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Central Hong Kong, West Point, Yaumati and North Point. The intention is that this process of tidying up small areas at a time and then keeping them tidy should be continued, and that the lessons learned in the process should be carefully studied with a view to further extension to other and larger areas as our resources and other circumstances permit. This can be done only with the co-operation of the hawkers themselves. One pre-requisite to such co-operation is the giving of ample publicity and explanation to the hawkers before the new arrangements come into force, and we devote much care and thought to this. Another essential is that the law should be practical and realistic and reasonably capable of being complied with: this is the object of the amending by-laws now before Council, and I commend them to members' favourable consideration.

DR. P. H. TENG seconded.

MR. H. CHEONG-LEEN :-I was hoping that my colleague Mr. Brook Bernacchi would get up and speak on a subject which is a favourite one with him, on the subject of hawkers, but since he has not done that today, perhaps I am taking the liberty of acting as a substitute in a way. I must say that I was rather impressed with the manner in which you took back your seat as Chairman of the Urban Council without any fanfare and without any ado, and I must confess that I thought it was an indication of the wide grasp you had of Council affairs and the efficient manner in which you are able to handle matters as affect the Urban Services Department.

I am not a member of any of the Select Committees which have to do with hawkers, but I would observe that today's amendment as proposed does seem to be sensible. They aptly illustrate the principle by which this Council is guided in its relations to hawkers. On the one hand it is supposed to make it as easy as possible for the hawkers to make a living, and on the other hand it must always bear the interests of the public as paramount.

On behalf of the Elected Members of the Civic Association, Mr. Chairman, I support the Motion which you have put forward.

CHAIRMAN :-Thank you.

The question was put.

The Motion was carried unanimously.

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THE CHAIRMAN moved:

"That Col. J. D. Clague be re-appointed, under Standing Order 22(6), as Chairman of the following Committees :-

Offensive Trades--in place of Mr. U Tat Chee, O.B.E.

Slaughterhouses-in place of Mr. Fung Ping Fan."

He said: Members have been informed that, consequent upon his return to the Colony, Col. Clague has been re-appointed as a Member of certain Select Committees. Col. Clague was also Chairman of two Committees, the Offensive Trades Select Committee and the Slaughterhouses Select Committee before he went on leave. He has intimated that he is willing to resume the Chairmanship of these Committees and the purpose of this Motion therefore is to re-appoint him, under Standing Order 22(6).

DR. P. H. TENG seconded.

MR. B. A. BERNACCHI :-I would like to take advantage of this Motion anyhow, to say that we welcome back both yourself and Col. Clague, and that we do hope that the work of this Select Committee will be in the next few months to expedite as much as possible the proposals for the new abattoir or abattoirs. I recall that when I first joined this Council in 1952 I attended a meeting at which plans were shown that appeared to be final plans and we were told that the abattoir would be ready in 1956. It is now 1957 and the plans have been changed again.

I have myself when I was on holiday in South Africa, obtained a very interesting, I think it is an engineer's appreciation of plans for a new abattoir in a place called Windhoek in the Union of South Africa. I should be very glad to make that available either to yourself or Col. Clague.

MR. H. CHEONG-LEEN:-May I add a word to Mr. Bernacchi's statement? I hope you will consider it a good omen that both the Reform Club Members and the Civic Association Members are supporting official Motions, and that you may consider it as a happy augury of the co-operative spirit in which Council business will be conducted in future.

