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THE HONGKONG TELEGRAPH.

THE CARVALHO YEO TRIAL.

SIGNATURES POSSIBLY GOT BY TRICK.

WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 28. 1928.

I am asking you generally? The Crown Solicitor would draft It. I should. not do it mysolf;

Police Inspectors have to do it every hour of the day 7-They have to do it, but not every hour of the day.

You say you know what he was charged with 7-I think it had something to do with aiding and abetting.

signatures in the Treasury was the idea that possibly the signa- turos had been obtained by a trick.

That is to say that "the signa-| tures upon those cheques wore, in fact, yours and Mr. Black's, but they had been obtained by n trick in some manner-Yes,

I put it to you that that view was entertained for a considerably period: after the evening of not ontor- January 187-It was

At the trial of Carvalho Yeo yesterday afternoon, Mr. C. Mel. Messer, the Colonial Treasurer, was further cross-examined by Mr. Was the charge at that time one F. C. Jenkin, and, in reply to ques-of having awindled the Govern-tained by myself. tlons, he admitted the possibility mont out of a quarter of a million 7 of the cheque signatures, if not —I can't say definitely what the forgod, boing obtained by a trick. charge was.

Asked how he know the cheques were forgeries Mr. Messer sald he know they were not Government cheques, the writing was not that of Thang and the signature was too neat to be his own.

Witness, proceeded to explain that the first thing to do was to search everywhere, as it was fair Notice of a Roward.

ly obvious, that there had been Bome accomplico in the trick. In answer bo further questions It was proposed to carry on the Mr. Messer enid Taang was dis- prosecution against Tong On- charged about 20 days later, Mr. wing at one time was it not?--I Hazlerigg withdrawing the charge can't say. I was not prosecuting. on behalf of the Treasury. Wit-I presume, it was, because the anness said he know that notices case was adjourned from time to

were issued offering a reward in time. connexion with the affair. He could not say that he had seen them in the Press, but had seen them posted up.

You formed the opinion that the body of the cheque was in Imitation of Tenng's writing? Certainly.

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Mr. Black was in the room at the time the cheques were CX- amined?-Part of the time.

Did he express any view as to authenticity of the signature. He said that if the cheque had been covered up except the signature ho would have thought it was his. He also said that he could not have signed the cheque.

Was Teang invited to give any opinion about the writing on the body of the cheque 7-No, but I think he made some remark about it being absurd to take it for his writing.

He was also protesting in le own manner that the body of the cheque was in his hand 7-He said it was not his.

Then all three of you said the writing was not yours?—Yes.

The Arrest of Tsang, Why was Tsang arrested and kept in prison for twenty days? That was up to the Police. I

told Mr. King not to, but it was Police business.

You were very intimately, con- corned with this matter. You are a very senior officer in the Government and the only assist ance you give me on this point why Teung was arrested and kept for twenty days la that it was up to the Police ? told Mr. King that I did not believe Thang guilty and did not want him taken mway. On the face of it it was not his writing,

Were you consulted before they Was Police were issued?-It work.

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If the prosecution had, in fact, been carried on, you were potential witness in that case?- I presume so.

When asked whether he meant that he did not know, Mr. Messer said he had never been called Did Tang on January 18, when upon. Ile, was not consulted dur- he was faced by all these variousing the period of Tsang On-wing's

detention. and embarrassing questions, re- 'mind you that he had told you a

Tsang On-wing Discharged, month before about cheques.com.

Can you say this?. Was, to your ing short from the Bank?-He

tho caso against was not in an embarrassing posi-knowledgo,

Tsang On-wing being actively in-| tion.

But the Police arrested him?vestigated and prepared?-I don't You, that was later.

think I would go so far as that. I think the case had been gone into to a certain extent and it was found that there was not a shadow of suspicion against him.

Did he at any time during that afternoon remind you that he had told you previously about being 60 cheques short?-He brought in the fact as if I know I

Why Vouchers Were Examined.

Was a great deal of time spent that afternoon examining Gover ment vouchers 7-Yes, a search was made everywhere to find evidence of anything.

What was the purpose? To get any evidence we could.

But if these three cheques were dud you could not expect to find strenuine vouchers?-We wanted any evidence we could get.

Ile could only assume that; Trang was discharged after the investigations had renched' that point in the ordinary way.

