1940-05-08 — Page 7

COMMONS DEBATE

FROM PAGE ONE

paid a heavy price (Cheers). It is too early to say on which side fire balance will finally incline.

"The campaign is not yet finish ed. A large part of Norway is not In German hands, the Norwegian King and Government are still on Norwegian soil and they wili rally round them the remainder of

the Norwegian forces to carry on against the invader. In the fight this, we shall be at their side." There Are Other Fronts Referring to Prof. Koht's broadcast advice to Norwegians to be patient wise advice, but "silhough we shall tive all help to Norway that we can and as soon as we can, we must not forget that there are other fronts which

may at any moment blaze up into conflagration.

HOLLAND'S ANXIETY

Leave Cancollation Causes Tension

Wednesday,

PUNGENT QUERIES

FROM PAGE ONE

HONGKONG... – TELEGRAPH'

The Governinent had the idea of blocking the Narvik route with mines. THE HAGUE, May 7 (Reu-It must have been apparent that there ter).-Nothing is known de- was the greatest possibility of a bit

buck by Germany." reasons which finitely of the

Mr. Attice said the first question prompted an order to-day can was "What provision was made for that contingency?" The Prime Minis- ter had said that Germany celling all military leave.

had

great care over a long period. What planned this expedition with care was exercised in the planning of the Allies for defeating that stroke, if it should come?

The announcement took the Dutch people by surprise since they had believed that the danger to the Low Countries had somewhat receded,

It is understood that although anxiety has been felt On several necoatons in the past a more than

here of the present alluation.

very

May 8, 1940.

NAZIS LOSE ITALIAN TENSION

200 PLANES

LONDON, May 7 (Router). —

RELAXED?

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The German air losses during Greek frontiers are completely with- the Norwegian campaign are to out foundation, as far as can be us date estimated in London at 200 certained in Sofin.

or more.

The situation in Bulgaria is com- The British losses during the same pletely calm, despite the Blood of period was about a Afth of this orumours which are apparently url-

ginating mainly from less than 40,

Most of the damage was done by the R.A.F. bombing raids on air bases in Norway and Denmark.

About 30 of the 200 planes were brought down by the Fleet Air Arm anti-pireraft guns,

sources,

German

ness and fear now than there was t There is considerably less nervous-

Norway and Denmark. the time of the German Invasion of

Omelni sources continue to state that it is Bulgaria's policy to remain neutral and outside the war unless she is altacked. She will not make

Mr. Chamberlain såld that it was usually serious view is being taken | we had a foice of 100,000 men ready i asking whether at any time there was use of her neighbours' difficulties by

"Germany, with her vust and well- equipped armies, is so pinced that she can at any moment attack any une of a number of different points. We want to be ready to meet that attack wherever It may come (leur! Hear!).

Wa

"The more vital the point the be more important it is that ready."

Alr. Chamberlain proceeded: "A Minister who shows any sign of confidence is always called complacent. If he fails to do so, he is labelled a defeatist. For my part, I try to sicer a middle course, (A member shouted: "You have missed the bus.") "neither raising undue expectations (cries of "Oh!"} which are unlikely to be fulfilled

nor making people's flesh creep us

palating pictures of unmitigated gloor.

What Premier Meant

"I believe many think that when I sald Hitler missed the bus, I was referring to his invasion of Norway. The speech in which the remark was made occurred on April 5, three days before the

(Cheers and Invasion Laughter),

I had been saying that the advantages of Totalitarians lay in the fact that they were prepared for war while we were only thinking of репсе,

extra-

"I observed that it was ordinary when the Germans were for superior in arms and equipment af the beginning of the campaign that Hitler had not taken advantage of it to attack the Allies when the dis- Jarity was greatest.

Naxi Warnings

the now events,

German newspapers to-day speak in huge headlines of the imminence of TheHamburger Frendenblati" says. "Great decisions are in sight."

The German propaganda at present seems clearly to Indicate that the Germans are planning fresh action to "forestall" the Allies."

While

the tension thus grows, in all countries surrounding Germany, the Nazi press also seems to hint at the possibility of air raids on ship in Great Britain. This is yurds

deli- perhaps being done with the berate intention of making British flesh creep.

