OFFICIAL RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS
ミ猭Ы穦某筁祘タΑ魁
Wednesday, 24 January 1996
せるら琍戳
The Council met at half-past Two o'clock
とだ穦某秨﹍
MEMBERS PRESENT
畊某
THE PRESIDENT
THE HONOURABLE ANDREW WONG WANG-FAT, O.B.E., J.P.
畊独Щ祇某O.B.E., J.P.
THE HONOURABLE ALLEN LEE PENG-FEI, C.B.E., J.P.
腜某C.B.E., J.P.
THE HONOURABLE MRS SELINA CHOW LIANG SHUK-YEE, O.B.E., J.P.
㏄辩睶┥某O.B.E., J.P.
THE HONOURABLE MARTIN LEE CHU-MING, Q.C., J.P.
琖皇某Q.C., J.P.
DR THE HONOURABLE DAVID LI KWOK-PO, O.B.E., LL.D. (CANTAB), J.P.
瓣腳某O.B.E., LL.D. (CANTAB), J.P.
THE HONOURABLE SZETO WAH
畕地某
THE HONOURABLE LAU WONG-FAT, O.B.E., J.P.
糂祇某O.B.E., J.P.
THE HONOURABLE EDWARD HO SING-TIN, O.B.E., J.P.
︙┯ぱ某O.B.E., J.P.
THE HONOURABLE RONALD JOSEPH ARCULLI, O.B.E., J.P.
甃ㄎ瞶某O.B.E., J.P.
THE HONOURABLE MRS MIRIAM LAU KIN-YEE, O.B.E., J.P.
糂胺祸某O.B.E., J.P.
DR THE HONOURABLE EDWARD LEONG CHE-HUNG, O.B.E., J.P.
辩醇翬某O.B.E., J.P.
THE HONOURABLE ALBERT CHAN WAI-YIP
朝岸穨某
THE HONOURABLE CHEUNG MAN-KWONG
眎ゅ某
THE HONOURABLE CHIM PUI-CHUNG
糕蚌┚某
THE HONOURABLE FREDERICK FUNG KIN-KEE
毒浪膀某
THE HONOURABLE MICHAEL HO MUN-KA
︙庇古某
DR THE HONOURABLE HUANG CHEN-YA, M.B.E.
独綺笽某M.B.E.
THE HONOURABLE EMILY LAU WAI-HING
糂紌某
THE HONOURABLE LEE WING-TAT
ッ笷某
THE HONOURABLE ERIC LI KA-CHEUNG, J.P.
產不某J.P.
THE HONOURABLE FRED LI WAH-MING
地某
THE HONOURABLE HENRY TANG YING-YEN, J.P.
璣某J.P.
THE HONOURABLE JAMES TO KUN-SUN
襖略ビ某
DR THE HONOURABLE SAMUEL WONG PING-WAI, M.B.E., F.Eng., J.P.
独篿某M.B.E., F.Eng., J.P.
DR THE HONOURABLE PHILIP WONG YU-HONG
独﹜グ某
DR THE HONOURABLE YEUNG SUM
法此某
THE HONOURABLE HOWARD YOUNG, J.P.
法У地某J.P.
THE HONOURABLE ZACHARY WONG WAI-YIN
独岸藉某
THE HONOURABLE CHRISTINE LOH KUNG-WAI
嘲糠某
THE HONOURABLE JAMES TIEN PEI-CHUN, O.B.E., J.P.
バ玊某O.B.E., J.P.
THE HONOURABLE CHAN KAM-LAM
朝挪狶某
THE HONOURABLE CHAN WING-CHAN
朝篴篱某
THE HONOURABLE CHAN YUEN-HAN
朝胞糭某
THE HONOURABLE ANDREW CHENG KAR-FOO
綠產碔某
THE HONOURABLE CHENG YIU-TONG
綠模磁某
DR THE HONOURABLE ANTHONY CHEUNG BING-LEUNG
眎▆某
THE HONOURABLE CHEUNG HON-CHUNG
眎簙┚某
THE HONOURABLE CHOY KAN-PUI, J.P.
讲蚌某J.P.
THE HONOURABLE DAVID CHU YU-LIN
Χギ棚某
THE HONOURABLE ALBERT HO CHUN-YAN
︙玊く某
THE HONOURABLE IP KWOK-HIM
腑瓣辆某
THE HONOURABLE LAU CHIN-SHEK
糂ホ某
THE HONOURABLE AMBROSE LAU HON-CHUEN, J.P.
糂簙煌某J.P.
DR THE HONOURABLE LAW CHEUNG-KWOK
霉不瓣某
THE HONOURABLE LAW CHI-KWONG
霉璓某
THE HONOURABLE LEE KAI-MING
币某
THE HONOURABLE BRUCE LIU SING-LEE
郭Θ某
THE HONOURABLE LO SUK-CHING
霉睲某
THE HONOURABLE MOK YING-FAN
馋莱某
THE HONOURABLE MARGARET NG
艷祸某
THE HONOURABLE NGAN KAM-CHUEN
肅繟某
THE HONOURABLE SIN CHUNG-KAI
虫ヲ昂某
THE HONOURABLE TSANG KIN-SHING
纯胺Θ某
DR THE HONOURABLE JOHN TSE WING-LING
谅ッ闹某
THE HONOURABLE LAWRENCE YUM SIN-LING
ヴ到圭某
MEMBERS ABSENT
畊某
THE HONOURABLE NGAI SHIU-KIT, O.B.E., J.P.
ぶ城某O.B.E., J.P.
THE HONOURABLE LEE CHEUK-YAN
某
THE HONOURABLE PAUL CHENG MING-FUN
綠癡某
THE HONOURABLE LEUNG YIU-CHUNG
辩模┚某
THE HONOURABLE MRS ELIZABETH WONG CHIEN CHI-LIEN, C.B.E., I.S.O., J.P.
独窥ㄤ军某C.B.E., I.S.O., J.P.
PUBLIC OFFICERS ATTENDING
畊そ戮
THE HONOURABLE MRS ANSON CHAN, C.B.E., J.P.
CHIEF SECRETARY
︽現Ыガ現朝よネC.B.E., J.P.
THE HONOURABLE DONALD TSANG YAM-KUEN, O.B.E., J.P.
FINANCIAL SECRETARY
︽現Ы癩現纯疆舦ネO.B.E., J.P.
THE HONOURABLE JEREMY FELL MATHEWS, C.M.G., J.P.
ATTORNEY GENERAL
︽現Ы現皑碔到ネC.M.G., J.P.
MR HAIDER HATIM TYEBJEE BARMA, I.S.O., J.P.
SECRETARY FOR TRANSPORT
笲块纉ゅネI.S.O., J.P.
MR GORDON SIU KWING-CHUE, J.P.
SECRETARY FOR ECONOMIC SERVICES
竒蕾拷琖ネJ.P.
MR DOMINIC WONG SHING-WAH, O.B.E., J.P.
SECRETARY FOR HOUSING
┬独琍地ネO.B.E., J.P.
MR RAFAEL HUI SI-YAN, J.P.
SECRETARY FOR FINANCIAL SERVICES
癩竒ㄆ叭砛くネJ.P.
MR PETER LAI HING-LING, J.P.
SECRETARY FOR SECURITY
玂兢紋圭ネJ.P.
MR KWONG KI-CHI, J.P.
SECRETARY FOR THE TREASURY
畐叭馣ㄤвネJ.P.
MISS DENISE YUE CHUNG-YEE, J.P.
SECRETARY FOR TRADE AND INDUSTRY
坝玕﹙┥J.P.
CLERKS IN ATTENDANCE
畊
MR RICKY FUNG CHOI-CHEUNG, SECRETARY GENERAL
毒更不ネ
MISS PAULINE NG MAN-WAH, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL
瞶ゅ地
MR RAY CHAN YUM-MOU, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL
瞶朝窜璟ネ
PAPERS
The following papers were laid on the table pursuant to Standing Order 14(2):
Subject
Subsidiary Legislation L.N. No.
Land Registration Fees (Amendment)
Regulation 1995 35/96
Land Registration (New Territories) Fees
(Repeal) Regulation 1995 36/96
Land Registration Fees (Amendment) Regulation 1995
(Amendment) Regulation 1996 37/96
Land Registration (New Territories) Fees (Repeal)
Regulation 1995 (Amendment) Regulation 1996 38/96
Land Registration (Amendment) Regulation 1996 39/96
Ferry Services (The "Star" Ferry Company, Limited)
(Determination of Fares) (Amendment)
Order 1996 40/96
Aerial Ropeways (Fees) (Amendment) Regulation 1996 41/96
Lifts and Escalators (Safety) (Fees) (Amendment)
Regulation 1996 42/96
Designation of Libraries (Urban Council Area)
Order 1996 43/96
Public Health and Municipal Services Ordinance
(Public Markets) (Designation and Amendment of
Tenth Schedule) Order 1996 44/96
Declaration of Markets in the Urban Council Area
(Amendment) Declaration 1996 45/96
Banking (Specification of Public Sector Entities
in Hong Kong) (Amendment) Notice 1996 46/96
Air Passenger Departure Tax (Amendment)
Ordinance 1995 (100 of 1995) (Commencement)
Notice 1996 47/96
ゅン
ゅン沮盽砏材14(2)兵砏﹚τユЫよ凝
兜ヘ
妮猭ㄒ 猭そ絪腹
1995爹禣ノ璹)砏ㄒ 35/96
1995爹(穝)禣ノ(紀埃)砏ㄒ 36/96
1995爹禣ノ璹砏ㄒ
1996璹砏ㄒ 37/96
1995爹(穝)禣ノ(紀埃)砏ㄒ
1996璹砏ㄒ 38/96
1996爹璹砏ㄒ 39/96
1996寸近狝叭(ぱ琍近Τそ)
(Μ禣∕﹚)璹 40/96
1996琜苐ó禣ノ璹砏ㄒ 41/96
1996ど诀の︑笆辫禣ノ
璹砏ㄒ 42/96
1996﹚瓜繻カ現Ы烈跋 43/96
1996そ渤徖ネのカ現兵ㄒそ渤カ初
﹚ㄆ﹜の璹10 44/96
1996ガカ現Ы烈跋カ初璹そ 45/96
1996蝗︽穨﹚翠そ犁场龟砰
璹そ 46/96
1995诀瞒挂祙璹兵ㄒ
1995材100腹1996
ネら戳そ 47/96
Sessional Paper 1995-96
No. 53 The Hong Kong Institute of Education
Annual Report 1994-95 with Financial Report 1994-95
1995︓96穦戳ず矗ゅン
材53腹 翠毙▅厩皘
⌒き厨篬
⌒き癩現厨
ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS
Police Videotaping of Public Rally
1. 虫ヲ昂某拜畊ネるら牡よ芖穝地癸︽隔も矗尼魁诀╃尼栋穦癸現┎セЫ
(a) 或⊿Τ瞷笻猭薄猵牡よご斗秈︽魁紇描尼魁畊栋穦
(b) 牡よ穦︙矪瞶尼眔栋穦筁祘魁紇盿穦盢ぇ反防の
(c) 牡よΤ︙玥砏﹚Τ闽︙尼魁畊栋穦华の或薄猵ぉ尼魁
玂氮畊ネ
(a) 笿Τそ渤栋穦ボ┪笴︽礚阶硂ㄇ笆琌︙矪羭︽ㄌ酚牡よ篋ㄒ琌穦р筁祘╃尼ㄓ牡よ虑╃尼紇盿ㄓ浪癚-
︽笆㎝恨瞶竤郸菠眖τэ到ら场竝窾Τ竜祇ネ魁紇盿ョノ绑靡筁纯Τ计﹙ㄆㄒ琌牡よノ魁紇盿靡沮矗癬禗Θ竜
タ盽薄猵牡叭常祔环禯瞒秈︽尼魁某矗のㄆンい牡よ秸钉ㄢ舱璽砫╃尼笴︽薄猵讽笵狥Τㄢ兵狥︽ó絬㎝︽隔砆笴︽ノτ兵︽ó絬ョ超絋玂笴︽钉ヮㄤい钉尼魁钉⊿Τ匡拒薄猵材兵︽ó絬娩絫矪尼魁砆ㄏノ絬ó进疾讽絬琌斑秨硄ó︽ó絬薄猵尼魁钉耕禟栋穦璓-
玻ネ岿谋牡よ描尼魁笴︽
(b) ┮Τ魁紇盿常穦玛旅τ钡牟魁紇盿诀穦ョ腨北魁紇盿竒パ蔼牡诡揣﹛浪跌獽穦尼魁ら戳る反防┪瑍ず甧狦斗ㄆ禗砠いノ绑靡獽璶玂痙耕丁︓ン糵挡反防
(c) 牡叭磅︽戮叭╃尼魁紇盿ゲ斗宽ま
(i) 莱栋い尼魁ㄆンτ獶の
(ii) 踞ヴ尼魁莱睲贰粄琌牡叭莱荷パ瓁杆牡抄
秸踞ヴ硂ㄇ戮叭常纯钡癡絤㎝ボま癬把そ秨栋穦ぃ
虫ヲ昂某拜畊ネ叫拜玂牡よヘ玡玂ぶ舶硂摸魁紇盿琌ご礛ゼ反防
玂氮畊ネиも娩⊿Τ硂计叫甧砛иよΑ滦虫某Annex I
眎ゅ某拜畊ネи纯矗摸借高讽玂┮氮滦琌尼魁笴︽ヘΤ
癬禗ノ硚靡沮
牡よ砆щ禗靡沮の
牡よ浪癚Τ闽郸菠㎝も秸皌ぇノ
礛τ描尼魁⊿Τ笻猭畊栋穦セЧ笻璉讽玂┮弧ヘ現┎セЫ瞷ヴ玂琌э跑玡ヴ玂尼魁現郸璝琌杠︙璝禯瞒尼魁︙骸ì瓃ヘ尼魁琌デ岿粇笻は牡よ兜尼魁玥垒ノ舦
玂氮畊ネи璶氮滦い竒秆睦牡よ尼魁薄猵㎝惠璶иぃ粄籔计玡玡ヴ玂氮滦Τ或侥︓牡よ禯瞒描╃尼笴︽ボиョ矗牡よ╃尼硂摸魁紇盿璶琌癸ㄆぃ癸и竒︗秆睦讽薄牡よぃ稱╃尼描㈱フ弧狦痷璶╃尼描ぃ﹚璶硂或禯瞒 ╃尼癸禜ō 暗ㄆ龟и-
⊿Τ疭惠璶硂妓暗埃獶琌疭薄猵ㄒ穦祇ネㄆン谋眔Τ惠璶╃尼ㄇ睲捶描繷牡よ穦硂妓暗
PRESIDENT: Mr CHEUNG, are you claiming that your question has not been answered?
眎ゅ某拜畊ネи辨玂氮╃尼描╯澈琌沮玡ヴ玂┮矗ㄑ兜玥い兜讽礛╃尼描ゐ斗︽硂或禯瞒╃尼玥╃尼描
玂氮畊ネи竒矗讽ぱ牡よ⊿Τ疭種╃尼描êㄇ璽砫尼魁牡︽眔祔琌讽瞶薄猵-
礚匡拒玥-
獽穦甧砆ㄏノ斑兵︽ó絬ó进疾
琖皇某拜畊ネ玂セЫ琌笵薄猵琌妓êΩ琌╃描τ琌篊篊╃玂弧╃尼ㄆン琌弧晾讽и初籔ㄤ癬逼Гêㄇ牡琌︽и-
篊篊硋逼╃尼叫拜玂琌笵硂薄猵讽и纯高拜êㄇ牡︙璶╃尼氮弧璶计计Τぶи弧ㄏ稱笵计ぃノ硂妓╃尼璶娩︽娩计獽Θ叫拜現┎琌笵讽龟薄и辨玂ぃ璶ミ猭Ы璊睹氮иぃ琌弧珿種璊睹氮τ琌牡よ留縡龟薄┪⊿Τ睲捶秆讽薄猵
玂氮畊ネ讽礛и讽ぱぃ初ぃ笵讽ぱ某籔初牡ユ酵ず甧ぃ筁и稱ビ翴и-
セ礚種级珿ㄆㄓ留縡╃尼描ㄆ龟ㄆ龟狦и-
璶╃描睲贰╃尼–ぃノ︽眔ê或セ碞⊿Τ硂惠璶
PRESIDENT: Are you claiming that your question has not been answered, Mr LEE?
琖皇某拜畊ネ玂坚睲Τ筁赣舶魁紇盿Τ杠獽笵讽牡痷琌篊篊硋╃尼
玂氮畊ネи纯筁讽╃尼┮眔场だ描繷⊿Τ筁场
糕蚌┚某拜畊ネи癘眔摸借高戳琌材ΩセЫ矗叫拜穦︗某セōΤ痲闽玒ㄒ-
讽初τㄏ現┎Τ溃谋眔陈沸ぃ箇Τ闽ㄆ薄┪ヴパㄆ薄淮淮盿筁硂妓穦硑Θぃそキ薄猵叫拜玂㎝畊ネ粄硂妓借高Τ疉の痲侥㎡
PRESIDENT: There is no pecuniary interest involved, Mr CHIM, and the previous question was not on videotaping.
玂氮畊ネи獺硂妓氮牡よ琌Τ猭﹚戮砫蝴臔猭㎝玂臔そ渤牡よ磅︽戮叭狦粄㎝︽笆琌猭-
﹚穦暗
MISS MARGARET NG: Mr President, may I ask the Administration whether the organizations which organized the activities concerned are entitled to ask to see these videotapes?
SECRETARY FOR SECURITY: Mr President, as I said, the reasons for making videotapes are to enable the police to review their operations on each occasion so that improvements, if appropriate, can be made and also, where appropriate, these could be used as evidence in court. It is not the normal practice for the Police Force to reveal or to release the tapes to anybody.
纯胺Θ某拜畊ネ現┎セЫ牡よ埃╃尼竒ビ叫笴︽牡よΤ╃尼ㄤ笆ㄒそ痲笴︽瞷初薄猵牡よ琌猍跌笴︽粄笴︽﹚穦祇ネ侥
玂氮畊ネㄤ龟ぃ琌ボ┪笴︽牡よ╃尼魁紇盿狦ㄤそ渤初Τ栋挡τ惠牡よ蝴牡よΤ惠璶穦╃尼魁紇盿羭ㄒㄓ弧笰句穝甦カ初琘琿丁Τ籈栋惠璶牡よ蝴ㄒ孽–硔竊ら常Τㄒ废︓ㄤ獶穝地羭︽ボ牡よ常穦蹦摸︽笆
PRESIDENT: Mr TSANG, are you claiming that your question has not been answered? I think that was a very full answer.
纯胺Θ某拜и稱拜.....
PRESIDENT: I am sorry, you are not permitted to ask a second supplementary.
朝岸穨某拜畊ネ玂氮滦弧⊿Τ惠璶╃尼描磅︽﹚Ωノ描╃尼笴︽τ癸场だ笴︽硑Θ現獀溃㎝み瞶溃硂琌贺ぃゲ璶矪ㄆも猭璶氮滦矗る穦р魁紇盿反防㎝瑍叫拜現┎Τヴ︙戈癘魁る玡┮╃魁紇盿Τぶご礛玂のㄤ瞶パ︙ㄤу祘︙癸êㄇるぃ瑍魁紇盿牡よΤ糵у祘㎝癘魁
玂氮畊ネи稱ビ翴и-
荡癸⊿Τ╃尼魁紇盿よΑ癸笴︽ボ硑Θヴ︙み瞶ㄆ龟產フ笵笴︽ボ筁ㄓぃ耞描繷玡瞷êぃ﹚琌牡よ┮╃尼描繷τ琌そ渤筿跌ぃǎ眔╃尼硂摸魁紇盿穦癸ボ玻ネヴ︙纞ノ︓牡よ瞷Τぶ魁紇盿のㄤいΤぶ禬筁るи氮虫某干借高氮莱陆琩魁穓栋硂摸计戈
PRESIDENT: And the procedure permitting tapes to be retained for longer than three months? Secretary.
SECRETARY FOR SECURITY: Yes, Mr President, I have already said that unless they were required as evidence to be used in court, tapes would normally be destroyed after three months. I will enquire as to whether there are still any tapes which exceed three months, and if so, I shall ask why.
虫ヲ昂某拜畊ネ玂滦セЫ弧⊿Τ惠璶秈︽禯瞒╃尼叫拜玂穦ボ牡よら╃尼穝地叫腀︽笆蔼╃尼╃尼
玂氮畊ネ︙龟悔瞷初秈︽猭㎝Τ惠璶秈︽硄盽琌パ初牡诡揣﹛∕﹚
Travel Insurance
3. 地某拜畊ネじスらェ韦ń畄縀瑈陆弗旧璓セ翠端篏粿沮厨讽いΤ丁逼琌Ω︽祘︽⊿Τ蠢刮ね潦禦玂繧ま癬そ渤闽猔︽竭纕砫ヴ拜肈パ瞷︽猭ㄒ礚砏﹚︽ゲ斗︽刮刮潦禦笴玂繧現┎セЫ
(a) ︽刮刮ね︽戳丁祇ネ種眔ぃì镑種端竭纕玂毁琌よ砫ヴ
(b) 瞷翠Τぶ爹笴瞶坝ㄤいΤぶ︽刮刮潦禦笴玂繧┮κだゑ︙
(c) 現┎癸︽瞶坝Τ惠璶︽刮刮潦禦笴玂繧Τ︙ミ初の
(d) 环τē現┎穦σ納ミㄒ砏﹚︽瞶坝ゲ斗︽刮刮潦禦玂繧璝︙
坝氮畊ネ闽拜肈(a)琿и氮滦琌安︽刮刮ね︽戳丁祇ネ種τ眔ぃì镑種端竭纕玂毁螟﹚弧莱パよ璽砫硂陪礛斗跌ㄆン龟悔薄猵τ﹚ㄓ弧安猭Τì镑靡沮靡︽瞶坝糹︽戮砫Τ┮波┛︽瞶坝獽惠璶璽砫笴ョΤ砫ヴ酚臮セō続讽莱щ潦玂繧玂毁︑
闽拜肈(b)琿篒︓き┏セ翠Τ1 218礟︽瞶坝τ讽いΤぶ计Τ龟悔把籔羭快砐︽刮沮︽瞶坝爹ヴ┮眔戈セ翠80%︽刮常琌パ20丁璶︽快τ硂ㄇ︽场常Τ臮潦禦笴玂繧
闽拜肈(c)琿現┎粄︽瞶坝の莱︑パ∕﹚琌潦禦笴玂繧の玂肂璝ぃ筁安︽笴︽刮刮潦禦笴玂繧獽莱刮冈灿秆睦玂毁絛瞅砮过盡穨巨︽瞶坝ョ莱躬纘┪矗眶щ潦玂繧玂毁︑
︓拜肈(d)琿Τ闽よ珹ミ猭Ы某翠笴穨某穦禣〆穦︽瞶坝吭高〆穦の笴穨竭纕膀恨瞶〆穦瞏╯眏砏﹚┮Τ︽瞶坝ゲ斗︽刮刮潦禦笴玂繧国-
ㄤ現┎某絋玂把︽刮笴莉眔膀セ玂毁現┎莱砞ミ兜ぃ發╯砫ヴ︽刮種候穿膀璸购把︽刮笴祇ネ種┪-
產矗ㄑ候竒蕾穿
現┎瞷タ縩伐览硂兜候穿膀笲砏玥и-
辨膀笰句穝安戳ぇ玡┪程筐確竊安戳ぇ玡砞ミи-
沮候穿膀璸购龟悔笲薄猵祔︽浪癚琌惠璶ミㄒ砏﹚┮Τ︽瞶坝ゲ斗︽刮刮潦禦笴玂繧
地某拜畊ネ坝璶氮滦材き琿矗現┎穦候穿膀璸购龟琁浪癚斗ミㄒ砏﹚┮Τ︽瞶坝ゲ斗︽刮刮潦禦笴玂繧и稱琌ㄆ龟琌瞷某龟琁候穿膀璸购琌兜龟厨龟綪㎝Τ璸购矗ㄑ獀痜笲癳砰┪痜翠玂毁赣璸购獶妮玂繧┦借竭纕籔砏﹚潦禦笴玂繧Чぃ
PRESIDENT: Would you come to your question please, Mr LI.
地某拜パ硂璸购籔笴玂繧┦借ぃ現┎︙斗硂璸购龟琁秈︽浪癚㎡и辨坝秆睦
坝氮畊ネ現┎る纯吭高︽瞶坝吭高〆穦笴穨竭纕膀恨瞶〆穦笴穨某穦㎝禣〆穦赣吭高诀篶А某現┎ぃ莱ミㄒ眏︽瞶坝︽刮刮ね潦禦玂繧ウ-
某現┎砞ミ種候穿膀璸购現┎獺璶琌砞ミ硂兜穿膀璸购礛痙種硂璸购龟琁戳丁薄猵斗痙種赣吭高诀篶穦Ω現┎矗ㄑ某粄ゲ斗眏︽瞶坝蠢笴潦禦︽玂繧и璶氮滦材き琿碞琌膀硂τ
法У地某拜畊ネ坝璶氮滦ず┮矗候穿膀璸购埃ミ猭Ы臛阶ボ祘や︽瞶坝吭高〆穦辨荷е崩︽ぃ筁程祇ネ韦ń畄ㄆンΤㄇ矗莱盢ㄇ┮孔蔼繧笆僚赣璸购ぇ场だ笴穨珹иず常粄琂礛赣璸购琌ぃ拜砫琌贺候穿┮莱赣珹硂ㄇ笆
PRESIDENT: Mr YOUNG, please come to your question.
法У地某拜叫拜坝穦崩硂璸购σ納莱赣沮吭高〆穦㎝︽计種ǎぃ穦硂璸购ず僚┮孔蔼繧笆硂琌螟﹚
坝氮и-
タ碞蔼繧笆莱種候穿膀璸购玂毁絛瞅秈︽吭高и-
竒吭高笴穨某穦種ǎ赣某穦觅Θ盢ㄇ耕蔼繧笆膀絛瞅ぇずи-
穦るら吭高︽瞶坝吭高〆穦и-
莉眔赣吭高〆穦種ǎ碞穦沮吭高诀篶┮矗種ǎτ∕﹚
独綺笽某拜畊ネ現┎氮滦矗ㄤ龟瞷Τ20丁璶︽快瓣︽刮τ硂ㄇ︽常Τ臮潦禦笴玂繧現┎氮闽蔼繧笆玂繧拜肈⊿Τ坚睲硂ㄇ︽臮潦禦玂繧穦玂毁硂ㄇ蔼繧笆狦琌ぃ玂毁杠τ把籔硂ㄇ笆τ端-
ぃ莉眔竭纕叫坝秆睦睲贰硂翴
坝氮畊ネи稱硂兜借高璶パê20丁カ初80%︽瞶坝秆氮ぃ筁иも娩戈陪ボさる笴穨某穦竒祇そゅ璶―ウ┮Τ穦钡蹿莱硄-
赣︽瞶坝Τ潦禦玂繧Τ杠玂繧冈灿ず甧︙传杠弧玂繧穦珹êㄇ耕蔼繧笆瞷Τ潦禦玂繧︽瞶坝ㄆ玡常穦笴矗ㄑ硂妓戈ㄏ笴︑︽∕﹚琌斗肂潦禦玂繧
地某拜畊ネセ翠80%︽刮Аパ20丁璶︽快τウ-
常Τ臮潦禦笴玂繧硂戈琌パ坝矗ㄑ︙現┎ぃσ納璶―緇20%︽刮常斗潦禦笴玂繧硂妓碞ぃノ阶
坝氮畊ネи璶氮滦竒矗現┎ぃゴ衡眏︽瞶坝刮ね潦禦玂繧硂琌и-
硓筁冈灿吭高┮莉眔種ǎ珹盡穨玂毁禣舦痲のセЫ某種ǎ-
常粄現┎ぃ﹜眏︽笆
Street Crimes
4. 眎簙┚某拜畊ネ現┎セЫ
(a) 筁刁繷祇ネ竜い獶猭挂┮ゑㄒ︙の
(b) 現┎Τ︙惫琁ňゎ獶猭挂セ翠デ
玂氮畊ネи-
参璸魁ぃ穦癸"刁繷竜"籔"獶刁繷竜"购だи-
⊿Τ皐癸"刁繷┪刁祇ネ竜"参璸计ぃ筁и獺"刁繷┪刁竜"琌︽脄叛穖ザ叛の摸祍叛竜︽и穦ノ硂摸竜参璸计氮パデōだ璶-
辅呼ぇ絋龟笵и镑矗ㄑ┮Τ"刁繷竜"砆羆计ぇい獶猭挂┮ゑㄒ㎝计パ讽Ы┮琩デ獶猭挂禬筁99ㄓ︑い瓣и氮滦い┮矗のΤ闽计疉のㄓ︑い瓣獶猭挂
瞷и穦硋氮赣ㄢ兜拜肈
(a) ︽竜砆獶猭挂计Τ┮糤パ104ど︓194のき203だ筁︽竜砆羆计4%8.7%の10.8%オ硂ㄇ砆獶猭挂讽い0.5%琌疉の瘪︽τョΤ獶猭挂瘪︽竜砆
脄叛竜砆獶猭挂ョΤ糤パ54ど︓119のき224だ赣ず脄叛竜砆羆计3%7%の11%オ
穖よ筁疉獶猭挂だΤ2223の31赣ず穖竜砆羆计7.8%6.8%の10%
獶猭挂牟デ摸祍叛竜(珹ザ叛)τ砆计パ227︓198き玱祔ど︓208硂ㄇ计赣ず–デ摸祍叛竜砆羆计1.5%筁Τ16獶猭挂ザ叛τ砆
(b) 獶猭挂疉の︽脄叛㎝穖单竜计ヘΤ┮糤и-
闽猔蹦惫琁癸Τ闽拜肈硂ㄇ惫琁だ璶絛氓(1)ňゎ挂(2)盎琩敖寸挂の(3)汲防竜
ňゎ挂
и-
粄程琌獀セよ猭秆∕硂拜肈ê碞琌ňゎ獶猭挂肩翠笷璓硂ヘ夹牡よ娩挂翴︗竚砞ミ浪琩秈︽嘲のǖ呸牡よのチ挂ㄆ叭矪ョ籔い瓣讽Ы玂﹚戳羛蹈璶―眏いよ娩挂恨セるら羭︽程穝近竑翠娩挂羛蹈穦某и-
碞獶猭挂デ陪帝糤ㄆ約狥讽Ы笷и-
闽猔いよ氮す籔и-
硄棒篒敖寸眖獀セよ秆∕硂拜肈牡よňゎ獶猭挂北いみ穓栋Τ闽獶猭挂のㄆ笆薄厨ㄒ肩翠硄盽ㄏノ隔絬の肩翠よ猭筁ㄢパ赣いみ矗ㄑ薄厨钡旧璓瘆ㄆンΤ14﹙
盎琩
牡よ骋矪㎝チ挂ㄆ叭矪竒盽蹦筂の翠︽笆ゴ阑獶猭挂硂ㄇ︽笆珹篒琩ōだ靡苯亢翴絃の穨稨单穓琩娩のㄤ胔好Τ獶猭挂拔旅疭翴
眔猔種琌パ瓃ň絛の盎琩惫琁旧璓筁獶猭挂计パ37 517︓31 521のき26 824
汲防竜
ňゎ竜惫琁场だ(ぃ阶竜琌疉の獶猭挂)牡よ磅︽ら盽防竜︽笆琿ǖ呸砞ミ隔毁单︓耕腨竜︽ㄒ瘪︽の栋刮Α芥瞉笆牡よΤ舱麓竜の穦秸琩穦腨盞菏跌疉竜デ笆Μ栋薄厨続讽р-
秂耴
現┎籔穦妓癸筁竜计どぷㄤ琌疉の獶猭挂竜闽猔и-
玂场钉穦ゼㄓ膥尿玂牡谋莱硂拜肈и-
タ秈︽逼戳笷き︓せ糤秸400牡刁磅︽戮叭ヘ夹и-
盢せ︓糤砞220玡絬牡叭戮︗眏牡よ刁もパ瞷︓せ︓玡絬牡叭も盢Τ陪帝糤硂盢穦Τ秆∕獶猭挂デ竜拜肈
眎簙┚某拜:畊ネ程拉跋祇ネ﹙瘪借ㄆン程畕斌瘪щ讽牡酵粂ē琌炊硄杠叫拜現┎Τ牡叭矗ㄑ疭癡絤莱獶猭挂セ翠デ薄猵
玂氮畊ネ沮и┮現┎癸戮現┎珹牡叭矪㎝ㄤΤ闽场Τ惠璶穦矗ㄑ続讽癡絤珹炊硄杠癡絤
腜某拜畊ネ玂弧獶猭挂デ竜薄猵ボ纯い瓣嘲Τ闽よ矗辨ㄤ闽猔玂セЫ╯澈い瓣よΤ或龟悔惫琁┪暗ㄇ或ゎ硂ㄇ獶猭挂ㄓ翠
玂氮畊ネи璶氮滦い矗ňゎ獶猭挂ㄓ翠デ程Τよ猭陪礛獽琌"獀セ"よも琌и-
荷秖ňゎ硂ㄇ獶猭挂敖寸ㄓ翠硂よи璶氮滦秆睦筁硂ㄢず獶猭挂计讽礛硂よи-
玂场钉Τ獶盽癪膍иョだ獺笷璓硂贺Θぃ縒琌翠玂场钉骋琌ㄌ綼い瓣闽玂场-
ê娩挂眏娩挂北硄筁蛮よ搭ぶ敖寸挂
PRESIDENT: Mr LEE, are you claiming that the Secretary has not answered your question?