"There may be an explanation for it and if so I will get it in duc course from Mr. King, who is to give evidence," said Mr. Jen- kin, before handing a police noti fication to witness. He asked Mr. Messer, whether he could identify the paper as a police notice which was issued by the C.S.P. aud which appeared in the public press on February 8, this year.

On your own evidence if you' Witness replied, "I believe there were convinced that the cheques was such a reward offered." He use of went on to say that he remember- were duds.what was the looking through the vouchers?ed seeing something about it but it was my duty to get any evidence he could not remember. in which

paper he saw it. I could.

You wanted. to make sure there were no dud vouchers inserted for Did you also make it equally the purpose of this fraud? That clear that your signature was a forgery?--I tried to, but he did not was one reason for the search.

I put it to you that you had in take it that way. I pointed it your mind that afternoon the pos- out to Mr. King, but ho went on.sibility that by the

use of dud Repeating the question. Mr. vouchers the cheques had been Jenkin said he attached great Im- obtained by-u-trick 7-Yes. portance to it, receiving the re- ply that witness told Mr. King definitely the signature was not

his.

Did you tell him that you were convinced it was a forgery? Did you tell him you believed it was

forgery -1 was certain.

You had in your mind the possibility that by means of dud vouchers your signature and Mr. Black's had been obtained, to those cheques? There was a possibility of such a happening.

I put it to you that if in fact the writing on the body of the che- And you told him you were?-ques la in Tsang's hand then It is Yea.

clear he is in the swindle?—It

Did Mr. Black niso tell Mr. would look like it. Klug that his signature was forgery 7-1 can't say.

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The Investigation. Taang was arrested, presum- ably, because the Police thought he was implicated and an in- vestigation was then instituted by the Police Into this matter?--Yes, Were you interviewed in the

of that investigation?

course Not much.

Polico Did Not Search

Did the Police help in the search when, the vouchers were inspected?-I' would not. ask the Police to help.

Mr. Jenkin: They are obliging Force.

a very

I take it that the Treasury offered the Polles Department all information at its disposal? - They got any information they wanted. We did not want to in- terfere with what they were doing.

Mr. Jenkin then drew Mr. Messer's attention to some words. in brackets in the notice which followed a reference to the threa allegedly forged cheques. The words, said Mr. Jenkin, described the cheques as purporting to be signed by the Colonial Treasurer,

which was Mr. Messer himself. Witness agreed.

Changed View?

On that date, is it possible that there was entertained in the Treasury a changed view, name. Mr. Black's ly that although signature was authentic it was your signature and your signa- ture only which was a forgery?- I never heard that suggestion.

Mr. Jenkin preased the point and witness said that he could not reply.

In your position as Colonial

Mr. Jenkin proceeded to ques- Treasurer you are a member of tlon Mr. Messer with regard to bis the Executive and Legislative Councils and the Finance Com- handwriting and points ho had, in that respect. Some a meet- taken Can you recollect. having seen mittee. Did you attend Mr. King or anyone connected ing of the Council on December points, sald witness were brought with the case prior to Teang's 807-Yes, a record short meeting to his attention by Dr. Dovey. discharge?--I know Mr. Hazlerigg of the Finance Committee of the took up the case,

No Executive Council that day? Did you have an Interview with him 7-I think I spoke to him-No. several times.

Council.

As you appear to have looked Was there any Investigation at up your movements can you tell us all by anyone as to whether the whether you are in the Treasury writing was that of Tsung?-I for the rest of the day?-I WOR there for five hours. I can tell didn't take part in it.

Did you know the charge against you exactly where I spent my Tsang. You were Chief of time. Pollee for five or six years and you would be familiar to Boma: extent with the forth of charge?

Yes, to a certain degree.

A Trick Possible.

Witness was

shown a cheque

signed by himself thore being no tail to the signature. Mr. Messer after identifying it remarked that that was the first time he had seen his signature without a tail. It was, he said a great rarity.

Re-examined by Mr. Pottar, wit neas said that the reason why he enysed the vouchers to be search- ed for was because he had to Lake

every precaution and search every Rvenue. If vouchers with the hames of the payees on the When the cross-examination allegedly forged choques had was resumed ufter the tifin ad- come before him, he would not To charge a man with forgery journment, Mr. Messer agreed he have signed them without making one uses an almost common form had said before the adjournment further enquiries as they were for of charge? I can't exactly re- that one reason, if not the only such lurge sums, member what the charges were. reason, for the scrutiny

The hearing was adjourned.

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