The Inspector General of Naviga tion announces that the mouths of the Meuse and Rhine rivers will he closed to shipping from May 11 until May 13.

NEW ADMIRAL OF

THE FLEET LONDON, May 7 (Reuter)-Lord Chatfield completes his five years service as Admiral of the Fleet to-

day.

Admiral Sir Charles Forben has been promoted to be Admiral of the Fleet in succession to Lord Chatfield. Vice-Admiral Sir Dudley North hus been promoted to be an Admiral,

The fact that I have, always felt unable to accept this particular sug gestion does not mean that I am un- willing from time to time to make changes in the personnel or functions of members of the Cabinet.

"I Want To Know —" "We were informed in March that

to go to Finland. We were assured that these troops were fully pre-

pared. If they were fully prepared in every way, we want to know what.

they. happened to them. It not, they may have escaped a serious disaster in Finland."

were

after

Mr. Attlee continued: "What I cannot understand is the rapid dis- persal of all these troops at the time when that was done. The Finnish: war

ended in March and the, Gov- ernment decided some time that to y

mines off Norway on I should have thought that April 0. in the event of having that in mind they would have kept in being this force in case of a German counter stroke."

Mr. Attice said that he gathered that some troops were kept together. He wanted to know whether these whether troops were adequate and

not delay and discussion when action ndopling o bellicole altitude. was necessary.

About 90 per cent. of the rumours Not Satisfied

appearing in the European press re- "I am not by any means natin.garding Bulgaria and the Balkans are fled despite all that the

responsible Bulgarian Prime regarded by Minister has said that the present quarters as being sprend by the bel- War Cabinet is an efficient instru-lgerents for propaganda purposes in ment for condueling the war (Near!|neder in cause nervousness, Ifear!) It has been criticisel this House over and over

arnin. of

It has been criticised by men wide experience In Die Press and platform. It is wrong in principle and could only Justified by that success, and it has not had success."

DENOUNCE TREATY!

FROM PAGE ONE

the necessary equipment was there,t. Not Fair To Churchill necessary to take them. He wanted diffeulties and it is not fair to puti materine in the export of war

Mr. Attlee declared: "Frankly I do not think it fair to plut Mr. Church!l! in the position of presiding at the Admiralty and being Chairman of the interpreted throughout free Ching as Chiefs of Staff. That is the man in an acknowledgment by Japan that charge of major strategy and should she can no longer hope to gain her particular ends in the Asiatic continent by her also be in commands

Jown military and naval power,

"The American ability to impose "Mr. Churchill has had very great an embargo on

to Japan is a fact which know whether they were the right him in an impossible position. the Japanese dare not ignore, nor kind of troops. He

Band been in-

Mr. Atties continued: "Our friends will they Ignore it, provided that they and the British formed that we had a body of troops, have been disheartened. We riends meanwhile for the trained men who could skl, ready

had a reverse, but we have had re-Government Impervious to their bluff Finnish

He was campaign.

verses before-and none of us is in the and prepared to take reprisals." told that they were dispersed and lightest degree shaken in his faith Brigadier General C. R. Woodroffe

that we are going to win the war succeeds Mr. Swice as Chairman. put on other kinds of jobs.

(Cheers). When we have reverses

essential

Is that thing

we should learn from them (Cheers). I have no

this doubt whatever of the courage and constancy of all the people in country provided they are sure that they are getting the right leadership (Opposition Cheers).

Cannot Send Young Lads Was that so in view of the possi-the bility

of a campaign in Norway? People are asking whether these are the troops who ought to have been sent there. I have heard stories about young boys with very little training being sent.

"In a country like Norway, with the rigours of its climate, you don't want to send young boys but older "I would not hesitate, for example; and experienced men.