腜某拜叫拜い瓣嘲よΤㄇ或惫琁и種獶猭挂パ赣矪ㄓи-
莱赣籔い瓣嘲よ弧睲贰-
Τㄇ或惫琁搭ぶ獶猭挂ㄓ翠计ヘ玂┮弧獶猭挂ㄓ翠计ヘ搭ぶи谋眔硂琌计ㄆ龟デい瓣獶猭挂计ヘи-
セぃ笵
玂氮畊ネ獶猭挂计碩獶度计讽礛иぃ﹚Τㄇ纯竒獶猭敖寸挂┪デ瓣и-
玱тぃぃ岿琌Τи獺计ヘぃ讽礛иぃい瓣讽Ы祇ē弧龟悔薄猵-
︙秈︽沮и┮-
ョΤ蹦皌惫琁パそ讽Ы眏腨盞北娩挂狦Τ禫挂デ戈ず玂诀篶㎝翠牡叭矪穦硄筁㏕Τ措笵がユ传薄厨獽蛮よ盎琩竜よΘ耕ㄎ
㏄辩睶┥某拜畊ネ眖玂氮滦(a)场だ陪计璶デ竜笆絛瞅い獶猭挂计ヘ陪Τど镣墩(b)场だ玱弧獶猭挂计硂戳丁硋˙搭ぶ叫拜硂癸┦挡狦╯澈琌陪ボデ竜笆禫ㄓ禫ぃ北临琌セは琈獶猭挂発叉计ヘ禫ㄓ禫
玂氮畊ネи獺ㄢ常ぃ琌材硂ㄇ计⊿Τベ材ㄤ┮は琈ㄆ龟獶発叉计ぃ琌计Τ框簗ㄤは琈ㄆ龟琌敖寸挂计敖寸挂い-
デ┮ゑ瞯稶ㄓ稶羭ㄒㄓ弧Τ37 517獶猭挂ㄤいデ砆獶猭挂Τ2 473琌獶猭挂デ竜瞯琌6.6%き獶猭挂Τ26 824讽デτ砆秂Τ2 146ㄤ龟羆计Τ淮稬ゑ獶猭挂デ竜瞯ど8%ぇ传ēぇ獶猭挂计い獶猭敖寸ㄓ翠ㄓ翠デ┪疉の竜ゑ瞯稶ㄓ稶
朝挪狶某拜畊ネ–常Τ讽蛮祘靡ㄓ翠現┎Τ或惫琁ňゎ赣单筄戳﹡痙㎝眖ㄆ獶猭笆現┎穦σ納癸-
ぉ胓籃
PRESIDENT: I am sorry, it exceeds the scope of the original question which deals with "street crimes".
霉璓某拜畊ネ玂氮滦矗ㄑㄇ计计Τㄢ瞶秆よ猭и稱坚睲计瞶秆"搁"快ㄆ眔璓计どτ"獶猭挂"玱ぃ眔┮计╯澈玂Τ或獺み獺獶猭挂计琌は琈"ň絛"Θτ獶""よア毖
PRESIDENT: It is a rather complicated argument.
玂氮畊ネи獺硂ㄇ计は琈ぃ琌и-
ňゎ敖寸挂よΤヴ︙肞居ㄆ龟ňゎ敖寸挂よи-
筁计荡癸⊿Τ肞居τΤ敖寸挂и-
苯亢︽笆眏硂よиまノ计ㄓ︗弧и矗ㄑ计常琌и-
秂计琘祘τは琈セ翠玂场钉Θиまノ籔獶猭挂礚闽计ㄓ徊弧ㄆ龟и-
瞯よΤ┮秈甶羭ㄒㄓ弧きи-
┮孔"Detection Rate"竜Θ盎琩瞯耕琌糤50%き琌52%иビ硂计┮珹獶度獶猭挂竜デτ琌翠デ竜计
Privatization of Housing Authority Car Parks
5. 讲蚌某拜畊ネ┬〆穦"┬〆穦"硋˙龟琁盢ㄤ烈恏氨ó初╬犁て璸购現┎セЫ
(a) 筁┬〆穦–龟琁赣璸购τ竊ぶ秨や籔箇戳竊秨やゑ耕薄猵︙の
(b) ╬犁そ┮恨瞶恏氨ó初疉のó进竜计筁Τど璝Τ︙の跋羭厨竜计耕蔼㎝摸ン
┬氮畊ネ筁┬〆穦–眖氨ó初╬犁て璸购龟悔竊秨やだ
600窾じ
1,400窾じ
き3,900窾じ
龟悔竊秨や籔崩︽璸购玡箇衡璝
きずそ恏ず┮Τ氨ó初氨ó︗祇ネ1 073﹙籔ó进Τ闽竜τ㎝玥だΤ1 261﹙㎝1 018﹙ゑ耕ぇン计ヘ筁ず祔稬どき1 073﹙ンいΤ764﹙琌╬犁そ恨瞶そ恏氨ó初ず祇ネи-
⊿Τの计┮и-
ぃ絋﹚ン计ヘ镣墩
籔ó进Τ闽ン厨瞯程蔼跋琌
‵バ213(20%)
瓾141(13%)
ぇ琌Τㄇǐ╬ノ硂ㄇ┕ㄓ娩挂ユ硄よ獽跋敖笲アó挂硂ㄇ穝蒥马﹡︘產畑獵ぶΘ计ヘ渤τ碿種瘆胊の獵ぶデ竜薄猵らǎ腨
きず╬犁そ恨瞶そ恏氨ó初ず祇ネ籔ó进Τ闽竜い祍叛═óず珇48%敖ó31%ㄆ反胊21%
讲蚌某拜畊ネ恏氨ó初︑╬犁て︓さ纯瞷┬竝籔╬犁そ矗Ν秆埃璝Τ杠Τぶ﹙︙
┬氮τēи⊿Τ钮籇┬〆穦筁┕纯沧ゎ硂ㄇ╬犁そτ沮は琈戈恏︘め㎝ㄏノ氨ó初┬〆穦ボ-
癸硂ㄇそ┮矗ㄑ狝叭稰だ骸種ㄤ龟и-
Τ计陪ボㄏノ氨ó初恏﹡チぇいΤ筄90%祇谋狝叭琌骸種
眎簙┚某拜畊ネ程┬〆穦盢烈恏氨ó初Μ禣珹╬犁て恏氨ó初碩矗蔼25%︓30%环环禬硄等﹡チ纯籔┬〆穦ユ疉莉眔氮滦ボΜ禣琌籔╬恏氨ó初本恥︙璶籔恏氨ó初本恥τㄤΜ禣夹非τぃも龟悔秨や夹非㎡
PRESIDENT: I am inclined to rule this out of order. It is a question of the charging policy adopted by Housing Authority car parks and privatized car parks.
㏄辩睶┥某拜畊ネ璶氮滦矗きΤ筄﹙氨ó初ず祇ネ竜ㄤいΘ常琌┬〆穦╬犁氨ó初祇ネ叫拜┬┬〆穦Τ籔硂ㄇ╬犁氨ó初坝癚︙蹦ㄇ玂惫琁磷瞷蔼竜瞯㎡
┬氮畊ネㄤ龟╬犁そ恨瞶氨ó初ず┮祇ネ籔ó进Τ闽ン计ぃ蔼狦и-
翠羆砰氨ó初ず┮祇ネ竜计ゑ耕ㄤ龟и-
硂计ぃ筁羆计10%
硂ㄇ╬犁そ恨瞶そ恏氨ó初ョ讽Ч到-
Τ竒盽狝叭ǖ呸玂睲间单τ┬〆穦セōョΤ盡σ对厨碞Τ闽そ狝叭㎝玂单よ蝶だ筁┕竒喷陪ボ硂ㄇそ璓Θ罿琌ぃ岿
Air Departure Tax
6. MR HOWARD YOUNG asked: Mr President, will the Government inform this Council whether it will review the existing arrangement for the collection of the air departure tax and the method of sale of air departure tax coupons at Kai Tak Airport in order to achieve a more efficient way of collecting the tax, such as introducing the use of vending machines for the sale of air departure tax coupons?
SECRETARY FOR THE TREASURY: Mr President, we review periodically the arrangement for the collection of the Air Passenger Departure Tax (APDT). For example, arising from such reviews and with Members' support, we enacted legislation recently to allow hotels to sell APDT coupons to their guests to obviate the need for them to pay separately at the airport on departure. The legislation will come into operation on 1 February 1996.
In considering alternative collection methods, we have to take into account their costs and efficiency. We did consider the use of vending machines in our review in 1995. Apart from operational problems, the review indicates that the cost of collection of the APDT using vending machines would be higher than that under the current collection arrangements. At the present stage, therefore, we do not think it appropriate to introduce vending machines for the sale of APDT coupons.
MR HOWARD YOUNG: Mr President, whilst the current system might be cheaper than vending machines on service at Kai Tak, it does cause congestion at check-in counters and confusion in counting by airline staff. Will the Secretary therefore ensure whilst acknowledging that there might be operational problems at Kai Tak in introducing vending machines at this late stage that this idea is not discarded when we consider the method of collecting airport departure tax coupons at the new airport at Chek Lap Kok?
SECRETARY FOR THE TREASURY: Mr President, we have an open mind on what is the most efficient and cost-effective way of collecting Air Passenger Departure Tax at the new airport at Chek Lap Kok. I will be happy to consider this in consultation with my colleagues in the Civil Aviation Department and also the Airport Authority.
㏄辩睶┥某拜畊ネи筁氮滦ぇ谋眔佩иΩ祇瞷︑笆て穦禥筁も笲叫拜畐叭︙┮孔"瞷︽Μ禣逼"ゑ诀竟笲稧﹜
畐叭氮畊ネチ矪ㄆ纯︳璸碞琌瞷︽よ猭–瞒挂煤ユ瞒挂祙ΘセキА琌じ狦蹦ノ︑笆扳祙ㄩ诀Θセ玥琌きじΘセ菠蔼ㄤい琌︑笆扳ㄩ诀ョΤㄤ蝴ΘセΤ玂の笲癳祙窥单よ︽現Θセ
Referees' Consent for Loan Applicants
2. 肅繟某拜畊ネカチ瞷ビ叫獺ノの┪蝗︽ビ叫禪蹿祅癘吭高戈琌ゐ斗紉眔吭高種ㄤいΤ杜礚纕临ろ蹿兜τぃΤ闽癩叭诀篶獽吭高發琩︓發癚Τ闽╈ろ蹿兜癸吭高硑Θ逮耑碞現┎セЫ
(a) 琌眡筁Τぶ﹙摸の
(b) 現┎Τσ納璶―癩叭诀篶蝗︽の癩叭そ砏﹚ビ叫ゲ斗ボ吭高種靡ゅンよ秈︽ビ叫璝︙
癩竒ㄆ叭氮:畊ネ筁翠蝗︽そ穦㎝钡蹿そそ穦礚钡莉Τ闽粄诀篶刚瓜蹿┪獺ノ忘ㄏノ吭高發癚ろ杜щ禗︓翠磕恨瞶Ы"恨Ы"玥沮Τ﹙吭高щ禗蝗︽琩贝獺ノ忘ㄏノ辅赣獺ノ忘ㄏノビ叫吭高逆恶糶ㄤㄆ玡ゼ眔ㄤ種牡よ琌称ΤΤ闽羭厨發癚ろ杜ㄆン参璸计礚疭碞Τ闽吭高щ禗だ秨魁
現┎讽Ы粄蝗︽穨兵ㄒ粄诀篶璶―╬禪蹿の獺ノ忘ビ叫ゲ斗紉眔吭高種よビ叫恶糶ㄤ硂琌莱赣暗猭︓琌惠璶碞Τ闽ㄆ兜秈˙ま盢穦ユパ恨Ы㎝穨ずそ穦碞璹甅蝗︽穨玥Θミ舱╯赣玥Ξ崩約纔▆蝗︽穨巨の粄诀篶㎝め丁ミそキ㎝ㄣ硓闽玒
肅繟某拜畊ネ璶氮滦材琿矗牡よ称ΤΤ闽羭厨發癚ろ杜ㄆン参璸硂摸發杜竒盽穦瞷ㄇ疉尔窽繢ㄆ反胊㎝纞︽笆癩竒ㄆ叭セЫ︙籔牡よ皌筀ゎ獶猭發杜︽笆
癩竒ㄆ叭氮畊ネ牡よ穦碞カチ羭厨Τ闽發癚ろ蹿ㄆン甶秨続讽秸琩瞷ㄆ猭ㄒ竒结ぉ牡よì镑舦矪瞶獶猭も琿ㄒ肅某┮弧扒纞嫁ゴㄆ反胊㎝獶猭窽繢单ㄓ發癚ろ蹿ン狦紇臫粄Μ计そ┮蹦ノよ猭ぃ讽獽莱赣牡よ羭厨莱赣恨Ы羭厨恨Ы穦碞-
щ禗籔Τ闽蝗︽蛤秈
DR DAVID LI: Mr President, given the rarity of any instances where a referee may actually need to be approached by a financial institution in connection with a credit card or loan account, will the Government consider that the appropriate action in such rare cases should not be a matter requiring legislation but should be left to the discretion of the financial institution?
SECRETARY FOR FINANCIAL SERVICES: Mr President, there is no intention on the part of the Government or the Hong Kong Monetary Authority to introduce legislation to govern this sort of activity which is basically a commercial activity. We consider the more appropriate approach would be through notices from the Monetary Authority to the Hong Kong Association of Banks and other related trade bodies, so that best practices could be promulgated. And also, if necessary, as I indicated in my principal reply, it can be further taken in the context of the Code of Banking Practice that is now being prepared.
PRESIDENT: I have four more names on my list. I propose to conclude the question session today after the four names.
独綺笽某拜畊ネ現┎Τ硓筁恨Ыボ蝗︽┪ㄤ粄诀篶ぃ吭高發癚杜叭璹﹚ㄇ猭ㄒ眏êㄇ诀篶宽硂兜ボ璝現┎︙穦硂妓暗吭高逮耑
癩竒ㄆ叭氮畊ネタи璶氮滦い┮弧恨Ы碞紉―吭高種硂ㄆる蝗︽穨ずそ穦祇タΑㄧン瞷︳璸Τぶ丁蝗︽穦磅︽硂兜某讽礛琌ēぇ筁Νи-
粄蝗︽莱赣穦縩伐莱狦Τ蝗︽竒筁琿丁ㄌ礛Τ硂摸щ禗㎝拜肈恨Ы讽礛σ納ノ瞷Τ蝗︽猭ㄒ舦タΑ蝗︽暗恨Ы粄莱赣暗ㄆ
独綺笽某拜畊ネ癩竒ㄆ叭⊿Τ氮и拜肈氮Τ闽璶―吭高種踞ヴ吭高τぃ琌種蠢纕临杜兜и拜肈琌現┎穦硓筁恨Ыボ蝗︽㎝粄诀篶ぃ吭高發杜硂籔癩竒ㄆ叭氮滦琌ㄢㄆ叫拜現┎︙穦硂妓暗
PRESIDENT: I think the Secretary, when answering Dr David LI's question, said the Administration was not prepared to introduce legislation, which is the gist of your question.
癩竒ㄆ叭氮畊ネ闽吭高砫ヴ拜肈狦-
⊿Τ帽竝ヴ︙ゅン┪ㄤ某氮莱璽砫赣兜杜叭-
猭讽礛Ч⊿Τ砫ヴ璽踞ろ蹿и粄瞷恨Ы㎝穨ず舱璹玥莱睲贰弧吭高琩贝蹿辅玱ぃ莱赣璶吭高纕临杜兜硂莱赣睲贰﹚穨ず秈︽続讽肚
糂紌某拜畊ネ琎边獽Τㄢカチи快ㄆ矪щ禗Τ闽硂ㄆ-
稰稫磓㎝礚ー稰щ禗礚и辨蝗︽瓣腳某丁蝗︽硂琌獶盽腨拜肈現┎莱カチ狦-
笿硂贺薄猵莱赣妓暗蹿ゼ竒-
種薄猵盢-
ビ厨吭高蝗︽︓盢-
戈倒ぉΜ计そ-
Μ计そ逮耑硂Τ牟デ硄筁Τ闽戈兵ㄒ現┎瞷璶―蝗︽︑︽矪瞶獺ゼゲキカチ极
PRESIDENT: Secretary, before you answer the question, may I remind Members that they are not supposed to address other Members, particularly during Question Time because that should be a time devoted to questioning the Government.
癩竒ㄆ叭氮畊ネи竒秆睦吭高セ⊿Τ猭砫ヴ璽砫纕临ろ蹿狦瞷临Τщ禗蝗︽┪Μ杜そ璶―吭高临蹿吭高讽礛Τ舦Чぃノ瞶穦狦吭高砆發杜τ發杜ㄏノぃ続讽も琿-
莱赣厨牡
眎簙┚某拜畊ネи借高籔糂紌某摸叫拜êㄇ猭舦︙ㄓ-
琌パ蝗︽倒ぉΜ计そ叫拜蝗︽Τ牟デ猭ㄒ
癩竒ㄆ叭氮畊ネи瞷┮眔戈㎝種ǎ蝗︽⊿Τ牟猭程璶琌吭高莱赣ㄆ玡笵︑吭高恨Ы㎝現┎瞷竒秨﹍闽猔ㄆ璶―蝗︽﹚璶ビ叫靡莉眔吭高種ぇ拜肈碞莱赣ぃ穦瞷
ッ笷某拜畊ネ癩竒ㄆ叭氮滦淮淮盿筁硂拜肈セЫㄆ稰ぃ骸и-
讽礛フ吭高⊿Τデ猭-
絋砆逮耑ㄒ糛猳玛臟筯单癩竒ㄆ叭ゼ竒菌筁讽礛弧ぃノ甡┤
畊ネ癩竒ㄆ叭璶氮滦材琿矗粄ゐ斗猭Α砏﹚τ穦吭高蝗︽そ穦㎝蝗︽種ǎ叫拜癩竒ㄆ叭蝗︽瞷Τ膙蝗︽︓礚兵ン祇獺ノ忘高拜硂ㄇΤ痲侥蝗︽琌觅Θ斗ボ吭高種硂礚好钩㎝﹟吭高よ猭琌吭高ㄇΤ痲侥叫拜癩竒ㄆ叭Τσ納吭高ミ猭ЫΤ闽〆穦㎝そ渤種ǎ㎡
PRESIDENT: Asking, not a monk, but a bonze?
癩竒ㄆ叭氮畊ネ硂闽蝗︽穨膀セ巨㎝笲拜肈┮硄筁蝗︽そ穦㎝恨Ы舱览璹兜產や㎝種玥τ赣玥珹┮癚阶拜肈硂琌程続讽程Τ㎝程ぃ耑チよ猭
ッ笷某拜畊ネ癩竒ㄆ叭⊿Τ氮и借高吭高逮耑叫拜硂琌紇臫禣㎝カチ拜肈︙癩竒ㄆ叭粄硂拜肈ぃ疉のそ渤痲ゐ斗そ秨吭高カチ㎝ミ猭Ы種ǎτ琌吭高êㄇ祇獺ノ忘τΤ痲侥蝗︽
癩竒ㄆ叭氮畊ネ硂舱Ν∕﹚穦淋叫禣〆穦把籔癚阶の矗ㄑ種ǎ獺禣〆穦莱だ翠禣痲㎝種ǎ
WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS
Hygiene of Packed Food Products
7. 馋莱某拜挪程Τ都珇灿颠稰琕τ跑胊借好徖ネ竝菏恨そ渤徖ネΘ瞯のも单拜肈現┎セЫ
(a) 徖ネ竝璽砫ǖ琩カ杆珇┪都珇徖ネ服诡Τぶ
(b) 瞷徖ネ竝莱祇ㄆンΤぶ徖ネ服诡ㄑ候秸笆
(c) 徖ネ竝Τヴ︙莱惫琁矪瞶摸瓃祇ㄆン璝礛赣单莱惫琁琌珹逼祇ガ穝籇の秸笆も单
(d) 徖ネ竝Τ甅非玥沮∕﹚钡莉щ禗笷琘キ碞ゲ斗蹦︽笆カチそガΤ闽の
(e) 徖ネ竝琌Τ﹚戳ǖ琩癸セ扳摸の都珇秈︽┾妓浪琩のて喷
SECRETARY FOR HEALTH AND WELFARE: Mr President, the regular inspection of pre-packed food products on sale in the local market is carried out by a dedicated surveillance unit staffed by 33 health inspectorate staff under the Hygiene Division of the Department of Health.
There are 85 health inspectorate staff working in the Hygiene Division of the Department of Health engaging in a wide range of duties including food surveillance and control of border entry points. About half of these 85 officers can be redeployed to deal with emergencies. Furthermore, as in the case of the recent recall of Vitasoy products, the Department will conduct joint operations with the Urban Services Department and Regional Services Department to mobilize the maximum number of personnel within the shortest time possible.
The Department of Health has an established system to cope with public health emergencies, including public announcements and staff deployment. However, the actual measures to be taken must be carefully considered in the circumstances of each individual case to avoid causing undue public alarm. The number and nature of complaints received are among the factors taken into account before a decision is taken.
A surveillance programme is in place to carry out regular inspection and sampling of food products on sale in the local market to ensure that they are in compliance with the required standards.
Hong Kong Sports Development Board's Administrative Costs
8. MR PAUL CHENG asked: According to figures published in the Hong Kong Sports Development Board (SDB)'s 1994-95 Annual Report, staff and administrative costs account for about 60% of the SDB's total expenditure, leaving about 40% being spent on activities relating directly to the promotion and development of sports in the territory. In this connection, will the Government provide this Council with the following information:
(a) the proportion, in terms of the number and cost, of the coaching staff to the overall staff establishment in the SDB;
(b) a detailed breakdown of the costs, functions, and areas of responsibilities for coaches at the various levels within the SDB, the National Sports Associations and the Hong Kong Sports Institute;
(c) a breakdown by number and cost of the non-coaching staff of the SDB;
(d) the number of staff on expatriate terms and the cost of employing these expatriates relative to the total staff costs; and
(e) the justification for having expatriate staff involved primarily in administrative, managerial, and fund-raising functions?
SECRETARY FOR RECREATION AND CULTURE: Mr President, as the main thrust of the question seems to be centred around the general administration cost of the Hong Kong Sports Development Board (SDB) as opposed to its direct expenditure on sports development, it would seem better if we were to provide a breakdown of the expenditure of the SDB in such a manner instead of concentrating on the expenditure on coaching activities. Sports development is generally taken to include coaching, athlete support, coach education, sports science, sports medicine and sports promotion.
The SDB's 1994-95 Annual Report presents the financial figures of the SDB and the Hong Kong Sports Institute (HKSI) on a combined basis for the first time following their integration. The breakdown of the expenditure by the main components is set out below:
Item Cost SDB HKSI Total per
($M) Annual Report
Staff costs 87.0 12.2% 36.1% 48.3%
Administration costs 21.6 3.4% 8.5% 11.9%
------ ------- ------- ---------
Staff and administration
costs 108.6 15.6% 44.6% 60.2%
Sports development and 71.5 33.3% 6.5% 39.8%
promotion expenditure
(including a $4 million
allocation to Sports
Promotion Funds)
------- --------- --------- --------
Total 180.1 48.9% 51.1% 100%
The figures in paragraph two can be further broken down by reference to general administration costs and expenditure on sports development as follows:
Item Cost SDB HKSI Total
($M)
General Administration
Staff costs
- Facilities management 22.9 - 12.7% 12.7%
- Administration 13.0 4.4% 2.8% 7.2%
Administration costs 21.6 3.4% 8.5% 11.9%
------- ------- ------- ---------
57.5 7.8% 24.0% 31.8%
=== === === ===
Sports Development
Staff costs 51.1 7.8% 20.6% 28.4%
Sports development 71.5 33.3% 6.5% 39.8%
and promotion expenditure
------- -------- -------- -------- 122.6 41.1% 27.1% 68.2%
=== === === ===
Total 180.1 48.9% 51.1% 100%
Turning to question (a), on the basis of the cost centres mentioned in the first paragraph, the number of staff deployed for sports development work to the total establishment of the integrated SDB in 1994-95 was 144:352. The corresponding ratio for staff costs was $51.1 million : $87 million.
As regards question (b), the SDB itself does not employ any coaches. All such staff are employed by the HKSI. There were 70 of them (consisting of 28 permanent and 42 non-permanent staff) looking after 11 residential and seven non-residential sports at the HKSI in 1994-95. The total staff costs amounted to $26.2 million. Details on the coaching staff employed by individual National Sports Associations are not available as they are met from the block grants to the associations and do not form part of the SDB/HKSI establishment.
Concerning question (c), of the total number of staff of the SDB in 1994-95 (352), 208 officers (consisting of 185 permanent and 23 non-permanent staff) were engaged in non-sports development work at a cost of 35.9 million. 166 (consisting of 145 permanent and 21 non-permanent staff) were deployed for the management of the various facilities of the HKSI at cost of $22.9 million, and 42 (consisting of 40 permanent and two non-permanent staff) for general administration and financial control duties at a cost of $13 million.
Regarding question (d), a total of 10 expatriate staff were employed by the SDB and the HKSI in 1994-95. At present, there are six expatriate staff. With the departure of the incumbent Chief Executive in January 1996, the remaining five expatriate staff, including the Director of the HKSI, are engaged primarily in coaching work. The staff cost is $6.4 million. However, the SDB now applies the same terms of employment to both local and expatriate staff. In other words, all staff are employed on local terms.
Finally, on question (e), no expatriate officer will be employed to perform administrative, managerial, and fund-raising functions after the departure of the incumbent Chief Executive.
