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OPIUM STOCKS CASE.

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I suppose for the cases that were in the Talati godown..

Add the extra-sized cheats that were landed in the Kowloon Godown?-No, they wore landed

The Cas: for the Defence

Yesterday in tha

Police there. Court before J. R. Woo the

And these permits relate specifi. hearing of the Gase WAN con oily to those that were landed in tinued in which Ivor Gourgey Kowloon Godowns? I got per- was charged;-For that upon its for every separate lot. search being made at No. 10 Ice

Let us confine onselves to the House Street Viotaria, in this Colony on October 1, certain particular chests found in the Persian opiumi being the equiva- godown. lent of the amount that would Mr Slade:-It is a matter of he ordinarily contrinod ine imprnce because they fifteen chet of Persian opium were not all together. "I got stored in the name of Ivo Gourgey permit for its removal."" nt No 10 Ice House Street, was found to be missing from No 10 Ico House Street being the place where according to the permit authorising its storage such Fer- sian opium ought to have boon found stored.

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Mr Hodgson I know my friend's point of law. I will take it separately.

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Mr Sladd-I supposed all the time they were big cheats.-

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Can you tell me any other places that you have exported opium to ?-Sometimes it comes frow London to Singapore.

No, I mean from here. I don't mean from London. You haven't exported anywhere except to Lon don?-Weli, of course, accord- ing to instructions from cliente. I have exported according to instructions from clients.

That is not my question, Mr Gourgey. My question in have you exported to anywhere from here except to London-No, because it is the only place that it is allowed to go to.

Now all thess chests, that you sported and exported agnia were all small cheats 7-Yes,

Now on July 2, you imported four chests, extra sizɔ, the sub- Mject matter of one of these charges Yea I ordered fifteen chests, for connected with the charges?—

Mr Hodgson Now, Gourgey, let me ask you this: the permit you got for removal of chests from the China, you sup posed the portait was for goods landed from the China into the godown at Kowloon, and to he transferred into the Talali go-marked "extra size."

Mr P. M. Hodgson appeared for the Crown, and Mr M. W Starle K. O, instructed by Mr W. E. L. Shenton, of Messrs Deacon Looker, Deacon and, H-rsion, for the defence.

The following transpired after downs?-Yes. we had gone to press.

Ivor Gourgey said I am the the defendant on this suramone, and I imported a quantity of Persian opium the subject matter of this charge.

And did you suppose the per- mits for removal from Talati's godown to 10 Ice House Street were the permits for the sam cliels Yes,

Did you get the same answer to the chaste landed from the Iyo Maru and the Tango Mara ?-Yes, Now, Mr Gourgey, I want to

His Worship-The four extra sized chests are not the subject of this charge, are they?—

Mr Hodgson: Not the ones

His Worship:-Where are we now?

by the Chin, I think came from Mr Hodes in The four chests London, Mr Gurger ?—Yes.

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Surely, Mr Gourgey, you must bave some record of these pur- chrses?-Yee, but I can't tell you unless I find.out.

All the fifteen cases?—Yes. And when you shipped these cases to London, did you ship them by the same people?-tall depende; as I am instructed by the different people.

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But do you know?-I don't know for certain.

Have you ever known of any Mr Slade :-Now, with regardinember unless I seo' to them, body else bringing extra eized to the sizes of chests in which His Worship-Would

for Persian opium is imported into like to have recorda? this Colony and in the case of Mr Hodgson I should like: Persian opium which is re-export-to have records. Of course, I ed from Bombay after being land- quite realise he cannot definitely ed in Bombay, is there any limit remember. I could not do so At any rate you will admit it in the sizes of the chest 7-Well myself, I am quite sure. At the in unusual?-Well it is sold by they are not allowed over 140 lbs. same time I want to put this to weight so it doesn't matter at all. you, and I will give my friend,| That may be, but it is unusual And what are the weights in Mr. Slade, the list altarward, in the trade Mr. Gourgey to im- practice as regarde Persian opium and you will be entitled to ret ut port in extra sixed cases?--I have

what is in practice, the limit it if you like it may not be ne- beard that others do import. of the net weight per chest, becessary. On December 6, 1912, tween 140 lbs., and what ?-It varies from 150 to 100,

But the lower limit ?About 114 or 115 lbs,

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Now, with regard to opium not landed in Bombay, according to Jour experience at what weight do chests run, net weight-Well it all depends on the shipper-what weight he likes.

