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RIDEN MAIN DEBATE

(Continued from Page 8.)

Inaccurate Figures.

For instance the whole of the, the work of the water department quotations dealing with the pos- wuch must necessarily be exceed- albility of preventing waste through Ingly heavy for sometime to come the rider main system turned on the would, remain infinitely more dif- supply of a master meter to each ficult as it would be impossible to section. Such master motors never organize it! were in fact installed and it is very been installed with success. doubtful whether they could have

It is only necessary to consider the feelings of the residente in any

one section who were all cut off some one or other of them, the only because there had been waste by

course that would have been open

Not a Bargain.

Compromise.

The Governtuont therefore re- grets that it cannot accept the amendment proposed by the Senior Chinese Unofficial Member. Tho cepts that part of the amendment Government however rendily ne-

With regard to the monthly ports issued by the Water Authorl- ties of the total water consumption in Hongkong and in Kowloon and of the quantity of water consumed per head per day, I find that the consumption per head per day is

moved by the Senior Unoficint calculated on an estimated popula-

Member which deals with the pay- tion much lower than that given by had waste been proved.

ment by the Government of the the Census. According to Par-

cost of installing motera nud-of agraph 29 of Sessional Paper No. 4 of 1932, the population of

Further again it is wrong I sub-connecting them in all rider main the Colony, excluding the New Terri-mit to consider the institution of districts. tories, is estimated at 750,846,

We must be guarded against the the rider main system as a bargain while the population estimated for in the way that the Senior Chinese view that this payment is anything the purposes of calculating the Unofficial member interprets it. in the nature of a right conceded an ex- the Government is anxious that water consumption per head

It was a compromiso and per day is on the average, 681,377. periment, and it was a bargain in the important change now contem- I made this out from the water that the Chinese community paid plated should be made with the consumption reports issued by the for the original rider main system least possible friction. If this Water Authorities from JanuaryWhen the Government was not pre-payment would tend to reduce, such up to August 1932, that is, for 8 pared to pay for the installation, by friction the Government is pre- months. It means a difference of Way of trying out its value, but pared to go to this Council in due be a course and lo ask for a vote for the about 69,509 persons in the popula-there was not and could not tion estimated by the Census and bargain in the sense that the terms necessary funds. that estimated by the Water Were unalterable. Authorities and it makes a great difference in the computation of consumption of water per head per

day.

Under-Estimated.

A fairer view and I submit the correct view is that the experiment has been tried out and the

par chasers have received at least full value for the whole of their ex- penditure. We must not again for ret that the abolition of the rider maina has been necessitated very largely by the pressure of the Chi- nese themselves for the installation of meters.

Since the date in 1903 to which

Amendment Accepted.

The amendment moved by the Senior Unofficial Member is largely claboration of the Government's resolution as explained in the meeting and as such can be readily speech introducing it at the last accepted. The Government should pay for the new connexions, being also accepted, the whole amendment may well atand original resolution if the Council so

addition of that

I mention this because by looking at the water consumption report one may he led to think that a good deal of water has been wasted. But as a matter of fact the high rate of consumption per head per day was due to an under-estimate Dr. Kotewall refers the decision to the place of the Government's of the population.

grant meters freely to all at I trust therefore that the Gov-plicants has been the primary crament will see its way of conced- | cause of the existing condition of ing this request of the Chinese things, which inevitably leads to a Community by agreeing to this complete abolition of the system as amendment.

a whole.

.

-"Rubbing It In.“

desires.

DIVISION TAKEN.

Chinese Members' Motion Defeated.

the

the

Hon. Mr. Chau's Support.

Hon. Mr. T. N. Chaut As the I have already in moving the re-

MR. KOTEWALL'S VIEWS. motion now before Council is one solution apologised for the action which I think principally affects of the Government in overlook government: The amendment bes

The Officer Administering the interests of the Chinese com-Sir Cevil Clementi's promise to munity, or I should perhaps say the allow an opportunity for a fullfore the House is the amendment interests of the poorer classes of discussion in Council before the proposed by the Senior Unofficial] the community, I feel I would, be rider main system was abolished. Chinese Member-"That in Tailing in my duty if I did not Dr. Kotowall is at pains to impress opinion of this Council, the time venture to signify my entire agree-its offence upon the Government has come for the Colony to decide ment with the amendment in- but it can he confidently stated that upon the abandonment at the ex- troduced by the Hon. Dr. Kotowall. Str Cecil Cleruenti himself would piration of two years from this My senior Chinese colleague has, have had no hesitation in agreeing date, of the principle of the rider- to my mind, made out a very strong that the abolition of the system as main system, substituting therefore ease on behalf of our constituents, a whole was already necessary pro-the principle of compulsory meter- and as he and the Hon. Dr. Taovided he was in possession of the sure to a house supplies to which have donit so very fully with all the information which we love to-day. The alternative shall be a Tree sup aspects of this difficult problem, I That information was not avail-ply from street fountains.” do not think there is much that Iable in 1929 and in fact conditions The Officer Administering the en usefully add.

