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Q.-Did the shroff keep any book of the receipts that he signed? For instance, if people went direct to the shroff and paid him, say $50, the shroff would receipt it I suppose, and it would be signed by Alves ?
A.- The shroff would hand in the receipt to Alves. For instance, if a man came with $25 Alves would be told by the shroff that $25 had been paid in.
Q-Suppose the man went to pay without taking any document?
A.-Then the shroff would tell Alves.
Mr. Thurburn. I suppose he would simply say "I want a receipt for Crown Rent so-and-so"?
A. Yes.
The Chairman.-What book did Alves keep?
A.--A book like this (Alves' Day Book produced) for his daily calculations. You will see it gives the date of the month, the number of the receipt, and the amount for which it was.
Q.That is the number of the counterfoil?
A. Yes. The date was put in afterwards. He would look at the counterfoils and pass them into this book (The Treasury Rent Roll).
Mr. Thurburn.---Of course he made that correct--I mean in the case in which he received $100 and only gave credit for $10.
A. Yes, the $100 would go into the Rent Roll because if he put only $10 it would be noticed that only $10 was paid whereas $100 ought to have been paid and I should have sent to the debtor and asked him why he did not pay. So Alves kept this book correct.
Mr. Bird. You never saw this little book (pointing to Alves' rough book). A. No, I did not ask him for it.
The Chairman.-It was not a private book?
A.--No, it is one of the Treasury books. I could have got it if I had asked for it. Q.-That is the book for the Crown Rent. Had Alves anything to do with the other receipts also?
A. No, only Crown Rent. That is not his entire work but that is his only work in connection with receipts.
Q. Who looked after the taxes?
A. Mr. Madar used to look after them.
Q. As far as receipts went Alves only had the Crown Rent to look after?
A. Yes.
Q. What other books did he keep?
A. He was book-keeper; he had charge of the journal and ledger, and he also had to do all the calculations in connection with the Crown Agents' account. It was a very complicated matter, splitting up all the expenditure among the different departments and making returns for Somerset House. That was really the part that took him longer than anything else.
Q. What is this big book for?
A.-That is for rates.
Q.-Alves had nothing to do with it?
A.-No.
(Ledger produced).
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