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Q-Do you think they prefer to go to hospital and lie off after a flogging to doing
the hard labour?
A-Yes, I believe they would rather go to the hospital.
Q-They would rather have the flogging and go to the hospital?
A-Oh well, I cannot say that.
Q-Do you think the punishment cell with low diet is of any use?
A-I think, to some of them, very little.
Q-Have you often seen the cross-irons and handcuff's resorted to?
A-If the prisoners insist upon making a disturbance the handcuffs are put on, but not the cross-irons.
it.
Q-Have you ever seen the cross-irons put on?
A-Oh yes, in Major-General GORDON'S time.
Q--Is that a good form of punishment?
A-Very little punishment to them when they are lying down. They do not feel
Q--Have you any knowledge of the use of the "cat-o'-nine-tails ?"
A--I have never seen it used in the Gaol.
Q-Have you seen it used anywhere?
A-I have seen it used it the Army. Q-You have been in the Army?
A-I have.
Q-How many strokes have you seen inflicted with the cat-o'-nine-tails" in the Army?
A-I cannot say; it was a long time ago. I have seen one man strapped up and flogged with the "cat-o'-nine-tails."
Q-How many strokes?
A-I cannot tell you.
Q-From what you remember was it a severe or a light flogging?
A-Severe.
Q-How did he stand it?
A-The poor fellow could not help it. I have seen the flesh and the blood flying. There was a triangle and he was strapped to it. It was cruel; it was horrible, as far as I remember of it.
Q-Do you know anything of the birch?
A-No; that is generally used in the Navy.
Q-Do you think a rattan is too severe for a Chinaman?
Does it cut him too much?
A-I do not know; he must be punished without being too severe. They must
be punished; it must not be too severe.
Q-Do you think you would have something lighter than a rattan for a Chinaman?
A-No, if they are going to be punished.
Q-You think if they are going to be flogged they should be--
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