which altered the whole aspect of Government called for a vote but the case had their origin no earlier Mr. Kotewall demanded a division: Wrong Comparison.

than this year. Sir Cecil also The division was taken and re- However, in support of my senior stated that it would be impossible to sulted in the defeat of the nation to three. Details of the colleague's contention, in refuta-discard the system until there was by 13 tion of the allegation made by the full supply of water on the Is-voting are:- Hon. Colonial Secretary that the land ur the Maintand. There again Noes:The Officer Administer- daily consumption of doubt whether we are justified in ing the Government, the Attorney average water on the island is about 30% pinning him to a literal interpreta- General, The Colonial Secretary, too the Colonial Treasurer, the General higher than that on the mainland,tion of his words. If taken I would like to point out also that

Officer Commanding, The Secretary the Han, Colonial Secretary when

for Chinese Affairs, the Director of making the comparison, had omitted

Public Works, the Inspector General to take into consideration the im-

of Police, the Director of Medical portant fact that the whole peak

and Sanitary Services, Sir Henry district uses the water supply for

Pollock, Mr. W. E. T. Shenton, Mr. J. P. Braga, Mr. W. H. Bell. fushing purposes, and I am in- Plined to think that the amount of The full supply contemplated is Ayes:-Mr. R. H. Kotewall, Mr. consumption in that direction must now much nearer and may be ro-S. W. Tso, Mr. T. N. Chau. be somewhat considerable.

garded as a certainty in a few The Officer Administering the That the rider main system will [years' time. We have the choice Government: The motion now be-i have to go one day, I think we are between continuing and perhaps fore the Council is, that proposed all of one mind; what we differ ou making even more confused the by the Senior Unofficial Member. is only the question of time for its rather confused state of things as any member anything to say?, abandonment, and in view of the which now exists and beginning to convincing argumente advanced by right it only after Shing Mun is

Concessions Wanted. my two senior Chinese colleagues, complete or else of deliberately

With Your Ex- Mr. Kotewall: all of which I strongly endorse, I continuing a reasonable system submit that the two years' exten-which has already had its founda-cellency's permission. I should like sion asked for is not at ali unrea- tions laid and having it completed to say that the Chinese members sonable, and which I hope will be by the time that Shing Mun can of this Council have been requested enneeded to.

give us more water. The Govern-y those directly concerned to sak ment has no hesitation in choosing the Government for certain con- the latter course and in believing cessions in the event of their re- the retention of the that it is in the best interests of quest for

With these few remarks, Sir, I be to support the Hon. Dr. Kote wall's amendment.

GOVERNMENT STAND. Tribute to Mr. Kotewall's 'Research Work.

AGAINST AMENDMENT.

literally it might mean waiting in definitely for the experience of Hongkong has shown that growth population, usually outstrips any increase in the water supply.

Confusion Or

Yum-

(4) Computation of the water allowance on the basis of 25 cents! instead of 40 cents per unit of 1,000 gallons,

the community rich and poor alike.rider-main system not being grant-

in passing, it may well occasioned. These concessions are surprise that a system which is marised as follows:-

(1) Cancellation of the 2% subject as Dr. Kotewall admits to

included in the severe restrictions for long periods Water rate now at a time should be preferred to the 17% Assessed Taxes. proposed system which provides a (2) Lower rent for meters. much more equitable distribution () Reduced charges for excess The Colonial Secretary: The throughout the Calony and at the consumption. provisional acceptance by the Chi-same time may confidently be ex- nese Members of the principle of preted when completed to reduce the abolition of the rider main the necessity for restriction at all. system might well make it unneces Further discussion on the waste- sary for me to make any further fulness of the rider main system is (6) Persons who have direct reference to the arguments brought I fear unprofitable for in the control over the use of water to be forward by the Hon. Dr. Kotewall absence of the meters of which required to pay for excess con-

ior the retention of the system. satisfactory method of comparison. (6) Installation of one meter on It would be necessary only to dea! I must however accept the views of each floor of every tenement house, with the possivility of postponing our water authorities whose general (7) Government to compel land- action for the abolition of the experience convinces them firmly lords to instal meters within what system for two years, but I would that the system is wasteful of are now the rider-main districts. not like to pass over the earlier water.

(B) Government to bear the cost parts of the speech without a

of installing and connecting meters and tribute to the extreme care

in the case of all unmetered houses laborious research which has been

rider-main in tho

districts, the the meters themselves being paid for revented and further to the labour of collecting and of representing 80

by the people in the form of rent fully the views of all section of the

as at present. Chinese community.

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Government's Challenge.

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Reasons Given.

We have given those

It is gratifying to learn that Chinese Unofcial Moinbers after all prepared to accept principle of the resolution and it; only remains to discuss the two years delay for which they apply.

Beveral In the view of the Government it would be unwise to accept this sug-matters our careful consideration, and have also discussed them with geation.

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clinging the basis for computing record that the Government ac abolishing the rider main system the water allowance, without hav copted the interpretations put by and differences between those with ing to and other sources of revenue Dr. Kotwall on various piness of motore and those without on any (Continued on Page 11.).

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