementary question at that time I asked the Chairman whether there was a shortage of staff in the Inspectorate and the reply was in the positive. But to go on, Mr. Chairman, may I refer to section (b) of your reply in which you said that there does exist a sense of dis- appointment. Are you sure that it is not a sense of grievance?

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CHAIRMAN:-Sir, the distinction may be a fine one, but I do not wish to elaborate on the statement which I have already made.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-May I ask then, Mr. Chairman, in what manner does this sense of disappointment exist? Would you please elaborate? I think a rather general statement is given in your reply.

CHAIRMAN:-Sir, I can inform you that certain representations have been made from time to time over the past few years by the Health Inspectorate through their Association, which is the Hong Kong Public Health Inspectors' Association. In the normal way these representations have received careful consideration in the Department and also in the Colonial Secretariat. One set of representations is currently under consideration.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-I assume you are using your other capacity, Mr. Chairman, in answering this, which is the Director of Urban Services. May I ask you as Chairman of the Urban Council whether you think it is appropriate that the position regarding these negotiations should be brought to the attention of Members of this Council first by way of information and second for further discussion if necessary.

CHAIRMAN :---I would like to have notice of your question and give you an answer later.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-But, Mr. Chairman, I have already asked the question.

CHAIRMAN :—I wish to consider the matter and convey an answer to you after this meeting.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: One final question, Mr. Chairman. Do I understand that a Health Inspector must reach the age of 25 before he is eligible to receive a salary of $880 a month?

CHAIRMAN: In terms of the new grade it would be a normal pro- gression to reach that salary at the age of 25.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Has the Department considered whether or not that is a rather inflexible sort of arrangement?

Sir.

CHAIRMAN:-I would like to give you a reply on that point later,

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Thank you.

MOTIONS.

MR. B. A. BERNACCHI, Chairman of the Markets Select Committee, moved the following motion:

That the Public Market (Amendment) (No. 2) By-laws, 1963 be made under Section 80 of the Public Health and Urban Services Ordinance, 1960.

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