"We

In the outsile the political fleidin

bud experience order to

find new Ministers if Dardanelles of young lads being sent This evidently had no relation to thought they would serve the public aut in great heat and they didn't Inst the future, but was merely a com- interest."

long. It is seasoned men who are mentary upon the past.

to

Heferring to the retiremarcheligence Service Break-Down Exaggerated Implications Lord Chatfeld and Mr. Churchill's "While I I think the implications of succession as Chairman of the Mili Referring to the Germans anti-

accepted

the Norwegian campaige have beentary Co-ordination Committee on the seriously exaggerated and while I re-Cabinet, Mr. Chamberlain said that

[17 tain complete confidence Dir

the Churchill readily Mr. ultimate victory, I am bound to say

5 position but after he had some ex- that I do not think the people of this perience of it he suggested that in country yet realise the extent or the order to make his assistance to the Imminence of the threat impending Cabinet more effective it would be a against

closer us (Loud and prolonged good thing to put him into cheers).

contact with the Chiefs of Staffs. are wise we shall learn

"I WC many useful lessons from Norway.

"I am not going to say how our "1 strategic plans for the future may be affected but the experience of Nor- way shows how swiftly the scene alters. Therefore, let us beware of being tempted into such a dispersal of our forces as may suit the enemy's

purpose.

"Let us also beware of bickerings presently be faced by war in a most

among ourselves. When

wo

may

violent form directed against this country we have no time for quarrels among ourselves (Checra),

Time For Closing Ranks

of

"It is rather the time for closing ranks, setting feth and all en- deavourin to puvery ounce strength and energy into arining our forces and into the effort which will help us win.

"In this debate we are giving hos- tages to fortune.

"Our military advisers have told us solemnly of the danger of holding such a discussion and urged us to try to have no debate at all.

"We could not accept that view. In a democratie country there must be criticism and those criticised must be allowed to defend themselves,

"In this debale four members of the Cabinet directly associated with the military conduct of the war will speak and they will be fortunate if they give nothing away,

"All are aware that attempts have been made to separaty them from

one another and to suggest that one or other was more responsible than his colleagues for this or that course of action.

"Such suggestions are as unworthy as untrue (Chcera).

None of us has attempted to intrigue

against one another,

Churchill's Responsibilities Mr. Chamberlain thought it was good idea and after discussing the question fully with the other Service Ministers, arrangements were made

under

which Mr. Churchill រឹង authorised by the Cabinet on behalf of the Military Co-ordination Com- mittee to give guidance and direction to the Chiefs of Staffs. Committee who had to prepure plans to carry out objectives given by them to hin.

The Chiefs of Staffs-retain their collective responsibility to the Cabinet and to their Ministers, but special Aupervision of operations day by day. We shall thus ensure that every aspect of military policy is examined and that the policies when decided are followed up with promptness and

Mr. Churchill will have

energy.

In reply to a question interjected by Mr. Lloyd George, Mr. Chamber- lain said that Mr. Churchill retained

his present position.

"But," said Mr.

Chamberlain,

am relying on him to let me know he finds the new task makes it difficult for him to fulfil his work in the Admiralty as well."

CIRCUS OPENING DELAYED

The Olympic Circus has found it "The Government will be blind necessary to postpone the opening and.deaf they do not realise that until Saturday, May 11, although the there is widespread anxiety among menugerle will open. as from to- the people of this country-people | morrow. of all kinds of views and all kinds

The delay has been unavoidably

of thoughts—that they arc not culised on account of the new Re- satisfied that the svar

being gulations relating to protected areas, waged with sufficient energy, inten- resulting in more time being required alty, drive and resolution (Heart for the transportation of the large Hear!)

amount of equipment from the whar- ves to the circus location.

Career Of Failuro

It is not Norway, alone. Norway elpating any action we might have

comes as a culmination of many taken in the laying of mines by other discontents. People are saying vading Norway, Mr. Atlee asked what information had we through that those mainly responsible for the ure conduct of affairs have had an almost our intelligence service, "We are told that we knew that there were position Cheers), in Norway. Czech-; vere uninterrupted career. of fallure (0p-: troops

dis- and ships practising embarkation

Slovakla

and Poland, and that there were

is "Too The Prime Minister four or Ave different places to which Everywhere the story they might go. I have no doubt that obtaining intelligence in Germany is about missing buses. The Govern- very difficult, but surely we have an intelligence service in Norway?

know

talks

ment have missed a number of buses since 1931; they missed all the peace.

