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Intimation.

LIMITED,

THE HONGKONG TELEGRAPH THURSDAY MARCH 25. 1909,

rvice

POST OFFICE, PRO

STOL STAMPIṀALLEORD:

"FOUND:

NDAKTE, POSSESSION, William Nuttall, the clerk in the employment

COTION.

DEEN

(ZUROPEA

eran on $900K $150 a month➡the feeling secondly, in view of the altered conditions: which have arisen in the last 30 years, to make: Farainst it might not bara best so changes is the system of jurisdiction ovat BRE

with fish subjects in Stam,ege autovaru. tored in the Ditish-Consula'ês before the data.

Mr. J. R.

on what may be termed of the General Post Office, who is only nine-

Stoo this morning to stand the charge of r moving postage stamps from packages, which were underbit charge. To this accusation the defendant has already pleaded not guilty.

The Crown wall represented by dr. F. B. L. Bowley (Crown Solicitor), Mr. P. W. Goldring, of Messrs. Goldring, Harlow and Morzoli, acted for the defencere v

teen years of age, surrendered to ble ball of latened Wed.com

department has been under the control of Britlib financial experis feat by the Indian Government, men of recognised ability who bass completely re-organised the finances of As to jurisdiction:all British subjects: KERE W'ora liyas am, open: for all to s the country, Incrossed the revenue, established of the treaty are subject to the International, also indicated a A. S. WATSON & CO., the currency on a gold basis, and introduced and exercised furisdicioneve perish the suspect list, it can easily be understand, Innumerable reforms which could never have subjects in the north for 25 years All That deap ladignation should have been aroused. bren worked out by the Siamese themselves; British subjects registered after the date of. If the Government was invariably immaculate the treaty are subject to the jurisdiction of the uhe railway system has been organised, and ordinary Stamets Cogits: When the Shamere and adopted measures to protect the ordinary. operated d by an exceedingly capable staff of codes are completed, this distinction will dis citizen against the wiles and abandon al foreign Germans, who, however, have usually fol-appear and all British subjects will be ander invaders, the matter would not have been so

the jurisdiction of the ordinary Conris, Mendler ve TripERE! lowed the principle of kooping "their aio

angular. But the zaverse in the case. Even sea-fish for their nin sea-maws"; while most

if the Government bid limited its depics to the

of the other countries with possibly the ex- ception of France, which has attended strict ly to the duty of safeguarding be interests of her nationals and protégé have had repre- sentatives in the various official departments

· ESTABLISHED AN. 1841.

CHEMISTS

BY APPOINTMENT TO HIS EXCELLENCY THE

GOVERNOR AND HOUSEHOLD,

Watson's HYGIENOL,

AND

Guarantece are provided in the form of European advisers to all cases in either class of Courts where British subjects are defendants

committed on board

An, ledian-inspector (Fooles)

moned Mr.A, G. Gile, of Pay of the Electric Tramway

asacit and for slog abus

Langur

him, "whereby breach of thes

have been occasioned."

Mr. D. V. Staarenada, of Mes

as accused. When a European British sub.young upmarried bloods of the service there alleged facts of the case. After be had ex Locker and Deacon, prosecuted:

fect is a party, the adviser will sit in the cap acity of judge.

All appeals lis to the Bangkek Court of Ap peal, in which judgments are to be signed by iwo European fadges,

Henceforward-British, subjects will be re-

dinary taxation.

prepared to assist the Govatament of Siam in levd of the restrictions upon the holding of her desire to become a luminary in the firma-hued propasty, etc. They will be subject to ment of Oriental nations. All along Siam hae from that synopsis, it will be seen that Great recognised that so long as extra-territoriality Britain foregoes many of the privileges sho existed her efforts at self-government-sing has enjoyed in Sinm, while, the compensa the term in its widest sense-were-to-a-large tion she will receive in retura is scarcely biased degree thwarted and it has been her purpose at. When it is remembered that there ale to get rid of this bandicapping condition at the some 7,000 Asiatic British subjects in Siam, least possible cost: The question was: What and several hundred European, Britishers 19

at Siam to offer in exchange for the rights enjoyed by the Powers represented at the meso capital? There are only three

Bangkok it will be understood that the ques tion cannot be dismissed lightly, particularly when it is remembered that many of the largest

would have been little to carp at. But as it stands the circular is regarded as å stor and an unjust insinuation on the character of the older men who have settled down to lives of respectability and the rearing of future or vants of the Crown.

