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participate in the 'Keep Your City Clean' Campaign, as this directly concerns their welfare. Moreover, they have a large membership and thus can help the running of the Campaign. As a faithful advocate for Health Education, Mr. Chairman, I have much pleasure in seconding Mr. Cheong-Leen's motion.

CHAIRMAN: -I do not propose to speak at length on this motion. I am sure that all will agree that only good will accrue from such a campaign and I have pleasure in supporting the proposal. The department has a plan of campaign in view which will be referred to a joint meeting of the Health Education and the Scavenging Select Committees at an early date.

MR. BERNACCHI: -I heard with interest the last few words of your remarks, Mr. Chairman, because I notice in the proposer's motion he says "be referred to the relevant Select Committee”. There are quite a number of Select Committees that are interested and relevant, Disease Prevention for instance. There are two Disease Prevention Select Committees. Then there is the Parks and Playgrounds and Urban Amenities, there is Pest Control, and of course, Scavenging; there is Health Education and, having regard to some of the questions earlier today, Conservancy. It seems to me therefore that this motion of Mr. Hilton Cheong-Leen's might more easily be dealt with by taking advantage of the Standing Orders, in particular 10(18) to propose—and I do so propose- that the subject matter of this debate be referred to the Health Education and Scavenging Select Committees that you have, sir, indeed mentioned that you have a paper prepared to place before them.

CHAIRMAN: -Yes, I think that that has always been the intention. Possibly the wording of the motion was not quite clear but I am sure that that has always been the intention.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: -May I say in clarification that like Mr. Sales I did consult the Chairman on the terms and wording of this motion and I believe during the discussion when he was making reference to the relevant Select Committee I did gain the impression that the relevant Select Committee should have been the Health Education Select Committee. Now Mr. Bernacchi said he also thought that the Scavenging Committee ought to come into the picture and I certainly would have no objection on that score, Mr. Chairman.

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CHAIRMAN: -I don't think there is any need for a formal amendment.

MR. BERNACCHI: -As long as it is clear.

CHAIRMAN: -If we can agree amongst ourselves that the relevant Select Committee should read relevant Select Committees, including Scavenging and Health Education. I think that is clear.

MR. SALES: -I rise to support this motion. I have not the slightest doubt that we all intend to have a cleaner city because many of us at the last annual debate drew attention in strong terms to the apparent absence of attention being paid to the side streets of Hong Kong in the same manner as the main roads and the resettlement areas are kept very clean. I also think that we in Hong Kong could profit immensely by borrowing ideas from other cities in the world in conducting our affairs. The "Keep the City Clean" campaign is a very common one in America in particular where many slogans and projects have been introduced with great success. I do not suggest in this Council that we emulate the example of Councillors in a neighbouring city in this part of the world where all the Councillors were made by the Chairman to go out and clean the streets of that particular city. In that respect I am sure I shall not support the motion. However, Mr. Chairman, in replying to this motion you indicated that you have the support and assistance of our friend the Honourable Director of Public Works. I feel that in Hong Kong without the support of his Department it would be futile to conduct a campaign to keep the streets clean because I find that the nigger in the woodpile in dirtying most of our streets is the fact that the Public Works Department in a fit—or perhaps in a nightmare—decided to employ a great number of trench experts and as a result those gentlemen have been put, year in and year out, to digging trenches in our lovely city, particularly Kowloon. With these remarks, and hoping that you will be able to persuade the Public Works Department to support us in this campaign, I sit down.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN: -May I just round off this debate with a few short words? I don't think anywhere during my speech in moving this motion I have ever made the suggestion to the Chairman to take a broom and go out in the streets.

CHAIRMAN: -I am always receptive to your ideas!

