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HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL

There are four Urban markets in Category B of the Public Works Programme. Of these (North Point Market) is ready for upgrading to Category A (ii), and satisfactory progress has been made with the sketch plans for two others (Shek Tong Tsui and Sai Wan Ho). The fourth one (Kowloon City) is held up pending approval of the Schedule of Accommodation. It would be reasonable to suppose that there will be no difficulty in completing these four Markets well within the next five years. There are seven Markets in Category C of the Public Works Programme. Progress on these will depend on when they are upgraded to Category B. This is a matter for consideration by the Public Works Sub-Committee of Finance Committee.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Mr. Chairman, are you aware that the Tang Lung Chau Market should have been completed last year?

CHAIRMAN: I was not aware of that, Sir.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Are you aware, Sir, that the seven markets referred to in the last paragraph of your reply have been under consideration by the Public Works Sub-Committee of Finance Committee for the last five years?

CHAIRMAN: No, Sir, I was not aware of that.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: May I ask in clarification, Mr. Chairman, whether it is proposed then that the building of the seven markets in Category C should commence five years hence?

CHAIRMAN: I cannot say, Sir. I have explained that it is a matter for consideration by the Public Works Sub-Committee of Finance Committee.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: I asked that in clarification, Mr. Chairman, because I understand that it would appear from the penultimate paragraph of your reply that there are only four markets in Category B, which it is hoped would be completed during the next five years. Is my understanding correct, Sir?

CHAIRMAN: That is correct, but on the question of the remaining markets, I assume that whether we can get them moved to a higher priority will depend on the strength of the representations made by this Council and the department to the Public Works Sub-Committee of Finance Committee.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Thank you very much.

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DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, may I ask are the new slaughterhouses included in the $95 million estimate?

CHAIRMAN: I believe so, but I would like to check the point if I may and give you an answer in writing later.

DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, if the answer is in the affirmative, I take it that we will have new slaughterhouses within the next 10 years?

CHAIRMAN: I am assured that we should have the new slaughterhouses by about the end of 1965.

MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, will those slaughterhouses not be completely outmoded by the time they are built and opened for business?

CHAIRMAN: I do not think so, Sir.

MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, in respect to the second paragraph of the answer that has been given by Government, to what extent is the annual Block Vote of $1 million included in the figure?

CHAIRMAN: I imagine that it is included completely.

MR. SALES: It is? Thank you. Mr. Chairman, are you willing to make representations on behalf of this Council to increase the Block Vote to, say, $2 million and to do away with the ceiling of $100,000 for any single project, as that ceiling, in particular, has handicapped the work of this Council?

CHAIRMAN: I think I am right in saying that we have already asked for more than a million dollars in next year's estimates. The question of increasing the ceiling for any single project depends on the feelings of the Council. If Members wish representations to be made, then they will be made.

MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, may I say that the Urban Amenities Select Committee would certainly support raising that ceiling.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: May I seek clarification? While it is recognized that MR. SALES is a little biased in this question since he is Chairman of the Urban Amenities Select Committee, may I ask you, Mr. Chairman, whether you also would support this proposal?

CHAIRMAN: Yes, Sir, I would support it.

MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, one final supplementary question concerning the second paragraph of Government's answer, relating in particular to car parks. Will you put in a plea that some of these car parks at least will be in Kowloon?