LOCAL AND GENERAL. Fox refusing to accept hire when disengaged chair coolie, this morning, had a fius of Sto to pay. F. J. Eity, an overacek, of 2, Chico Terrace, was the prosecutor,

THE coolje, Yau Fuk, who attempted to relieve an eight year-old girl of her bangle in Welling to Streat on Tuesday last, was sentenced to three months hard labour to-day, Jaspector

BUBONIC PAGUE! It has been proved by repeated experiments that WATSON'S HYGIENOL" is the most potent agent for the destruction of floss, countries whotsextra-territorial power ste con undertakings financed by British capital and Gourlay prosecuted.

especially rat flean,

that

It has now been proved Plague is conveyed, to likiman beings by means of fleas from rats which have died of this disease.

All risk of infection can be avoided by washing, the floors, etc., or sprinkling where the dens are likely to be with a dilute solation of "WATSON'S, HYGIENOL." A 162 spoonful to a pint of water, or a teacuplalt three gallons, makes a solution of the strength, required for this purpose.

HYGIENOL IS A POWERFUL DISINFECTANT AND GERMICIDE

Price per Pint..

Gallon

.50 cents

........$2.00

HONGKONG DISPENSARY

AND - KOWLOON DISPENSARY, Hongkong, 17th March,-1909..

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Mr. Bowlsy proceeded to deal with the platoed at some length the workings of the Post Office, (be Crown Solicitor went 9q3 to say in the Parcels Department from nine o'clock that on Friday last the defendant was on duty until he was suspooded that day. All that day he had been engaged in entering the parcels in the journal and issuing receipts for them. The defendent had charge of the London insurance. parcels. The Parcels Departmoor was in charge of the Superintendent of Registration. There were four clerks, including the defendant, der him. On the day it question, Mr. Martin, the superintendent; before leaving for sin, noticed that one ofthe parcel baxta had not been securely fastened and he drew the clerks attention to it. The box was re-opened and re-packed, and it was then discovered that a number of the parcels were deficient in stamps,

Mr. Bowley pointed out at this juncture that no receipt could be given for insured. parcels unless the proper amount of stamps

Kong Sing defended.

It was stated that no the night

car at Observation Place, golog instant the defendant and thei

The conducios applied for the far ant produced a monthly ticket, which be exh bited. The conductor called for the lady's fare. The defendant said that he had only and if he paid he wanted Hongkong money in change. This was not possible, and'

was asked to sigui chithich do, taking the chit from the con throwing it away. Whe

dant

Ship Street the conductor called plainant to whom he complained,

When approached by complainant, the fendat produced the $to bill and said: " want Hongkong money change.”

Complainant said he was sorry, but that the conductor had not sufficient.change,

stantly being exercised-Great Britain, France operated by British labour, have been estaban interesting sonyeoir of the International was, affixed, otherwise the counter clark had. Then give me the 5 o bili, complainant and, to a lesser extent, Germany. The British, lished in the belief that-extra-territoriality in phum Conference at Shanghai has been 10 make up the deficiency. While the Lon. f.said, and the company will send you the

Siam was certain to remain an assured asset. Guarding THE MORALS OF "GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS,

Court is daily occupied" with 'caies to which British subjects are concerned, both in civil and, criminal actions, and it is presided over by a judge of experience and acumen, while the bar is represented by English lawyers who have. We have learned with no little surprise and pasted through the fopi of Court. In the astonishment that within the last few days the French Court there is lazs business, the Government of Hongkong, nuimated nodoubt. questions dealt with being mostly concerned edly by a new spirit of righteousness and glory; with titles to properly; while the German Court has had in Circulation among the members of seldom has occasion to sit more than once a the Civil Service and the Police Force a docu-

mooth

M:

the extent.