Collection of Crown Rent
9. 糂祇某拜瞷現┎穦祇煤蹿硄硄カチ煤ユ畉昏㎝羱祙单蹿兜現羆竝玱⊿Τ祇煤蹿硄ぉ穨硄ㄤ煤ユ祙癸現┎セЫ
(a) ︙Μ祙蹿よ蹦ノぃ祘㎝非玥
(b) 瞷︽現郸璝穨ろユ祙現┎Τ舦Μㄤ穨ゼ莉祇煤蹿硄薄猵τ筄戳ゼΤ煤ユ祙旧璓砆Μ現┎琌種羭Τ笻そキ玥の
(c) 沮眡纯Τ穨讽Ы琩高Τ闽ユ祙ㄆ﹜讽Ыㄆ玱璶―ㄤ煤ユ"琩高禣ノ"︙讽Ыゼヴ︙硄獽Μ禣ノ
SECRETARY FOR PLANNING, ENVIRONMENT AND LANDS: Mr President,
(a) For land in the urban area, demand notes to land owners for payment of government rents are issued by the Treasury. In the rural area of the New Territories, the addresses of a vast majority of land owners are either imprecise or incomplete. It has therefore been a long established practice that land owners collect the demand notes for government rents at the relevant District Lands Office and make payments at the nearest Sub-Treasury, which is normally in the same building where the District Lands Office is located;
(b) although we do not send demand notes to owners of land in the rural area, efforts are made to contact them to remind them to pay government rents before we initiate re-entry proceedings. Even if a re-entry notice has been registered, land owners still have the right to petition the Governor or to apply to the High Court for relief against the re-entry. It should be pointed out, however, that there has not been any case of re-entry for non-payment of government rents in at least the last 10 years; and
(c) we do not charge a fee for answering public enquiries about outstanding government rents, but a fee has to be paid in advance if a written reply is required. This practice is well-known among those concerned, in particular, among the professionals who may represent the land owners.
Supplementary Labour Scheme
10. 纯胺Θ某拜程現┎籔骋碞块骋拜肈笷Θ某現┎セЫ
(a) ︙籔骋酵"干骋璸购"τぃ籔セЫ現獀刮砰絉坝
(b) 酵筁祘いΤ瞣疉ユ传兵ン︙骋笷2 000浪癚τ獶ㄤ计肂硂穦籔琁現厨い5 000骋現郸が笻璉
(c) 癸诀初骋よ︙ぃ砞Α浪癚诀の
(d) 酵戳丁現┎︙紉高炊霉渤種腀のΤσ納-
種ǎ
SECRETARY FOR EDUCATION AND MANPOWER: Mr President,
(a) The Government conducted extensive consultations on the Supplementary Labour Scheme (SLS) proposal since its announcement in October 1995. We had discussions with the Labour Advisory Board, employer and employee groups, political parties within the Legislative Council and individual Legislative Councillors.
(b) The Government's decision to revise the original SLS proposal includes the introduction of a review mechanism which will be triggered when a total of 2 000 visa applications has been approved. We believe that the revised SLS, taken in total, strikes a reasonable balance between the interests of employees and those of employers. The Government's decision has been generally accepted by many Legislative Councillors, employer and employee representatives and the community at large.
(c) The Special Labour Importation Scheme for ACP and related projects has a well-established system for reviewing its quota ceiling which is based on a projection of the locally available on-site construction work labour force and the total labour requirements of the projects involved.
(d) During the consultation period, public opinion on the proposal was reflected through an independent opinion poll, media reports, press editorials and articles written by academics and interested parties. We have also taken note of the views expressed directly to the Government. We have taken all these views into consideration before reaching a decision.
Kwun Lung Lau Slope
11. 腑瓣辆某拜Τ闽芠纒加弊℡綿㏕祘現┎セЫ
(a) 琌眡瞷祘秈薄猵の翠┬穦菏恨祘Τ笿螟璝Τ冈薄︙の
(b) 翠┬穦琌蹦ノも↖絚よΑ秈︽祘璝礛挪祘よΑ繧現┎穦σ納璶―翠┬穦эノㄤよΑ秈︽
SECRETARY FOR PLANNING, ENVIRONMENT AND LANDS: Mr President,
(a) Staff of the Buildings Department make regular visits to monitor the progress of the slope stabilization works at Kwun Lung Lau. Permanent remedial work in front of Block D has been largely completed. Work at the back of Block D has commenced at the end of November 1995 and is progressing on schedule. The Hong Kong Housing Society has not encountered any difficulty in the supervision of the works.
(b) In view of the special condition of the site, hand-dug caissons have been involved in the remedial works. Approval was given after the submission of all proper safety measures by the contractor. As those parts of the works involving caissons have now been largely completed, there is little point in considering alternative construction methods. Starting from 1 February 1996, there will be a general ban on the use of hand-dug caissons under the Buildings Ordinance.
Effectiveness of Announcement of Public Interest
12. 產不某拜現┎セЫ
(a) Τ浪癚ヘ玡獵ぶ肚ぃ璶垒ノ媚肚龟悔Θ璝Τ挡狦︙璝穦︙秈︽の
(b) τē獵ぶ肚ぃ璶垒ノ媚肚穦冀蠢の現┎酚或非玥传赣单肚ず甧
SECRETARY FOR SECURITY: Mr President,
(a) The Narcotics Division conducts household surveys from time to time to collect data for assessing public awareness of the anti-drug publicity carried out by the Action Committee Against Narcotics (ACAN), including anti-drug messages conveyed through APIs. The last such survey was conducted in 1994. Separately, in November 1995 the Information Services Department commissioned a survey to evaluate the effectiveness of the three latest APIs of the fight crime publicity campaign. These APIs also covered anti-drug messages.
The 1994 Survey conducted by the Narcotics Division showed a high degree of awareness of the anti-drug APIs among the respondents: 99% of all respondents who had encountered anti-drug publicity quoted TV as their major source. 264 of the 1426 respondents enumerated in the Survey were aged below 21. It was noted that young people were more aware of those APIs which had been recently produced, and that APIs which use a more explicit approach and targeted specifically at young persons are more effective. (One of the four APIs covered in the survey, which used an explicit approach, was correctly interpreted by over 60% of the young persons surveyed.)
The survey by the Information Services Department covered a sample of over 100 secondary school students. General feedback of the survey was that the messages carried on the APIs were well received. Over 90% of the respondents remembered the slogans of the APIs; about 30% thought that the APIs effectively disseminated the intended messages.
(b) The Government produces two to three new anti-drug APIs annually. The APIs are reviewed every month, and may be rotated or changed in order to achieve maximum publicity and impact. The criteria for changing an API include the current drug abuse situation, the timing of the year (for example, more publicity is targetted at young people during summer vacation, Christmas and New Year), and the specific needs of a particular target group (such as parents and youths-at-risk).
Land Grants to Foreign Governments
13. MR ALBERT CHAN asked: Will the Government inform this Council of:
(a) the Government's policy on land grants made to foreign governments, including the Chinese Government;
(b) the procedure for making such land grants; and
(c) the Government' policy on setting the premiums for such land grants; in particular, how the premium is determined, and whether there are circumstances under which payment of the premium is exempted?
SECRETARY FOR PLANNING, ENVIRONMENT AND LANDS: Mr President,
(a) Land grants to other governments are rare. They have to be fully justified on the merits of each case;
(b) such land grants, if justified, are made in the same manner as other land grants by private treaty; and
(c) premiums for these land grants are determined in the same manner as those for other land grants by private treaty. Each case has to be considered on its own merits.
Community Charter on AIDS
14. DR LEONG CHE-HUNG asked: Since the signing of the Community Charter on AIDS by the Government and the Hospital Authority (HA) a year ago, will the Administration inform this Council:
(a) whether the "non-discriminatory policy on AIDS" has been promulgated in the workplace of government departments and public hospitals under the management of the HA as stipulated in the Charter, if so, what measures have been taken by the Government and the HA to promote the policy among the 180 000 civil servants and 40 000 HA staff;
(b) if the answer to (a) is in the negative, whether a time schedule for carrying out all the commitments stipulated in the Charter has been drawn up by the Government and the HA; and
(c) how long it will take to provide AIDS education in the workplace to all civil servants and HA staff?
SECRETARY FOR HEALTH AND WELFARE: Mr President,
(a) Both the Government and the Hospital Authority (HA) have promulgated a "non-discriminatory policy on AIDS".
The Government's policy was formally promulgated to all government branches and departments in a Civil Service Branch Circular issued on 9 January 1996. A copy is attached (at the end of this record of proceedings). A designated senior officer in each branch and department will co-ordinate the implementation of the AIDS policy, including the handling in confidence of AIDS related enquiries. Education programmes such as workshops and seminars will be organized, with the assistance of the Department of Health, for staff.
Similarly, the HA has advised all hospitals to initiate concerted action to support the Charter by contributing to the worldwide effort of curbing the spread of HIV, educating and enhancing staff awareness on HIV/AIDS and encouraging the adoption of a non-discriminatory policy in the workplace setting.
A half-day seminar for all Hospital Chief Executives and senior management staff in HA hospitals was held in November 1995. In the seminar, senior executives were briefed on the projected trend of the AIDS epidemic in Hong Kong and current policy on the provision of clinical service for AIDS patients, staff with occupationally acquired HIV infection and the employment of HIV-infected health care workers. The implications of the Charter, particularly with regard to HIV/AIDS and the workplace as well as safeguarding the rights of HIV/AIDS patients and preventing discrimination, was also covered in the seminar.
Appropriate infection control measures have been implemented in all HA hospitals as an insurance against HIV/AIDS disruption in the workplace.
(b) Both the Government and the HA are promulgating a "non-discriminatory policy on AIDS" in the workplace.
(c) Both the Government and the HA recognize that AIDS education is an ongoing process. Within the Government, departments have been asked to arrange workshops/seminars for their staff on a regular and continuous basis, having regard to resources available. In addition, educational materials such as posters and pamphlets will be issued to departments to enhance AIDS awareness and to discourage discrimination in the workplace.
As for the HA, apart from the ongoing professional and vocational training of health care professionals on HIV/AIDS, a series of education programmes will be organized for all hospital staff to ensure the commitments stipulated in the Charter are met.
Supplementary Statements on Government Accounts
15. MISS CHRISTINE LOH asked: With reference to the statement in the Financial Secretary's 1994-95 Budget speech that supplementary statements on the Government's accounts concerning certain selected government activities will be prepared on an experimental basis in order to show the full cost of such activities, will the Government inform this Council what progress has been made in preparing such statements?
SECRETARY FOR THE TREASURY: Mr President, the Financial Secretary informed Members in his 1994-95 Budget speech that there were strong reasons for retaining the existing cash-based accounts. Nevertheless, he also proposed, on an experimental basis, to prepare supplementary statements to help us see the full cost of selected activities.
We have subsequently conducted a pilot study which involved the production of Resource Accounts for four selected departments aimed at comparing the full costs of government programmes with the results achieved. We have also commissioned a consultancy study to advise on the accounting issues that need to be addressed in introducing such accounts. The studies indicate that while Resource Accounts would provide supplementary costs information to aid management, the extent of its direct applicability for management decisions would vary, depending on the type of activities involved. We therefore intend to conduct a further pilot study and produce Resource Accounts for a selected number of service-provider departments. This study should help us consider how we can fully utilize Resource Accounts for management purposes.
Police Brain Drain
16. DR DAVID LI asked: The Commissioner of Police admitted recently that the departure of many of his most senior officers before 1997 would hit the Police Force. Will the Government inform this Council what measures are being implemented to stabilize the Police Force in the run-up to 1997?
SECRETARY FOR SECURITY: Mr President, we are determined to maintain the Police Force as one of the finest in the world. It is the Force's declared policy, fully supported by the police staff associations, to encourage all officers to remain in service across 1997. The joint efforts of management and staff will continue in that direction.
Specifically, the following measures have been implemented to stabilize the Police Force in the run-up to 1997:
(a) The Joint Declaration is clear that police officers previously serving in the Hong Kong Government may continue to serve the future Special Administrative Region Government without any change in conditions of service.
(b) To ensure that the Force will maintain an optimal staffing level, a Manpower Planning Survey was conducted in May 1995. During this exercise, all officers at the rank of Inspector and above were interviewed and encouraged to remain in service. The result is reassuring 82% indicated that they would continue to serve beyond 1997. 11% were "undecided".
(c) The Force has a sufficient pool of qualified officers at all levels for consideration for promotion. In the event that those undecided chose to leave, the vacancies arising can all be filled through normal promotions.
(d) The Force will offer improved promotion opportunities to those who remain in service as well as good career prospects to new entrants.
We will continue to monitor the situation closely and take appropriate measures as necessary. The Force Management will continue its close liaison with the staff associations to keep the situation under review. So far, the picture emerging indicates that the Force will be able to manage the changes ahead without compromising its very high standards.
Projection of Long-term Demand for Electricity
17. 霉不瓣某拜現┎セЫ
(a) 琌眡い地筿Τそ㎝翠筿縊Τそ蹦ノ或参璸よ猭箇代セ翠环ノ筿惠―璝礛参璸よ猭冈薄︙
(b) ︙菏恨ㄢ產筿そ癸筿惠―箇代絋玂ㄤ非絋┦の
(c) Τ蝶︳ㄢ產筿そ箇代瞷熬畉穦癸筿禣络﹚Τ︙紇臫
SECRETARY FOR ECONOMIC SERCICES: Mr President,
(a) The Government is aware of the statistical methods used by the two electricity companies to project demand for electricity over the longer term. The China Light and Power Company's demand forecast is produced by analyzing the historical data on the pattern of electricity consumption and the outlook for economic development. Projections on sales are derived from micro analysis of electricity consumption in 22 different customer classes. Each class is analyzed through a combination of econometric and time-series techniques to establish the long-term relationship between electricity consumption in that class and the underlying economic and social factors. The results are cross-checked against a macro analysis, which relates overall electricity consumption with gross domestic product and the price of electricity. The Hongkong Electric Company's demand forecast is obtained from the joint application of three forecasting methods. The main method used is the trend of demand over time, supplemented by a sectional method which forecasts demand in the domestic, commercial and industrial sectors and an econometric method which correlates demand growth with economic indicators such as gross domestic product.
(b) Projections of demand for electricity submitted by the electricity companies in support of proposals for financing of new capital expenditure are examined by the Government having regard to the reasonableness of the forecasting methodology and input assumptions and the Government's own forecasts. The companies' forecasts of demand are monitored continuously by the Government on a yearly basis through the financial monitoring and auditing arrangements provided for under the Scheme of Control Agreements to ensure that they remain realistic.
(c) The basic tariff that the companies may charge over the life of their current financing plan is determined when the plan is approved by the Government. Every year, when the companies submit their forecasts for the annual auditing review, the Government conducts an assessment of the impact on tariffs of any deviations in the company's projections. The Scheme of Control Agreements also provide for the companies to submit a new financing plan for the Government's approval whenever variations in the projections are such as to increase basic tariffs significantly above those previously approved.
Retirement and Resignation of Police Officers
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(a) 牡钉恨瞶顶糷い瞷︽ビ叫癶ヰ┪勉戮计の
(b) Τ︳璸牡钉恨瞶顶糷ゼㄓㄢ瑈ア计ぶ
SECRETARY FOR THE CIVIL SERVICE: Mr President, as at 1 January 1996, the number of applications for retirement and resignation received from officers in the management ranks of Inspector to Senior Assistant Commissioner, who are to commence leave prior to finally leaving the service in the 18 months from January 1996 to June 1997, now totals 134. This represents just 3.1% of staff at that level and compares very favourably with the wastage rates in the Civil Service as a whole of 4.8% over the past 12 months.
To understand the situation of the Police Force as a whole, it is important also to take into account wastage rates among the junior ranks. The number of Junior Police Officers (JPO) leaving the service has been decreasing over the past four years from a monthly average of 113 in 1991 to currently 74 each month. This represents a 3.6% annual turnover of staff. This slow rate of staff turnover also compares very favourably with other sectors in the Government. There is no indication, at this time, of an increase in the number of leavers from the JPO ranks.
The Force Management completed a Manpower Planning Survey in May 1995 to obtain direct feedback from staff as to their intentions with regard to 1997. Manpower Planning is an ongoing process examining the various scenarios of different levels of leavers so as to provide necessary information to the Force Management to consider any adjustments that may need to be made to the various contingency measures that are now in place.
The Manpower Survey provided an insight into the possible intentions of staff in the ranks of Inspector to Senior Assistant Commissioner. At that time, 173 officers, 6.9% of those surveyed, indicated an intention to leave the service from July 1995 to 1 July 1997; a further 275 (11%) were undecided. It is worth noting that the number of applications to retire which have been received so far is in line with the findings of the 1995 Survey. This merely confirms the validity of that exercise.
The force replacement policy provides for promotion and recruitment as soon as an officer commences leave prior to finally leaving the service. Discounting known leavers and the undecided officers, the number of officers who will compete for promotion remains well in excess of the number of vacancies which are likely to arise. The situation will continue to be monitored closely.
New Airport
19. 独篿某拜碞穝诀初砍ㄆ﹜現┎セЫ
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(b) 穝诀初材兵禲笵箇璸︙ЧΘщ狝叭
SECRETARY FOR ECONOMIC SERVICES: Mr President, the New Airport project is on schedule to meet the target opening date of April 1998.
We have reached agreement with the Chinese side of the Airport Committee of the Sino-British Joint Liaison Group on award of the three most urgent franchises for air cargo, aircraft catering and aviation fuel supply services. Discussions in the Airport Committee on two other franchises for aircraft base and line maintenance and aircraft ramp handling services are underway. Meanwhile, construction works are progressing on schedule to allow full commissioning, testing and trials before airport opening in April 1998. At the end of 1995, the New Airport was 47% completed while the overall Airport Core Programme was 48% completed.
The timing for construction of the second runway and for bringing it into operation is being examined by the Administration in consultation with the Airport Authority. We will take into account factors such as the latest forecasts on air traffic demand, capacity utilization of the first runway and the financial and economical implications involved. No conclusions have yet been reached.
Emergency Ambulance Service
20. 独岸藉某拜挪ň矪候毕臔狝叭戈方祏拜肈ら痲腨ぷ穝跋現┎セЫ
(a) 筁–毕臔计ヘの毕臔酬计ヘ(だ候酬计ヘのㄤ糤搭κだゑ
(b) 筁┮笷璓狝叭┯空κだゑ︙琌Τ镣墩璝礛︙の
(c) 穦糤毕臔もの毕臔óㄏ毕臔狝叭タ盽絪笲笷琂﹚狝叭┯空璝礛︙龟琁璝︙Τ︙惫琁э到ヘ玡薄猵
SECRETARY FOR SECURITY: Mr President,
(a) The strength of the Ambulancemen grade in the past three years is:
Year Number of Ambulancemen
as at 1 April
1995 1 865
1994 1 920
1993 1 963
The decrease in crew strength in 1994 and 1995 was due to the hiving off of most non-emergency ambulance services to the Hospital Authority. This programme started in March 1994 and was completed in September 1995.
The number of ambulance calls attended in the past three years are:
Number of Ambulance Calls
Year Emergency Others Total
1995 317 749 107 594 425 343
(+9.8%) (-21.0%) (-0.0%)
1994 289 289 136 046 425 335
(+7.6%) (-21.5%) (-3.8%)
1993 268 943 173 361 442 304
( ) denotes the % increase/decrease over the previous year.
It should be noted that in responding to ambulance calls, priority is always given to emergency calls.
(b) Our target is for 95% of emergency calls to be reached within a ten-minute travel time. The percentage of emergency calls which have attained the target travel time in the past three years is:
Year % emergency calls reached
within target travel time
1995 89.5
1994 91.7
1993 92.5
The decrease in 1995 was mainly due to deteriorating traffic conditions, long travelling distances in the New Territories and the increased number of emergency calls. The unusual number of disruptions caused by typhoons, rainstorms, flooding and road closures in the second and third quarters of 1995 also had a significant impact on performance.
(c) The Government remains committed to achieving the target set in the Performance Pledge. The Government commissioned a Consultancy Study on Emergency Ambulance Service last year to identify ways to achieve cost-effective improvements in the provision of emergency ambulance services. A list of improvement measures recommended and which the Fire Services Department has already implemented is at the Annex. These measures, and the completion of the hiving off programme of non-emergency ambulance services to the Hospital Authority, resulted in an improvement in performance in the last quarter of 1995 to 90.3%. Other measures which require more detailed examination and longer timeframes to implement are being considered. These measures include further efficiency improvements, improvements in staffing levels and development of further ambulance depot facilities in areas of increased local demand.
Annex
Measures implemented by the FSD
to improve performance immediately
(a) Ambulances are stationed in fire stations in addition to ambulance depots to extend emergency ambulance cover. The fire stations involved include North Point, Kotewall Road, Ap Lei Chau, Kwai Chung, Sheung Shui and Sha Tau Kok.
(b) Ambulances and their crew are redeployed from stations with relatively adequate manning to those where manning is inadequate to meet local demand.
(c) The Fire Services Communication Centre has streamlined its operational procedures for ambulance deployments to achieve more effective mobilization.
(d) The transfer of residual non-emergency cases to another agency is being actively pursued to enable the FSD to better concentrate on its delivery of emergency ambulance services.
(e) The performance of ambulance aid motorcycles, which provide life-saving first aid before an ambulance reaches the scene, has been included in the calculation of emergency ambulance performance.
MOTIONS
CRIMINAL PROCEDURE ORDINANCE
THE CHIEF SECRETARY to move the following motion:
"That the Criminal Appeal (Amendment) Rules 1995, made by the Chief Justice on 15 December 1995, be approved."
She said: Mr President, I move the first motion standing in my name on the Order Paper.
On 5 July 1995, the Official Languages (Amendment) Ordinance 1995 was passed by this Council. The Amendment Ordinance provides for the removal of the restriction of the use of Chinese in the higher courts and certain tribunals. It enables a judge or judicial officer presiding over a court hearing, as well as lawyers representing the parties, to use either or both of the official languages.
The Judiciary is committed to put in place a framework which enables Chinese, along with English, to be used in all judicial proceedings in Hong Kong before 1 July 1997. To meet this target, a Steering Committee on the Use of Chinese in Courts, appointed by the Chief Justice and chaired by Mr Justice Patrick CHAN, recommended a phased implementation strategy enabling the use of Chinese first in the District Court, to be followed by the High Court and then the Court of Appeal.
We now propose that the criminal proceedings of the District Court should be allowed to be conducted in Chinese. As a result, it will be necessary to put in place rules to cover appeals from these cases.
We propose to change the present use of language in District Court criminal appeal proceedings. The proposed change will enable the parties to file their documentation in either Chinese or English. It also enables the parties, the lawyers or the judges to use Chinese at the hearing when it is appropriate to do so. The aim is to provide for a just and expeditious disposal of the proceedings. There is a built-in procedure whereby a party who does not understand a court document which is served on him can request for a translation of the document.
The Criminal Appeal (Amendment) Rules 1995 made by the Chief Justice, under the Criminal Procedure Ordinance and the Official Languages Ordinance, will upon commencement provide for the use of both of the official languages in criminal appeal proceedings taken under the Criminal Procedure Ordinance. The rights of the various parties set out in the Rules reflect the provisions of the Official Languages Ordinance and amplify those rights, where necessary, to reflect the effect of having to use particular languages in particular circumstances. The court will consider which official language will expeditiously dispose of the proceedings justly in making its decision as to which language it will use and its decision will be final.
Pursuant to section 9 of the Criminal Procedure Ordinance, the Rules require the approval of this Council by resolution.
The provisions concerning the use of language in these Rules are applicable to three other sets of Rules for the District Court, namely the Criminal Procedure (Appeal Against Discharge) (Amendment) Rules 1995; the Criminal Procedure (Applications Under Section 16) (Amendment) Rules 1995 and the Criminal Procedure (Reference of Questions of Law) (Amendment) Rules 1995. They will each be the subject of a separate resolution.
Mr President, I beg to move.
Question on the motion proposed, put and agreed to.
CRIMINAL PROCEDURE ORDINANCE
THE CHIEF SECRETARY to move the following motion:
"That the Criminal Procedure (Appeal against Discharge) (Amendment) Rules 1995, made by the Chief Justice on 15 December 1995, be approved."
She said: Mr President, I move the second resolution standing in my name on the Order Paper.
The Criminal Procedure (Appeal Against Discharge) (Amendment) Rules 1995 made by the Chief Justice will, upon commencement, provide for the use of both of the official languages in proceedings for an appeal against discharge taken under the Criminal Procedure Ordinance. Pursuant to section 9 of the Criminal Procedure Ordinance, they require the approval of this Council by resolution.
Mr President, I beg to move.
Question on the motion proposed, put and agreed to.
CRIMINAL PROCEDURE ORDINANCE
THE CHIEF SECRETARY to move the following motion:
"That the Criminal Procedure (Applications under Section 16) (Amendment) Rules 1995, made by the Chief Justice on 15 December 1995, be approved."
She said: Mr President, I move the third resolution standing in my name on the Order paper.
The Criminal Procedure (Applications Under Section 16) (Amendment) Rules 1995 made by the Chief Justice will, upon commencement, allow the use of both of the official languages in an application under section 16 of the Criminal Procedure Ordinance which provides for the discharge of the accused after committal without a hearing under certain conditions. Pursuant to section 9 of the Criminal Procedure Ordinance, they require the approval of this Council by resolution.
Mr President, I beg to move.
Question on the motion proposed, put and agreed to.
CRIMINAL PROCEDURE ORDINANCE
THE CHIEF SECRETARY to move the following motion:
"That the Criminal Procedure (Reference of Questions of Law) (Amendment) Rules 1995, made by the Chief Justice on 15 December 1995, be approved."
She said: Mr President, I move the fourth resolution standing in my name on the Order paper.
The Criminal Procedure (Reference of Questions of Law) (Amendment) Rules 1995 made by the Chief Justice will, upon commencement, provide for the use of both of the official languages with reference to a question of law taken under the Criminal Procedure Ordinance. Pursuant to section 9 of the Crminal Procedure Ordinance, they require the approval of this Council by resolution.
Mr President, I beg to move.
Question on the motion proposed, put and agreed to.
CRIMINAL PROCEDURE ORDINANCE
THE ATTORNEY GENERAL to move the following motion:
"That the Criminal Procedure (Witnesses' Allowances) (Amendment) Rules 1996, made by the Chief Justice on 9 December 1995, be approved."
He said: Mr President, I move the first resolution standing in my name on the Order Paper.
The rate of allowance payable to witnesses in criminal proceedings are prescribed in the Criminal Procedure (Witnesses' Allowance) Rules, made by the Chief Justice under the Criminal Procedure Ordinance. The Rules provide that the maximum allowance payable to an ordinary witness is $240 for each day, or $120 for part of a day. A higher rate, namely, a maximum of $1,400 for each day, or $700 for part of a day, is prescribed for a professional or an expert witness. The existing rates were last revised in 1993 and should now be updated.
At the Finance Committee meeting on 15 October 1993, Members agreed to delegate authority to the Secretary for the Treasury to approve future changes in the rates of the allowance for ordinary witnesses and jurors, in accordance with movements in the median monthly earnings of employees in Hong Kong, and for professional and expert witnesses, in accordance with changes in the mid-point salary of a Medical and Health Officer. In order to maintain the value of the rates of the allowances, it was also agreed that the rate should be reviewed biennially.
Accordingly, the Judiciary conducted a review of the allowances in November last year. It was recommended that the maximum allowance payable to an ordinary witness be increased to $280 for each day, or $140 for part of a day, and that the maximum allowance payable to a professional or an expert witness be increased to $1,690 for each day, or $845 for part of a day. The increase in the allowances was approved by the Secretary for the Treasury under the authority delegated to him by the Finance Committee, to take effect from 26 January 1996.
The Criminal Procedure (Witnesses' Allowances) (Amendment) Rules 1996 will, upon their commencement, bring into effect the new rates. In accordance with section 9B of the Criminal Procedure Ordinance, they require the approval of this Council by resolution.
At the same Finance Committee meeting, Members also approved the proposal that the allowance payable to ordinary, professional and expert witnesses attending a coroner's inquiry be increased to similar levels. These allowances are set out in the Coroners (Witnesses' Allowances) Rules, made under the Coroners Ordinance. The new rates are reflected in the Coroners (Witnesses' Allowances) (Amendment) Rules 1996 which will be made the subject of a separate resolution.
Mr President, I beg to move.
Question on the motion proposed, put and agreed to.
CORONERS ORDINANCE
THE ATTORNEY GENERAL to move the following motion:
"That the Coroners (Witnesses' Allowances) (Amendment) Rules 1996, made by the Chief Justice on 9 December 1995, be approved."
He said: Mr President, I move the second resolution standing in my name on the Order paper.
As I explained earlier, the Coroners (Witnesses' Allowances) (Amendment) Rules 1996 made by the Chief Justice will, upon commencement, bring into effect the new rates of allowances approved by the Secretary for the Treasury under the authority delegated to him by the Finance Committee on 15 October 1993. Pursuant to section 22A of the Coroners Ordinance, they require the approval of this Council by resolution.
Mr President, I beg to move.
Question on the motion proposed, put and agreed to.
MEMBER'S MOTIONS
PRESIDENT: I have accepted the recommendations of the House Committee as to the time limits on speeches for the motion debates and Members were informed by circular on 22 January. The movers of the motions will be given 15 minutes for their speeches including their replies and another five minutes to speak on the proposed amendments, if any. Other Members, including the movers of the amendments, will have seven minutes for their speeches. Under Standing Order 27A, I am required to direct any Member speaking in excess of the specified time to discontinue his speech.
VISA-FREE ENTRY TO UK
MR HOWARD YOUNG to move the following motion:
"That this Council urges the British Government to grant visa-free entry privileges to Hong Kong Special Administrative Region passport holders after 1 July 1997 as well as to continue granting such treatment to British National (Overseas) passport holders from Hong Kong and to make an announcement to this effect as soon as possible."