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Page 103 of 139 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL participate in the 'Keep Your City Clean' Campaign, as this directly concerns their welfare. Moreover, they have a large membership and thus can help the running of the Campaign. As a faithful advocate for Health Education, Mr. Chairman, I have much pleasure in seconding Mr. Cheong-Leen's motion. CHAIRMAN: -I do not propose to speak at length on this motion. I am sure that all will agree that only good will accrue from such a campaign and I have pleasure in supporting the proposal. The department has a plan of campaign in view which will be referred to a joint meeting of the Health Education and the Scavenging Select Committees at an early date. MR. BERNACCHI: -I heard with interest the last few words of your remarks, Mr. Chairman, because I notice in the proposer's motion he says "be referred to the relevant Select Committee”. There are quite a number of Select Committees that are interested and relevant, Disease Prevention for instance. There are two Disease Prevention Select Committees. Then there is the Parks and Playgrounds and Urban Amenities, there is Pest Control, and of course, Scavenging; there is Health Education and, having regard to some of the questions earlier today, Conservancy. It seems to me therefore that this motion of Mr. Hilton Cheong-Leen's might more easily be dealt with by taking advantage of the Standing Orders, in particular 10(18) to propose—and I do so propose- that the subject matter of this debate be referred to the Health Education and Scavenging Select Committees that you have, sir, indeed mentioned that you have a paper prepared to place before them. CHAIRMAN: -Yes, I think that that has always been the intention. Possibly the wording of the motion was not quite clear but I am sure that that has always been the intention. MR. CHEONG-LEEN: -May I say in clarification that like Mr. Sales I did consult the Chairman on the terms and wording of this motion and I believe during the discussion when he was making reference to the relevant Select Committee I did gain the impression that the relevant Select Committee should have been the Health Education Select Committee. Now Mr. Bernacchi said he also thought that the Scavenging Committee ought to come into the picture and I certainly would have no objection on that score, Mr. Chairman. HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL CHAIRMAN: -I don't think there is any need for a formal amendment. MR. BERNACCHI: -As long as it is clear. CHAIRMAN: -If we can agree amongst ourselves that the relevant Select Committee should read relevant Select Committees, including Scavenging and Health Education. I think that is clear. MR. SALES: -I rise to support this motion. I have not the slightest doubt that we all intend to have a cleaner city because many of us at the last annual debate drew attention in strong terms to the apparent absence of attention being paid to the side streets of Hong Kong in the same manner as the main roads and the resettlement areas are kept very clean. I also think that we in Hong Kong could profit immensely by borrowing ideas from other cities in the world in conducting our affairs. The "Keep the City Clean" campaign is a very common one in America in particular where many slogans and projects have been introduced with great success. I do not suggest in this Council that we emulate the example of Councillors in a neighbouring city in this part of the world where all the Councillors were made by the Chairman to go out and clean the streets of that particular city. In that respect I am sure I shall not support the motion. However, Mr. Chairman, in replying to this motion you indicated that you have the support and assistance of our friend the Honourable Director of Public Works. I feel that in Hong Kong without the support of his Department it would be futile to conduct a campaign to keep the streets clean because I find that the nigger in the woodpile in dirtying most of our streets is the fact that the Public Works Department in a fit—or perhaps in a nightmare—decided to employ a great number of trench experts and as a result those gentlemen have been put, year in and year out, to digging trenches in our lovely city, particularly Kowloon. With these remarks, and hoping that you will be able to persuade the Public Works Department to support us in this campaign, I sit down. MR. CHEONG-LEEN: -May I just round off this debate with a few short words? I don't think anywhere during my speech in moving this motion I have ever made the suggestion to the Chairman to take a broom and go out in the streets. CHAIRMAN: -I am always receptive to your ideas! Page 103 of 139 186 187

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139 Page 103 of 139 Page 103 of 139 186 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL participate in the 'Keep Your City Clean' Campaign, as this directly concerns their welfare. Moreover, they have a large membership and thus can help the running of the Campaign. As a faithful advocate for Health Education, Mr. Chairman, I have much pleasure in seconding Mr. Cheong-Leen's motion. CHAIRMAN: -I do not propose to speak at length on this motion. I am sure that all will agree that only good will accrue from such a campaign and I have pleasure in supporting the pro- posal. The department has a plan of campaign in view which will be referred to a joint meeting of the Health Education and the Scavenging Select Committees at an early date. MR. BERNACCHI :-I heard with interest the last few words of your remarks, Mr. Chairman, because I notice in the proposer's motion he says "be referred to the relevant Select Committee”. There are quite a number of Select Committees that are interested and relevant, Disease Prevention for instance. There are two Disease Prevention Select Committees. Then there is the Parks and Playgrounds and Urban Amenities, there is Pest Control, and of course, Scavenging; there is Health Education and, having regard to some of the questions earlier today, Conservancy. It seems to me therefore that this motion of Mr. Hilton Cheong-Leen's might more easily be dealt with by taking advantage of the Stand- ing Orders, in particular 10(18) to propose—and I do so propose- that the subject matter of this debate be referred to the Health Education and Scavenging Select Committees that you have sir indeed mentioned that you have a paper prepared to place before them. CHAIRMAN :-Yes, I think that that has always been the inten- tion. Possibly the wording of the motion was not quite clear but I am sure that that has always been the intention. MR. CHEONG-LEEN :-May I say in clarification that like Mr. Sales I did consult the Chairman on the terms and wording of this motion and I believe during the discussion when he was making reference to the relevant Select Committee I did gain the impression that the relevant Select Committee should have been the Health Education Select Committee. Now Mr. Bernacchi said he also thought that the Scavenging Committee ought to come into the picture and I certainly would have no objection on that score, Mr. Chairman. HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 187 CHAIRMAN:-I don't think there is any need for a formal amendment. MR. BERNACCHI :- -As long as it is clear. CHAIRMAN :—If we can agree amongst ourselves that the relevant Select Committee should read relevant Select Committees, including Scavenging and Health Education. I think that is clear. MR. SALES-I rise to support this motion. I have not the slightest doubt that we all intend to have a cleaner city because many of us at the last annual debate drew attention in strong terms to the apparent absence of attention being paid to the side streets of Hong Kong in the same manner as the main roads and the resettlement areas are kept very clean. I also think that we in Hong Kong could profit immensely by borrowing ideas from other cities in the world in conducting our affairs. The "Keep the City Clean" campaign is a very common one in America in particular where many slogans and projects have been introduced with great success. I do not suggest in this Council that we emulate the example of Councillors in a neighbouring city in this part of the world where all the Councillors were made by the Chairman to go out and clean the streets of that particular city. In that respect I am sure I shall not support the motion. How- ever, Mr. Chairman, in replying to this motion you indicated that you have the support and assistance of our friend the Honourable Director of Public Works. I feel that in Hong Kong without the support of his Department it would be futile to conduct a campaign to keep the streets clean because I find that the nigger in the wood- pile in dirtying most of our streets is the fact that the Public Works Department in a fit-or perhaps in a nightmare-decided to employ a great number of trench experts and as a result those gentlemen have been put, year in and year out, to digging trenches in our lovely city, particularly Kowloon. With these remarks, and hop- ing that you will be able to persuade the Public Works Department to support us in this campaign, I sit down. MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-May I just round off this debate with a few short words? I don't think anywhere during my speech in moving this motion I have ever made the suggestion to the Chair- man to take a broom and go out in the streets. CHAIRMAN :--I am always receptive to your ideas!