Hitler would attack.

NAZIS PAID DEARLY

Thousands Killed In Norway Campaign

SPECIAL TO THE "TELEGRAPH" STOCKHOLM, May 7

(UP).-- there arc

"It

Is unbelievable that in Nor-uses and caught the war bus. The Reports from Oslo state Way and Denmark there could people found these men consistently indications at that elly that several wrong in their judgments. The thousand Germans were killed in the have been these elaborate pre- parations which had gone on for Same people who thought Hitler fighting In Norway as large motor so many months without anything would attack Czecho-Slovaklu, who convoys are arriving at the city with

thought Hitler would be appensed, dead and wounded. being known of them."

seemed not to have realised that! Large mass-graves are being dug Plan Known For Years

in several Oslo cemeteries cach cap- Attlee

to wanted Mr.

"There seems everywhere failure luble of holding about fifty bodies, whether we got any intelligence and to drive not

only In the Deld of whether such intelligence as we got defence and foreign policy but in was properly used.

"I have been England too. They are not organis told that the detailed plans for the ing the country's resources. We seizure of Norway by the German have had eight months in which these General Staff had been known to us things ought to have been done. We many yours.

know

are not getting organisation of food whether we were working out what or men power in the absence of could have been done to counter effective leadership. This is having those plans.

I

want to

Holland Calls Up Reserves

SPECIAL TO THE "TELEGRAPHI

a repercussion on national morale. THE HAGUE, May 7 (UP)

The Premier's Weakness Marine reserve between the ages of

ins

"The question which strikes me immediately is the vital matter of bases. The first condition should A leading article in the "Times" 27 and 28 have been recailed to active

service in Holland. have been that bases should be says that the Prime Minister's weak-

Soine have been ordered to report and ness діг safe from

been reasonably

his devotion

toiminediately to the Marine Depot at water

Surely the time factor was colleagues who are either failures Rotterdam, and others, for guard all Important?

2 or in need of rest, In the duties, are to report at Amsterdam, "The Germans landed only

tew and death struggle we cannot afford all with full equipment, troops at selected places, but if they to have our destinies in the hands were

given time, I was elear that of fallures or people needing a rest they could bring up reinforcements (Opposition Cheers). I am not sure HONGKONG REFUGEES which would make a landing very of the Prime Minister's wenkness; I think it is a particular weakness of

of the The vital thing was to obtain'an members Churchill would have 11 small air base. This was a risky opera- benches." personal statt under Senior Staff tion, but risks had to be taken.

Mr.

Attlee, in conclusion, said that

In reply to a further question, Mr. Chamberlain said that Mr. Churchill dil not assume his new powers before the Norwegian operations. difcutit.

For the purposes meritioned, Mr.

mand.

Concluding Appeal

the

"Narvik

It

the

Government Slight Increase Shown In

Government Camps

had allowed

of ion Cherral (548); Tai Hang Squatters Camp

must take 1,701 (1,707); Ngau Tau Kok Squat full responsiblity. There is ters Camp 343 (307); Kam Tin 2,188

the country, (2,180).

Omeer Major General Ismay, who want to know whether the Governmembers of the Government benches Figures of refugees and destitutes bal been appointed as an additional ment had a settled plan or whether had seen fallure after failure only in Government camps here for the member of the Chief of Staff Com- they scted hurriedly.

shifted along those benches. They week ending May 4 are as follows. have been content week after week The Bgures for the week Narvik Secondary

ending with Ministers whom they know to April 27 are in brackets. Mr.

is Chamberlain

really secondary, be concluded:

failures. They

King's Park 1,209 (1,201); Mainu- were "Once again I want to urge members Stavanger or Trondheim the loyalty to the Chief Whip to over-chung 1,448 (1,406) North Point Not Cabinet Dissension

does come their loyalty to The that in these strenuous days we real points of importance,

real needs 1,403 (1,318); Morrison E540 nol seem "There is division among us, do better occupy ourselves

with increasing oto spy on ved realised the importance of the alt of the country Cheers) rather than disputing about weapon until after the event.