The complainant was called and examfoed-

Mr, Kong. Sing-You can read, can you Yes,

This be also refused to do. At Arsonal Strest received by Mr. J. J. Leiria from one of the don iosurance parcel box was being Je-packed, change in the morning. Portuguesa delegates. It is a group photo-be pursued, it was noticed that three parcels the defendant attempted to stop the car, bọt graph of all the representatives of the Powers (No. 105 107 and Jop) were complainant ordered the motorman to proceed. althe Conference. The various members are ciast in postage stamps to

It was alleged that defendant then seized hold. of $4, which was made up as follows of the inspector, and pearly shook him off ( two parcale St.so each and the third a dollar. A clearly distinguishable in the photo, A JAPANESE women was fined in the Police fourth parcel was seen to bear a clean dol'arat He also called him a "black cow. Court, this morning, for disorderly, behaviour stamp without a post mark, and, it appeared the public strast last night. She was seen that the stamp had been put on after the parcel by Policomas Wilson to approach an American had been post-marked. On investigation it was allor and throw her arms around his neck. found that the counterfuil recolpit for these Such amorous; behaviour the szilor did not parcels were in the bandwriting of the defend- Sio was imposed.

apparently he was the only person who handled the parcals. The matter was reportal to iba Postmaster General, who reat defendant à me morandum calling upon him to report on the deficiency. The defendant replied excusing himself, and as this was not satisfactory to the Postmaster the latter wrote again. Once more the defendant replied, and once more on satis faction could be obtained, and defendant was

And was not this the ticket defendant

You knew his name right along ?—Yes;

Dida't be say to you that he would send you

the tea cenis just as easy as you could retain his $10.7—No. -

It was necessary, then, to inducement which, if it contains all the innuendoes like, and the woman was arrested. A fine of ant; he'slove entered them in the journal, and you? Yes. * Great Britain to give up her advantages in re-related to us on what we are constrained to turn for a guid pro quo which could be accepted believe is good authority, calculated to without loss of prestige; in order that the other lead to indignant and insubordinate views Powers might be induced to follow suit. For on the part of these individuals who have several years past, the British Government, no option but to sign it by order." The one way or another has been acquiring a subject dealt with in this precious docu.instant, but succeeded in getting into port. growing ascendancy in the Malay and Siamese mens la scarcely a savoury one to air in States either directly, or through the medium the public press, as it refers to a condition of of resident ministers and private commer-affairs which is to be deplored although at the

A. S. WATSON & CO., cial interests. The Government of Siam same time the causes which have led in the

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has been vainly endeavouring to secure past to this condition have largely lain with be ika undisputed sovereignty of the feudal states Government itself. It is impossible to be of Kedah, Kelantan and Tringaonu, but the mealy mouthed over the matter however one rajths of theis provinces have employed every might desire to gloss it over. Accordingly means in their power to hold themselves in

to put it bluntly, the circular refers to the danandant and kann man nelived per cavant 80 evidence of their feudalism. If Siam had been strong enough she would have undoubted ly seat, expeditions to these recalcitran! states in order to compel their allegiance and reduce them to the positing of inferior tribu (193taries. But Sigm had neither the power not the money to spend on such incursions and the rójábs have consistently refused to recognise

-- "URSYTH-MOIR.–Da tha 24th March, at 81. John's Cathedral, Hoogkáng, by the Rev. F. T: Johnson, M.A., GEORGE GRANVILLE SUTHERLAND, youngest son of the late Rev. W. Forsyth, D.D., of Abernethy, Strathspey, N.B. 19 MARGUERITE ELIZABETH, ' elder daughter of the late Frank Moir, Esq., of Duades, 'N.B.

from former bine cu 2010 surce of reasons unknown, the Government has arrived" at the belief, which it either unjust to the respectable and honourable officials attached to the departments là question, or is an evil existing to such an extent that it should have long since been suppressed, that a proportion. of the men maintain mistrésies whe connal be tegally recognised but, who, nevertheless, in

The Houghing Gelegraph the superiority of King Chulalongkorn over certgia contingencies, may become a bugden on

HONGKONG, Thursday, March 25, 1909.