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Page 82 of 115 148 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL Central Hong Kong, West Point, Yaumati and North Point. The intention is that this process of tidying up small areas at a time and then keeping them tidy should be continued, and that the lessons learned in the process should be carefully studied with a view to further extension to other and larger areas as our resources and other circumstances permit. This can be done only with the co-operation of the hawkers themselves. One pre-requisite to such co-operation is the giving of ample publicity and explanation to the hawkers before the new arrangements come into force, and we devote much care and thought to this. Another essential is that the law should be practical and realistic and reasonably capable of being complied with: this is the object of the amending by-laws now before Council, and I commend them to members' favourable consideration. DR. P. H. TENG seconded. MR. H. CHEONG-LEEN :-I was hoping that my colleague Mr. Brook Bernacchi would get up and speak on a subject which is a favourite one with him, on the subject of hawkers, but since he has not done that today, perhaps I am taking the liberty of acting as a substitute in a way. I must say that I was rather impressed with the manner in which you took back your seat as Chairman of the Urban Council without any fanfare and without any ado, and I must confess that I thought it was an indication of the wide grasp you had of Council affairs and the efficient manner in which you are able to handle matters as affect the Urban Services Department. I am not a member of any of the Select Committees which have to do with hawkers, but I would observe that today's amendment as proposed does seem to be sensible. They aptly illustrate the principle by which this Council is guided in its relations to hawkers. On the one hand it is supposed to make it as easy as possible for the hawkers to make a living, and on the other hand it must always bear the interests of the public as paramount. On behalf of the Elected Members of the Civic Association, Mr. Chairman, I support the Motion which you have put forward. CHAIRMAN :-Thank you. The question was put. The Motion was carried unanimously. HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 149 THE CHAIRMAN moved: "That Col. J. D. Clague be re-appointed, under Standing Order 22(6), as Chairman of the following Committees :- Offensive Trades--in place of Mr. U Tat Chee, O.B.E. Slaughterhouses-in place of Mr. Fung Ping Fan." He said: Members have been informed that, consequent upon his return to the Colony, Col. Clague has been re-appointed as a Member of certain Select Committees. Col. Clague was also Chairman of two Committees, the Offensive Trades Select Committee and the Slaughterhouses Select Committee before he went on leave. He has intimated that he is willing to resume the Chairmanship of these Committees and the purpose of this Motion therefore is to re-appoint him, under Standing Order 22(6). DR. P. H. TENG seconded. MR. B. A. BERNACCHI :-I would like to take advantage of this Motion anyhow, to say that we welcome back both yourself and Col. Clague, and that we do hope that the work of this Select Committee will be in the next few months to expedite as much as possible the proposals for the new abattoir or abattoirs. I recall that when I first joined this Council in 1952 I attended a meeting at which plans were shown that appeared to be final plans and we were told that the abattoir would be ready in 1956. It is now 1957 and the plans have been changed again. I have myself when I was on holiday in South Africa, obtained a very interesting, I think it is an engineer's appreciation of plans for a new abattoir in a place called Windhoek in the Union of South Africa. I should be very glad to make that available either to yourself or Col. Clague. MR. H. CHEONG-LEEN:-May I add a word to Mr. Bernacchi's statement? I hope you will consider it a good omen that both the Reform Club Members and the Civic Association Members are supporting official Motions, and that you may consider it as a happy augury of the co-operative spirit in which Council business will be conducted in future. Page 82 of 115

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15 Page 82 of 115 148 HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL Central Hong Kong, West Point, Yaumati and North Point. The intention is that this process of tidying up small areas at a time and then keeping them tidy should be continued, and that the lessons learned in the process should be carefully studied with a view to further extension to other and larger areas as our resources and other circumstances permit. This can be done only with the co-operation of the hawkers themselves. One pre- requisite to such co-operation is the giving of ample publicity and explanation to the hawkers before the new arrangements come into force, and we devote much care and thought to this. Another essential is that the law should be practical and realistic and reasonably capable of being complied with: this is the object of the amending by-laws now before Council, and I commend them to members' favourable consideration. DR. P. H. TENG seconded. MR. H. CHEONG-LEEN :-I was hoping that my colleague Mr. Brook Bernacchi would get up and speak on a subject which is a favourite one with him, on the subject of hawkers, but since he has not done that today, perhaps I am taking the liberty of acting as a substitute in a way. I must say that I was rather impressed with the manner in which you took back your seat as Chairman of the Urban Council without any fanfare and without any ado, and I must confess that I thought it was an indication of the wide grasp you had of Council affairs and the efficient manner in which you are able to handle matters as affect the Urban Services Department. I am not a member of any of the Select Committees which have to do with hawkers, but I would observe that today's amend- ment as proposed does seem to be sensible. They aptly illustrate the principle by which this Council is guided in its relations to hawkers. On the one hand it is supposed to make it as easy as possible for the hawkers to make a living, and on the other hand it must always bear the interests of the public as paramount. On behalf of the Elected Members of the Civic Association, Mr. Chairman, I support the Motion which you have put forward. CHAIRMAN :-Thank you. The question was put. The Motion was carried unanimously. HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL 149 THE CHAIRMAN moved: "That Col. J. D. Clague be re-appointed, under Standing Order 22(6), as Chairman of the following Committees :- Offensive Trades--in place of Mr. U Tat Chee, O.B.E. Slaughterhouses-in place of Mr. Fung Ping Fan." He said: Members have been informed that, consequent upon his return to the Colony, Col. Clague has been re-appointed as a Member of certain Select Committees. Col. Clague was also Chairman of two Committees, the Offensive Trades Select Com- mittee and the Slaughterhouses Select Committee before he went on leave. He has intimated that he is willing to resume the Chairmanship of these Committees and the purpose of this Motion therefore is to re-appoint him, under Standing Order 22(6). DR. P. H. TENG seconded. MR. B. A. BERNACCHI :-I would like to take advantage of this Motion anyhow, to say that we welcome back both yourself and Col. Clague, and that we do hope that the work of this Select Committee will be in the next few months to expedite as much as possible the proposals for the new abbatoir or abbatoirs. I recall that when I first joined this Council in 1952 I attended a meeting at which plans were shown that appeared to be final plans and we were told that the abbatoir would be ready in 1956. It is now 1957 and the plans have been changed again. I have myself when I was on holiday in South Africa, obtained a very interesting, I think it is an engineer's appreciation of plans for a new abbatoir in a place called Windhoek in the Union of South Africa. I should be very glad to make that available either to yourself or Col. Clague. MR. H. CHEONG-LEEN:-May I add a word to Mr. Bernacchi's statement? I hope you will consider it a good omen that both the Reform Club Members and the Civic Association Members are supporting official Motions, and that you may con- sider it as a happy augury of the co-operative spirit in which Council business will be conducted in future.