Apart from your own experience, by what weighs do you receive Persian opium in chests?-Three hundred pounds

Net weight? Yes.

you imported through Bombay eighteen cheste. Do you remem ber that?-Unless I see my books Icnonot say.

It is quite possible? You don't deny it ?—It is quite possible.

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Mr. Hodgson:-Therefore, Mr.sball I say, the chest of ordinary Gourgey, as ear as you are con-o, the weight in this Colony cerned, antiquita, recently all means a small size generally your importantions were all small used among merchauts ?-I only cheats?—Yes.

applied for a parmit for so many chests. I know nothing else. (Continued on page 9.) ·

Now will you tell me where these big cheste, from three ships. the China, the Iyo Maru and Tango Maru were destined for?

For here for sale. *** Ia Hongkong ?-Yes.

Did you conceive the idea or your shippers to send out extra ized cheats-a very smart iden if you did?--It is not a surprising thing they could do so if they like.

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Mr Hodgeon:It is not against ing with opium? In what way you if you if: you did.-No

Personal attention is given to I don't wish to trap you in any

For instance a chest of opium So as far as you were concerned the examination and the litting way. No, I know you don't,

On December 12. vou purchas-means a package with raw opinm the idea was entirely conceived of lenses that will relieve all

in it of the size and character by the shippers ?--Yes. trouble. The only charge is for MILKMAID another twelve cheets ?--I cannot the importation of raw opium ?--a permit for the removal of a

Do you agree with me that a the glasses. generally used by merchants for say unless I see my books. I don't know anything about chest of opium from one place to

And on December 24, you pur-that..

another would ordinarily mean the removal of a small cheat from one place to another, having re-

chased from F. P. Talati niiet

cheats?—I cantot remember. But you know the character Is Persian opium told in Trng. And that makes thirty-soven and size of the opium imported kong here by the chest or in what chests. And these thirty-seven into this Colony is a small size? way ?-By weight.

cheats were exported to London As far as I know there is no stan Is there any mercantile reason on January 1, 10137-Yos, daril chest.

say.

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The usual weight, in your why the cheats should contain I can remember that.. any specified amount, more of You may not remember the perience of dealing with opium less P-No, none.

actual dates, hut you might easily you must have seen a good many Mr. Hodgson-Mr. Gourgey, remember the exportations. Thore of them ?--You can import any can you tell me when you import are not many in the course of a size and weight. ed that 300 lbs, or when the inst

year. On January 23 you im-

I know Mr. Gourgey you can cheat of extra size from the ported sbrough Bombay fifteen import any size and weight with Kowloon godown?-Loan not tell chests, and on April 12 two out infringing the law, but you you which is which, because they chests the same way.?-I cannot know the general cheats coming vary in weights a few pounds.

into this Colony to the merchants, And on May 6-that is seven-are of a general size 7That is teen chosts and on May 6 you through Bombay, exported these seventeen cheats to Well you can answer it that London ?-I remember that

you like to hodge- way if And on May you imported, coming from Bombay. And That part of those chests, that three days later, through Bombay, it is a fact that nearly all is what I want to know, now in six cheste ?-I cannot remember, the Persian opium coming Kowloon godown?—I don't know. It is difficult to remember im- into this Colony does come! You say you have imported portations. I quite realise that, through Bombay? No, very often cheats of 300 lbs 2-That is the You purchased from Mr. F. P. they get it from somewhere else. first lot.

Talati five and a half chests and

But is it one of these chests your are referring to? Well some of them 280 and 200 and 300. I cannot tell you which is which.

You mean the subject matter you imported through Bombay of this charge?—Yes.

aixteen chests the same day. That

I only want to make quite sure. in twenty-seven and a half chests, But the others are about the and thirty one and a half werd exported to London on July

Bame.

Now with regard to these per-167-I cannot say mits or applications for permita Do you know it was in July? of removal, do you consider they cannot tell you.

were applications for permits for

You have some record of that,

removal from the Kowloon Go haven't you?-I suppose so.

from London.

Where?-From Singapore and

That from Singapore might c me through Bombay as well.

Mr. Slade:It may come know. through Bagdad, you (Laughter),

down, to Daddell street and Now, assuming those were all you have lost your appetite

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cause sometimes we get them 180 and 200 lbs, there is no stipulated weight.

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