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CHAIRMAN: -I do not propose to speak at length on this motion. I am sure that all will agree that only good will accrue from such a campaign and I have pleasure in supporting the pro- posal. The department has a plan of campaign in view which will be referred to a joint meeting of the Health Education and the Scavenging Select Committees at an early date.

MR. BERNACCHI :-I heard with interest the last few words of your remarks, Mr. Chairman, because I notice in the proposer's motion he says "be referred to the relevant Select Committee”. There are quite a number of Select Committees that are interested and relevant, Disease Prevention for instance. There are two Disease Prevention Select Committees. Then there is the Parks and Playgrounds and Urban Amenities, there is Pest Control, and of course, Scavenging; there is Health Education and, having regard to some of the questions earlier today, Conservancy. It seems to me therefore that this motion of Mr. Hilton Cheong-Leen's might more easily be dealt with by taking advantage of the Stand- ing Orders, in particular 10(18) to propose—and I do so propose- that the subject matter of this debate be referred to the Health Education and Scavenging Select Committees that you have sir indeed mentioned that you have a paper prepared to place before them.

CHAIRMAN :-Yes, I think that that has always been the inten- tion. Possibly the wording of the motion was not quite clear but I am sure that that has always been the intention.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN :-May I say in clarification that like Mr. Sales I did consult the Chairman on the terms and wording of this motion and I believe during the discussion when he was making reference to the relevant Select Committee I did gain the impression that the relevant Select Committee should have been the Health Education Select Committee. Now Mr. Bernacchi said he also thought that the Scavenging Committee ought to come into the picture and I certainly would have no objection on that score, Mr. Chairman.

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amendment.

MR. BERNACCHI :- -As long as it is clear.

CHAIRMAN :—If we can agree amongst ourselves that the relevant Select Committee should read relevant Select Committees, including Scavenging and Health Education. I think that is clear.

MR. SALES-I rise to support this motion. I have not the slightest doubt that we all intend to have a cleaner city because many of us at the last annual debate drew attention in strong terms to the apparent absence of attention being paid to the side streets of Hong Kong in the same manner as the main roads and the resettlement areas are kept very clean. I also think that we in Hong Kong could profit immensely by borrowing ideas from other cities in the world in conducting our affairs. The "Keep the City Clean" campaign is a very common one in America in particular where many slogans and projects have been introduced with great success. I do not suggest in this Council that we emulate the example of Councillors in a neighbouring city in this part of the world where all the Councillors were made by the Chairman to go out and clean the streets of that particular city. In that respect I am sure I shall not support the motion. How- ever, Mr. Chairman, in replying to this motion you indicated that you have the support and assistance of our friend the Honourable Director of Public Works. I feel that in Hong Kong without the support of his Department it would be futile to conduct a campaign to keep the streets clean because I find that the nigger in the wood- pile in dirtying most of our streets is the fact that the Public Works Department in a fit-or perhaps in a nightmare-decided to employ a great number of trench experts and as a result those gentlemen have been put, year in and year out, to digging trenches in our lovely city, particularly Kowloon. With these remarks, and hop- ing that you will be able to persuade the Public Works Department to support us in this campaign, I sit down.

MR. CHEONG-LEEN:-May I just round off this debate with a few short words? I don't think anywhere during my speech in moving this motion I have ever made the suggestion to the Chair- man to take a broom and go out in the streets.

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