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ぇ瞷Τōだ靡ぃ尿戳τ璣瓣瓣チ臔酚ぃ穦祇倒玡ゼ纯局Τ贺璣膟臔酚膀セ猭逼┮Τい瓣膟翠ッ﹡チ烩疭跋臔酚τ场だōだ靡の璣瓣瓣チ臔酚Τ常Τ戈烩い瓣現┎抖莱ㄓ翠矗腀辨氮莱翠┎秈︽疭跋臔酚帽祇玡戳臔酚砞璸笷瑈キㄢ㏄玡い璣羛羛蹈舱穦某璶帽祇疭跋臔酚腨盞┦の︑┦邻˙
ヘ玡癸珼驹琌︙荷еミ疭跋臔酚瓣悔そ獺荷秖帽靡纔磃环ㄓ弧疭跋臔酚盢ōだ靡の璣瓣瓣チ臔酚ネㄠ担ョе盢疭跋臔酚籔Τ璣瓣瓣チ臔酚ダ癬笴ゲ斗ウ砆钡の纔磃祘ㄏㄤぃㄈヘ玡笴靡ン
硂拜肈璣瓣癪膍砫礚禪璣瓣玧眏倒ぉき窾產畑﹡璣舦ㄓ琘ㄇ矗倒ぉ┮Τ翠璣瓣臔酚ぃ琌龟悔ヘ夹璣瓣ЧΤ羭もぇ骋倒ぉ翠帽靡挂璣瓣ヘ玡竒程ぶ倒ぉきκき窾璣瓣瓣チ臔酚の璣瓣妮そチ臔酚翠帽靡纔磃┮倒妓疭跋臔酚帽靡僚セ⊿Τ或眔アκ窾ōだ靡ΤΤ璣瓣︽┪そ稦キАΜ㎝戮穨程ぶ琌い单Μ產畑ヴ︙Τ竒喷︽璽砫常穦禗ōだ靡Τōだの禣荡ぃ还︹籔璣瓣臔酚Τゑ"揣"ㄓ甧
璣瓣琌璣羛üぇ肚参癸筁崔チ珹緿穝℡㎝皑ㄓ﹁ㄈ常玂帽靡纔磃翠ネのキ常籔硂ㄇ瓣產稡璣瓣Τ玡ó懦倒ぉ翠帽靡笿琌瞶┮讽礛璣瓣ョ琌稼瑆砰璶Θ帽靡拜肈癬盿繷ノ︳璸癸疭跋臔酚璣羛üのカ碭瓣產莉妓笿Τ瞏环種竡
盢瞒秨恨獀璶璣瓣ō玥獽糤瓣癸疭跋臔酚獺みㄏ翠┎のい瓣村弧ひ矗蔼狦は璝璣瓣膥尿"铬溉籖"穦ㄏ產胔好璣瓣琌癸翠蔼︑獀の疭跋臔酚粄┦獺み穝℡羆瞶ㄢる玡疭跋臔酚穝℡笴盢ぃノビ叫挂帽靡堡璣瓣ゼ穖ㄤ玡崔チ羘玡Τ┮∕﹚
璣瓣現┎羘羘璶蝴臔翠痲弧璶篴ま癶и粄程甧暗τ︽現㏑碞龟瞷碞琌荷е氮莱倒疭跋臔酚┮ΤΤ帽靡挂笴のそ稦翠恨獀κき璣瓣埃Τ瞷龟瞶パぇΤ笵竡砫ヴ硂妓暗は狦ささら临т虑"铬溉籖"硂或快τぃ琌⊿Τㄒㄆ常ぃ暗杠は筁ㄓ穦癸璣瓣痲Τはノ
畊ネи略朝勉矗某
Question on the motion proposed.
DR LEONG CHE-HUNG: Mr President, I rise to support the motion. In supporting the motion, I call on the British Government to give this privilege without delay. I call on the Hong Kong Government to express in no uncertain terms to Britain that granting visa-free entry into the United Kingdom is the least Britain can do to honour her commitments to Hong Kong people. There are many reasons for these:
(1) The majority of Hong Kong people who will acquire Hong Kong Special Administrative Region (SAR) passports are basically British subjects born in British soil.
(2) The holder of British Nationality (Overseas) (BNO) passports are undoubtedly British subjects. They, by a stroke of the pen, were demoted to the bottom rank of British citizenship.
(3) Portuguese subjects born in Macau some 40 miles from Hong Kong will have the right of entry and even work in the United Kingdom without any visa. Yet, Hong Kong born British subjects may have to face a different fate. All these make a mockery out of the word "British Passport" as stamped on the cover of the BNO passports.
Mr President, it therefore comes as no surprise that Members of this Council and the people of Hong Kong react in furor to the statement made on British subjects by the Foreign Secretary when he addressed this Council and I quote:
"What your question (on full British citizenship for the 3.5 million Hong Kong citizens) refers to was whether a right of citizenship which has not existed in the past should now be provided".
Mr President, Hong Kong is eagerly awaiting the United Kingdom Government's clarification on this statement. No reply has yet been forthcoming, but we will definitely press on.
Mr President, it is indeed an essential and honourable task for my honourable colleague, Mr Howard YOUNG, to move this motion today. It is equally honourable for our Governor to give this motion his full backing.
The fact remains, how successful could we be? What are the odds? It boils down to the question of how Britain values the people of Hong Kong; not just Hong Kong but the people of Hong Kong. How much value does the British Government attach to the honour of discharging its responsibility to Hong Kong people, who were once her subjects.
Fact speaks for itself. In 1990 when a Hong Kong Omelco delegation went to Westminister and Whitehall to lobby for British citizenship, not only were we faced with a stone wall, but to our dismay, there was a complete lack of understanding of what Hong Kong is, even amongst senior politicians and ministers. With some 26 war widows, the British Government is not even willing to bend her rules to offer them full British citizenship.
Mr President, a delegation of the Council will be visiting the United Kingdom soon to air to the British powers our concern and hopes in this transitional period. The topics that we will bring up, of course, include visa-free travel into the United Kingdom. Yet up till today, the response is cold, to say the least. Whilst we are still awaiting words from the Prime Minister, we have already been told that even the leader of the opposition party (Labour Party) has given us the flat refusal. Does it imply that he feels helpless as his is not the ruling party? Worse, does it imply that his party which may well be in the driving seat in the near future, does not want to enter into any controversial issue from Hong Kong to upset its current advantage with the British supporters? After all, Hong Kong is a non issue in the eyes of the British Government.
Mr President, if I have sounded overly pessimistic, it is because I am being pragmatic. Yet, I am not saying we do not have to fight. Yes, we have to keep on fighting, fighting for a right that ironically to many of us we were born with.
It borders on mockery when the British Government says it will lobby for visa-free entry for Hong Kong SAR and BNO passports from other countries, while she herself has remained completely non-committal.
霉睲某璓勉畊ネい璣蛮よセるら帽闽帽祇翠疭︽現跋臔酚非称穦某璶種癸盢ㄓ疭跋臔酚帽祇今龟借顶琿瞷禯瞒舦耴緇きκぱ癸翠ㄓ弧ōだ瓣膟の挂︑パА辨莉眔睲贰絋粄
翠瓣悔磕いみ︑パ竒蕾翠カチゐ斗眔現┎у獽︑パ瞒挂眖ㄆ坝穨笆笴痙厩の贝克单翠Τ璣瓣臔酚玡┕璣瓣のぃぶ瓣產莉帽靡挂笿妓璣瓣坝ョ翠︑パゐ斗翠現┎帽靡孔が磃が狦璣瓣現┎珿種螟い璣à膚絏が帽靡よぃ┯空穦╃ㄢ床硂妓㏕礛癸翠瓣悔禜盿ㄓ璽紇臫獺癸翠玡﹙瓣璣瓣ㄓ弧羘臕螟穦紇臫筃阶璣瓣羘嘿癸翠﹡チ玡硚籔︑パΤ笵竡砫ヴ
瞷Τ璣瓣瓣チ臔酚の璣瓣妮そチ臔酚翠Аゐ斗帽靡獽秈璣瓣のㄤ瓣產璣瓣現┎玡膥尿だу帽祇单臔酚琂礛翠匡拒玂痙单ōだ臔酚琌パ璣瓣┮甭舦帽祇单臔酚Τ膥尿矗ㄑ帽靡挂龟琌瞶┮讽礛
璣瓣現┎矪瞶疭跋臔酚帽靡拜肈ョよ侩靡借好翠ッ﹡チ﹚竡の祇疭跋臔酚诀闽癸玡拜肈い璣蛮よΤぃぶ醚翠ッ┦﹡痙獶地盖のΤ瓣臔酚瑈翠ōだ﹚﹟ゼ琌拜肈ぃ莱紇臫セ翠荡场だ﹡チ舦痲狦璣瓣倪┤盢ㄓ穦疭跋臔酚垒祇τΤ秖撮挂ず璣瓣現┎繦璹帽祇臔酚疭跋ョΤ砫ヴΜ硂ㄇ珿璣瓣ゐ斗┯踞ヴ︙繧
沮籇璣瓣踞み祇疭跋臔酚诀闽疭跋挂ㄆ叭矪ぃ瞶パ╈╈ㄆ龟翠璣現┎Θミ舱籹筿福て╰参祇臔酚玂靡盢穦笷蔼借の蔼м砃瓣悔キτ魁ョ穦荡癸玂盞い璣蛮よら笷Θ某い瓣玂靡疭跋挂ㄆ叭矪琌斑祇疭跋臔酚诀闽ㄤ龟蛮よ玡ΘミЧ到诀ㄏ场が菏诡糵璣瓣ョゐ斗τ臮納
璣瓣辨篴篗翠笵竡璣瓣ョ莱篯妓ㄏㄤ﹁よ瓣產ョ钡疭跋臔酚僚帽靡逼
畊ネセ略朝勉や某
㏄辩睶┥某璓勉畊ネ璶―璣瓣現┎癸翠疭︽現跋疭跋臔酚僚挂帽靡琌翠醚翠堡ぃ琌籔璣瓣玂或羛么τ琌璶蝴臔и-
瞷Τ笴よ獽
タ法У地某矗帽靡ぃ虫ゎよ獽翠安璶琌Τ犁坝そ稦る碞Τ禬筁13窾Ω钡玡┕璣瓣ぃ恨硂13窾Ω琌笴临琌暗ネ種癸璣瓣常穦盿ㄓ矪τ戳ョΤ畉ぃ26窾璣瓣Ωパ璣瓣ㄓ翠璣瓣驴岸穛ョ璣瓣翠砯Τ27货璣麻翠щ戈羆肂笷700货璣麻璣瓣僚疭跋臔酚帽靡癸璣瓣竒蕾祇甶礚好ョ穦Τ痲礚穕
璣瓣僚疭跋臔酚帽靡盿笆璣羛ü瓣產㎝稼幅瓣產僚疭跋臔酚帽靡疭跋現┎膀癸单笿σ納莱穦僚硂ㄇ瓣產臔酚Τ挂帽靡硂琌蛮よが逼璣瓣穦Τ"计"τぃ穦"籯┏"
璣瓣現┎癸帽靡筐好ぃ∕ㄤいσ納琌玂拜肈踞み疭跋現┎穦垒祇帽靡ョ踞み疭跋臔酚ň鞍キ筁и穦粄硂紐納琌Τㄇ笵瞶繦疭跋臔酚Α妓そガの璣砐地眔玂靡翠チ挂ㄆ叭矪穦琌斑帽祇疭跋臔酚诀篶硂紐納竒ぃ確璣瓣現┎狦ご"пп谰谰"癦ぃ瞷癸︑い瓣崩滤臔酚玂⊿Τ獺み
チ挂ㄆ叭矪矪辩皇把籔い璣羛羛蹈舱穦某ぃ琌翠┎ōだτ琌璣よ羛蹈舱笷Θ某р疭跋臔酚帽祇舦北翠硂逼琌眔璣瓣現┎や㎝古砛狦弧璣瓣現┎硈-
︑崩滤逼常⊿Τ獺み璣瓣現┎癦ぃ琌ウ琌︙单店鞍穦ず矗甅穦琌甅
は筁ㄓ弧狦璣瓣僚疭跋臔酚帽靡碞琌ノ龟悔︽笆癸翠糹︽ウ笵竡砫ヴゑぃ本娩┮孔酚臮翠痲龟磃
ㄆ龟и-
瞷ǎ疭跋臔酚帽祇祘だ腨玂毁赣靡ンそ獺產常フΤ絋玂帽祇筁祘腨北絋玂疭跋臔酚眔瓣碙и-
Τ荡癸瞶パ獺瞷現┎┪盢ㄓ現┎常ぃ穦暗Τ穕疭跋臔酚そ獺ㄆ薄
︓瞷璣瓣瓣チ臔酚琌弧ぃノ帽靡硂贺臔酚翠蛤妓翠琌⊿Τだ︓籔疭跋臔酚翠⊿Τだ-
常琌翠產иぃヴ︙瞶パ璶癸琌翠璶Τぃ癸
︓璣瓣よㄤ龟-
ㄏ僚疭跋臔酚帽靡ご礛Τ舦癸Τ瞶胔好蝶︳︓┶荡琵-
挂︑パ囊讽礛ぃ辨ǎ璣瓣垒ノ硂兜糵琩舦痙螟膟礚粄硂舦絋玂璣瓣挂玂ぃ穦帽靡τ穕
挪璣瓣癸禫玭差チ孩翠拜肈ぃ璽砫ヴ篈и-
ぃ癸璣瓣╆Τび戳辨ぃ筁и-
ご礛璶玃ㄏ璣瓣糹︽笵竡砫ヴ璶璣瓣硓筁龟悔︽笆陪ボ癸翠玡硚㎝兜筁寸逼獺み㎝港種
畊ネ璣瓣驴岸穛ㄓ翠戳丁纯セЫ眏秸僚疭跋臔酚帽靡ぃ琌膚絏иは種ǎи幢弧僚疭跋臔酚帽靡荡癸琌璣瓣も膚絏璣瓣穦種僚帽靡Ч∕い璣酵ぇい璣瓣琌笷-
┮璶兵ン㎝痲
畊ネセ略朝勉や某
糂紌某璓勉:畊ネи祇ēや法У地某某
翠琌︑パ跋и獺Τ贺︑パ癸翠常獶盽璶挂︑パ琌ㄤいぇぃ筁и癸法У地某祇ē盢︑パ㎝チ癸ミ︗竚Τㄇは稰и獺荡癸⊿Τ硂ゲ璶疭琌瞷Τ硂或厩Гそ渤畊иぃ辨毙旧粄チ㎝︑パ琌硂妓腨癸ミи獺產常秆痷タ︑パ程沧玂靡琌チ狦⊿Τチи-
酵︑パぃ筁礚阶︙畊ネи-
穦荷τ
иや法У地某某и谋眔璣瓣現┎荡癸Τ砫ヴぃ虫琵и-
莉眔帽靡笿硂或虏虫临璶タ辩醇翬某┮弧Τ砫ヴ倒ぉ翠350窾璣瓣そチ痷タ璣瓣瓣膟硂拜肈и-
琌ぃ穦斌辩某弧眔だタ絋и-
刮る璾璣辨籔璣瓣蔼糷穦癸-
弧翠紐納㎝み羘и-
辨翠眔璣瓣瓣膟竤ぶ计チ壁穦琍戳︽現Ы叫腀-
眔计-
紐納︑玡硚и-
ョ穦籔璣瓣現┎衡眀и-
穦ぃ度琌倒ぉ璣瓣瓣チ臔酚Τ僚帽靡琵盢ㄓ疭跋臔酚Τ僚帽靡
杠瘤畊ネи-
ぃ璶粇旧翠カチ璣瓣倒и-
帽靡疭跋臔酚獽讽礛狦璣瓣硂妓暗и獺癬ボ絛ノㄤ璣羛ü瓣產┪稼瑆砰瓣產穦τσ納倒ぉ疭跋臔酚僚帽靡ぃ筁翠緿快ヴ緗キネ计ぱ玡纯弧︑癸疭跋臔酚盢ㄓ⊿Τ或傍辨弧疭跋臔酚砆ㄤ瓣產钡诀穦ゑōだ靡临畉畊ネ獺笵瞷Τ瓣產琵Τōだ靡帽靡硂瓣產琌穝℡玭龙㎝玭獶璣瓣翠臔酚玱Τ81瓣產帽靡硂龟Τぱ腫ぇ沮и癘拘┮のい瓣臔酚Τ15瓣產帽靡τ硂15瓣產常ぃ琌翠盽よ
瞷拜肈琌ㄏ璣瓣倒ぉ疭跋臔酚Τ僚帽靡笿琌碞痷ボ穦ゴ秨疭跋臔酚帽靡и獺氮琌ゼゲぃ筁硂琌材˙璣瓣莱е今и-
辨璣瓣㎝い瓣現┎癬瓣產ウ-
盢ㄓ翠穦Τㄢ贺臔酚临Τōだ靡硂贺︽靡ン疭跋﹡チ穦Τ硂ㄇ靡ン笴ぇノウ-
琌璣瓣瓣チ臔酚疭跋臔酚㎝ōだ靡辨い璣現┎癬璶―瓣悔穦倒ぉ硂碭贺︽靡ンよ獽瞷璣瓣㎝い瓣現┎硂妓暗
Τ闽疭跋臔酚よ瞷硈或盢ㄓΤ戈烩临ゼ弧睲贰坝酵或琌い瓣そチ﹚竡い瓣常临ゼΤ﹚狦ゼ﹚﹚竡翠獽ぃэΤ闽挂猭ㄒ硂妓碞ぃ笵街琌い瓣そチ街ぃ琌い瓣そチ街琌盢ㄓ疭跋ッ﹡チ玂祔穦酵の硂ㄇ拜肈ウ-
琌璣瓣σ納倒ぉ疭跋臔酚帽靡毁锚ы┪硂﹚竡ぃΘ拜肈璶玂よ拜肈莉眔秆∕璣瓣獽Τì镑兵ン∕﹚倒疭跋臔酚帽靡
瞷﹟緇きκぱ丁祏い瓣㎝璣瓣現┎砛ぃ秆翠琌或礘納㎝踞みи-
挂︑パ穦ア畊ネи-
ゲ斗癘緗キネ纯弧疭跋臔酚钡祘耕ōだ靡临畉и-
辨い璣現┎荷秖暗ㄇㄆ筁祘荷е甶秨狦璣瓣倒疭跋臔酚帽靡杠︓ぶ碞ぃ穦倒絴礛ウ籔い瓣秈︽и辨い瓣腀種籔璣瓣現┎瓣弧硂ㄇ臔酚Τ莱ㄉΤ挂︑パ硂琌и-
堡︑パи-
ぃ稱ア
и粄カチぃ璶Τ或ほ稱狦ΤㄇカチΤ戈瞷ごゼ烩璣瓣瓣チ臔酚и粄-
莱︽烩穦耕玂繧ぃら疭跋臔酚薄猵穦琌妓иぃ琌ē羜钮狦辨膥尿玂痙挂︑パ碞莱荷е烩璣瓣瓣チ臔酚讽礛畊ネиフ瞷ê81瓣產倒ぉ翠Τ璣瓣瓣チ臔酚僚帽靡纔盢ㄓ穦Μ琌拜肈硂荡癸Τ苦い璣現┎贺︽靡ン秈︽村弧
и略朝勉や某
糂簙煌某璓勉畊ネい璣羛羛蹈舱ぃ玡碞帽祇疭跋臔酚非称帽穦某璶い璣蛮よ絋粄疭跋臔酚帽祇诀闽帽祇祘の絋玂籹だ祇铆Тの靡Τ闽兵ン︓璣よ矗ň鞍拜肈の踞み帽祇祘Τ簗瑌τま璓垒祇单拜肈Аぃ確璣瓣現┎礚瞶パ╈┑倒ぉ疭跋臔酚帽靡笿
框狙のぃ秆琌璣瓣驴岸穛ご礛р璣瓣琌癸疭跋臔酚帽靡∕﹚拜肈崩ゼㄓㄢるセ粄硂贺╈┑琌禣秆狦璣瓣粄疭跋臔酚临琘ㄇ拜肈碞莱絋いよ矗玃ㄏいよ荷е秆∕璣よ穨碞疭跋臔酚籹ň鞍帽祇诀闽籔祘の靡兵ン笷Θ醚癸疭跋臔酚矗ぃ或ㄤ瞶パ薄猵临璶癸琌∕﹚帽靡秈︽╈┑硂碞借好璣よ琌Τ港種翠龟瞷︑パㄓ┕よ獽
畊ネ璣瓣現┎竒盽弧癸翠璽Τ"笵竡砫ヴ"セ腀硂獶"磃τ龟ぃ︓"店ēㄤ龟癸疭跋臔酚帽靡逼癸璣瓣ㄓ弧琌羭もぇ骋猵が帽靡琌贺が磃が逼璣瓣璝倒ぉ疭跋臔酚帽靡笿沮癸单玥璣膟盢ㄓ秈翠眔单笿璣瓣翠㎝い瓣ごΤエ竒禩痲璣膟ご斗翠竒坝笴㎝そ稦安璝璣瓣ぃぉ疭跋臔酚帽靡笿癸单笿玥疭跋ョ璶―璣膟ㄓ翠璶ビ叫帽靡
畊ネ礚阶眖笵竡砫ヴㄓ临琌眖が磃が玥ㄓ璣瓣現┎常Τゲ璶荷е癸疭跋臔酚帽靡∕﹚讽礛璶膥尿Τ璣瓣瓣チ臔酚翠﹡チ矗ㄑ妓笿璣瓣現┎玱︓さご蹦╈┑篈ず爱孔汲癵瞒
セ翠Τ林阶璣瓣琌璶р癸疭跋臔酚帽靡贺膚絏ㄤ拜肈籔いよ癚基临基セ腀林阶硂贺储代琌贺粇秆璣瓣現┎莱ぃ璓璶翠膀セ舦痲贺ユ膚絏癚基临基传璣瓣ㄤ痲êメ羪璣瓣琌癸疭跋臔酚帽靡癸璣羛ü瓣產㎝稼砰Τ钡紇臫セ粄璣瓣現┎莱荷е祇羘碞翠帽靡秈璣瓣Τ闽逼
畊ネセ略朝勉や某
︙玊く某璓勉畊ネ碞疭跋臔酚拜肈い璣蛮よ絉坝╈╈┰┰酵︓セるるΤ瘆┦祇甶い璣碞硂拜肈笷Θ某瘤礛琌筐翴翠ご礛璶τ稰蔼砍˙碞琌璶疭跋臔酚碝―程瓣產帽靡纔磃の秆∕翠ッ┦﹡チōだ﹚竡拜肈秅翠緿快ヴ緗キネ弧疭跋臔酚莉眔帽靡纔磃ぃ穦ゑōだ靡CIи-
谋眔籔ㄤ硂贺磀芠箇代ぃ暗翴龟ㄆㄤ瓣產縩伐が帽靡纔磃
ㄤ瓣產崩ざ疭跋臔酚程Τ材˙碞琌璶璣瓣盿繷倒ぉ疭跋臔酚帽靡纔磃羭笆癸疭跋臔酚玡硚Τ獶盽紇臫璣瓣琌璣羛üぇ肚参癸筁崔チ常玂帽靡纔磃翠竒蕾祇甶㎝キ碭常稡硂ㄇ璣羛ü瓣產璣瓣Τㄒ穿倒ぉ翠帽靡笿琌瞶┮讽礛
璣瓣盢穦琌翠玡﹙瓣瞶阶璣瓣程秆翠薄猵狦璣瓣ぃ倒ぉ疭跋臔酚帽靡纔磃玥琌そ秨疭跋臔酚ぃ獺硂盢穦琌伐胊癟ㄤ瓣產﹚穦把σ璣瓣暗猭璣瓣ョ琌稼瑆砰璶Θ帽靡拜肈癬盿繷ノ︳璸癸疭跋臔酚ㄤ璣羛üのカ计產莉眔妓笿Τ伐瞏环種竡и-
礚種筁眏秸璣瓣硂よ穦癬∕﹚┦ノぃ莱︳璣瓣現┎硂よ┮祇揣紇臫и-
辨璣瓣瞒秨翠玡翠ㄆㄇチ囊粄倒ぉ翠疭跋臔酚帽靡纔磃碞琌璣瓣絛瞅ず程暗ㄆㄓ糹︽癸翠チ笵竡砫ヴ
璣瓣現┎ぇ┮σ納沮籇琌璣瓣現┎┤い瓣現┎穦垒祇疭跋臔酚┪帽祇臔酚⊿Τì镑玂砞琁い瓣帽祇臔酚よ祘琌腨龟眔產闽み疭琌程瞷產闽み"霉紈ムㄆン"ㄏ踞みΤ瞷垒祇臔酚薄猵
瞷疭跋臔酚帽祇祘絛瞅ぇず臮の硂拜肈ㄌチ挂ㄆ叭矪﹛ミ猭Ы秆睦疭跋臔酚盢パ翠疭︽現跋現┎珹赣矪璽砫糵癸の帽祇ㄤい瓣緉诀篶程琌璽砫盢ビ叫ゅン癳┕翠㎝盢パ翠帽祇臔酚癳ユビ叫も传杠弧Τ翠チ挂ㄆ叭矪Τ舦Τフ臔酚の磝搐盢酚の戈フ臔酚м砃龟悔τē疭跋臔酚帽祇Ч琌パ翠疭︽現跋現┎璽砫ぃ竒ㄤも讽礛и-
辨い瓣現┎镑そ秨翠カチガ硂琌い瓣現┎癸疭跋臔酚帽祇祘現郸
瓃暗猭琌玂靡い瓣現┎盢龟借臔酚帽祇舦甭ぉ疭︽現跋挂矪瓣現┎ㄤ龟惠盢硂ンㄆΘ翠疭︽現跋ㄆㄤ龟籔瞷暗猭琌璓τぃゲ癸い瓣瞷ㄇ薄猵Τ筁紐納и-
辨硂妓镑ㄏ璣瓣現┎荷Νタ絋∕﹚倒ぉ疭跋臔酚帽靡癸
ㄤ龟い瓣現┎の翠暗ち暗ㄆ玂靡疭跋臔酚帽祇祘腨盞Т到璣瓣現┎龟⊿Τ瞶パ甡┤疭跋臔酚垒祇τ┶荡倒ぉ翠帽靡纔磃癸
セ略朝勉チ囊や某
眎簙┚某璓勉畊ネ疭跋臔酚拜肈琌翠程闽み筁寸拜肈ぇㄤいΤ闽臔酚Α妓帽祇祘の籔ㄤ瓣產が帽靡逼常ま癬ぃぶ癚阶穝℡瞯ボ穝℡籔翠Τ盞ち羛么玂ㄢチ︑パだ璶穝℡現┎腀種倒ぉ疭跋臔酚Τ帽靡逼穝℡Θそ秨ボΤ種僚疭跋臔酚帽靡瓣產框狙琌恨獀翠κ籔翠Τ盞ち闽玒璣瓣玱﹍沧ゼ┯空盿繷倒ぉ疭跋臔酚帽靡挂
沮翠┎戈るらΤ550窾Τ戈ビ烩疭跋臔酚る︓る戳丁Τ227 000セ︽靡ンΤ戳穦ず骸ㄤい珹47 000セ璣瓣瓣チ臔酚の180 000セōだ靡硂ㄇ靡ンΤ常惠ビ叫疭跋臔酚荷е坚睲Τ闽疭跋臔酚兜拜肈琌ゲ惠
チ羛粄翠┎莱矗Ν帽祇疭跋臔酚㎝︽靡ン疭跋臔酚莉瓣僚帽靡ㄆ﹜縩伐矗ㄑ㎝よ獽絋玂璣瓣瓣チ臔酚の疭跋臔酚Τ莉眔璣瓣僚帽靡
璣瓣︓さ常⊿Τ絋ボ疭跋臔酚莉眔僚帽靡瞶パ琌疭跋臔酚帽祇祘ゼ睲贰珹臔酚ň鞍惫琁臔酚穦垒祇のご斗絋﹚翠ッ﹡チōだ﹚竡单瞶パ框狙
ㄤ龟硂ㄇ拜肈А秆∕璣瓣驴岸穛さるㄊ砐拜い璣蛮よㄤるら帽闽帽祇翠疭︽現跋臔酚非称穦某璶笷Θ17兜教秆の醚碞瓃拜肈叭龟逼い瓣現┎盢甭舦疭跋現┎ㄌ猭倒Τ疭跋ッ┦﹡チōだ靡い瓣そチ帽祇疭跋臔酚疭跋臔酚帽祇诀闽盢疭跋挂ㄆ叭矪セ翠挂矪盢祇甶甅琂玂腨盞τ縒礚筿福て帽祇靡ン㎝玂魁╰参獽ゴ戈р酚计絏てい璣蛮よ璹ミ╰︽現惫琁ì玂毁ň鞍㎝垒祇拜肈ぃ穦瞷︓絋﹚翠ッ﹡チōだ﹚竡沮膀セ猭材κき兵兵ゅ睲贰糶疭跋臔酚Τ疭跋珿璣瓣筐筐ぃ癸僚帽靡篈虑琌ぃΘミ
畊ネ矗臔酚僚帽靡笿常穦矗の"癸单"拜肈"癸单"玥そキㄤ龟琌荡癸︽ぃ硄翠竒盽玡┕︽瓣產讽い砛挂帽靡よ眖ㄓ常⊿Τ蛤翠Τ"癸单現郸"ヘ玡翠﹡チ璣瓣瓣チ臔酚瓣らセ緿瑆の计﹁稼瓣產常璶快瞶帽靡τ硂ㄇ瓣產そチㄓセ翠玱帽靡硆痙る┪る狦璶龟︽癸单玥硂ㄇ瓣產帽靡秈舦盢穦紇臫翠瓣悔常穦禜のゴ阑笴穨獺穦は癸∕﹚癸瓣そチ挂糴候翠現┎σ納獺璶ぃ琌癸よ現┎Τ⊿Τ倒ぉ翠﹡チ挂よ獽τ琌赣瓣そチ挂癸翠Τ⊿Τ矪硂拜肈莱眖翠俱砰痲祇叭龟篈矪瞶ㄒ-
竒蕾妓-
ㄓ翠ヘ琌或琌﹚ㄌ戳-
﹡硂ㄇ拜肈ゑ僚帽靡"癸单"璶
セ翠瓣悔竒蕾いみ璶蝴瓣悔常カ︗舧瓣ㄓ翠竒坝笴┮ゲ斗Τ铆﹚┑尿現郸狦蠢疭跋臔酚瓣帽靡挂龟︽"癸单玥"穦穕甡翠瓣悔禜穕甡瓣癸翠獺み挡狦穦続眔ㄤは
畊ネ璣瓣翠恨獀κ筁Τ菌蝶基и璣瓣痙厩戳丁ǎぃぶ現ē阶矗璣瓣穦褐瞷羬瘆玻崔チΜ痲ぃやセ穦褐璣瓣ㄤ崔チチチ籌琌ぃㄆ龟篗瞒硑Θだてㄒ盢跑さらぺ膀吹㈱㎝﹕┰疩笷螟チ奸皑ㄓ﹁ㄈだ吊ㄓ穝℡常琌璣瓣篗瞒崔チㄨ種籹硑и-
ぃ辨翠簍翠さぱΘ狦埃琌パ对灸翠絣硑临ぱ㎝礚粄璣瓣倒ぉ翠穦穝℡現┎そ秨ボΤ種僚疭跋臔酚帽靡ㄤ瞶パぇ琌籔セ翠闽玒盞ち璣瓣恨獀翠κ籔セ翠闽玒盞ちご筐筐ゼ┯空盿繷倒ぉ疭跋臔酚僚帽靡螟稰框狙の稼瑆砰のㄤ瓣產獺み
翠ぃ璶―或τ―よ獽璶琌み瞶璣瓣癸翠Τκ稰薄龟Τ笵竡砫ヴ┯踞磃τぃ龟店鞍瞷и-
谋眔癸ㄆ薄礚腊
畊ネ璣瓣眏秸璶篴砰篗癶盿繷倒ぉ疭跋臔酚Τ僚帽靡盢穦倒翠痙▆禜ㄤ篴篗癶痙︹眒
畊ネи略朝勉チ羛や硂兜某
郭Θ某璓勉畊ネ瞷禯瞒舦簿ユ逞きκぱ璣瓣現┎ご筐筐ゼ┯空倒ぉ疭跋臔酚帽靡ㄏ耕Ν玡い璣蛮よ帽竝璶ゅセ碞Τ闽帽祇疭跋臔酚璶拜肈笷Θ某璣よボご璶碞琌僚翠帽靡拜肈σ納
璣よ┑粇の礢好盢紇臫瓣癸僚疭跋臔酚帽靡∕﹚璣瓣セō妮璣羛üぇ琌稼瑆砰璶Θ璣瓣∕﹚讽祘穦紇臫璣羛üのカ碭瓣產癸疭跋臔酚笿璣瓣参獀セ翠κき﹙瓣莱赣盿繷︽材˙琵ㄤ瓣產秆疭跋臔酚琌眔獺苦╯澈璣瓣現┎︙Ω崩砫ヴよ┯空セ翠キ铆筁寸よ玱磃τ龟ぃ︓
璣瓣現┎┮踞み琌ㄇм砃┦拜肈珹
臔酚籹筁祘玂惫琁
臔酚ň鞍祘
帽祇臔酚翴の
街Τ戈烩臔酚
ㄇ稼幅の单瓣產ョ纯癸拜肈ボ闽猔τ硂ㄇ拜肈盢穦σ納琌倒ぉ翠帽靡翴礛τ┮瓃兜拜肈耕Ν玡い璣帽竝璶ゅセ眔氮帽祇翠疭︽現跋臔酚非称穦某璶い絋ミ翠チ挂ㄆ叭矪Θ疭跋臔酚斑帽祇诀篶いよ璽砫籹フ疭跋臔酚τるら癬挂矪盢琌璹フ疭跋臔酚诀篶传杠弧疭跋挂矪盢Θ斑璹フ疭跋臔酚癸戈のゴ戈臔酚诀篶珿ぃ┮弧材兜拜肈或よ帽祇臔酚拜肈籔璶ゅセ璣瓣ョ┯粄疭跋臔酚籹玂の祇祘才瓣悔璶―珿材の材兜拜肈ョτ秆
逞ㄓ琌街Τ戈烩臔酚拜肈戳瞷"霉紈ムㄆン"螟踞み盢ㄓΤ咎舦墩┪闽玒τ眔疭跋臔酚タ瓃┮矗の狦俱帽祇臔酚逼琌パ疭跋璽砫┮帽祇臔酚莱穦辅Ч才戈も璣よ┮踞み琌い瓣緉烩ㄆ繻Τ舦祇疭跋臔酚拜肈セ粄い璣翠よ莱秈˙絉坝冈灿逼絋玂い瓣緉烩ㄆ繻┮祇疭跋臔酚ゲ斗パ翠疭︽現跋挂矪秈︽帽絋粄┪籠も尿絋玂らぃ穦瞷臔酚"垒祇"薄猵
ê或琂礛м砃┦瞶パぃΘミ琌或旧璓璣瓣︓さご礛ノ"╈"砕╈┑┯空倒ぉ疭跋臔酚Τ帽靡挂逼㎡癌Τ璣瓣稱い瓣の翠量弧杠"さΩ琌Τ―и"硂妓暗璶笷或ヘ㎡琌璶糤璣瓣酵セ窥籔い瓣Τ┮ユ传
璣瓣暗猭龟悔琌贺"蔼ㄓ芥"暗猭τ狦琌"穕ぃ"癸翠┮紇臫ぃ虫ゎ琌玠畓疭跋﹡チ挂の︽︑パョ紇臫セ笴穨の坝穨祇甶
狦疭跋臔酚眔ぃ璣瓣帽靡逼ョ盢紇臫ㄤ瓣產癸疭跋臔酚獺苦硂瞷禜玱琌籔璣瓣"篴ま癶"瓣郸笻璉
は璣瓣現┎莱赣蹦"が磃が"瓣郸眖硉┯空僚疭跋臔酚帽靡逼よ翠玂竒蕾膙疭跋﹡チ蔼ㄉ瞷局Τ挂の︽︑パよ璣瓣瓣悔絋ミタ禜Τ篴ま癶
セ略朝勉や某
MR DAVID CHU: Mr President, some of us in Hong Kong are too polite to point out the obvious, which is, British promises of moral responsibility cannot be taken literally. There is no better proof of that than the whole issue about nationality and passports.