"I was disturbed by what the widespread feeling in "We have only one thought and the forms of government-in the pro- that is how we can make our best duction of material, in the produc- lessons in Polond and Finland, they shall win this war-but to win this (710); in hospital 18 (18).

Prime Minister said. Despite not that we shall lose this war-we For soldiers-Argyle Street 713- contribution to winning the war. tion of planes (Cheera), tanks, guns, do not seem to have realised the vital war we want different people at the

"I am not unaware of suggestions munitions, and all

The grand total on May 4 the helm from those who led us into it 9,702, as compared with 9,501 one might almost call them de- articles of equipment that

remportance of protection from

air. Unless you could secure that, (Cheers). mands—which have been made in the quired to it out our weapons and

| April 27, showing an increase of 141. House and out of 11 for a different, make them usenble.

evacuation was certain.

“I ask whether action was taken kind of Cabinet.

"It is in the production of these "I am not speaking now of personal things that we want organisation, Trondheim and it was ten days after in time. The Germans landed nt questioria but of what might be energy and goodwill. .called £ constitutiomi form of "As far as we are concerned in the the war before we landed at Namsos

Cabinet.

Government, we are doing all we can and Andaisnes. The question is how "Some of those who have had lang to overtake the start which Germany and the Government gone in plans, and it does not alter experience, my colleagues Sirhind obtained in her long years of Maurice Hankey, Mr. Winston Chur-preparation. We are getting to-day

that the campaign in southern

has been a fallure. chill

and myself, are agreed that it the whole-hearted

arted co-operation of would not really save time or lead employers and workers. I want als to quicker decisions If we had n to get the co-operation of the menj Cabinet composed solely or mainly

of members free from departmental

work

Bre

Is impossible in taking decihlons "It to Ignore those who have to carry those decisions out. The Ministers who. to be responsible for executive work must be there when decisions are taken and must *x* press their view. Therefore, whether they are inside or outside of the Cabinet does not really make any difference:

Willing To Make Changos "They will save to take their share In making those decisions.

countless are

bers of all parties, if not all me bers of the parties, in work wh everyone recognises to be the pr need of the day.

"We Are Not Faultloss'

It is no

POLITICAL CRISIS

NOT EXPECTED

whg

on

LONDON, May 7 (Reuter)—“Reuter's" Lobby Correspond- Testing that you can start ent says that the Labour Party have decided to take no action come down from Narvik. to-night regarding the Prime Minister's statement. The Execu Herribly dimcult business. tive Parliamentary Labour Party will meet in the House of Com- Tchill Mora Optimistic

mons at 10.30 am, to-morrow to consider, the situation arising was niso the stopping of out of to-day's debate, and thero will be a full meeting of the sments. We could not stop Parliamentary Party at 11.30 a.m. at which the whole matter tement from the air, but, we "We don't set ourselves up to tie Cutiimly got a more optimistic note will be thoroughly surveyed.. disappointing; others described it as faultless. We don't..set "Xves | of what the fleet could do from Mr. The present reaction to the Prime the speech of a fired man; but in abave receiving help troj iers Churchll..

Minister's stalement is that there will the absence of unexpected develop-

one

who are willing to help vern- "In considering the inception be no immediato political crisis. The ments, a great bulk of the Govern- ment cheers). Let us then, be- of the expedition,

of the Party in crities of the whole ment supporters will be found behind fore fresh trials come upon us, put vital factors was how far could situation, but things don't seem to the Government in the event of a all our strength, into this work of you bo successful In prevent have reached the point at which a challenge being made regarding the preparing for it and We ahalling reinforcements. There was not strong body of Government sup-Government's competence to carry on the war. Such a challenge is one of was not adequate Intelligence and Porters is asking for a change. : there was not the necessary concentra-

Many Government supporters the possible outcomes of to-morrow's tion on essential objectives. 1 am thought the Prime Minister's speech Letour Opposition meeting.

steadily increase our sirength until ́ ́wa'oitraelves aƒe able to deliver our

blows where and when we will.”

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