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The Chairman.-Is there any other information you can give or anything else you wish to say
?
A.-I suppose you don't want to know about the specific cases as to how the frauds were committed.
Q.-What are the dates?
A.-In December last.
Q.-You say they were committed by altering the receipts?
A.--And by issuing a forged chop.
Q.-Forging the shroff's chop?
A.-Yes.
Q.-You think that in the great majority of the cases the money must have been made away with by issuing receipts not in these books?
A. Yes, I think so.
Mr. Bird.--The receipts must have been chopped by a false chop?
A. Yes. If you look at the chops on the receipts you will be able to tell the forged ones at once. (Receipts produced). We have been through the last half year's counterfoils. Why he did not make away with the whole of the counterfoils I cannot make out because he left several that clearly showed that he had done this. This is the only book of counterfoils we have got (produced). It is from September, 1892, to January, 1893.
Q.-Have you any false receipts ?
A.-Yes (produced).
Q-Here is a receipt dated 5th July, 1892, from the Rev. Martinet $844.85. You say this does not appear at all?
A. Yes, it appears for $644.85 and that is the forged chop (exhibited). You will see that it is numbered 772. He passed the shroff one corresponding with the counterfoil for $644.85.
Q.-And when he got the receipt from the shroff he tore up that receipt?
A. Yes, and put a false chop on it.
Q.-Have you an instance in which there is no counterfoil at all, in which he has embezzled the whole amount ?
A.-No.
At this point the Commission adjourned until 3 o'clock in the afternoon.
J. A. de Carvalho called.
The Chairman.--What is your name?
Witness.-Januario Antonio de Carvalho. Q.-You have recently taken your pension ?
A. Yes.
Q.--Since when ?
A.-Since January 1st this year.
Q.-How long had you been in the Treasury?
A.--Since August, 1855.
Q.-When you retired you
were chief clerk?
A.-Yes.
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