We remember that back in 1981 the United Kingdom adopted the Nationality Act which deprived 2.5 million of our residents their British citizenship. I personally do not blame the British for protecting their perceived national interests which include closing the door on most of us. I also do not blame the British for returning 50 000 full passports to those of our people who can cause an economic boom wherever they settle because that too is in their national interests. What I object to is for some British leaders repeatedly telling us that they are morally obligated to us and yet do things inconsistent with their vows. I think that kind of behaviour insults our intelligence.
Some legislators have high expectations of British and that is why they are constantly frustrated by what it does. I am realistic and do not ask for what is unattainable. All I want from Britain is to keep Mr Malcolm RIFKIND's promise to put the Special Administrative Region (SAR) passport matter at the top of his foreign policy agenda.
I believe it costs Britain nothing to grant SAR passport holders visa free entry into the United Kingdom. We as a people have a proud record of not being unruly guests in other countries. The British Government says it may be difficult to persuade its ethnic Indians and Caribbeans that the Hong Kong case is special. I find that argument disingenuous because our present and future relationship with Britain is unique and Mr RIFKIND told us so when he recently visited. Britain, the departing sovereign, can do much to set an example for other countries, particularly those in the Commonwealth, to afford SAR passports due recognition.
With these comments, Mr President, I support the motion.
MISS CHRISTINE LOH: Mr President, I was very happy to hear on the 10th of this month of that Britain and Hong Kong had agreed on the preparation for the issue of the SAR passport with China, and on a scheme to issue the passports to eligible applicants from 1 July 1997.
This means that we have taken a significant step forward to ensure Hong Kong people's future travel convenience overseas. The established security procedures for the issuance of the SAR passport appear to be satisfactory. I assume Britain finds the security arrangements entirely satisfactory since it had a hand in formulating and agreeing to them. As for third countries, the initial response on the security and quality of the passport is also encouraging.
As for eligibility, this important question is of course still unsettled. The Director of Immigration informed this Council that details of eligibility criteria are still under discussion at the JLG, although he expected the majority of Hong Kong permanent residents who are ethnic Chinese will be eligible. The reason for the delay is that China has yet to decide on exactly who qualifies as a Chinese national.
Until this matter is finally settled, I doubt any country, perhaps even including Britain, would decide on granting SAR passport holders visa-free privileges. Furthermore, there may be doubts in the minds of third countries whether political pressure may be applied on the SAR Government to grant Chinese nationals SAR passports to which they are not legally entitled. I agree therefore with the Honourable Bruce LIU that there may be this fear precisely because of the case of Mr LO Tak-sing who somehow obtained a Chinese passport, where it was previously thought that Hong Kong residents were not entitled to them.
Beyond the issues of security and entitlement, there is of course the issue of the political environment after 1997. Some countries have already said that while they would like to consider positively the granting of visa-free privileges to SAR passport holders, they would have to first see the political situation here post-1997.
Well, Mr President, you may recall that last November, a number of British businessmen were detained for up to nine hours at the Hong Kong-China border and fined Hong Kong $500 each for not having visas to enter China. It appeared that the issuing of temporary visas had been cancelled by China without prior notice. The cancellation was due to Britain having earlier cancelled granting transit visas to Chinese nationals.
I made some enquires with the Foreign and Commonwealth Office as to the reasons for Britain cancelling granting transit visas, obtainable upon arrival in Britain, to Chinese nationals. I am told that the Home Office's view was that the action had been taken to prevent abuse. I am further told that the "abuse" in question concerned a rapid increase in asylum applications after the transit visa arrangements were put in place.
Taking that as an example, third countries may wish to wait to decide whether to grant SAR passport holders visa-free privileges when they are better able to make an assessment of the political environment here in the future. It may be sobering for us to note that no less a figure than the Director of the Hong Kong and Macau Affairs Office said recently that realistically, he did not expect all the countries which grant BNO passport holders visa-free entry at present to grant the same privilege to SAR passport holders.
Mr President, China's action will have everything to do with Hong Kong's future political environment. If China shows great restraint, and respect Hong Kong's autonomy, then I am sure, Hong Kong people will want to stay in this city which they love so very much. There will be no question of people seeking asylum overseas.
As far as Britain is concerned, since the British Government continues to tell us that it has the greatest confidence in China honouring the Joint Declaration, it should have no problems to be the first to grant SAR and BNO passport holders visa-free access to the United Kingdom after 1997.
In this regard, I fully support the motion. I must also commend the Immigration Department for their planning and their foresight to have been able to put forward an excellent plan and seeking of finance for putting in place the proposal to issue SAR passport after 1997. To end, Mr President, I would just like to add that I concur entirely with the Honourable Dr LEONG Che-hung and the Honourable Miss Emily LAU in plugging at British nationality for all Hong Kong-British subjects and I agree rarely with Mr David CHU but on this occasion. I agree with him entirely that Britain is hypocritical and I am entirely sorry that over the years while Britain tells us that she intends to honour her moral commitment, she has never actually bothered to do very much about it.
I am particularly concerned about the plight of the ethnic minorities. I was extremely upset with Mr Malcolm RIFKIND, the Secretary for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs, when he was here before this Council for not being willing to confirm that there is a world of difference between the ethnic minorities having just the right of abode in Hong Kong after 1997 and having full nationality. I think this is something that we still need to thrash out in February and I am sure we will want to put this at the top of our agenda.
There is one issue. Mr President, I am told by the ethnic minorities that the Government is now making enquiries as to whether they know an accurate number of the people concerned. I must say, Mr President, it is very difficult to ask non-governmental organizations to really come up with an accurate figure. I am sure, of course, the Government does not want to grant ethic minorities British nationality and then to find that the number is very much greater than they have estimated. The number at present, Mr President, is estimated by them to be somewhere between 3 000 and 4 000. But surely the Immigration Department is in a much better position to go through their records to find out what that number may be, and therefore I urge the Government to spare no effort to find out what that number is, and for the Hong Kong Government including the Governor and Members of the Executive Council, to also put a very strong united front position to the British Government.
Thank you, Mr President.
糂胺祸某璓勉畊ネ翠琌瓣悔┦竒蕾禩㎝磕いみτ–笴のそ稦翠计ぃ耞ど瞷荡场だΤ︽靡ン翠常琌局Τ翠璣膟臔酚-
ㄉΤ瓣產帽靡笿
帽靡ぃよ獽-
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硂筁寸戳丁璣瓣現┎纯Ωボ癸翠祇甶骸獺み或竒蕾祇甶﹚羉篴单硂ㄇ笆钮ē迭翠φ剪冈瞷翠┮辨琌龟悔︽笆τぃ琌腞晾ē荷е倒ぉ疭跋臔酚帽靡笿硂琌ちち龟龟璣瓣癸翠獺み玂靡
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и眏秸さぱ翠ぃ琌―璣瓣現┎倒帽靡笿τ琌辨い璣現┎がが磃薄猵笷Θ帽靡逼セや法У地某某
糕蚌┚某璓勉畊ネさぱ硂兜某臛阶и绊獺穦眔场だ︓场某硄筁㎝やㄆ龟Τ︙ノ產常みいΤ计и穦碞硂拜肈矗ㄇミ初㎝猭
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ゲ斗候癘┕ㄓ弧璣瓣Τ砫ヴ酚臮350窾翠ネ┪耴て璣膟翠︑眖せだ计兜兵ㄒ翠翴舦痲⊿Τ眖硂よ產璣瓣現┎絋龟琌"瓣悔現獀疻"硂琌そ粄瘤礛癸иノ硂泊ぃ蔼砍"疻"琌ボΤ竒喷㎝禕τ獶產眔ρ碿い瓣現┎шρ璣瓣琌疻ガ現ぃ琌ぃ尺舧钮硂贺у蝶
璣瓣竒恨獀翠κき礚粄и-
ゲ斗猋洁璣瓣現┎倒ぉ翠疭猭よ翠︑パ祇揣琌︑拦焊ひㄊ種盢翠ち舦ユ临い瓣и-
璣瓣よ祇"翠""翠"ē阶场常琌安產ミ猭Ыセ筁寸︓琌パ羆服ぇ璹┮孔舦猭旧璓さぱミ猭Ы某せるら璶场"辅ó"珹畊ネず讽畊临琌ゼぇ计眖硂ンㄆǎ璣瓣ㄆ龟琌荡癸ぃ璽砫ヴ
︓翠現┎ミ初︙㎡翠現┎琌钡恨瞶翠ちΤ闽獀㎝竒蕾单ㄆ叭程璣瓣澈礛盢禫玭差チ拜肈ち砫ヴ崩倒翠現┎┮硂拜肈翠現┎︑莱Τ砫ヴ笷種ǎぃちヴパ璣瓣逼碞疭跋臔酚硂拜肈現┎Τ砫ヴ睲捶笷︙翠ㄤ瓣產
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и钮Χギ棚某弧ぃ穦у蝶璣瓣璣瓣琌︑痲硂琌瞶秆и笵Χギ棚某︑局Τ琌瓣臔酚瘤礛羘穦рウメ奔狦ΤΤ臔酚τ翠ㄒи玥Τōだ靡硂┦獽ぃそキ
畊ネ翠莱︙癸硂拜肈и猭琌程璶琌產︑璶倒︑獺み︑ミ︑兵ンΤㄇ某弧產莱赣ゼㄓ籔癸к琌ぃ莱赣и猭玥荡癸ぃ琌硂妓и-
︑ミ︑竒蕾兵ンぇ緇临璶单笿狦瓣產ぃ倒и-
帽靡и-
癸ウ-
妓σ納弧ぃ﹚ΤぱиΤ诀穦ㄣΤ紇臫杠и穦眎硂妓矗某碞琌翠︑璶癸︑Τ獺み︑︑稲稲狦ㄤ瓣產ぃ琵и-
︑靡ン挂и-
碞璶临
瞷璣瓣の璣羛ü靡ンㄓ翠ぃ挂τ临и-
êㄇ瓣產笴贝克┪窥-
瞷ㄓ翠寥窥┮и粄⊿Τ拜肈盢ㄓ璶и-
硂妓暗猭街穕ア耕㎡タи┮弧狦︑⊿Τ竒蕾兵ン杠獽⊿Τ戈癸кよΑ蛤舦痲ミ猭Ы某妓囊︑礛矗ヴ︙拜肈琁贺溃
畊ネи荡癸や硂兜某
讲蚌某璓勉畊ネ翠琌瓣悔︑パ翠翠ㄉЧ挂︑パ翠讽Ы帽祇︽靡ン疭琌璣膟臔酚眔瓣產帽靡挂笿珿翠よ獽眖坝痙厩の笴τ癸崩笆翠竒禩笆Τ腊
翠耴い瓣荡场だ翠い瓣そチ盢穦Τ疭跋臔酚τ盢ごΤ计ぃぶ翠Τ璣瓣瓣チ臔酚ㄤ︽靡ン
璣瓣瓣チ臔酚琂礛琌璣瓣現┎甭舦帽祇︽靡ン璣瓣癸Τ硂兜靡ン倒ぉ帽靡挂笿琌瞶┮讽礛砫礚禪狦ぃ琌硂妓璣瓣現┎︙镑弧狝ㄤ瓣產倒ぉ璣瓣瓣チ臔酚Τ帽靡挂笿㎡
︓癸盢ㄓ疭跋臔酚Τ璣瓣現┎莱Τ笵竡倒ぉㄤ帽靡挂笿ヘ玡璣瓣現┎羘羘弧闽み翠﹡チ玡硚の︑パ狦璣瓣ぃ盿繷倒ぉ疭跋臔酚Τ帽靡挂笿妓躬纘ㄤ瓣產疭琌稼瓣蹦妓惫琁㎡璝ぃ琌硂妓璣瓣現┎┮量砫ヴ癦ぃ琌晾ē盾и-
辨硂拜肈ぃ莱い璣╉τ筐筐ぃ秆∕ヘ玡いよ碞盢ㄓ疭跋臔酚籹蹦讽腨略よ猭τらい璣蛮よ碞帽祇翠疭跋臔酚逼笷Θ某絋粄Τ翠疭︽現跋挂ㄆ叭矪帽祇疭跋臔酚硂Τ瓣癸疭跋臔酚獺みセ瞏ち辨い璣蛮よ荷е碞翠ッ﹡チ﹚竡笷Θ某τ璣瓣ョ莱瞯┯空倒ぉ臔酚Τ帽靡挂笿い瓣瓣崩ざ臔酚
畊ネセ略朝勉や某
肅繟某璓勉畊ネ︗ㄆセ癸璣瓣︓さご礛ぃ倒ぉ翠疭跋臔酚Τ僚挂帽靡ボぃ骸㎝框狙
チ羛癸璣瓣矪瞶翠疭跋臔酚篈㎝ミ初竒パ眎簙┚某睲贰笷セ略干種ǎ
璣瓣眏秸倒ぉ翠疭跋臔酚僚挂帽靡ぇ玡惠璶い瓣坚睲疭跋臔酚Τビ烩戈㎝臔酚ネ玻籹硑祘и-
А秆疭跋臔酚Τ戈膀セ猭いΤ睲捶兵ゅ砏﹚膀セ猭ョそガ安璣瓣癸Τ闽逼㎝Τ戈Τヴ︙好拜杠硓筁い璣羛羛蹈舱矪瞶τぃ莱虑╈┑崩砫ヴ
瞷璣瓣琌恨獀翠翠ビ烩璣瓣瓣チ臔酚秈璣瓣τ礚斗快瞶挂帽靡瘤礛るら癬翠﹙瓣琌い瓣ㄏノ翠疭跋臔酚㎝瞷ㄏノ璣瓣瓣チ臔酚琌ぃ穦Τ畉い璣ㄢ瓣ユ龟螟フ璣瓣︙掇╈┑┪┶荡膥尿倒ぉㄏノ翠疭跋臔酚翠僚挂帽靡
翠瞷琌瓣悔常カ琌┦磕癩竒禩戈癟㎝硄癟いみ伐ㄤ璶㎝跌﹚︗翠羉篴祇甶癸瓣悔丁Τ﹚紇臫翠璣瓣矗ㄑ僚挂帽靡┮瞷そ稦秈㎝安单常ㄉㄇよ獽㎝纔磃ぃぶ翠瓣Τ克杯狟ねぃぶ翠簿チ珿挂︑パよ獽㎝抖篫癸翠ㄓ弧琌ゲ惠ぃ┪
τㄆ龟璣瓣セō局Τぃぶ翠簿チ–ョΤぃぶ翠玡┕璣瓣弄笴㎝竒坝┮璣瓣镑瞯倒ぉ疭跋臔酚Τ僚挂帽靡穦膥尿綿㏕翠瓣悔禜眏瓣悔癸翠獺み
︓臔酚ネ玻籹硑祘よい瓣現┎睲贰籹筁祘琌秈мㄓネ玻眏秸穦稸篈矪瞶臔酚玂い瓣現┎盢臔酚妓セそ秨甶ボョ盢妓セ癳ユ璣瓣現┎把σ璣よ盡產┯粄疭跋臔酚琌セ蔼珇借臔酚м砃笷瑈キ︓禬筁ヘ玡璣瓣瓣チ臔酚㎝い瓣そチ臔酚璣瓣嘿苂疭跋臔酚ň鞍夹非伐蔼︓ら帽祇臔酚诀篶瞷璽砫矪瞶璣瓣臔酚チ挂ㄆ叭矪璣瓣龟ぃ癸场快ㄆ㎝よΑΤ┮借好
セ粄璣瓣龟⊿Τゲ璶╈┑┪贺瞶パㄓ螟倒ぉ翠疭跋臔酚Τ僚挂帽靡崩ㄤ癸翠莱Τ笵竡砫ヴ程セビ璣瓣現┎ゲ斗倒ぉ翠疭跋臔酚Τ僚挂帽靡玂靡翠キ铆筁寸㎝羉篴谅谅畊ネ
襖略ビ某璓勉畊ネチ囊Чや法У地某某и-
粄璣瓣荡癸莱赣盿繷倒ぉ翠盢ㄓ疭︽現跋臔酚帽靡笿
い璣羛羘矗璣瓣筁寸戳砫ヴ琌璶絋玂翠羉篴﹚τ璣瓣桂Ω眏秸弧璶硓筁硂羛羘玂靡盢ㄓ翠ㄉΤ蔼︑獀の瞷舦ネよΑ单よ镑┑尿狦瞷璣瓣弧ぃ倒ぉ疭跋臔酚帽靡琌甡┤盢ㄓ穦Τ秖疭跋﹡チ撮璣瓣硂或㎡琌ボ羛羘┮絋玂┯空穦辅临琌êㄇ兵ゅセぃ絋玂翠羉篴﹚眔┑尿и粄璣瓣ゲ斗盿繷暗ㄇㄆ薄ㄤ瓣產莱癸硂セ疭跋臔酚ぉ糴肞矪瞶
程い璣蛮よ碞疭跋臔酚帽祇逼笷Θ某癸翠ㄓ弧硂琌眔舧程絋玂琌秨﹍皌盢ㄓ祇靡㎝帽靡单逼辨荷秖暗眔τ硂穦某璶﹚碭翴и-
谋眔琌タ
ウ絋﹚盢ㄓ疭跋臔酚帽祇戈斑纗琌翠硂絫珿疭跋臔酚у舦絋龟琌翠讽いΤㄇ兵ゅぃび睲捶セЫ玂ㄆ叭〆穦翠現┎坚睲讽拜肈Τ闽い瓣緉ㄏ繻盢ㄓΤ舦舦帽祇臔酚硂拜肈и-
眖翠現┎┮眔瞶秆穦某璶い┮弧い瓣緉ㄏ繻┮孔帽祇疭跋臔酚ㄤ龟琌よ獽翠盢ㄓッ┦﹡チ笴狦框ア┪贺贺絫珿干烩臔酚俱祘龟悔琌パ緉ㄏ繻┪快诀篶盢┮Τ戈礚阶琌硓筁笲┪肚痷癳翠挂矪竒赣矪浪琩уフ臔酚ず更êㄇ戈礛盚Τ闽緉ㄏ繻传杠弧ㄤ龟緉ㄏ繻ぃ筁琌ш簍肚à︹琌盢疭跋臔酚患ユ倒ビ叫τぃ琌ê秈︽┮Τ祘
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耕Ν玡霉紈ムネ眔い瓣臔酚ㄆンのΤ厨旧い瓣現┎称Τぃ秈い瓣挂ず堵虫炳ㄇу蝶い瓣現┎翠钵ǎだ絋龟ㄤ瓣產㎝現┎玻ネぃゲ璶紐納踞み盢ㄓ疭跋臔酚Τ穦Τ场だ琌ぃ翠┪ㄇ穦砆疭癸硂妓碞瓣現┎Τ虑胔好疭跋臔酚Τ翠パ臔酚Τ﹡琌瓣現┎σ納倒ぉ硂セ臔酚纔磃┪帽靡笿程璶チ囊戳辨い瓣現┎镑腨タ矪瞶ビ叫㎝уも尿弧沮膀セ猭㎝瓣產現郸疭跋臔酚Τ琌荡癸Τ舦い瓣挂ず
程チ囊㊣苸い璣蛮よ镑拟も崩ざ璣瓣瓣チ臔酚㎝疭跋臔酚и璶㊣苸い瓣現┎ぃ璶璣瓣瓣チ臔酚琌パ璣瓣帽祇┮癸ゑぇ辨疭╋蔼疭跋臔酚︗港礛疭跋臔酚Τи-
琌绑绑タタい瓣Τ臔酚㎝耴い瓣舦τ︑花琌瞷龟薄猵るら舦簿ユぇ琿らごΤカチ惠璶璣瓣瓣チ臔酚┮局Τㄇ帽靡よ獽┕瓣竒坝㎝笴ヴ︙癸硂セ臔酚瞷┮眔纔磃┪よ獽ゴ阑常穦丁钡端甡翠盢ㄓ羉篴㎝﹚и-
辨Τ闽よち癘硂翴
畊ネセ略朝勉や法У地某某
玂璓勉畊ネ現┎籔約カチ㎝︗某常Τ醚碞琌Τ翠疭︽現跋臔酚セ翠﹡チ笴莱赣ㄉΤ程よ獽笴穦ぃ紇臫硂翴琌獶盽璶挪翠竒蕾琌竒蕾翠琌瓣悔磕㎝禩いみセ翠﹡チ眔︑パ礚瞴琌蝴セ翠羉篴璶
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獶盽跌瓣疭琌籔翠Τ盞ち竒蕾㎝笴羛么瓣產甧砛Τ翠疭︽現跋臔酚帽靡挂ㄤい瓣產讽礛獽琌璣瓣璣瓣現┎玡絋ボゲ斗︽眔秈˙戈珹Τ闽Т到籹㎝帽祇疭︽現跋臔酚逼のビ叫非玥穦碞帽靡挂∕﹚陪ヴ︙材瓣產σ納倒ぉ翠疭跋臔酚Τ帽靡挂常穦惠璶眔硂摸戈
タ︗某┮程い璣蛮よ帽璹翠疭︽現跋臔酚穦某璶の璣瓣砐拜ㄊ常癸矗ㄑ硂ㄇ戈Τ┮腊疭跋臔酚м砃灿玥瞷翠現┎チ挂ㄆ叭矪のゼㄓ疭跋挂矪┮踞讽à︹㎝砫ヴ瞷Τだ惧蛮よご璶膥尿癚阶㎝秆∕ビ叫戈单璶拜肈硂よ盢穦瞣疉ッ┦﹡チōだ﹚い瓣捌羆瞶窥ㄤ礰ネㄊ碞硂拜肈璣瓣玂靡盢穦и-
癚阶膀娄璣瓣セる砐拜ㄊ纯竒璣瓣現┎ぃ盢ㄓσ納倒ぉ翠疭跋臔酚Τ帽靡秈璣瓣ボ辨ㄢるず∕﹚
翠現┎Ч觅琵翠疭︽現跋臔酚Τ莉帽靡秈璣瓣︓ヴ︙瓣產┪跋и-
穦很沽刚ぃ居材瓣產秆睦帽祇穝疭跋臔酚┮疉の逼-
獺琵翠ㄉΤ蔼笴よ獽穦蛮よ常盿ㄓ矪Τ惠璶и-
临穦-
玂靡Τ硂ㄇ臔酚翠ゲ﹚翠
︗某ョ矗の闽璣瓣瓣チ臔酚Τ膥尿莉僚帽靡秈璣瓣拜肈︑崩璣瓣瓣チ臔酚ㄓ硂兜逼常Τ砮过磅︽璣瓣瓣チ臔酚ョ爹沮璣瓣挂ㄆ叭砏玥砏﹚セ臔酚Τ砐璣瓣ゐ斗快瞶挂靡┪帽靡璣瓣現┎⊿Τ璸购э跑硂兜逼
睝礚好拜翠疭︽現跋臔酚㎝璣瓣瓣チ臔酚莉眔瓣▆笿癸翠︓Τ璶龟瞷硂ヘ夹ぃΤ闽現┎惠璶翠璶蝴-
笴砮▆厚硂よи╆贾芠篈璶Τ闽現┎㎝カチ荷︑㎝セだ硂ヘ夹琌龟瞷
PRESIDENT: Mr Howard YOUNG, you are now entitled to reply and you have five minutes 33 seconds out of your original 15 minutes. Do you wish to reply, Mr YOUNG?