BRITAIN'S SUBSTANCE-FOR-

* STAM'S·ŠHADOW, "

The trite remark, which frequently does doty as argument, that the man on the spot" is Jese capable of lakini a detached view of diplomatic questions which affect him person.

ally than he who surveys the scene from a dis tance will unquestionably be employed by the Foreign Office when the newtireaty between

Tix steamer Fuyomaru, owned by Mr. Harada Jujizo, of Osaka; which left Osaka some days ago for Tringtau and Ubafoe via Kobe, caught fire at the estrance to Tsingtau or the 14th

We learn from the Mainichi that the cargo was insured for Yto,on and the steamer for Y50,000. Details of damage are not yet known. MR. J. J. Leiria, Consul for Fortugal, paid an official call on Vice-Admiral Harber on board the flagship Charleston, this afternoon. The U. S. Commander-in-Chief plated bis barge at from the Charissten. The usual: salute was Consul Leiria's disposal on his visit to and fired as the Consul boarded the flagship

it before bid departure on Saturang

LABOUR CONFERENCE:

- INTERNATIONAL CONVENTION OF THE

ment:-

26TH SEPTEMBER, 1906. - -

ordered to be suspended,

Are your instructions from the office to stop people from leaving a cas?--Yes, if they won't, pay their fare.

Are those your testructions ?--You. N Before this tummods was brought you were taken to the office-by Mr. Scott?-Yan

And some inquiring wera mada? Yes,nep Why didn't you on-that occasion report to Mr. Scott that you had been assaulted?-I did,

sir.

Wild gang" mak

The Postmaster-General then ordered thit. every piecel in the departaient he checked, incla ding six consigned to Australia. Each of these. six parcel had been received by the defendant, who deposited them in their proper boxes. These The conductor of the car gave corroborative deficient. The first parcel had no stamp at all, he thought that when defendant paced the parcels when scrutinized were also found to be evidence, lo cro-examination, be said that' the second bore a twenty-cent stamp instead complainant be did so to get past him,

Policeman Stuart was the nart witness. -Ha make n mele were so difp. 100% sy deposed to being called by the complainanty

a long story abort the deficiency in portage amounting in this

and ibai there was: care to go. The police ware Immediately Rasilemas on a our who bad refuted to pay solified, and Detective Sergeant J. J. Watt his ford. When the policeman fesched went with Mr. Martin to the defendant's the car the complainant asked him to bouse. He was not there at the time, but show his ticket. The reply he received

As wit appeared some time later only to find was Go away, you black cur the visitors. The detective told the defendant pass was ou special duty at the City Hall the object of bis vinit; ho sold be was going to be could do nothing in the matter, so be directe strest him, and asked whether he consented toed the inspector to proceed farther down and.

he would meet another officer at the corner, be searched. Delendent turned out, the con tents of his pockets and produced a number of

The defendant spoke to offering the con dectoralo bill and asking for change in Hong stamps-some clean, some defaced.

kong money. As none could be got be gave the inspector to understand that is would market value for collectors. Not all of the 19 He did not remember calling complain slamps were recovered, and it must be baras ant a black cow" or'a “black, cuz” la mied that the Australian parcels reached Cross-examined He had held a mosibly tite Post Office several days before and the ticket for three or four months. As a rule, he

It was obvious, Mr. Bowley went on to te mark, that clean stamps could always realiz

their provinces. At the same time the agents the Government or at least a zuince to the of Great Britain have been graciously received relieving staff. We may have some faint iden by these semi-independent chiefs and their as to how this belief originated but it has noth advice has been received and acted upon evening to do with, the case. In any 'avent, soms supports the adherence of the Colony to the ĺ their face value; while defaced ones had a' send the ten cenis to the company next morn.. when it did not chiacide with the principles highly moral individual, whose unctuous enunciated by the Siamese Government. "Here rectitude is beyond cavil, and who has ap. then was a pretty pickle. These states were parently been studying the doings of the. a thora in the side of Siam; they were of Agapemone and Smyth-Pigolt's "Abode of employing Asiatic labour. In their opinion the defendant had time to convert them into cash. "paid bis wife's fare. He was asked if he would

#actically no value to the suterain power; the proclamations of the Government were ridiculed trouble and vexation. Why not get rid of and ignored; they were a source of continual this shudo ay dominion for the solid substance

The following aply was sent to the Govern

Chamber of Commerce,

24th March, 1909 Sir, I am directed to reply to your letter of the 26th February, 100 (No. 36c9/1907) lar Government by the Secretary of State for the warding a copy of a despatch addressed to the Colonies and inquiring whether this Chamber International Convention of the 26th Septem bor, 1900...