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Central Hong Kong, West Point, Yaumati and North Point. The intention is that this process of tidying up small areas at a time and then keeping them tidy should be continued, and that the lessons learned in the process should be carefully studied with a view to further extension to other and larger areas as our resources and other circumstances permit. This can be done only with the co-operation of the hawkers themselves. One pre- requisite to such co-operation is the giving of ample publicity and explanation to the hawkers before the new arrangements come into force, and we devote much care and thought to this. Another essential is that the law should be practical and realistic and reasonably capable of being complied with: this is the object of the amending by-laws now before Council, and I commend them to members' favourable consideration.

DR. P. H. TENG seconded.

I am not a member of any of the Select Committees which have to do with hawkers, but I would observe that today's amend- ment as proposed does seem to be sensible. They aptly illustrate the principle by which this Council is guided in its relations to hawkers. On the one hand it is supposed to make it as easy as possible for the hawkers to make a living, and on the other hand it must always bear the interests of the public as paramount.

On behalf of the Elected Members of the Civic Association, Mr. Chairman, I support the Motion which you have put forward.

CHAIRMAN :-Thank you.

The question was put.

The Motion was carried unanimously.

HONG KONG URBAN COUNCIL

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THE CHAIRMAN moved:

"That Col. J. D. Clague be re-appointed, under Standing Order 22(6), as Chairman of the following Committees :-

Offensive Trades--in place of Mr. U Tat Chee,

O.B.E.

Slaughterhouses-in place of Mr. Fung Ping

Fan."

He said: Members have been informed that, consequent upon his return to the Colony, Col. Clague has been re-appointed as a Member of certain Select Committees. Col. Clague was also Chairman of two Committees, the Offensive Trades Select Com- mittee and the Slaughterhouses Select Committee before he went on leave. He has intimated that he is willing to resume the Chairmanship of these Committees and the purpose of this Motion therefore is to re-appoint him, under Standing Order 22(6).

DR. P. H. TENG seconded.

MR. B. A. BERNACCHI :-I would like to take advantage of this Motion anyhow, to say that we welcome back both yourself and Col. Clague, and that we do hope that the work of this Select Committee will be in the next few months to expedite as much as possible the proposals for the new abbatoir or abbatoirs. I recall that when I first joined this Council in 1952 I attended a meeting at which plans were shown that appeared to be final plans and we were told that the abbatoir would be ready in 1956. It is now 1957 and the plans have been changed again.

I have myself when I was on holiday in South Africa, obtained

a very interesting, I think it is an engineer's appreciation of plans for a new abbatoir in a place called Windhoek in the Union of South Africa. I should be very glad to make that available either to yourself or Col. Clague.

MR. H. CHEONG-LEEN:-May I add a word to Mr. Bernacchi's statement? I hope you will consider it a good omen that both the Reform Club Members and the Civic Association Members are supporting official Motions, and that you may con- sider it as a happy augury of the co-operative spirit in which Council business will be conducted in future.

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