MR HOWARD YOUNG: Mr President, firstly I would like to thank the 15 Members who have spoken in this debate. Obviously we have a great deal of consensus. Many of the people who spoke have mentioned that Britain should have no fear about the credibility, about the security measures and about the design of the SAR passport. This was mentioned by many Members, including the Honourable Ambrose LAU, Mrs Selina CHOW, LO Suk-ching and many others in their speeches.
Many of our Members have also drawn attention to the fact that when it comes to international travel, apart from easy departure from Hong Kong, acceptance of Hong Kong people's travel documents and hence entry to foreign countries is very important. Visa-free entry makes a big difference in time, in money, in overall convenience and credibility. Many of our Members have alluded to this in their speeches, and I notice that this point was picked up in the Honourable Mrs Miriam LAU's speech, and by the Honourable Miss Christine LOH and CHOY Kan-pui and many others.
The United Kingdom today already grants visa-free access to about 100 countries, many third-world ones with an average GDP which is a fraction of Hong Kong's. The United Kingdom, by far, is the leading European tourist, business and transit destination for 60% of all Hong Kong trips to Europe. Travel and tourism as a whole, as far as the United Kingdom is concerned, is a negative income industry because their citizens spend more money overseas than tourists bring in. So I am sure the valuable tourist money, let alone all the recent snapping up of London property by Hong Kong investors, brought in annually by 150 000 Hong Kong tourists should be very much valued by the British Tourist Authority.
Out of over a million European visitors to Hong Kong, Britain accounts for about a third of a million. They all arrive here without a need for a visa and that point was pointed out by the Honourable CHIM Pui-chung and many others. Foreign Secretary Malcolm RIFKIND went to great pains to point out that Britain had 70 billion of investment and 2.7 billion of exports to look after in Hong Kong after 1997. It would be in nobody's interests, especially Britain's, if British travellers and businessmen had to put up with a lot of hassle, such as those unfortunately experienced by a group of Hong Kong British students and a British tourist in China recently, just to come to Hong Kong to look after their investments and markets.
If Britain does not act decisively and make an early positive decision to take the lead in granting visa-free access to SAR passport holders, I fear that loss of goodwill and calls for retaliation will be hard to prevent. Indeed, the Honourable CHIM Pui-chung in his speech mentioned "tit for tat", but I am glad to note that the Honourable CHEUNG Hon-chung said that in the end this sort of action would only harm both parties.
Mr President, some Members have mentioned the fact that Britain already grants visa-free access to many countries. I have done some research and I have found that at least there is one African country, where Britain does grant visa-free access to their nationals, has an average GDP income of US$1,377. Another Asian country near the Indian subcontinent which also enjoys visa-free access to the United Kingdom has an average GDP of US$1,373, and this compared to Hong Kong is really less than 10% of our average GDP. So, all the fears of Hong Kong people flooding to Britain to try and settle down and become illegal immigrants whatsoever are really groundless.
Mr President, I am glad that the Secretary for Security has mentioned that the Government is thinking along the same lines as Councillors during this debate, and we all recognize that freedom of travel in Hong Kong is very important and we wish to maintain it.
I would lastly mention that, in regard to the Honourable Miss Emily LAU's remarks, my mention of democracy and freedom was not to show that they are mutually exclusive. They are indeed complementary.
Question on the motion put and agreed to.
FREEZING OF GOVERNMENT, PUBLIC UTILITY CORPORATIONS* FEES AND CHARGES, AND PUBLIC HOUSING RENTALS
MR SIN CHUNG-KAI to move the following motion:
"挪瞷硄等蔼ア穨瞯尿胟どの現┎局Τ伦玴緇㎝纗称セЫ玃叫現┎挡籔チネΤ闽Μ禣㎝そョ璶―璶そ犁の╬犁そㄆ穨诀篶︑笆挡布基㎝禣ノ瞷Τキ戳搭淮カチ↖ネ璽踞"
虫ヲ昂某璓勉畊ネセ笆某硄筁某ㄆ祘┮更и竡矗某
臮筁翠カチ程闽猔㎝程踞紐拜肈ご礛琌翠竒蕾祇甶㎝ア穨薄猵–讽穝﹗ア穨瞯㎝硄等瞯そガ肚碈穦ノぃぶ絞碩厨旧τ丁硂秈︽筁礚计ΩΤ闽カチ癸ア穨薄猵秸琩程稰紐み碞琌筁ㄓセ翠ア穨瞯㎝碞穨ぃì瞯常尿どτ硄等瞯玥蝴蔼キ沮翠┎程穝そガ戈きる︓る竒﹗竊┦秸俱ア穨瞯ご礛蔼3.6%琌11ㄓ程蔼キ︳璸ア穨计笷115 000τ碞穨ぃì瞯羬计2.2%︳璸碞穨ぃì计钡窾︓きる硄等瞯瘤耕るΤ淮稬辅ご笷8.2%現┎らョビ烩侯穦玂毁穿计笷︓Τㄓ程蔼129 000耕ど24.5%τㄤいア穨τビ烩侯穿计糤碩筄Θ翠┎璶糤挤禬筁11货じㄓ莱
蔼硄等蔼ア穨瞯耑翠カチ琿会丁今せ薄猵⊿Τ锣癸翠瞷竒蕾ぃ春"ゴ"ネ借ぃ耞現┎龟ぃ砈も芠ㄆ龟現┎︓翠璶そノㄆ穨诀篶璶腀種硂顶琿挡狝叭Μ禣竒搭淮カチら盽ネ场だ竒蕾璽踞覸絯-
↖ネ溃セ略笆某"挪瞷硄等蔼ア穨瞯尿胟どの現┎局Τ伦玴緇㎝纗称セЫ玃叫現┎挡籔チネΤ闽Μ禣㎝そョ璶―璶そ犁の╬犁ㄆ穨诀篶︑笆挡布基㎝禣ノ瞷Τキ戳搭淮カチ↖ネ璽踞"
癸"ゴ"ㄓ弧璶癸繦ア穨㎝惠璶竊秨や称"縩絓ň哀"矪挂現┎临璶ㄇカチら盽ネゲ惠狝叭ㄒ洛励毙▅叭㎝秎現狝叭单矗蔼Μ禣龟琌"辅かホ"暗猭沮現┎き︓せΜや箇衡箇代現┎き︓せ羆竒犁Μ1,589货じ安現┎洛励禣厩禣㎝秎禣Μよゼ眔箇戳糤碩蝴︓き璝Μ挡狦穦現┎ぶΜせ货じオ現┎箇璸Μ0.38%パǎ現┎挡籔チネΤ闽Μ禣癸そ癩現紇臫琌伐稬τ瞷翠局Τ1,453货じ癩現纗称琌Τì镑莱玠搭Μ
そよ翠ΤΘカチ﹡︘そτ场だそ﹡チА妮Μ產畑ア穨瞯尿胟ど㎝硄等蔼癸硂ㄇ產畑紇臫程パ產畑秨や璶场だτウ琌紇臫ヒ摸禣基计跑笆程挡そぃ筀ы硄等搭淮顶糷ネ璽踞祔иㄆッ笷某盢穦碞挡そ硂よ拜肈產冈灿ビ瓃
セ翠埃現┎场カチ矗ㄑ狝叭カチら盽ネい┮惠场だ狝叭А琌パそ犁㎝╬犁そノㄆ穨诀篶┮矗ㄑ硂ㄇ诀篶┮矗ㄑ狝叭絛瞅約獂珹贺笲块ユ硄ㄣ筿㎝费и-
荡癸ぃ┛跌硂ㄇそノㄆ穨诀篶矗蔼Μ禣癸チネ┮硑Θ紇臫
酵酵臟臟臟㎝淮臟琌妮そ犁そノㄆ穨琌現┎戈局Τ诀篶臟狝叭カチ璶栋砰笲块╰参ウΤ砫ヴカチ矗ㄑе倍τ稧﹜ユ硄狝叭τウΜ禣ゲ斗琌瞶㎝カチ璽踞讽礛и-
フ竒犁贺そユ硄ㄣウΜ埃キ颗诀篶笲Θセ㎝秨や临斗琵诀篶寥瞶厨らщ戈э到狝叭ぇノиゲ斗眏秸現┎Θミそ犁そノㄆ穨诀篶ヘ荡癸ぃ莱赣琌寥窥и-
粄琂礛臟㎝臟そセō癩現猵獶盽铆㏕τΤ秖龟礚ゲ璶ョぃ莱赣ご篋ㄒ–矗基
臟そき钡5.7货じ耕戳糤12%獶盽芠臟そ伦玴–秖糤羇ㄏ挡布基挡狦ㄤ龟穦臟そぃ笷诀篶セō┮砞﹚10%ず场厨瞯癸诀篶セō癩現猵セぃ穦盿ㄓ或紇臫
臟そ癩叭薄猵ゑ臟そ瞶稱臟そ俱砰11货じ酚臟そ箇代今せ臟┮Τ杜叭莱赣竒睲临τ沮臟羆竒瞶ら肚碈硓臩臟き秖耕ど5%秖糤獺穦臟そ膥尿胟ど︓淮臟瘤礛ごΤ淮稬莲穕淮臟竒犁丁﹟祏ぃ璶―Τ厨τ眖淮臟筁碭竒犁猵ㄓ淮臟秖–АΤ陪帝糤璝礛狝叭借ぃ耞э到ま獺淮臟ゼㄓ计穦锣莲τ臟そ琌淮臟ダそ局Τ伦玴癩現猵ì莱淮臟硂ㄇ稬莲穕
臟㎝臟そ癩現铆㏕局Τ伦玴挡布基癸诀篶犁笲荡癸⊿Τ拜肈玱搭淮カチユ硄よやチ囊璶―臟ぃ璶さきる矗蔼布基
埃そ犁そノㄆ穨诀篶セ翠璶╬犁そノㄆ穨诀篶临珹ぺいぺぺ猳弚近ぱ琍近翠縊㎝い筿硂ㄇ╬犁そノㄆ穨诀篶竒犁А莉眔現┎уぉ盡犁舦玂毁-
┮竒犁狝叭Τ﹚カ初Τ瞯传ēぇョ玂毁-
Τ﹚ネ種肂㎝Μ琂礛硂ㄇ╬犁そノㄆ穨诀篶ㄉΤ現┎倒ぉ纔磃-
莱赣璶癸カチ璽﹚穦砫ヴ
闽璶―╬犁ぺそ㎝寸近そ挡Μ禣拜肈иㄆ独岸藉某祔穦產冈灿だ猂
︓翠ㄢ丁筿そ翠縊㎝い筿ョだ莉眔現┎倒ぉセ翠ㄑ筿盡犁舦籔現┎帽璹恨璸购τ恨璸购砏﹚ㄢ丁筿そ莉眔砛柬そ㏕﹚戈玻キА瞓13.5%現┎ョ砏﹚ㄢ丁筿そゲ斗Θミ兜祇甶膀㎝搭禣纗称膀だ潦竚㏕﹚戈玻㎝搭ノめΜ禣ぇノи-
璶―ㄢ丁筿そ挡Μ禣琌︽ㄢ丁筿そ笲ノセō祇甶膀㎝搭禣纗称恶干ゼ糤筿禣Μ猵ㄢ丁筿そ筁碭常Τ讽芠厨瞯羇礛ゼ糤筿禣獺癸そ俱Μぃ穦硑Θ紇臫
き戳丁チ囊纯Ω璶―現┎㎝そノㄆ穨诀篶砰チ薄拟も挡Μ禣ㄆ龟現┎挡籔チネΤ闽Μ禣琌砫礚禪τそノㄆ穨诀篶┮矗ㄑ狝叭籔カチネ闽硂竒蕾ぃ春薄猵挡Μ禣搭淮カチ竒蕾璽踞琌贺そㄆ穨莱荷穦砫ヴ
畊ネバ玊某朝胞糭某㎝ヴ到圭某だ碞セ某矗タиㄆ独綺笽某盢碞-
タ祇ē莱
セ略朝勉矗某
Question on the motion proposed.
PRESIDENT: Mr James TIEN, Miss CHAN Yuen-han and Mr YUM Sin-ling have seperately given notices to move amendments to this motion. As there are three amendments to the motion, I propose to have the motion and the three amendments debated together in a joint debate.
The Council shall now debate the motion and the amendments together in a joint debate. As Members were informed by circular on 19 January, under Standing Order 25(4), I shall ask Mr James TIEN to speak first, to be followed by Miss CHAN Yuen-han and Mr YUM Sin-ling; but no amendments are to be moved at this stage. Members may then express their views on the main motion as well as on the proposed amendments listed on the Order Paper.
MR JAMES TIEN: Mr President, when western economies go into a tailspin, their public coffers go with them. But not so in Hong Kong. We are lucky to have an Administration which has a mountain of reserves garnered through the years during which our boom generated more money than it could spend. As our slump deepens, people are wondering whether the Government should share the bounty just as they themselves had to share theirs with the taxman.
Exactly how rich is our Government? Let us see. The Government has accrued $480 billion in the Exchange Fund and $150 billion in fiscal reserves. On a per capita basis, we are only behind Singapore in this category. Just in fiscal reserves alone, we are six times ahead of the $25 billion which the Administration feels is quite enough as an inheritance to the Special Administrative Region (SAR).
Exactly how poor is our economy today? The Government keeps telling everyone we are doing fine with a GDP growth of 4.5% forecast for this year, including spending on the New Airport. But a 4.5% growth rate is half of what we were achieving a decade ago and half of what Singapore is managing now. At this rate, we are going to accomplish something spectacular, namely, the most stagnant economy in East Asia after Japan.
As I have said before, all you have to do to experience how grim the situation is is by walking around Causeway Bay and counting the number of store closures and the fire sales. Take a stroll down there again. Notice this time around the various gimmicks used by restaurants to attract diners as their profits go down the drain, thanks in part to the trade effluent surcharge.
Statistics show the same story. TV media today report property prices fallen by almost a third from their peak because of a lack of demand. The Government itself has just slashed its asking price for a prime site in Kowloon. The recent Christmas was the gloomiest that shops had for a very long time and the Chinese New Year may not be any better.
If there was anything remarkable about 1995, it was the massive shake-up to the retail and catering businesses. Today, bankruptcies continue unabated. In the first half of 1995, there were 55 000 retail outlets in Hong Kong but fewer than 51 000 by the second half. The catering industry suffered worse, losing one restaurant in ten over the same span. The Government, Mr President, would be most negligent if it continues to shrug at this rate of companies folding because the retail and catering trades are small businesses employing many workers.
The Government has rightly made a fuss about unemployment, but not a squeak about the cause of that unemployment which is flagging business. Our Administration often states its dislike for intervention in the market, even though it intervenes in a direct way. The most obvious example is its pressure on the banks to tighten their lending policy. The tactic has contributed to a 30% drop in property prices in just over one year. Another is its labour importation policy, so restrictive that it is stifling companies with genuine need.
Let us mince no words, Mr President. The Government tampers with the economy and it should so now, to give the neglected commercial and industrial sectors a spark. The trouble is that the Government these days gets involved for political reasons, not economic ones. An example of that is the concession to unions over imported labour because of their member's Bills. Now, please, give employers a chance, because when we do well, everybody gains, the Government included.
All we require now is for the Government to provide us with a fees and charges freeze for one year that would give our economy a timely fillip. If after a year the Government feels it is bleeding too much, it can review the measure together with this Council. While the freeze itself may not cause much of a dent in the Government budget, it can mean much to many businesses operating on the margin. It could launch us into another boom that should coincide nicely with the change of sovereignty next year. We would then enter the new era with a positive frame of mind and with an assurance to the rest of the world that the Hong Kong SAR is serious about business and thus serious about its fiture.
For a decade now, the Administration has pleaded impotence about coping with inflation. For a decade now, it has stuck rigidly to the user pays principle even though times and conditions have changed. This inflexibility has done harm to Hong Kong whose current annual inflation rate is high compared to our growth, while the United States, to whose greenback our dollar is pegged, is expecting an inflation of only 2.8%. The Government can do something positive about inflation by freezing government fees and charges. The Administration can and must address this inflation because leadership, in economics as in anything else, entails a degree of short term sacrifice for long-term benefits.
Mr President, the Liberal Party cannot support the original motion by the Honourable SIN Chung-kai because it is too sweeping, ineffectual and diffused. While we may ask public utility corporations, such as the Mass Transit Railway and the Kowloon-Canton Railway Corporations, to show restrain in fee increase, we cannot dictate to them. These corporations are mandated to operate like private companies so that they would not be a burden on public expenditure. Private companies operating franchises have to show a profit to their shareholders and must invest in vehicles, maintain standards and uphold safety. The fare we pay is not just for getting us from point A to point B, but also getting us there on time and in one piece and that takes capital injections. In a capitalist economy among the able, there should be no free lunch. In transport, there is no free ride. These companies also have to pay their staff wage rises commensurate with the inflation rate of at least 8% a year. I challenge our union legislators to tell transport workers that their wages should be frozen this year.
Mr President, I hope the majority of this Council will support my amendment because its scope is realistic and it is something that the Government itself can readily achieve. Thank you.
THE PRESIDENT'S DEPUTY, DR LEONG CHE-HUNG, took the Chair.
朝胞糭某璓勉瞶畊ネ穦ぃ春カチ禣筿紇芠渤搭ぶΝ玡Τ甅"ヌタ肚"筿紇玱だ芥畒セ芠菠Τ┮讽いぇ琌いヌ到禲˙ぃ穎ユ硄そㄣ程祇笷螟┣ウ瞏翠カチ舧硂场栏琵カチ秆ぃ穎そユ硄ㄣ絤禲˙Θ㎝璓碔笵瞶!
穝秨﹍基羘癬癸どゆカチτēそノㄆ穨ぷㄤ琌そユ硄ㄣ基癸-
ネ秨や篶Θ↖璽踞程碞琘︽穨┮秸琩陪ボΤΘ粄ユ硄ㄣ硑Θネ秨や璽踞ㄆ龟礚阶痁厩贝砐克ね㎝硙刁А惠ㄌ苦そユ硄ㄣ–硂ㄇユ硄ㄣΞ基礛τ狝叭ろㄎ礚ㄤ匡拒ご璶磃臮龟Τ"癳ο"稰谋!
翠丁ぺそら矗基и-
êㄇそ龟悔⊿Τヴ︙э到玱矗璶基
そノㄆ穨ぷユ硄琌カチら盽ネゲ惠珇狝叭借㎝キ常钡紇臫チネΤㄤ坝珇そノㄆ穨ぃ莱砆跌カ初竒蕾坝珇τ惠璶そ渤痲㎝瞶柬ぇ眔瞶キ颗щ戈璽穦砫ヴ荡ぃ簔跌и-
そ渤痲
現┎い戳璹ミ"そㄆ穨恨璸购"︓さぱゼΤ筁ヴ︙璹そㄆ穨诀篶盢柬跑Θ柬玂靡ぺㄒウ虑寥ぃ镑戈玻厨瞯16%基瞶パ寥窥薄猵ご礛カチΜ禥禣ノиぺ寥筄窾じ狦矗基ぃ瞶︓いぺ狝叭и稱琌-
常琌戳竒犁ぃ到程璶琌ㄤ狝叭借ぃ稱穎ウ狦現┎硂妓常琵ウ基痷琌"ぱ礚泊"
︓臟︑秨﹍锣莲Τ10货じ柬ご礛戳璽杜虑ㄓ基ゼ眏勉管瞶跌ο!
臟の淮臟玥Θセ糤㎝э到狝叭瞶パ矗糤ó禣礛τ臟緇筄10货じㄏ碩硄等瞯ョぃ瞶﹟Τ诀篶иぃ稱灿计
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ョ癸块骋逼э挤戈方カチ矗ㄑ蚌癡ア穨瞯瞷Τ铆﹚ㄓ格禜祔稰猋饥и-
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程ЧΘ箇衡吭高钮某癸癩現箇衡よ種ǎ硂筁祘いи-
だ秆某癸チネ拜肈闽猔иΩ某玂靡и-
穦荷秖箇衡い臮の-
┮闽猔拜肈瞷禯瞒祇箇衡らΤせ琍戳狦и-
镑膥尿安砞Μ禣秸俱常莉眔硄筁и-
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瞶畊ネи略朝勉玃叫某Ω蹦-
玡┮醇ぇ羭∕某㎝タ
SECRETARY FOR TRANSPORT: Mr Deputy, I daresay many of us in the Chamber this evening are experiencing a sense of deja vu. This is because the call to reject or defer proposals for increases in fees and charges as well as transport fares has become an instinctive battle cry of some political parties and Members of this Council. What is more, motion debates on this subject seem to have become a fixture in the Council's calendar at this time of the year to pre-empt the cycle of applications for fare adjustments from transport operators.
I make no apologies for repeating and reiterating the points I have made over the past two years in debates pertaining to transport fares because the arguments remain totally valid.
One of the fundamental pillars of our well-established transport policy is to provide a reliable, efficient and affordable transport system in Hong Kong which meets the economic, social and recreational needs of our community. The rationale for this policy cannot be disputed when over 10 million commuter trips are made by public transport daily. Our buses carry 3.5 million passengers a day; the MTR, KCR and LRT account for another 3.2 million; over 1.7 million use PLBs; another 200 000 travel by ferries and 320 000 by trams whilst some 1.3 million use taxis.
We have, by world standards, a first-class transport system. Although the Government provides the regulatory framework for this, it is the private sector that provides the services. This approach has served Hong Kong well. Our franchised transport operators, over the year, have made sizable investments and as business ventures, they must be allowed to make a fair and reasonable return on their investments. Operating costs increase and an adjustment in transport fares, in turn, becomes a necessity.
As for our two railway corporations, I agree with everything the Honourable James TIEN has said. Both the MTRC and KCRC operate on prudent commercial principles. It is through annual adjustments in fares that both MTRC and KCRC generate the necessary funds to implement comprehensive maintenance and service improvement programmes.
But, Mr President, I must question the views pertaining to transport fares expressed by the Honourable Miss CHAN Yuen-han and the Honourable YUM Sin-ling. One has to be realistic. If franchised operators are not permitted to make a modest return on their investment, why should they continue in the business? It becomes quite ludicrous when, for example by comparison, individuals can earn a better return on their saving deposits, than can, say, a ferry company on its huge capital outlay. If transport operators lose money and go bankrupt, what would happen? If public transport comes to a halt, Hong Kong would become paralyzed. Do the critics expect the Government to subsidize public transport? Worse still, would the Government have to take over? The full implications and consequences of freezing transport fares must be fully understood. This is unquestionably illustrated by the fact that the operating costs of our franchised bus and ferry companies totalled $5 billion in 1995. If the private sector withdrew, and the Government was forced into running buses and ferry, funding would then have to come from the public purse and my guess is that this would have to be at the expense of other programme areas.
It would be totally wrong to think that applications for increases in transport fares are endorsed by the Administration simply to boost the coffers of transport operators. It may help if I outline again the criteria which the Administration takes into account. These are:
(a) the increase in operating costs since the last adjustment;
(b) efforts made to reduce costs and increase revenue, for example, economy measures and other sources of revenue such as advertising;
(c) the availability and quality of service provided having regard to passenger demand and feedback;
(d) future development plans and service improvement programmes;
(e) forecast of future costs, revenue and return;
(f) public affordability and acceptability including the impact on livelihood.
Having very carefully weighed all these factors, the Administration will then form a view as to whether an increase is justified and if so, the level of increase that is warranted. And of course it is not just the Administration that looks at the facts and figures. The Legislative Council Transport Panel is fully briefed indeed the bus and ferry companies and other transport operators present their case to the Legislative Council. The proposals are scrutinized by the Transport Advisory Committee and recommendations are then submitted to the Executive Council for endorsement.
The impact of fare increases must be looked at realistically. To reject such increase on the grounds that this would spiral inflation and adversely affect the economy is too simplistic. The impact on livelihood needs to be seen in proper perspective. For the five-year period from 1991 to 1995, the average impact on the Consumer Price Index arising from all public transport fare increases equated to a meagre 0.29 percentage point. The current public transport component of the average household expenditure is less than 5%.
Mr Deputy, of late, there has been a growing temptation to politicize each and every application for a fare adjustment. To say the least, the tendency to focus on increases in percentage terms is misleading. In reality, the actual increase in dollar terms is minimal and affordable, with increase on the majority of individual routes well under $1.
Mr Deputy, it is certainly right and proper for Members of this Council to be concerned about increases in public transport fares. With respect, the discharge of responsibility does not lie in the outright rejection of such applications; surely, responsibility must extend to an examination of all the facts and figures as well as taking into account the basis on which public transport is provided and recognizing the full implications of any decision.
Mr Deputy, I urge Honourable Members to vote against the motion.
SECRETARY FOR ECONOMIC SERVICES: Mr Deputy, I would like to comment on those parts of the motion and the proposed amendments related to tariffs charged by public utility corporations in the public and private sectors in my area of responsibility. I shall talk briefly about electricity supply, telecommunications and then some other Government fees and charges which are mentioned in the motion and the amendments to the motion. I join my colleagues here today and urge Members to reject the motion and the amendments. This is because the motion urges us to take a course of action which would not be in the long-term interests of Hong Kong.
I shall start with electricity supply. When the Government considers proposals from our power companies to revise charges, we take into account all relevant factors, social, economic as well as the long-term well-being of Hong Kong. This is because our power companies have a very important role to play in supporting Hong Kong's economic development. Our two power companies operate under two schemes of control agreements agreed with the Government. The Government's objective in negotiating these agreements is to ensure that consumers get a reliable and efficient service, one which will expand to meet increasing demands at a reasonable price; and that shareholders of the company in turn get a reasonable return on their investment. This will encourage them to continue to make the necessary investments, particularly those in the longer term. The companies are also then enabled to compete successfully in the financial markets when funds are needed for their expansion programmes, in particular to keep the cost of borrowing down. The companies, by so doing, are permitted to avoid financial difficulties which could otherwise lead to their collapse, and these objectives are all achieved without any direct subsidy from public funds and with a minimum of governmental interference.
Under their respective scheme of control agreements, the companies have agreed to subject their development proposals and tariff adjustments to government approval. There is in return a formula to determine the maximum level of profit that each company can earn. In approving tariff adjustments, the Government seeks to strike a delicate balance between the interests of consumers and shareholders. On the one hand consumers require affordability of tariffs, but at the same time every member of the public expects the certainty that their demand on the electricity supply will be met without the brown-outs and black-outs to which other parts of the region are subject. As regards shareholders, they meet that reasonable rate of return on their investment and a climate of investment to enable them to meet the expectation of the general public on the certainty, the certainty of power supply.
When we look at tariff adjustment, we seek to ensure that any increase in tariff is the minimum ⌒ the minimum necessary to allow the company, in return for meeting its obligations, to receive a reasonable level of profits. On a year-to-year basis, the actual tariff charged to consumers may even be below the level approved for that year. For instance, the most recent tariff increase for the Hong Kong Electric Company in January was well below the prevailing inflation rate and the level which had been approved under the company's financial plan. This system of applying the scheme of control agreements on our power companies has served Hong Kong well. We have a reliable supply of electrical power to our homes, our factories, offices, efficiently generated and sufficient to meet all our demands. The average tariff level of the two power companies has only increased by 35% since 1983, compared to a 172% increase in the Consumer Price Index for the same period. In real terms, the cost of electricity has fallen over 49% during the past 12 years.
I would now like to turn to telecommunications. Telecommunication services play a vital role in supporting our economic development. That these services are reliable, efficient and advanced gives Hong Kong a vital competitive edge in supporting our domestic business and industrial sectors. We in Hong Kong are proud and indeed fortunate to have one of the most advanced and sophisticated telecommunication networks in the world. This is one of our main competitive strengths, one which we must develop if Hong Kong is to remain successful and competitive into the information age of the 21st century.
Our present enviable situation has arisen through the foresight and substantial investment of the telecommunication industry. This is being enhanced through the introduction of competition in our local networks. The future investment of telecommunication companies, and they are committed to investment in excess of $32 billion over the next 10 years, depends on having a reasonable rate of return and a favourable investment climate in which to raise funds. Market forces in the highly competitive areas of telecommunication industry are more than sufficient to keep tariffs down. Where competition has only recently been introduced we have ensured that there is no predatory pricing. Any freeze on tariff levels, as suggested by the motion, therefore, makes no sense. Where market forces already operate to the full, the least governmental interference the better.
Turning now to government fees, first is our proposal to increase public cargo working area fees. I did propose some modest adjustments to this Council in October last year. Our aim was to do no more than recover costs for what are essentially commercial operations, and very large ones at that. The intention of those proposals was, through a phased programme, to remove the public subsidization of the current service and get a reasonable rate of return on the average net fixed asset valued at historical prices. Our first-phase proposal was for an average increase of 20% with a rate of return of only 8%. This has to be seen in the context of continued growth in the number of ships using the port and the continued growth in demand for cargo-handling facilities. Pricing such fees below cost and market demand makes no commercial sense or economic sense.
Secondly, I have tabled proposals for adjustment to seafarers' fees. In setting these fees, we have adopted an approach whereby most of the fees are revised by about only 10% to bring them in line with current price levels. The proposed fees still only recover 22% of the total cost incurred in providing the services.
I would like to make one more illustration as to why it makes no sense to put a general freeze on charges. I intend in the near future to put to Members a proposal to revise airport car-parking fees. These fees are not a major item but any freeze on them, as is urged by this motion, would produce some unintended and totally undesirable consequences. The principle in setting the fees for the airport carpark is not to raise revenue but to ensure that there are always spaces available at the airport for airport users. The fees have to maintain a relativity with car-parking fees in the neighbouring areas, otherwise there would be such an influx of casual car drivers into that carpark that all available spaces would be quickly filled and those who genuinely need to drive their cars to the airport would have to drive around the airport time and again waiting for a space to become available.
