30 part of the process of trying to bring about a chang* Vietnam, and getting them out of Cambodia, the proC&S$
Chem See what's happening and letting everybody else see what" happening
A resuit of this isolation. So I don't think It would be a good idea to change it. Nor do I think it would be a good idea
• change our policy toward Cuba right now, other than the sorts of ings that we're doing.
CHAIRMAN SIMPSON: I was just thinking of Some senior level diplomatic probing, which might bring about results and reeducation of peopley and ODP, and the things that seem
SECRETARY SHULTZ :
CHAIRMAN SIMPSON:
That, we're doing. That, we're doing.
You don't have any objection to that kind of
probing.
SECRETARY SHULTZ:
No, sir m
CHAIRMAN SIMPSON:
And indeed, there aren't many countries On the face of the earth that we just have no diplomatic relations with. Libya, Albania maybe, North Korea
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SECRETARY SHULTZ: Just ન few cases. And I think on the whole we shouldn't hesitate to have a diplomatic post in places where We have deep disagreements.
they
CHAIRMAN SIMPSON: Well, in my 7-1/2 years, we have the same problems, and go over and over and over them. And so the isolation, maybe-- You know, I have the greatest admiration and respect for you. It's good that I'm not on the Foreign Relations Committee, would have thrown me off of there. (Laughter) -- But if they don't get solved, it seems to me somebody ought to try solving them. Because you're asking for reeducation, and we want to do this, and We want to do that. But we don't get much talking done.
SENATOR KENNEDY: Will my colleague yield for a minute?
CHAIRMAN SIMPSON: Yes.
SENATOR SIMON: It does seem to me, in the case of Vietnam and Cuba, it is very easy to yield to the national passion rather than the national interest. The national interest ought to be to woo them away from the Soviet Union. I think by yielding to the national passion, and excluding them, we do just the opposite. That's just
one observer.
SECRETARY SHULTZ: I don't think I'm yielding to a national passion here. I'm just telling you what I think in my most objective
manner.
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CHAIRMAN SIMPSON: Mr. Secretary, I want to thank you very much, I know your schedule, you're overdue. I
some of your staff jerking their chairs around. (Laughter)
Thank you.
I want
to
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