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HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL There are four Urban markets in Category B of the Public Works Programme. Of these (North Point Market) is ready for upgrading to Category A (ii), and satisfactory progress has been made with the sketch plans for two others (Shek Tong Tsui and Sai Wan Ho). The fourth one (Kowloon City) is held up pending approval of the Schedule of Accommodation. It would be reasonable to suppose that there will be no difficulty in completing these four Markets well within the next five years. There are seven Markets in Category C of the Public Works Programme. Progress on these will depend on when they are upgraded to Category B. This is a matter for consideration by the Public Works Sub-Committee of Finance Committee. MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Mr. Chairman, are you aware that the Tang Lung Chau Market should have been completed last year? CHAIRMAN: I was not aware of that, Sir. MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Are you aware, Sir, that the seven markets referred to in the last paragraph of your reply have been under consideration by the Public Works Sub-Committee of Finance Committee for the last five years? CHAIRMAN: No, Sir, I was not aware of that. MR. CHEONG-LEEN: May I ask in clarification, Mr. Chairman, whether it is proposed then that the building of the seven markets in Category C should commence five years hence? CHAIRMAN: I cannot say, Sir. I have explained that it is a matter for consideration by the Public Works Sub-Committee of Finance Committee. MR. CHEONG-LEEN: I asked that in clarification, Mr. Chairman, because I understand that it would appear from the penultimate paragraph of your reply that there are only four markets in Category B, which it is hoped would be completed during the next five years. Is my understanding correct, Sir? CHAIRMAN: That is correct, but on the question of the remaining markets, I assume that whether we can get them moved to a higher priority will depend on the strength of the representations made by this Council and the department to the Public Works Sub-Committee of Finance Committee. MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Thank you very much. HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, may I ask are the new slaughterhouses included in the $95 million estimate? CHAIRMAN: I believe so, but I would like to check the point if I may and give you an answer in writing later. DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, if the answer is in the affirmative, I take it that we will have new slaughterhouses within the next 10 years? CHAIRMAN: I am assured that we should have the new slaughterhouses by about the end of 1965. MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, will those slaughterhouses not be completely outmoded by the time they are built and opened for business? CHAIRMAN: I do not think so, Sir. MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, in respect to the second paragraph of the answer that has been given by Government, to what extent is the annual Block Vote of $1 million included in the figure? CHAIRMAN: I imagine that it is included completely. MR. SALES: It is? Thank you. Mr. Chairman, are you willing to make representations on behalf of this Council to increase the Block Vote to, say, $2 million and to do away with the ceiling of $100,000 for any single project, as that ceiling, in particular, has handicapped the work of this Council? CHAIRMAN: I think I am right in saying that we have already asked for more than a million dollars in next year's estimates. The question of increasing the ceiling for any single project depends on the feelings of the Council. If Members wish representations to be made, then they will be made. MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, may I say that the Urban Amenities Select Committee would certainly support raising that ceiling. MR. CHEONG-LEEN: May I seek clarification? While it is recognized that MR. SALES is a little biased in this question since he is Chairman of the Urban Amenities Select Committee, may I ask you, Mr. Chairman, whether you also would support this proposal? CHAIRMAN: Yes, Sir, I would support it. MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, one final supplementary question concerning the second paragraph of Government's answer, relating in particular to car parks. Will you put in a plea that some of these car parks at least will be in Kowloon? Page 105 of 150 Page 105 Page 106 150
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of 150 194 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL There are four Urban markets in Category B of the Public Works Programme. Of these (North Point Market) is ready for upgrading to Category A (ii), and satisfactory progress has been made with the sketch plans for two others (Shek Tong Tsui and Sai Wan Ho). The fourth one (Kowloon City) is held up pending approval of the Schedule of Accommodation. It would be reasonable to suppose that there will be no difficulty in completing these four Markets well within the next five years. There are seven Markets in Category C of the Public Works Programme. Progress on these will depend on when they are upgraded to Category B. This is a matter for con- sideration by the Public Works Sub-Committee of Finance Committee. MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Mr. Chairman, are you aware that the Tang Lung Chau Market should have been completed last year? CHAIRMAN: -I was not aware of that, Sir. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Are you aware, Sir, that the seven markets referred to in the last paragraph of your reply have been under con- sideration by the Public Works Sub-Committee of Finance Committee for the last five years? CHAIRMAN:-No, Sir, I was not aware of that. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-May I ask in clarification, Mr. Chairman, whether it is proposed then that the building of the seven markets in Category C should commence five years hence? CHAIRMAN:- I cannot say, Sir. I have explained that it is a matter for consideration by the Public Works Sub-Committee of Finance Committee. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-I asked that in clarification, Mr. Chairman, because I understand that it would appear from the penultimate para- graph of your reply that there are only four markets in Category B, which it is hoped would be completed during the next five years. Is my understanding correct, Sir? CHAIRMAN: ---That is correct, but on the question of the remaining markets, I assume that whether we can get them moved to a higher priority will depend on the strength of the representations made by this Council and the department to the Public Works Sub-Committee of Finance Committee. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Thank you very much. HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 195 DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, may I ask are the new slaughterhouses included in the $95 million estimate? CHAIRMAN:-I believe so, but I would like to check the point if I may and give you an answer in writing later. DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, if the answer is in the affirmative, I take it that we will have new slaughterhouses within the next 10 years? CHAIRMAN:-I am assured that we should have the new slaughter- houses by about the end of 1965. MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, will those slaughterhouses not be com- pletely outmoded by the time they are built and opened for business? CHAIRMAN:-I do not think so, Sir. MR. SALES: -Mr. Chairman, in respect to the second paragraph of the answer that has been given by Government, to what extent is the annual Block Vote of $1 million included in the figure? CHAIRMAN:-I imagine that it is included completely. MR. SALES: It is? Thank you. Mr. Chairman, are you willing to make representations on behalf of this Council to increase the Block Vote to, say, $2 million and to do away with the ceiling of $100,000 for any single project, as that ceiling, in particular, has handicapped the work of this Council? CHAIRMAN:-I think I am right in saying that we have already asked for more than a million dollars in next year's estimates. The question of increasing the ceiling for any single project depends on the feelings of the Council. If Members wish representations to be made, then they will be made. MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, may I say that the Urban Amenities Select Committee would certainly support raising that ceiling. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-May I seek clarification? While it is recog- nized that Mr. SALES is a little biased in this question since he is Chairman of the Urban Amenities Select Committee, may I ask you, Mr. Chairman, whether you also would support this proposal? CHAIRMAN: ---Yes, Sir, I would support it. MR. SALES: -Mr. Chairman, one final supplementary question concerning the second paragraph of Government's answer, relating in particular to car parks. Will you put in a plea that some of these car parks at least will be in Kowloon? Page 105 of 150 Page 105Page 106 150
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There are four Urban markets in Category B of the Public Works Programme. Of these (North Point Market) is ready for upgrading to Category A (ii), and satisfactory progress has been made with the sketch plans for two others (Shek Tong Tsui and Sai Wan Ho). The fourth one (Kowloon City) is held up pending approval of the Schedule of Accommodation. It would be reasonable to suppose that there will be no difficulty in completing these four Markets well within the next five years. There are seven Markets in Category C of the Public Works Programme. Progress on these will depend on when they are upgraded to Category B. This is a matter for con- sideration by the Public Works Sub-Committee of Finance Committee.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: Mr. Chairman, are you aware that the Tang Lung Chau Market should have been completed last year?

