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THE HONGKONG TELEGRAPH. TUESDAY, JULY 27, 1920.

POLISH REVOLUTION

PROPHESIED.

INTERVIEW WITH TROTSNY. Intarianised peasantry, Commgo-Socialism, but has always boun

ently I am absolutely cuttinced | impFeit in the klea,

Ofecurse, harsplied." "What that, though, by assodden blow they might break througls, and is the Socialki kies of society but seize, for example, Smolensk, or the idea of a society in which Kieff, that success would be the parasitism shall be destroyed, a A special correspondent of the first term in a formula which society in which there shall be

That doen `nor} Muschester Guardios who has would eventually be written out no paraziten? recently returned from Russia in full and carried to its logical mean that you have to stand over conclusion in a complete collapse the parasites with a revolver, but write

Trotsky for a considerable time of the Polish Govetursent and a it does mean that measures of Polish revolution, compulsion may be applied to has given no interviews to news-victorious paper correspondents. As Milit-National feeling will merely act people who are unwilling to fulfil ary and Naval Commissary he as a brake on the process, but in their duty to the State,"

I asked, did he consider the! combines the posts of War the case of Poland a very slight Minister and First Lord Lone. A few months should see more or less military form of in- of the Admiralty, and now, the beginning of the and, in case dustrial conscripton a temporary HA or permanent during the absence of Krassin, he they insist on real war. Hitherto, expedient

has added to these the post of as you know there has been no gave very much the same reply Commissary or Minister of Ways been do real war. He said this that Sargal Kareener had given of Communication, which in the in April), and they describe the to a similar question:

"I consider it an accidant, present condition of transport is capture of a party of scouts as a perhaps the most difficult post in glorious victory of Polish arms, neither more nor less. It so

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he has been willing to go in ia self how weak must be thair which has been forced upon us we have perfected our military giving interviews in either the position at home." Russian or the foreign press is to

"And, considering the problem organisation first. It is the most dictate answers to deñnite ques- from the other side, do you not efficient part of the State appar- tions submitted on paper.

think that the International Reatus, and we therefore have to I consequently considered my-solution-in. Russia is gradually make use of it as being the only self lucky when, through assuming a national character, instrument the only organisation hand. But it. for mutual friend. I was able to and that more and more people to arrange a regular interview with are joining you, not because of example, the Executive Commit- him. I saw him in the Com-any particular social balists, bat tees throughout the country were missariat for Ways of Com-because your army is a Russian an apperatus as efficient, as rS- munication. In the outer office army, defending Russia as well liable as the military organisa tion, the business of industrial wers a strange group of officials as defending the Resolution?”

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Poland fights against us. Aron character from the first."

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couple of YOUDE know, we have thousands of F. asked, hi whether he ex-) othcors. Trotsky was sitting at Kalichak and Demifin officers Krassin's table in the inner office.

prisoners. We have not ekor Unlike Lenin, who, in spite of the them, although they shot every bullet in him. seeins but little Communist they could catch the mobilised peasants, perhaps changed, he has aged very muchask them. What are we to do But not if they see results. And during the last year. His great with you?" They reply at once. mass of dark hair has turned "Send" us against the Poles is not a workman in Russia who Delicious quite grey. He had found & to There is a certain feeling among does not realise that the re- on Krassin's table, a little sand that kind of Russian that the establishment of transport and so clase. an instrument of

Polish attack is a sort of base in of industry is an affair vital to torture for long-winded visitorsgratitude. Foland was definitely himself. When they see that we struggling to get through their freed by the Rezolution. Russis

are really doing something to re- conversation before the last sand resigned her right to Poland, and |

establish it, they will participate | has

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now the Poles by way of grath with joy even in the discipline should. I think he supplied hynde wantonly attack Russia which is involved. I do not thick the State to every Russian Go-There are Russians who think much compulsion will be neces- emment departinent and public that Poland will be reconquered! office. He tapped it threaten- and again made part of Russia.

I said. What about the skilled ingly when I asked him ahoat | Wa, of router, desire nothing ofļ

workman? As an Englishman. the obvious amlogy between the

the king."

with the tendencies to practial spccessive defeats of Koltebak.

And in the event of your con-anarchism inherent in my race. I Yudenuch, and D-nikin. "Su: that is old history, he said, and tinued military success, du fuu should object most strongly if 1 you will find what you want to think that there is a danger were mobilised and se: to work in know about it in my report to the a victorious Red arms casa particular factory. I should to work in immediately want ing with it spoil: Revolotion! las: All-Russian Assembly."

some other factory, just for the "Yes." I said, "I have readegond the frontiers of Russia"

slightest Thatake of no: doing what I was that report, but there is one thing! missing from it. In all these rould not happen during the forced to do.