Mr Deputy, Hong Kong may be going through some adjustments in its economic development, but these are not the worst of times. Inflation, for example, is on the decline. We are all working to improve the situation. We do have to strike a balance when considering fee and tariff revisions. It would, in my view, be irresponsible to endorse all proposals for revisions to fees and tariffs without reference to wider social or economic considerations, but it would also be irresponsible to freeze all fees and tariffs without considering their merits. To do so would be to trade the future for the present.
I urge Members, as leaders of vision, to look beyond the immediate present to the future and to the future well-being of Hong Kong.
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MISS CHRISTINE LOH: Mr Deputy, it has become fashionable to have many amendments. Of today's motion and the three amendments, I dislike Honourable James TIEN's amendment least because it restricts itself to the Government's fees and charges. Having said that, I cannot say I like it actually. The others all include public and private bodies, to a greater or lesser extent.
I believe we should perhaps try to look at the first principles which does not appear to be the case of the Member who is moving the motion and also those who are moving amendments.
Firstly, I think the Government has to acknowledge that it has an enormous reserve. This does create a case for not increasing government charges. The Government should acknowledge this rather than pretend that Hong Kong needs to keep an unusually high level of reserves.
Let us just remind ourselves of the sheer grossness of the numbers we are looking at. The Administration forecast a year ago that Hong Kong's fiscal reserves at 31 March 1997 will stand at HK$151 billion. This figure will rise to a staggering HK$361 billion by March 1999. Hong Kong is expected to do very well because the SAR Government will receive the full proceeds from land sales and will collect rents from the extension of New Territories leases. Thus, from 1 July 1997, Hong Kong is expected to have annual surpluses of HK$33 billion.
Mr Deputy, these numbers are immense. Let me say now that these sums belong to the people of Hong Kong. It does raise the issue of what we should do with this enormous common wealth.
Having said that, I believe the surplus should be dealt with by a comprehensive review of the tax system, and the level of taxation, and not in an ad hoc manner, as is proposed by the motion and the amendments today. As a general rule, I favour indirect taxation rather than direct taxation. But that is the subject of another debate.
Secondly, Mr Deputy, we must ask ourselves what level of priority for reduction we wish to give to government fees and charges. This Council has already considered this issue with the recent sewage charges debate. I said then, and I repeat it now, that government fees and charges should have a very low priority, since the "userpays" principle should be followed as far as possible.
Thirdly, Mr Deputy, you might ask what about a temporary freeze then, as is being suggested today? A freeze is always self-defeating, since there has to be a catch-up process eventually. The motion and the amendments state that inflation is high today and that is causing hardship. But, surely, when the catching-up occurs next year, inflation could shoot up. If Honourable Members need to have an example, they can look at what happened in Britain in 1979 when the British Government relaxed the freeze on prices and wages. Inflation rose to over 20%.
Fourthly, as a principle, I think we would want the fees and charges of public corporations to be set autonomously, like that of the Housing Authority. However, we would want in return, a high level of transparency of its operation so that the public is assured of its sound financial management. There are Members of this Council sitting on the board of the Housing Authority. They are in a good position to discuss there whether public housing rental needs to be increased this year, and if so, to what level.
Lastly, I am sure that as a principle, the fees and charges of the private sector should also be set autonomously and I do not believe I need to elaborate on this.
I wish to mention that I am particularly interested in the Honourable Miss CHAN Yuen-han's amendment, requesting that "public utility corporations in the public and private sectors which are operating with surplus to freeze their fares and charges voluntarily for one year."
I do not know which of the public corporations have surpluses currently or are about to accumulate surplus. Where there are surpluses, using them to freeze fares and charges may not be the best use of resources for the greatest public good. For example, if the MTRC has a surplus this coming year, it may be argued that the corporation should use it to subisidize building railways to areas which have not yet reached a critical population for it to be financially viable to start building. All I want to show here is that using surpluses to freeze fares and charge is not necessarily the best way to surpluses.
Mr Deputy, it seems that in the recent spate of debates related to the economy, I have voted against the motions and all the amendments. I regret that I have to do so again today.
THE PRESIDENT resumed the Chair.
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╬犁诀篶笲ゲ斗龟悔惠―τ﹚そ犁┪╬犁そㄆ穨诀篶ョ琌妓ミ猭Ы某и-
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笲ノ某穦秖箇︑パ竒蕾笲ēぇ碞琌そ寥窥㏕礛ぃ基莲セョぃ基硂妓毙坝穨诀篶︙暗㎡ぱ丁Τ街暗ぃ寥窥︓莲セネ種㎡埃獶琌現┎┪琌稯到诀篶
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ゲ斗σ納Τ闽そ龟悔犁笲薄猵ョ璶琵犁笲Τì镑戈方絋玂Τ闽狝叭眔蝴蔼非ぃ瞶そ犁笲猵ぃ瞶そ寥籯"ち"璶┮Τそユ硄㎝そノㄆ穨诀篶挡Μ禣琌ぃ醇犁笲Θセぃ耞害吏挂挡基穦狝叭キ程沧甡琌カチ
畊ネ琄甃﹗Τ–癬は碞﹗盽闽猔チネ琌某璶盽ぃ筁场だ某ΩΩ虫チネ瞶パチネ矗挡そユ硄㎝そノㄆ穨诀篶Μ禣ぃ臮ちは癸基Чぃ瞶穦ま祇狦Ч簔跌タ盽坝穨犁笲癸翠竒蕾祇甶璶┦︑パ囊ぃ粄硂暗猭и-
は癸さぱ某やバ玊某タ
朝挪狶某璓勉畊ネ
基ビ叫А琌栏硈初
そㄆ穨基琌セЫㄆ┮闽猔兜ヘ癸–Ω基ビ叫А琌栏硈初娩碵ゴ癬"硔ゲは"篨糾醚╆圾て瞶├ぃ瞶穦龟悔薄猵ぃ臮カチ程沧痲τ娩碵現┎讽基某≧阑玥陪眔は莱筁庇蔼羭"ノ︑"玥λゴ差Τ璶―腨莲穕そㄆ穨挡Μ禣碞甧砛Τ柬酚祸龟秨泊!
チ羛穦ノ瞶┦㎝叭龟篈
癘眔羆服琁現厨и竒量筁現┎癸某は癸基は莱筁庇琌ぃゲ璶ㄆ龟チ羛穦瞶┦㎝叭龟篈癸–兜基某チ羛ミ初﹍沧琌铆翠俱砰痲穦羉篴铆﹚﹡贾穨玥∕﹚
и-
穦糵稸癸–兜基ビ叫秈︽蝶︳蝶︳ず甧珹璽砫犁笲そセō竒犁猵赣そ矗ㄑ狝叭借基癸チネ紇臫㎝讽ㄤ穦俱砰竒蕾猵
︵蕾寸螟闽
挪翠タ矪竒蕾絯チ羛粄礚阶現┎の穦顶糷常璶が砰教Τ贺︵蕾弘寸螟闽礚阶琌そ犁の╬犁そㄆ穨诀篶Τ秖緇А莱︑笆挡布基㎝Μ禣搭淮カチ↖ネ璽踞
畊ネそ渤癸そㄆ穨某阶埃Μ禣糤碩ㄤ龟璶琌狝叭非眔矗蔼そㄆ穨犁笲莱矗蔼狝叭借璶ヴ叭程и-
碞钮ㄇ獶盽眏疨羘粄そㄆ穨狝叭狦镑笷璶―基琌钡ǎ狝叭借禣みい┮︗竚獶盽璶
癸そㄆ穨現┎╬犁て現郸荷р┮Τそ狝叭ユぉ坝犁┪パ現┎戈局Τ坝穨玥秈︽笲穦"ノ︑"玥ΜΘセ㎝厨硂琌и-
膀セ觅﹁よ瓣產场だそㄆ穨琌パ瓣產竒犁現┎碞斗璶干禟秖そ┊
盡犁舦兵蹿㎝菏恨よΑき
パそㄆ穨そ┮矗ㄑ狝叭籔そ渤ら盽癬﹡ネ闽ヘ玡い筿翠縊琌柬恨璸购菏恨翠筿癟Τ基近基玥惠璶ミ猭Ы硄筁璹妮猭ㄒよΑ秈︽临Τぺ臟隔单ㄤユ硄ㄣのㄤ籔チネΤ闽そㄆ穨单盡犁舦兵蹿㎝菏恨よΑА琌き
そ渤伐ぇ辨現┎癸そㄆ穨Τ甅Ч到菏恨τ狝叭矗ㄑ礚阶琌そ犁┪╬犁常Τ甅硓蔼瞶癩よ猭㎝浪琩狝叭┯空琵カチ祇揣Τ菏诡ノ
タ程璶種竡
Τ獶盽璶阶翴и谋眔穦渤琌ゲ斗稸σ納瘤礛翠琌︑パ坝穨穦ち基程沧莱パカ初∕﹚ㄉΤ盡犁舦そㄆ穨莱璽癬俱砰穦そ渤砫ヴ籔カチ紐杯籔ぃ筁硂ぃボи-
碞Τだ瞶パヴ種挡┮Τ基
畊ネ璝и-
ぃ瞶醇篈龟ㄆ―琌矪瞶基ㄆ﹜ぃ虫ゎ穦瘆胊︑パ竒蕾カ初щ戈吏挂程沧穦ㄏそㄆ穨簍跑Θパ現┎笆ノそ┊秈︽"瓣犁て"Μ初獺硂琌產┮ぃ腀種ǎ畊ネセ略朝勉
某璓勉畊ネ挡基阶翴獺︗某弧┘ぇ丁フ┮и虏祏璓勉瘤礛現┎そガ计陪ボセ翠硄等祔辅ぃぶカチ癸竒蕾祇甶獺みパア穨瞯蔼ぃカチ癸碞穨薄猵磀芠篈踞みア穨薄猵穦秈˙碿てま璓禣種激尿痟畓
沮翠┎︳璸パア穨计糤烩侯穦玂毁穿ョ尿ど穦褐竝竝宋紈对ネ畊ミ猭Ы癩〆穦ボる︓る祇侯穿ど14.5%パ101 000﹙ど︓116 000﹙︳璸丁ア穨计糤琌旧璓硂计ど翠┎︳璸さ緇丁计穦秈˙ど10%
沮現┎ら玡そガき材﹗璶︽穨摸沟キАΜの戈参璸计籔戳ゑきる俱砰戈计Ι埃硄等瞷璽糤1.8%は琈き俱砰骋カ初惠―絯ま璓沟羱筍褐
硄等のア穨瞯蔼ぃア穨τ烩侯穿ら糤戈瞷璽糤薄猵砲碔腶镣腨τ現┎玱Г局伦玴緇の纗称瞶莱挡そ㎝籔チネ钡闽現┎Μ禣パ璶―挡そ犁の╬犁そㄆ穨诀篶Μ禣ま璓骋羱筍褐ぃэ到и谋眔蔼そ犁の╬犁そㄆ穨诀篶⌒и┮弧琌蔼そ犁の╬犁そㄆ穨诀篶ョ莱︑笆挡Μ禣搭淮カチ璽踞
セや朝胞糭某タ谅谅
At this point, the Financial Secretary drew the attention of the President to the absence of a quorum
PRESIDENT: I direct the Council be counted.
PRESIDENT: I now suspend the Council and summon Members to attend the sitting.
A quorum was then formed.
PRESIDENT: Council will now resume.
独岸藉某璓勉畊ネ沮現┎参璸矪戳そガき材﹗璶︽穨摸沟キАΜの戈参璸计籔戳ゑ耕きる俱砰戈计Τ7%竡糤碩Ι埃硄等紇臫赣戈计獽瞷璽糤1.8%硂ネ螟そノㄆ穨癩刮狦癩現猵铆胺薄猵临绊璶ビ叫基寥芠厨瞯チ囊琌荡癸ぃ钡琌そノㄆ穨诀篶籔寥窥璶ヘ坝犁そ┦借琌ぃそノㄆ穨诀篶┮矗ㄑ狝叭籔穦渤ら盽ネ闽琌蒥チゲ惠珇莱Τ﹚祘穦砫ヴτ現┎穦倒ぉ硂ㄇ诀篶盡犁舦絋玂诀篶腀種环щ戈祇甶э到狝叭借蒥チ眔磃硂ㄇ诀篶Τ砫ヴ蒥チ矗ㄑ蔼借狝叭Μ禣キゲ斗琌蒥チ钡㎝璽踞
畊ネセ盢穦チ囊栋い癚阶и-
璶―挡ぺ㎝寸近そΜ禣瞶沮
いぺ狝叭借琌渤┮㏄現┎だのき玠搭いぺ26兵㎝14兵ぺ絬胓籃辨ㄏウ縩伐э到狝叭堡いぺ玱ㄌ礛珿иぃ虫ゎ⊿Τ穝ó钉τ叉痁瞯㎝蒥チщ禗ご礛熬蔼
瘤礛いぺ砆現┎ㄢΩ玠搭ぺ絬ウ癩現猵ご琌铆胺筁きいぺキА㏕﹚戈玻瞓厨瞯А蝴13%︓15%ぃ单獶盽芠и-
粄いぺ狝叭篈㎝借筁┕竒犁┮莉眔芠セぃ莱赣уいぺ基
︓ぺ︑莉у犁快26兵ぺ絬盡犁舦ぺ计ヘ㎝呼蹈獽ぃ耞耎甶τヘ玡ぺ–ら更秖笷︓30窾Ωτ現┎琵ぺ盡み祇甶ぺ穨叭......
At this point, the Financial Secretary drew the attention of the President again to the absence of a quorum.
PRESIDENT: I direct the Council be counted.
PRESIDENT: Two short, Council is now suspended. I summon Members to return to the sitting.
A quorum was then formed.
PRESIDENT: Council will now resume, Mr WONG Wai-yin, please continue.
独岸藉某戳уぉぺ穝盡犁舦τぺ琌ぶΤそノㄆ穨诀篶竒犁戳獽Τ酚彩菠︳璸ぺき笷1,200窾じ琂礛ぺ局ΤΤ祇甶吏挂㎝兵ン龟ゐ斗祏戳ず寥伦玴柬チ囊ぃ穦钡ぺ硂矗13.7%ó禣碩
ぺ籔いぺぺ┮ぃぇ矪琌ぺご礛柬恨璸购ぇず硂璸购ぺ莉寥ぃ禬筁キА㏕﹚戈玻瞓16%厨瞯ぺ玱盢硂璸购瞶秆莉現┎уウ–寥16%柬玂靡ぺ–羇ㄏ芠ご礛穦矗基叭―笷程蔼厨瞯篒︓きせるらぺ盡ぺ穨叭獽笷2.18货じ耕戳糤17.8%パ︳璸ぺき盢穦獶盽芠硂竒蕾ぃ春吏挂狦ぺご绊璶–基笷︓钡16%厨瞯龟琌垦忌暗猭珿и-
璶―ぺ莱︑笆挡布基搭淮蒥チユ硄よや
︓穝垃ぺ琌垃﹡チ璶ユ硄ㄣ沮赣そ穨罿厨そのき硂ㄢず寥伦玴だ琌770窾じの840窾じㄢ常だ笷キА㏕﹚戈玻瞓厨瞯35.6%の27%パ-
︳璸せ璝ぃ基獽寥63窾じ矗璶―基10.4%チ囊谋眔穝垃ぺそ筁ㄢ常Τ芠琌竒犁薄猵祔Τ螟獽ぃ瞶穦┕ㄢ玴τ矗基硂翴и-
チ囊琌谋眔ぃ钡и-
ョ辨镑挡穝垃ぺ基
畊ネ寸近狝叭よさ猳弚近㎝ぱ琍近А矗基ビ叫Τ闽挡猳弚近布基瞶沮ㄢ琍戳ミ猭Ы癚阶筁иぃゴ衡狡и-
癸ぱ琍近ビ叫基チ囊稰獶盽ぃ骸ぱ琍近纯┯空璝沧基莉у玥きぃ穦ビ叫基瞷さぱ琍近玱焊は焊き沧矗ビ叫基ぱ琍近秆睦パ┮︳璸犁笲Θセ籔龟悔犁笲Θセ畉1,500窾じき碩︳璸せ瞷淮稬莲穕ㄆи-
ミ猭Ыぃ窽借好ぱ琍近恨瞶顶糷北Θセよミ猭Ы癸近そ矗基┮矗ㄑ瞶沮だч㎝计ア獺み
酚近そ箇代ㄏさミ猭Ы硄筁18.9%碩近そ璶―基32%眔キ颗秨やチ囊荡ぃ觅Θ–碩糤布基ㄓ秆∕瞷寸近狝叭拜肈и-
某現┎莱赣籔近そ荷е甶秨╯璹近そゼㄓ祇甶ヘ夹㎝郸菠癸穨叭ぃ耞典罽㏑笲珹╯籠穨祇甶︽┦τぃ莱赣硂贺碩矗蔼布基ㄓ蝴狝叭暗猭
ㄆ龟そ渤︓琌ミ猭Ы癸硂ㄇそユ硄诀篶┮矗ㄑ戈计沮┮ぶ硂ㄇ戈场倒ぉ現┎笲块㎝癩現堡硂ㄢ糵硂ㄇ基计沮筁甧钡Τ闽そ┮矗ㄑ戈计沮挡狦琌羇ㄏ現┎玠搭そセ矗ユ糤碩そご笷︓箇戳厨瞯現┎菏恨ぃ箇代ア非挡狦碞琌蒥チ璶熬蔼Μ禣и-
璶―現┎浪癚瞷糵祘辨镑Τ冈灿戈倒ぉミ猭Ы
セ略朝勉谅谅畊ネ
㏄辩睶┥某璓勉畊ネさぱи-
臛阶某琌皐癸そ犁㎝╬犁诀篶Μ禣覸絯カチネ踞讽и-
睲贰碞穦祇谋某㎝ㄤタ常ぃ琌盢穦跌俱砰τ琌盢坝㎝チネ购睲絬钩暗ネ種碞ぃ琌膀糷碞ぃ疉のチネ產稱瞏糷碞穦フ硂獶龟薄
某璶―現┎挡籔チネΤ闽Μ禣璶―挡そêㄇそ坝初坝め琌ぃ琌ぃ妮チネ拜肈挡狦琌眔酚臮и辨チ囊某睲贰某紇臫翠カそΤ190丁ㄏゑ耕ㄣ砏家そ常ぃ碭丁-
ぃ辨-
寥窥и獺硂琌產瞶秆琌挡狦碞硈碭窾丁灿そ坝め闺紅︓刁カ坝砪常-
祏跌τゴ阑
ㄒ坝穨祅癘禣陪硂﹚ぃチ囊┮量チネΜ禣兜ヘぇず瞷硂兜Μ禣–璶2,250じ栋刮┪ぃ穦硂じ泊ず坝め玱候硂掸窥
и竧较穝安戳丁纯竒砐筁刁カ贝砐筁ぃぶ坝め-
计常は琈ネ種螟暗-
荡计常ぃ現┎癩現肝薄猵︙ご璶溃-
Чぃ砰チ薄
иΤ计稱︗ㄆ笵碞琌る︓せる祏祏るず虫琌у祇㎝箂扳穨そ计ヘ碞パ72 000丁搭ぶ67 000丁るず碞Τ︓ぶ5 000丁そ挡穨產穦粄莱赣ヴパ硂ㄇ坝め︑ネ︑防τぃ莱墩荷秖腊-
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ぃ挡現┎坝穨Μ禣㈱フ弧ΤㄇΜ禣ぃ虫ゎ莱赣挡︓莱赣搭и弧坝穨祅癘禣τи非称祔碞硂拜肈獺癩現璶―搭硂よΜ禣
產常ぃ穦粄翠坝め坝琌翠程对уカチ琌穦竒蕾笆иㄒ计箂扳穨┍綫常琌丁安戳ぶ︓⊿Τ或骋褐ē-
⊿Τ兵ン坝穦ョ⊿Τ丁繰Г笴︽ㄓ舦痲-
斑Τ綼︗﹛㎝ミ猭Ы某砰-
狦硈ミ猭Ы某常ヴパ-
︑ネ︑防︓ゴ阑-
硂琌Τ笻穦そ竡㎝穦そキ
匡羭戳丁常ю阑︑パ囊琌坝囊弧и-
ぃチ丁痚璚и谋眔ゴ阑坝额γ摥硑坝碞﹚琌碔花琌ぃ▆沟琌礚▆坝琌痷タぃチ丁痚璚
璶笵翠Θぇ笵琌翠玦承穨ぃ璸ǒ骋セ"圭蔓馋"弘Θミそ秨綫暗ネ種穦硂紆ぇΤそ㎝坝め-
常ぃ琌或栋刮τ琌砰め琌膀糷カチτ
翠参璸るる腹陪ボу祇箂扳都の皊┍穨せるΤ77 000丁そΤΘ琌せ窾丁琌そ┪琌そ沟ノ198 000ぇ翠璸讽礛碞Τそ灿坝め︑パ囊︓ぶ硂碭窾坝め㎝-
沟礹璚チ囊︑嘿膀糷-
р膀糷购だ暗ネ種膀糷㎝⊿Τ暗ネ種膀糷硂琌痷タ膀糷
暗ネ種ㄤ龟ぃ﹚寥窥寥窥琌ぶ计ぃ恨寥寥ぶ硂痁筁常Τ翠竒蕾癪膍さぱи-
胑纗称-
常Τだ瞷翠現┎ê或Τ窥τカ初獺み痢畓︙и-
玱璶埃-
ぃ琵-
だㄉ︑筁Τだみτ传ㄓ竒蕾Θ狦硂衡ぃ衡琌"ゴЧ翹璶㎝﹟"
иぃ稱р杠肈ц眔び环и稱矗眶┮Τ腹嘿闽みチネ某ヴ︙現┎Μ禣常琌籔チネΤ闽ㄏ琌丁钡Τ闽ョぃ"皐ぃψ"碞讽⊿Τㄆそ超㎝坝常穦ア穨ぃ虫ゎア穨薄猵穦碿て硈щ戈猑ョ穦ゴ阑⊿Τщ戈ア穨カチ碞螟т暗烩そ穿穦糤そ┊秨や糤﹚挡兜Μ禣盿ㄓ畐┬穕ア
иやバ玊某タよ琌璶現┎秖緇纔墩ㄇ挂ぇいカチ坝めや穿ぇも-
琌矪ゴ㎝そЖ羅い丁碝тネ丁某㎝ㄢタ常┛菠酚臮-
舦痲иは癸︓ㄤタи琌やバ玊某タ
ッ笷某璓勉畊ネиチ囊栋い酵酵そ碩拜肈畊ネ蔼硄等蔼ア穨瞯繷иや虫ヲ昂某某矗蔼硄等獺產常種硄等籔ど琌Τ闽硈┬〆穦–ㄢキА秸俱17.5%τそ碩硄等瞯0.4%艼钮ぇ0.4%琌淮稬碩翠Τ250窾そ︘め珿そ紇臫翠きだぇ癸Μτē-
–る獶︘秨やじκじ穦癸-
篶Θ溃
眖きろ计ㄓ┬竝﹗ろ笷31 682﹙35 165﹙传ēぇきる┬竝ろ畉ぃ单羆计ろτ砆┬竝Μそ虫︗ョパ156糤︓きる209ǎㄏ┬〆穦Τ┮孔穿璸购㎝盢兵ン糴ご礛ぃì腊ネΤ螟︘めκじ淮稬穦癸︘め篶Θ溃硂㎝ろ计竊竊ど琌Τ闽玒
稱瞏糷┬〆穦莱そ笲竒犁Θセ害场だ琌玡┮加借ぃ虫琌き︓せ┬〆穦笆ノ30.3货じ蝴㎝玂緄そや┮Τ︘虫︗恏やだぇ
そ借畉琌ぃ琌カチ砫ヴ㎡琌硂妓τ璶蒥チ┯踞狦㎡硂妓暗琌瞶㎡眖àτē┬〆穦き羆Τ150货じ笲緇硂ㄇ窥场だノщ戈癩現ボ┮┬〆穦щ戈獶盽略稸虏虫τē琌玂筁ㄢщ戈厨瞯眗4%ぇ丁筁ㄢ硄等瞯琌9%︓10%传ēぇ150货じ緇琌硄等瞯蔼щ戈厨瞯獽莲籯6货じ┬〆穦Μ窥癸ㄇΤ㎡琌癸そ渤Τ㎡и-
Μ窥竒略稸щ戈よΑぇ–︓ぶ璶籯せ︓货じ硂暗猭琌瞶㎡и辨癩現硂拜肈Τㄇ莱
︗ㄆぃ璶虫σ納さ㎝ゼㄓき┬〆穦盢穦Τ600货じ笲緇パ崩衡琌硄等瞯蔼и-
獽穦籯计货じ硂妓暗猭癸街Τ㎡Μㄇ琌痷癸そ渤Τ㎡
畊ネи-
璸衡筁ㄏ┬〆穦р挡せ︓┮穕アΜ琌4.8货じゑ┬〆穦┮莲籯临璶ぶ
畊ネи-
粄螟┬〆穦そ犁场莱赣砰膀糷蒥チネ螟挡谅谅畊ネ
糕蚌┚某璓勉畊ネさぱи-
笆某硂兜臛阶琌闽現┎竒蕾τ场だミ猭Ы某辨挡禣硂拜肈
и-
臮き翠讽"辅篨基"琌じきà瞷糤︓13じ琌讽ぱ琍近糷Μ禣琌à瞷玥琌じ衡ウ琌じ糤15讽ぺΜ禣àだ琿琌à瞷糤︓じ20き璶т羱80じだ螟狦羱笷400じ妮蔼糷琌獶盽20璸衡瞷羱8,000じ琌炊硄┮计璸產ぃ璶弧眔び"瞒眯"ㄆ龟翠Μ耕ㄤよ蔼琂礛產璶―そ㎝╬犁诀篶挡基и弧ぃパミ猭Ы某カ現Ы某㎝跋某盿繷ぃ璶羱癚阶某羱硂拜肈畉ぃ┮Τ某常弧璶ㄇ弧碩ぃ镑弧璶讽戮某窖瞶パ┮ぃパ某臫莱今材˙琵谋眔ミ猭Ы某琌そ笵瘤礛眔60︗某﹍沧暗τぃ琌璶―暗︑玱⊿Τê或岸
畊ネ翠狝叭常琌パ現┎㎝╬犁诀篶璽砫и種現┎癸琘ㄇ狝叭璶眖穦褐よσㄒ臟㎝臟狦痷璶臮の硂或碞莱赣盿繷搭碩┪ぃ基瘤礛ウ-
琌縒ミ笲疉の穦褐┮癬盿繷ノ碞穦ㄇぃ筁╯澈硂ㄇ琌穦褐ы┪舦㎡狦カチ眔ヴ︙舦現┎璶-
﹚穦だぃ骸ㄆ龟現┎ぃ琌妮羆服┪﹛ぃ筁-
羱耕蔼τ瞷程蔼羱ㄢ︗常ぃ妮現┎そ叭┮и-
ぃр-
讽琌и-
癸ミ瘤礛現┎瞷Τ緇и-
璶候癘翠竒蕾セ琌痢畓狦Τ緇-
弧ウ寥眔狦Τí碞弧ウぃ璽砫ヴ硂妓ぃパ-
讽癩現翠镑暗硂妓現┎╆Τ贺篈碞琌"ノ︑"玥┯踞场だ秨やㄤΜ痲玥璸衡и-
ゲ斗候癘膀セ猭睲贰更現┎瞶癩現郸碞琌璶秖τ硂薄猵穦褐㎝Τ闽基拜肈璶莱σ納
Τ闽╬犁诀篶よウ-
ぃ琌璶毕蕾穦ウ-
琌竒蕾痲㎝カ初痲ㄓ坝穨∕﹚狦-
寥窥τ翠羭︽膚蹿笆-
块и粄硂眔躬纘ㄒ︙–狥地皘单膚蹿笆い常築磏秆舗废よ莉伦硂贺︽琌眔и-
躬纘琌狦ミ猭Ыノ某臛阶璶―挡ち禣┪瞶坝穨∕﹚玥ゼ穦紇臫-
щ戈種饼程沧穕ア程琌顶タи┮弧狦-
щ戈厨ぃㄎ-
ㄤよщ戈碞穦赤ア碞穨诀穦и-
矗某或︽笆﹚璶臮のよτぃ琌弧腊カチは程沧玱╈仓-
畊ネ礚粄翠瞷ア穨瞯耕蔼硂琌俱穦墩跑て┮璓瞷翠Τ15窾產畑赌狦Τ窾產畑包腀種-
盺︗碞穦穦搭淮ア穨诀穦硂ぃ琌计τ琌ㄆ龟瘤礛и弧ㄓぃ尺舧钮ぃ尺舧и璶弧ぃ琌-
︑粄タ絋獽荡癸タ絋︑粄ぃ癸碞琌篡腇狦ぃу硂窾產畑赌ㄓ翠獺ミ獽⊿Τア穨
畊ネさぱи-
癚阶硂兜某㎝兜タ程沧常琌"眔量"癸硂兜某и荡癸ぃ穦やи-
ゲ斗候癘ヴ︙ミ猭Ы臛阶常璶臮のカチ稰稱㎝稰筁捍笆癸產常⊿Τ矪
畊ネи略朝勉
独綺笽某璓勉畊ネさΩ某臛阶Τ︗某矗タだ琌バ玊某朝胞糭某㎝ヴ到圭某セ穦碞︗某タビ瓃チ囊ミ初㎝猭
и-
ぃ穦やバ玊某タ琌バ某盢さぱ某┮皐癸璶ヘ夹锣よи-
矗某ヘ琌辨虑臛阶璶―現┎㎝穦そノㄆ穨诀篶钡ㄣ砰ㄇ︽笆搭淮蒥チ硂蔼硄等㎝蔼ア穨瞯矪挂竒蕾璽踞ㄆ龟埃現┎场蒥チ矗ㄑ狝叭蒥チら盽ネい┮惠场だ狝叭常琌パそ犁┪╬犁そノㄆ穨┮矗ㄑτ硂ㄇそノㄆ穨诀篶珹臟臟淮臟いぺぺぺ猳弚近ぱ琍近翠縊い筿㎝费そ单硂ㄇ诀篶┮矗ㄑ狝叭常琌蒥チ┮ゲ惠礚阶蒥チΤ暗┪タア穨ぃ磷ㄏノ硂ㄇ狝叭狦┮Τそノㄆ穨诀篶︑笆挡Μ禣﹚穦蒥チ钡磃搭淮ネい场だ竒蕾璽踞璶―そ犁㎝╬犁そノㄆ穨诀篶挡Μ禣琌さぱ某ぃぶ吏竊妓チ囊ぃ穦斌挡そ璶―︘そ﹡チА妮Μ蔼ア穨瞯㎝蔼硄等癸-
紇臫程璝礛そ莉眔挡獺ゲ覸絯顶糷蒥チネ璽踞バ某盢и-
某い"璶―挡その璶―璶そ犁㎝╬犁そㄆ穨诀篶︑笆挡布基㎝Μ禣瞷Τキ"场だ埃礚好琌盢и-
矗某種Ч┵и-
チ囊礚猭钡
朝胞糭某タ籔и-
┮笆某⊿Τだ猍だ朝某璶―挡"ㄇΤ緇そノㄆ穨诀篶布基㎝Μ禣"и-
粄ノ"Τ緇"硂阀├蝶﹚挡そノㄆ穨诀篶Μ禣︽㎝瞶籔琌筁琌
()緇籔诀篶竒犁琌Τ琌Τ盞ち闽玒诀篶竒犁瞷莲穕琌恨瞶顶糷竒犁ぃТ到┪琌诀篶┮矗ㄑ狝叭借τ秖瑈ア┮璓璝礛诀篶瞷莲穕琌パ竒犁瞷拜肈蒥チ⊿Τ瞶パ㎝砫ヴ玂毁硂ㄇ诀篶ゲ礛寥ぃ莱赣パ蒥チ璽踞┪やそパτ瞷莲穕
()场だそノㄆ穨诀篶常局Τ盡犁舦τ盡犁舦戳パ计︓计ぃ单诀篶莉眔穝盡犁舦穦猔戈エ肂蹿兜环穨叭祇甶㎝э到狝叭借传ēぇ诀篶穝щ戈戳穦瞷淮稬莲穕眖环àσ納诀篶俱琿盡犁戳ずキА厨瞯玱琌芠璝礛σ納诀篶┪Μや琌Τ緇蝶﹚挡Μ禣非玥チ囊粄琌ぃ︽碞ㄢ琍戳玡ミ猭Ы臛阶挡猳弚近Μ禣ㄒи-
チ囊竒ぃ虫ゎσ納猳弚近き犁笲Τ莲穕σ納ㄤ┕穨罿盢ㄓ祇甶㎝癩叭玡春俱近栋刮癩現猵单蒥チ钡祘の翠竒蕾吏挂讽и-
侯┮Τσ納ご礛谋眔挡猳弚近Μ禣琌︽㎝瞶и-
ぃ穦や"Τ緇"挡そノㄆ穨Μ禣膀娄硂阀├琂絢
パヴ到圭某タ⊿Τ璶―挡╬犁そノㄆ穨诀篶Μ禣и-
ぃ穦やㄆ龟セ翠╬犁そノㄆ穨诀篶┮矗ㄑ狝叭獶盽約獂籔蒥チら盽ネ闽τ硂ㄇ诀篶竒犁莉眔現┎уぉ盡犁舦玂毁-
┮矗ㄑ狝叭Τ﹚蒥初Τ瞯礚好琌-
寥会芠Μи-
粄瞷さ蔼硄等㎝蔼ア穨薄猵琂礛硂ㄇ诀篶筁┕АΤ芠τ挡Μ禣癸-
⊿Τ硑Θ紇臫︙и-
ぃ璶―ウ-
︑笆挡Μ禣㎡
畊ネ現┎琎ぱガ硄等る︓6.6%珿硂挡Μ禣琌⊿Τ惠璶硄等ㄤ龟琌祏戳ま璓τ獶琌环ǐ墩ㄆ龟さ瞯穦禴τ硄等ど癸翠8.7%硄等瞯セ陪蔼玠畓翠膙ゲ斗璶現┎┯空ゴ阑硄等
馋莱某璓勉畊ネиチや挡┮Τ籔チネΤ闽基︑眖ソㄓセ翠竒蕾絯ア穨瞯尿胟ど笷11ㄓ程蔼キ竒蕾絯ゼセ翠蔼硄等盿ㄓ覸絯ノき硄等ご礛蝴蔼キ讽礛琎ぱ現┎そガ硄等琌祏戳瞷禜τ癸蔼硄等蝗︽瞯癸翠カチǒǒ璚璚縩仓ㄓ癩玻︑礛琌ら亥典罽ア穨瞯蔼そぃ耞掉︓氨穨カチ常磓い寸ら瞏┤︑ョΤア穨瓁︽產ネ璸⊿Τ辅硂贺╱Τ蔼硄等蔼ア穨瞯蛮ゴ阑ぇ翠カチネ弧琌κょ現┎のㄤ璶そㄆ穨ぃ耞基琌辅かホチぃ稱ョぃгǎ硂薄猵瞷
翠現┎Г局癩現緇縩籈胑癩現纗称箇璸るら現┎癩現纗称盢穦笷1,510货じ現┎緇㎝纗称ㄓ︑讽礛琌ㄓ︑翠カチ縩仓緇ヘ琌或㎡称ぃぇ惠琂礛窥琌カチ窥ヘ玡竒蕾挂ぇカチ璽踞↖現┎盿繷挡籔チネΤ闽Μ禣㎝そи-
谋眔琌抖瞶Θ彻τ琌薄瞶暗猭安璝瞷現┎ご礛绊基Θぃ跑ê或︽┮孔"ノ︑"玥穦ぱτ
現┎莱赣盿繷挡禣妓そノㄆ穨ョ莱赣挡基︙㎡硂ㄇそノㄆ穨诀篶–常Τ货じ┪柬ウ-
孔翠カチō竒寥ぃぶ窥瞷さ竒蕾吏挂ぃ瞶稱ウ-
Θセ害發硄等瞶パぃ臮翠カチ绊基蝴伦玴柬и粄ぃ阶そ犁┪╬犁そノㄆ穨诀篶常莱赣癸穦Τ膀セ砫ヴ㎝┯踞ぃ莱赣瓜痲τ虫琌發硋そ柬竒蕾吏挂璶寥窥竒蕾吏挂ぃ妓璶寥窥Τ硂妓笵瞶и粄產琂礛Г兵差碞莱赣︵蕾がн吏挂寥ㄇ吏挂ぃ獽ぶ寥ㄇи-
璶―獶蔼琌璶―搭基┪搭ぶㄇΜ禣τ琌挡τ搭淮カチ璽踞鮔穦荷翴穦砫ヴ翴ぃ筁弧硂и礛拘癬琍戳捌┬竝霉璖丛ミ猭Ыざ残そそキだ皌拜肈纯ボ璸衡產畑莱赣俱產畑璸衡и︑谋眔瞷竒蕾吏挂ぃ翠穦莱竤は莱狦┬竝笵瞶琌獺狝杠и獺и-
さぱ璶―現┎そ犁╬犁そ挡禣硂呸胯Θミ
さぱиΤㄇ稰磏翠カチ疭琌膀糷カチ現刮Τ诀穦ミ猭Ыи︑礛辨镑翠カチ痲暗翴ㄆΤ弧チ琌"硔ゲは"и谋眔硂у蝶ぃ镑瞶┦и粄莱赣だㄢよㄓ弧"硔ゲは"琌弧癸и-
チは癸琌êㄇ紇臫穦チネ基チ粄さ琌螟戳獶盽ㄨ珿紇臫チネ基и-
琌﹚穦は癸癸籔チネ礚闽基и-
穦皍薄σ納︓瞶┦籔и稱チ琌獶盽瞶┦и-
禣拜肈Τ玥碞琌カチ程褐钩Ω猳弚近基拜肈チ碞琌硂玥ㄓщ布
チやチ囊挡よ獶盽ぃ┋ウよ砆∕┮и-
⊿Τ匡拒薄猵癶τ―ㄤΩやチ羛册秤礚タ硂妓秤觅猳弚近瞷基14%翠現┎琌︽現旧ミ猭Ы舦Τ诀絫ォぇミ猭ЫΤ诀穦∕そノㄆ穨基硂礚好ㄏ砍灸扯臘琌и-
框狙チ囊某㎝チ羛タ蛮蛮砆∕癸チ囊㎝チ羛碞癸よ某щは癸布и-
ボ獶盽框狙讽墩琌チ囊磝搐ネ炳舦ㄤ∕﹚碞琌程沧∕﹚и粄膀カチ痲チ囊ㄏぃщ觅Θ布︓ぶ莱щ斌舦布挡狦ㄢ囊蛮琌痲猳弚近璚程沧琌カチ
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ョ琌は癸琌璶―挡Τ緇そノㄆ穨Μ禣ēぇ種⊿Τ緇そノㄆ穨碞基и-
粄そノㄆ穨澈礛礚瓜硂丁そ竒犁ョ獶盽ろТ程チョは癸ヴ到圭某タヴ到圭某盢╬犁そノㄆ穨船埃挡Μ禣ぇ某иは癸┮Τタ
PRESIDENT: I now invite Mr SIN Chung-kai to speak for the second time on the amendments to his motion. He has five minutes to speak on the three proposed amendments. Mr SIN Chung-kai, do you wish to speak?
虫ヲ昂某璓勉畊ネи谅谅嘲糠某矗眶и現┎Τ肩緇硂秈˙玃ㄏи-
璶―現┎瞷薄猵暗ㄇ讽礛挡基挡Μ禣琌ㄤい场だ現┎ごるせら癩現箇衡いи-
ユ癩碔だ皌弧︙笲ノウ癩現緇
さぱи-
矗硂某ㄤ龟и-
チ囊┪ㄇやи-
某常竒弧筁挪瞷竒蕾吏挂и-
暗ㄆ薄ぶ材翠じ籔じ本恥闽玒и-
瞯ぃ.....
PRESIDENT: I have listened to your preamble for too long. Would you please come to the amendments?
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ョボи-
篈癸バ玊某タи-
琌⊿猭やτ癸ヴ到圭某タи-
ョ谋眔ㄤ闽╬犁そノㄆ穨よΤЫ┦┮癸硂ㄢタи-
常穦щは癸布︓朝胞糭某タ瘤礛и-
钮筁朝胞糭某秆睦弧êㄇΤ緇そノㄆ穨惠璶挡τêㄇ⊿Τ緇ぃ瞶秆Θ︑笆у基и-
ご礛⊿猭や硂阀├┮碞タщ布チ囊琌ぃ穦や
弧и-
ヘ玡矗某и-
癸現┎莱琌獶盽ぇア辨現┎琌桂Ωи-
矗ウミ初
PRESIDENT: I have given permission to you to speak for the second time, so that you can speak on the amendments. This is not your final reply, you will be given another chance to give your final reply towards the end, after disposing of all the amendments.
虫ヲ昂某иㄆ碞êㄇタ璓勉
FINANCIAL SECRETARY: Mr President, the motion before the Council this evening quotes two problems and two opportunities, and then goes on to suggest a four-part remedy. I must respectfully put it to Members that this construction, though superficially neat and attractive, is not well founded.
First, inflation. At an average of 8.7% for 1995 as a whole, this is still higher than we would like it to be, but as the Secretary for the Treasury has pointed out, it is now heading in the right direction. Certainly, we are no longer in the situation of five years ago when the increase in CPI(A) was well into double digits and seemingly spiralling out of control. The rate is coming down because the resource situation has eased, and also because we have addressed, and continue to address, the bottlenecks that tend to exert upward pressure. The way to keep inflation under control is to maintain that unspectacular, but in the long run, more effective, course.
Second, the unemployment rate. Unemployment is a complex subject, and a problem that the Government takes very seriously. It seems that the rate has stabilized at about 3.5%, which is the envy of most communities in the world but higher than we have become used to. Again, the correct response of our community must be to seek out the appropriate long-term measures, not snatch at "quick fix" palliatives that would only serve to make the situation worse. The theme of long-term economic fundamentals is one to which I will return in my Budget speech in six weeks' time.
The surplus. Unfortunately, for the proposer of the motion, we are in fact expecting a deficit. I shall not go into detail here but this is a matter more appropriately dealt with in the Budget by which time more up-to-date data will be available. Suffice it to say that my predecessor, when presenting the 1995-96 Budget, forecast a deficit of about $2.6 billion. I have no reason at this point to think that will prove very wide off the mark. But I shall not dwell on the point: even if there were a surplus, it would not be correct to use it in the way implied by the motion.
