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(iii) «The Genscher Declaration>>
Kinsman saw advantage in a declaration between the Community and Canada whether or not the NATO Summit provided some grand restatement of Atlantic principles. He had not thought through whether there should be separate US/EC and Canada/EC declarations, though thought it inevitable that the consultation mechanisms would be bilateral rather than trilateral. The thought emerged in the course of our discussion that it might be possible to have a trilateral declaration (on the grounds that the basic principles would be the same) which could then point to many different mechanisms of consultation and working together: eg intra-Community, US/Canada, US/EC and Canada/EC. It may be worth asking the Department whether there are any thoughts they would like us to put in to the Canadians before thinking here proceeds much further.
(iv) Two plus Four
General de Chastelain has whinged about two plus four recently both to Delmar and to the visiting Chief Scientist from the MOD, Professor Oxburgh. It may therefore be worth recording that Kinsman did not say a word about it - perhaps because, on a personal basis at least, he seems to be involved in as much consultation as he can manage.
(v) Communications Security
Kinsman said that he had valued the opportunity to discuss with Messrs Moss and Hodge possible ways of saving a bit of money. He went on to say that it was possible that some Canadian posts, eg in Africa, would move over to a confidential fax rather than a fully secure method of communications. I said on a personal basis that this might work perfectly well for most of the year, but could leave one rather stuck if a real emergency cropped up - eg something that needed to be communicated quickly over terrorism. I encouraged Kinsman to come back to me if he felt that an arrangement with us that we would do our best to help out in any such cases might be helpful by way of an insurance
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policy though I stressed that I could not in any way speak for the experts in London.
(vi) Difficult Issues
Kinsman in conclusion said that he wanted to raise two areas where he though that there might be difficult problems between us: South Africa and Hong Kong.
On South Africa, I briefed him about the Tomkys/Perron talks and said that Tomkys had come away impressed at the extent to which our basic analysis was the same.
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