CHAIRMAN: -I was not aware of that, Sir.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Are you aware, Sir, that the seven markets referred to in the last paragraph of your reply have been under con- sideration by the Public Works Sub-Committee of Finance Committee for the last five years?

CHAIRMAN:-No, Sir, I was not aware of that.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-May I ask in clarification, Mr. Chairman, whether it is proposed then that the building of the seven markets in Category C should commence five years hence?

CHAIRMAN:- I cannot say, Sir. I have explained that it is a matter for consideration by the Public Works Sub-Committee of Finance Committee.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-I asked that in clarification, Mr. Chairman, because I understand that it would appear from the penultimate para- graph of your reply that there are only four markets in Category B, which it is hoped would be completed during the next five years. Is my understanding correct, Sir?

CHAIRMAN: ---That is correct, but on the question of the remaining markets, I assume that whether we can get them moved to a higher priority will depend on the strength of the representations made by this Council and the department to the Public Works Sub-Committee of Finance Committee.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-Thank you very much.

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DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, may I ask are the new slaughterhouses included in the $95 million estimate?

CHAIRMAN:-I believe so, but I would like to check the point if I may and give you an answer in writing later.

DR. BELL: Mr. Chairman, if the answer is in the affirmative,

I take it that we will have new slaughterhouses within the next 10 years?

CHAIRMAN:-I am assured that we should have the new slaughter- houses by about the end of 1965.

MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, will those slaughterhouses not be com- pletely outmoded by the time they are built and opened for business?

CHAIRMAN:-I do not think so, Sir.

MR. SALES: -Mr. Chairman, in respect to the second paragraph of the answer that has been given by Government, to what extent is the annual Block Vote of $1 million included in the figure?

CHAIRMAN:-I imagine that it is included completely.

MR. SALES: It is? Thank you. Mr. Chairman, are you willing to make representations on behalf of this Council to increase the Block Vote to, say, $2 million and to do away with the ceiling of $100,000 for any single project, as that ceiling, in particular, has handicapped the work of this Council?

CHAIRMAN:-I think I am right in saying that we have already asked for more than a million dollars in next year's estimates. The question of increasing the ceiling for any single project depends on the feelings of the Council. If Members wish representations to be made, then they will be made.

MR. SALES: Mr. Chairman, may I say that the Urban Amenities Select Committee would certainly support raising that ceiling.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-May I seek clarification? While it is recog- nized that Mr. SALES is a little biased in this question since he is Chairman of the Urban Amenities Select Committee, may I ask you, Mr. Chairman, whether you also would support this proposal?

CHAIRMAN: ---Yes, Sir, I would support it.

MR. SALES: -Mr. Chairman, one final supplementary question concerning the second paragraph of Government's answer, relating in particular to car parks. Will you put in a plea that some of these car parks at least will be in Kowloon?

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