The reserves. Yes, at about $151 billion, our reserves are at a very healthy level. Yes, our public finances are in good shape. Yes, when compared with the chaos we see elsewhere in the world, the Hong Kong community has every right to take pride in its prudent management of the common wealth. No, this is not the right time to fritter away an advantage so hard won.
We have reached the enviable position we have today not by accident, but by design. The Administration has adopted a set of prudent budgetary principles and applied them steadfastly. The community at large, including this Council, has generally supported our common-sense approach. Thus the Government has not pretended it can be all things to all men, making extravagant promises, leaving future generations to pick up the bill. Rather we have attempted with the advice of this Council to prioritize so as to meet the aspirations of the community without breaching the fundamental guideline of living within our means. The International Monetary Fund has recently conducted one of its regular inspections, and once again Hong Kong has passed with flying colours. Their advice on this point exactly matches my own inclinations: Our reserves are there for rainy days, not for cloudy periods.
The Secretary for Transport and the Secretary for Economic Services have pointed to our good fortune in enjoying basically reliable and affordable utility and transport services. Flick the switch, electricity. Turn the tap, fresh water. Pick up the phone, a dialling tone and the ability to call anywhere in the world. Set out to travel, a wide range of reasonably efficient modes. Hong Kong citizens take these and other services for granted and long may they continue to do so. Yet many communities in the region do not have them. Why is this so? I urge Members to pause to reflect for a moment on what it is that makes these services work. As with our public finances, this is not an accident. It is the result of a sensible partnership between the public and the private sector. The Administration, acting on behalf of the public, provides the framework. Private companies provide the services. The result has generally been reasonable prices paid by the consumer and a reasonable profit earned by the investor.
What would be the consequence of moves to artificially suppress profits, or subsidize services from the public purse? We do not have to speculate, we can report from direct observation of communities that have gone down these routes. Without a reasonable profit, there is no new investment and the service declines. This obviously applies to private companies. It tends to apply also but more subtly to public corporations too, because if an operation does not pay its own way, then it ends up competing for resources with other public services. More kidney machines for our hospitals, or more new buses? More computers in school, or more carriages on the MTR train? More welfare facilities, or more modern ferries? And so on. And the result is always the same: the standard of the utility service gradually declines as over the years it loses out in the battle for resources. The commuter who saves 50 cents on his bus fare may thank you tomorrow. But what will he say to you in two years' time when he is walking to work, or at least spending twice as long in the queue? To borrow the analogy used by Miss CHAN Yuen-han, there are not so many Forest GUMs in Hong Kong.
Mr President, I do not propose to repeat all the familiar but sound arguments on fees and charges, or on public housing rents. These have been well covered by the Secretary for the Treasury and the Secretary for Housing. In conclusion, let me just say this.
No one doubts the motives of those who want to improve the livelihood of our community. After all, that is one of the prime objectives of the Government too. What is at issue is how best to do so. At a time when the economy is facing challenges on many fronts and growing more slowly, I can well understand Members' frustration: indeed I share it. But we have to recognize that this is the low point of the economic cycle. That despite this, we still maintain a respectable growth of about 5%, with inflation easing and unemployment stabilized. And that provided we hold true to our economic and budgetary principles, we can and will maintain the steady growth that will improve the livelihood of all in Hong Kong.
With these remarks, I urge Members to oppose the motion in any form.
PRESIDENT: Mr James TIEN has given notice to move an amendment to the motion. His amendment has been printed on the Order Paper and circularized to Members. I now call on him to move his amendment.
MR JAMES TIEN's amendment to MR SIN CHUNG-KAI's motion:
"埃"硄等蔼ア穨瞯尿胟ど""竒蕾絯硄等のア穨瞯蔼"埃"緇㎝"埃"籔チネΤ闽Μ禣㎝そョ璶―璶そ犁の╬犁そㄆ穨诀篶︑笆挡布基㎝Μ禣瞷Τキ戳""兜現┎Μ禣"の"搭淮カチ↖ネ璽踞""縀竒蕾の糤碞穨诀穦""
バ玊某璓勉畊ネи笆某タ虫ヲ昂某某タず甧某ㄆ祘ずи┮更
Question on Mr James TIEN's amendment proposed and put.
Voice vote taken.
THE PRESIDENT said he thought the "Noes" had it.
Mr James TIEN claimed a division.
PRESIDENT: Council shall proceed to a division.
PRESIDENT: I would like to remind Members that they are now called upon to vote on the question that the amendment moved by Mr James TIEN be made to Mr SIN Chung-kai's motion. Will Members please register their presence by pressing the top button and then proceed to vote by choosing one of the three buttons below?
PRESIDENT: Before I declare the result, Members may wish to check their votes. I think we are still one short of the head count. The result will now be displayed.
Mr Allen LEE, Mrs Selina CHOW, Mr Edward HO, Mrs Miriam LAU, Mr Henry TANG, Mr Howard YOUNG and Mr James TIEN voted for the amendment.
Mr Martin LEE, Mr SZETO Wah, Dr LEONG Che-hung, Mr Albert CHAN, Mr CHEUNG Man-kwong, Mr CHIM Pui-chung, Mr Frederick FUNG, Mr Michael HO, Dr HUANG Chen-ya, Miss Emily LAU, Mr LEE Wing-tat, Mr Fred LI, Mr James TO, Dr Philip WONG, Dr YEUNG Sum, Mr WONG Wai-yin, Miss Christine LOH, Mr CHAN Kam-lam, Mr CHAN Wing-chan, Miss CHAN Yuen-han, Mr Andrew CHENG, Dr Anthony CHEUNG, Mr CHEUNG Hon-chung, Mr Albert HO, Mr IP Kwok-him, Mr LAU Chin-shek, Mr Ambrose LAU, Dr LAW Cheung-kwok, Mr LAW Chi-kwong, Mr LEE Kai-ming, Mr Bruce LIU, Mr MOK Ying-fan, Miss Margaret NG, Mr NGAN Kam-chuen, Mr SIN Chung-kai, Mr TSANG Kin-shing, Dr John TSE and Mr YUM Sin-ling voted against the amendment.
Mr Eric LI abstained.
THE PRESIDENT announced that there were seven votes in favour of the amendment and 38 votes against it. He therefore declared that the amendment was negatived.
PRESIDENT: Now that we have disposed of Mr James TIEN's amendment, Miss CHAN Yuen-han may formally move her amendment now so that Members may take a vote on it.
MISS CHAN YUEN-HAN's amendment to MR SIN CHUNG-KAI's motion:
"埃"籔チネΤ闽Μ禣㎝""そ""㎝籔チネ钡闽現┎Μ禣"埃"璶""Τ緇"の埃"瞷Τキ""
朝胞糭某璓勉畊ネи笆某タ虫ヲ昂某某タず甧某ㄆ祘ずи┮更
Question on Miss CHAN Yuen-han's amendment proposed and put.
Voice vote taken.
THE PRESIDENT said he thought the "Noes" had it.
Mr James TIEN claimed a division.
PRESIDENT: Council shall proceed to a division.
PRESIDENT: I would like to remind Members that they are now called upon to vote on the question that the amendment moved by Miss CHAN Yuen-han be made to Mr SIN Chung-kai's motion. Will Members please register their presence by pressing the top button and then proceed to vote by choosing one of the three buttons below?
PRESIDENT: Three short..... two short. Before I declare the result, Members may wish to check their votes. Are there any queries? The result will now be displayed.
Miss Emily LAU, Mr CHAN Kam-lam, Mr CHAN Wing-chan, Miss CHAN Yuen-han, Mr CHENG Yiu-tong, Mr CHEUNG Hon-chung, Mr IP Kwok-him, Mr LEE Kai-ming and Mr NGAN Kam-chuen voted for the amendment.
Mr Allen LEE, Mrs Selina CHOW, Mr Edward HO, Mrs Miriam LAU, Dr LEONG Che-hung, Mr CHIM Pui-chung, Mr Frederick FUNG, Mr Eric LI, Mr Henry TANG, Dr Philip WONG, Mr Howard YOUNG, Miss Christine LOH, Mr James TIEN, Mr Albert HO, Mr Ambrose LAU, Dr LAW Cheung-kwok, Mr Bruce LIU, Mr MOK Ying-fan, Miss Margaret NG and YUM Sin-ling voted against the amendment.
Mr Martin LEE, Mr SZETO Wah, Mr Albert CHAN, Mr CHEUNG Man-kwong, Mr Michael HO, Dr HUANG Chen-ya, Mr LEE Wing-tat, Mr Fred LI, Mr James TO, Dr YEUNG Sum, Mr WONG Wai-yin, Mr Andrew CHENG, Dr Anthony CHEUNG, Mr LAU Chin-shek, Mr LAW Chi-kwong, Mr SIN Chung-kai, Mr TSANG Kin-shing and Dr John TSE abstained.
THE PRESIDENT announced that there were nine votes in favour of the amendment and 20 votes against it. He therefore declared that the amendment was negatived.
PRESIDENT: Now that we have disposed of Miss CHAN Yuen-han's amendment, Mr YUM Sin-ling may formally move his amendment now so that Members may take a vote on it.
MR YUM SIN-LING's amendment to MR SIN CHUNG-KAI's motion:
"埃"の╬犁"の"瞷Τキ"の"戳""せるら︓るら""
ヴ到圭某璓勉畊ネи笆某タ虫ヲ昂某某タず甧某ㄆ祘ずи┮更
Question on Mr YUM Sin-ling's amendment proposed and put.
Voice vote taken.
THE PRESIDENT said he thought the "Noes" had it.
Mr James TIEN claimed a division.
PRESIDENT: Council shall proceed to a division.
PRESIDENT: I would like to remind Members that they are now called upon to vote on the question that the amendment moved by Mr YUM Sin-ling be made to Mr SIN Chung-kai's motion. Will Members please register their presence by pressing the top button and then proceed to vote by choosing one of the three buttons below?
PRESIDENT: Before I declare the result, Members may wish to check their votes. Are there any queries? I think we are one short of the head count. The result will now be displayed.
Mr YUM Sin-ling voted for the amendment.
Mr Allen LEE, Mrs Selina CHOW, Mr Martin LEE, Mr SZETO Wah, Mr Edward HO, Mrs Miriam LAU, Dr LEONG Che-hung, Mr Albert CHAN, Mr CHEUNG Man-kwong, Mr CHIM Pui-chung, Mr Frederick FUNG, Mr Michael HO, Dr HUANG Chen-ya, Miss Emily LAU, Mr LEE Wing-tat, Mr Eric LI, Mr Fred LI, Mr Henry TANG, Mr James TO, Dr Philip WONG, Dr YEUNG Sum, Mr Howard YOUNG, Mr WONG Wai-yin, Miss Christine LOH, Mr James TIEN, Mr CHAN Kam-lam, Mr CHAN Wing-chan, Mr Andrew CHENG, Mr CHENG Yiu-tong, Dr Anthony CHEUNG, Mr CHEUNG Hon-chung, Mr Albert HO, Mr IP Kwok-him, Mr LAU Chin-shek, Mr Ambrose LAU, Dr LAW Cheung-kwok, Mr LAW Chi-kwong, Mr LEE Kai-ming, Mr Bruce LIU, Mr MOK Ying-fan, Miss Margaret NG, Mr NGAN Kam-chuen, Mr SIN Chung-kai, Mr TSANG Kin-shing and Dr John TSE voted against the amendment.
THE PRESIDENT announced that there was one vote in favour of the amendment and 45 votes against it. He therefore declared that Mr YUM Sin-ling's amendment was negatived.
PRESIDENT: Mr SIN Chung-kai, you are now still entitled to reply and you have four minutes 15 seconds out of your original 15 minutes.
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某и-
癸現┎莱ボぃ骸琌現┎琌Ω矗ウ癸и-
┮莱挡ぃ琌よ猭иョぃ現┎瞷矗或よ猭禗и-
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Question on the original motion put.
Voice vote taken.
THE PRESIDENT said he thought the "Ayes" had it.
Mr James TIEN claimed a division.
PRESIDENT: Council shall proceed to a division.
PRESIDENT: I would like to remind Members that they are now called upon to vote on the question that the motion moved by Mr SIN Chung-kai as set out on the Order Paper be approved. Will Members please register their presence by pressing the top button and then proceed to vote by choosing one of the three buttons below?
PRESIDENT: Before I declare the result, Members may wish to check their votes. Are there any queries? The result will now be displayed.
Mr Martin LEE, Mr SZETO Wah, Mr Albert CHAN, Mr CHEUNG Man-kwong, Mr Frederick FUNG, Mr Michael HO, Dr HUANG Chen-ya, Miss Emily LAU, Mr LEE Wing-tat, Mr Fred LI, Mr James TO, Dr YEUNG Sum, Mr WONG Wai-yin, Mr Andrew CHENG, Dr Anthony CHEUNG, Mr CHEUNG Hon-chung, Mr Albert HO, Mr LAU Chin-shek, Dr LAW Cheung-kwok, Mr LAW Chi-kwong, Mr Bruce LIU, Mr MOK Ying-fan, Mr SIN Chung-kai, Mr TSANG Kin-shing and Dr John TSE voted for the motion.
Mr Allen LEE, Mrs Selina CHOW, Mr Edward HO, Mrs Miriam LAU, Dr LEONG Che-hung, Mr CHIM Pui-chung, Mr Eric LI, Mr Henry TANG, Dr Philip WONG, Mr Howard YOUNG, Miss Christine LOH, Mr James TIEN, Mr CHAN Kam-lam, Mr CHAN Wing-chan, Mr CHENG Yiu-tong, Mr IP Kwok-him, Mr Ambrose LAU, Miss Margaret NG and Mr NGAN Kam-chuen voted against the motion.
Mr LEE Kai-ming and Mr YUM Sin-ling abstained.
THE PRESIDENT announced that there were 25 votes in favour of the motion and 19 votes against it. He therefore declared that the original motion was carried.
ADJOURNMENT AND NEXT SITTING
PRESIDENT: In accordance with Standing Orders I now adjourn the Council until 2.30 pm on Wednesday 31 January 1996.
Adjourned accordingly at twelve minutes past Eight o'clock.
Annex to Question 14
Ref.: SPA 1/32(C)(94) Government Secretariat
Hong Kong
9 January 1996
CIVIL SERVICE BRANCH CIRCULAR No. 3/96
AIDS - Education and Policy in the Civil Service
To : Branch Secretaries c.c. Judiciary Administrator
Heads of Departments
(Note: Distribution of this circular is Scale A, i.e. it should be read by all staff in the civil service. A Chinese version is attached.)
Purpose
The purpose of this Circular is to:
(a) promulgate the civil service policy on AIDS;
(b) recommend courses of action to be taken by departments/branches in respect of education and promotion of HIV/AIDS awareness among staff and the management.
Background
2. Like many major employers in Hong Kong, the Government has become a signatory to the Hong Kong Community Charter on AIDS (Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome). The Charter was initiated by the AIDS Unit of the Department of Health and Lions Clubs International. Its main objectives are to enhance AIDS awareness and to encourage adoption of non-discriminatory policy in the workplace.
HIV/AIDS Policy in the Civil Service
3. It is recognised that effective ways to stop the spreading of HIV (Human Immunodeficiency Virus) are to promote awareness, to educate, and to show concern. These are also the key to maintaining a workplace free of unjustified fears. Having regard to the fact that HIV is not transmitted through casual personal contact under normal working conditions, the following HIV/AIDS policy for the civil service will be adopted by the Administration -
(a) We will not undertake screening for HIV/AIDS on serving officers or potential employees.
(b) We recognise an individual's right of confidentiality of medical information. However, we encourage staff members to discuss with their departmental management and seek professional help whenever necessary. Strict confidentiality is kept in these processes.
(c) We will provide reasonable accommodation, as required, to the work duties of infected staff should they wish to seek assistance from the departmental management.
(d) We will not discriminate against HIV infected staff and accordingly will continue to provide employment in accordance with the provisions of the Civil Service Regulations.
(e) We will educate the staff on the subject of HIV infection.
Courses of Action to be taken
4. The Administration will promote HIV/AIDS awareness among the staff and provide education in order that there is a full appreciation of the precautions that need to be taken to prevent infection and of the absence of risk of infection in normal workplace situations. In this connection, departmental managements are requested to make the following arrangements:
(a) designate a senior officer (e.g. the departmental Staff Welfare Officer) to coordinate the implementation of the policy in paragraph 3 above in the department, including the handling in confidence, of AIDS related enquiries from the staff and referral of cases for medical advice as necessary;
(b) arrange education programmes, e.g. workshops/seminars on AIDS for staff through staff clubs or staff associations if possible, and for supervisors at the middle and senior management levels in departments. If possible, the topic should be included as part of the departmental programme on occupational health.
For medical advice and assistance in AIDS education, please contact Dr S S Lee or medical/nursing staff of the AIDS Unit of the Department of Health (tel. no. 2780 8622)
Enquires
5. Enquiries on the contents of this Circular should be directed to the Departmental Secretary in the first instance, who, in case of doubt, may contact Mrs Iris Cheng, SEO(M) of the Management Division of Civil Service Branch (tel. no. 2810 3565).
PATRICK L C LAU
for Secretary for the Civil Service
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