My committes do not consider that restrictive measures of this nature should apply to a Colony isbaurer in this Colony is relatively better off than his European confrère and it will be time

measures when it can be shown that labour is enough for the Colony to adopt protective

facing a local employer are already great unjustly treated by employers. The troubles enough without unnecessarily adding thereto,

ment.

His excons was that he had picked up the sign achit, but witness refused. He did not stamps from the fi sor in the Parcels Departed, the company the ten costs he owed them

astil five days afterwards. UNN

to deal with the case summarily,

Mr. Goldring We would like your Worship

His Worship feed the defendant 55 on sach charge.

Love, has framed a formidable document, which is nothing more or less than an indict: of Civil Servants and Constabulary.. Of course meat against the morality of the entire force this interesting document makes no assertions of extra-territoriality? Why not hand the states the document, as we understand it, is far too Great Britain, and Sara is ratified. It is pro-over to Great Britain, which didactually exercise cleverly drawn up for that but it requires that--For these reasons my committee regret that bably true that where an individual's personal power over the rajahe, and regain the right all the officials in the departments we have, they cannot support the adherence of the orvant was a serious offence. The charge Interests are concerned ha should be moved which was essential to the standing and reputa referred to shall promise that, from now and Colony to the Convention.

1

I beg to return the memorandom as request ed.I have, &c.

(Sgd.), B. A. M. WILLIAMS, Secretary.

Mr. Rofas H. Thayer, the newly-appointed

and that defendant might have been charged with larceny: Larcency for a Governinest

Mr Bowley said that it was a serious offence

was framed under the Pos: Office Ordinance, which was a misdemeanour. He did not like to say much at this stage of the case; but the prosecution had taken into consideration the youth of the defendant, and he thought hin Worship should deal with the matter himself

Evidence wa

wax iben laken, and the case fur. ther adjourned.

'WRIĦALWEF'LAND ANDER

BUILDING COMPANY,

TAHURE OF WEI-HAI-WEI UNCERTAIN This morning, in the Supreme Court Sir

STABBED IN BED,

STRANGE AFFAIR AT YAU-MA÷TI)

What is balleved to hire beas the work of the Triad Society was accomplished at Yan- ma-ti lait sight, when an unfortunate coolis who, perhaps, had sat the Society against Kim, was most cruelly stabbed,hich nece his, ¡pstant removal të the Gevaraka Hospital His alleged assailant, giving the Dams of Cheung Chu, who residen in Third Street, West Point, was arrested. d. The Yau-ma-ti, police' kare Investigated the

matter most carefully, but like societies, the motive for the stabbing la cares

by biar and prejudice rather than guided by tion of tire Siamese judicial system? Whether henceforth they shall not be guilty of main- the wider spirit of the national well, but these were the arguments which induced the taining an establishment which is not of a will scarcely be desied that in the pre- seal instance Siam appears to have 'made' a

Government of Siam to enter into negotiations strictly proper character. In other words, it is better bargain that she could have expect with the British plenipotentiary at Bangkok or suggested that the oficials spend their spare Hon. Mr. F. B. MAY, CHP ed. Briefly, under the sew treaty, which has not, the fact remains that when this neg treaty. time enjoying themselves in questionable ways. Colonial Becretary.

is ratified British subjects will no longer have Perhaps the Government may dispute that you to be ratified, Siam agrees to cede to the United Kingdom her suzerainty over benefit of trial in their own Cours under the view, but it certainly is the view of those oficiale, JUDGE THAYER IN HONGKONG! the states of Kedah, Kelaning and Tria-taws of the United Kingdom but will come who lend as unblemished life and against VISIT TO THE SUPREME COURT. gaunu jo zetura for the power to exercise Juris under the terms of the Biamese Code. It whom not the faintest whisper of indecosous