"You would now. But you defeats there was a immediate French wars of a hundred years break-up in the rear following thejaga. It could not happen to-day."would not if you had been through I told biru I bad contlicting a revolution, and seen your coop- first serious set bark on the front. Yer wher you came to answers from varitas people as try in such a state that only the concentrated effort of fight the Estonians and therto the existence or abolition ufļunited 100 were forced back, their retire the system of Political Commiss-everybody in it could possibly re- estab ish it. That is the position ment was not followed by any far in the aring. He replied: troubles in their rear. Do son

"We are proceeding to abolish here. Everybody knows the posi- believe that the same formula them in two wess. In the first tion, and that there is no other that held good in the civil ware place, we are training Best officers! way. But once things begin to of the Revelation, when Russian from the workmen. That, how.improve, the need for compulsion was fighting, Rassian will hold eser, does not give us a very will disappear, together with the good when, in the case of an great number as re. In the crisis, and eventually work will attack by Poland, Russians will second place, more and more bebome a kind of sport."

With my last question I return- be fighting Poles, and nationalis: men who were Political Com- feelings will be engaged, quite missars. Communists, are now led to the Polish war. "Do you apart from the struggle between becoming fit to take command, think." I naked, " that the Polish political ideas which characteris-And, on the other hand, there war, if it develops, will maan & ed the civil war?"

are more and more of the old long postponement of the work of At this point, becoming inter-officers to whom we have grown reconstruction?"

"So, I do not. In the first ested, he became a little more accustomed, who have friendly and put the sand-glas-accustomed to us. have seen us place we shall not be fighting on away. He said: "I believe the close at hand, have worked with a number of fronts simultaneous- formula will hold good absolutely.us. and are as devoted to the Bedly. Secondly, the actual effort re- trustworthy asquired will be only a fourth or a and that nationalist feeling will army and as in the end beswamped by the ourselves. Many of these officers third of that used during the political struggle inside the have become Communiste. Many crisis of the civil war. Thirdly, nation bat is fighting us.”

others. while ot hcoming sur army is now a diferent thing So that here also one may say Communists. completely from what it was. We now havai

counter-revolutionary devoted

duts regular divisions known by the that

nones of their commanders, force, even if a national unity.for quite would begin by gaining sucesses.Compare my talk with Kamener bound by esprit de corps, with that its use of these successes the Commander-in-Chief, bimself known characteristics and qual would illustrate its counter not a Communist. They have ities. We are no longer fighting revolutionary character, would realised that the Sovie: Govern-with untried tools, solving equa- with several unknown create divisions within itself ment is the only Government tions which. becoming pronounced the capable of holding Russia to quantities. We are asing for de- moment there successes began together at the present time. If finite purposes troops which have be liquidated, would lead to cat-they understood why, they would already proved that they are fitted astrophic collapse from within?" perhaps be Communist, huit, not for those purposes.. Finally, the Certainly. The existence of understanding why. they none condition of Poland is such that strong national feeling postpones.the less recognise the facts and the struggle should not last long. retards, but does not prevent the are prepared to fight for us. You They may take Smolensk, but two process. Esthonis stopped 6ght-must remember that there are months after that should see them ing in time. Who knows what two kinds of partriotism; that defeated." would have happened if she had besides the cunning, selfish, so- been forced to go on fighting for called patriotism that is ready to another six months? Remember give away four-bftbe of Russia that there also they have to shoot to foreigners if only with foreign their Bolsheviks, that their belp and foreign troops its ex- Trade Unions Council expressed ponents can secure that they FAMOUS TESOR'S WIFE ROBBED. itself in favour of a Soviet govern-shall have the power in the re- New York, June 9-Mrs. Ea ment, and that they thereupon maining fifth, there is an idealrico Caruso, wife of the famous shot 26 and deported about a patriotism that is really unsel tenor, was robbed yesterday even bundred of the delegates, and fishly for Russia. As soon as wing of jewelry valued at £100,000. | that, notwithstanding a second perceive that we can really trust The burglars entered the Caruso congress, undeterred, adopted a man, we do trust him, and so in summer home at Easthampton, similar resolution. The that way also are proceeding Long Island, and carried off & already clearly with the abolition of Political small safe containing the jewals process Was visible. Yet consider the posi-Commissars. Why, many of the from the bedroom, making their tion of. the present Esthanian officers who work with me daily

escape over the verandah roof..... Government fairly stable, because I can treat with the same con- they have a very small proletariat fidence as comrades who have "L.C." MUST SACK OR BE JAUKED. The Daily News says: Differ- and a very large agricultura given half their lives to the re-

ences between the Allies in re- population of small farmers. volutionary movement.”

"But this does not apply to We turned them to the question gard to Russia there can will be, Poland at all. There they have a of industrsal conscription. I told but differences within the Cabinet very large, thoroughly revolu- him that that the previous night there cannot be. If Mr. Lloyd of the peasant population is which I had not been able to re- palling one way, while he pulls similary revolutionary on account member accurately, to the effect the other, only two courses com- patible with honour are open' of the enormous size of the big that the idea of industrial con- Either they must go or he must. estates. It is, as it ware, a proscription is not a new, ingraft on

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