is true that when a Butopaan British subject conduct could be made. How a Govera-judge at the U.S. Court at Shanghal, who re: Francis Piggott (Chief Justice) presiding, Sir fully guarded. veel diction over all British subjects resident in Siam. That means that Great Britais waiyes is partly to a suit a European adviser-not ment which has not shown itself particularly cently anived in the Colony en reats to Canton, Honey Berkeley, K. C, who was instructed by At about eight o'clock last eveslag, colle ber right of extra-territoriality which has work necessarily, a Britisher will uit at judge, and interested fa ethical ideas should have arrived was present in the Supreme Court this mording. Mr, G. G. Balley, applied on behalf of the named Leung I'Fong visited Cortale Hong *ed satisfactorily for many years, and has had that in appeal cases the judgments will be at such a position as to, dictate what men of He occupied a seat on the bench with the Wel-bai-wel Land and Building Co Ltd, for in Temple Street in search of a lady friend. the approval of overy British subject, who has signed by two European judges, but that can probity should cat du it is difficult to conceive Chief Justice, Sir Francis Piggott Dr. Forder to reduce the capital of the Company The lady, unfortunately, was at boms and she had dealings with the British Court in Bang only be considered a temporary arrangement. There are no exceptions made as to those who Hinckley, clerk of the U.S. Court at Shanghal, from Taels 250,000 to facle 200,000, Counsel invited Leung to smoke, which kok and elsewhere, for the possession of the The thin end of the wedge has been inseried shall or shall not sign this momentous

was also present. three Siamoic states over which the Govern.and all British rights to British justice will be effusion; every member of the combined de- ment of Slam has held but shadowy dominion abolished as soon as Siam pels strong enough partments must adhibit his signature. What sincathe present dynasty was founded. For the or can offer sufficient inducement to secure pains and penalties await thoip who refase to last couple of decades, Siam has bess making that end. Is it to be wondered at that the sign it we cannot tall but presumably nothing strenuous efforts to become a recognised force European British subjects in Siam feel less than the most fourful puoishments known in the international affairs of the Far East, and Tawap the subject? They see them to the Chinese deities will be their portion. te taking Japan as her model has been latent on Elves and the property committed to the asiting berhouse in order, introducing Western tender mercies of Siamese Justice and their methods of administration in every department, sights filched away froos them by diplomatic forming for army and navy on modern llaes, methods in which they had no voice. At pro- with European instructors for the army and sent the procis terms of the treaty are une

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WANTED—SALARY, A

said thai the Srm had passed a revolution for While lying on the opium bad talle

His Lordship—1 don't think I have to cón. sider the motivo.

the reduction of the capital of the Company, | at the end of a pin over the lamp, a man sud- That reduction had been rendered necessary decly entered the room and, without

D. R. CAPTAIN'S APPLICATION,

because of the uncertainty of the teanrd of word, salsed Leung by the shoulder Wel-hei wel. A

ing out a shoath kaifs quickly, átabbed An application

was made in the Bankruptcy

twess the shoulder and the back, Jurisdiction Court today (the Chief Justice

Pursued by a policaman and presiding) by Mr. C. F. Dixon, of Mestre Bic Henry-No, my lord. The motion of nations, the avaliant bolled do may be, taken for granted, however, that the Captain for salary to be paid out of estate in cause of any lose, possible insolvency, but buildings, and eventuall Haninge mod - Hanings, un babait of D. B. The codpady to reduce its capital je pot be- Strep Into Folia Simet, officials will sign the circusur, just as they were bankruptcy. Mu Dixon observed ibat the because there is more money than can be dis private labe compelled to siga away the furdi which they had applicant had managed the business lace posed of profitably, It is proposed to return | avaY. accumulated under the old Widows and Or February 19, and adjudication order had been to the sideri 5 táois par sharp. phans' Fension Fuud. If the Government in its | made last Thursday. Slace then the business

had been sold.

European navigators and engineers in the navy. Į known, but an official statement has been alteregenerate the respective staffs in question cutit Lordship Sold? To whom ar The Siamese beach has had the advies of issued by the General Adviser to the Slamein. had amply confined-its-missionary efforts to "Japanese judge," while her legal interests have Government in the following terras-VA

the uplifting of the younger and wilder, meme. bost protected by an American Jurist as advisar The objects of the treaty are;; first, to settle bars of the departmenta➡1 sad a British Attorney Cagent'; the Enancial, political questions to the Malay Peninsula, and, lead the liver of the boroni

baies who

What is the object of the ner company 14.Sir Hehry To build and acquire food at: Mr. Dixon-To a gentleman from Canton, Wei-bal The dale'

dale of purchaus to be from yesterday or His Lordship I have soon the papers several umes in chambers and 1 think I can make the 52 The onfer was granted.

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