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SPITTING!

PROPOSED NEW BY-LAW DISCUSSED BY

SANITARY BOARD.

CAN THE HABIT BE STOPPED?

The suggested new by-law to make spitting in public places illegal was the cause of a long argument at the meeting of the Sanitary Board yesterday. The general concensus of opinion among the Chinese members appeared to be that the realisation a shib- of when and where expectoration was permissable was boleth of the eduented, and that the coolie class could not be expected to realise the nature of his offence Legislation in the opinion of Dr. S. W, Tso was useless and he added "if the by-law is to be a dead letter it is better to be without it." Mr. J. P. Braga said that 20 per cent of the Chinese population of Hong Kong was illiterate and that the posting of bills and distribution of leaflets as had been suggested would, accomplish nothing.

An extract from a treatise prepared by Dr. H. E. Scott on Dr. "Tuberculosis read by 'Mr. Carrie also caused an argument. Scott maintained that comparatively little damage was done by the habit of spitting in the open, and it was the spitting in the privacy of a man's own house which was the source of most in- fection. Dr. W. V. M..Koch said he very much doubted if this were true and pointed out that the drying effect of the sun and air did much to disseminate the germs.

He suggested that a committee re- presenting the 1.M.C.A. and St. John Ambulance Brigade should be formed to undertake these public demonstrations..

WAR MEMORIAL.

DEFINITE PLANS FOR NURSING HOME.

THE KELLET RIDGE SITE.

OFFICIAL STATEMENT.

.The War Memorial Nursing Home, about which there has been so much talk and so many delays of a nature rather incomprehen sible to the general public, is to be erected in the acar future on Kellett Ridge. Two lots of land covering a total area di 80,000 feet Have been purchased on Kellett Road not very fac.from the Matilda Hospital, and it to hoped to begin | levelling operations at an early date.

NEW MOTOR ROAD.

The plot lies between two exist ing roads one, it has not yet been decided which, is to be widened for motor traffic so that it will serve both the Matilda and the New Nursing Home. The plans have not yet been finally decided upon but there is a suggestion which" may very possibly be 'necepted of a long narrow ont storey building, not More Dangerous?.

unlike an elongated Greek temple Mr. W. J. Carrie (Chairman) said with its row of plain pillars run- the whole length that the discussion had originaed ning almost

resolution sabmitted by Should future requirements make it Dr. Koch few weeks ago, thecessary & second storey could be reply to which had that day been added. received from the Government. The Medical Officer of Health having received this spur had made a few suggestions to him (Mr. Carrie),

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on December 18th, 1924, it was re- WHAT THE LAW PERMITS. ported that the levelling of the site had been finished.

At a further meeting on May 1st, 1995, the plans and fenders which had been called for were discussed. It was decided that the funds in' hand were insufficient to commerce the building as designed, and that the position should be advised to the late Sir. C. P. Chater who had shortly before proceeded to Lon don. It was pointed out that it would he sonic time before the Government could complete the

rommence

CAN IT BE IMMORAL SOLICITOR'S ARGUMENT IN

HOTEL ASIA CASE.

An application was made by Mr. F. H. Loseby at the Kowloon Magis tracy for the re-hearing of the case in which the Manager of the Asia Hotel was fined 830 for permitting his premises to be used for immoral purposes.

approach rond and that building Mr Loselemarked that the de- operations could not in any case fendants should have the advantage until that road was of professional assistance. which they did not have at the original finished.

hearing, and that the witnesses for the prosecution should be subjected to cross-examination. Several points of the law governing Hotels should also be argued

The strike and boycott com. menced in June, 1925, and the whole proposition was left in abeyance.

Since 1923 when it was realised that funds were insufficient to carry out the Stubbs Rand scheme, much

on alternative sites and schemes.

KELLETT RIDGE: Eventually as a meeting of the War Memorial Committee on July plans for the erection of a Nursing 11th, 1997, it was decided to adopt.

Mr. W. Schofield who beard the the licensee of the Hotel was re sponsible for the actions of the staff. but Mr. Loseby replied that' it was essential to show that the licensee had knowledge of the ac

tions committed.

It is understood that the Nursing Home will be for all classes of tion between spitting and tuber- English people and that several for 1908 and found the subject bad other wards charges will be made. It was dis- The patients will be attended by been discussed then. cussed again by the Board between their own doctors. The War Me 1022-23 nad 150,000 pamphlets had morial Nursing Home is to be sell. been distributed. He had also supporting, and estimates of the

The Hotal Register, found an extract from a paper pre- cost of maintenance are being pre-

The Magistrate then questioned pared by Dr. H. E. Scott on pared with data supplied by the tuberculosis in Hong Kong. Dr. Matilda Hospital.. Sufficient money Home on n, site on the Kellett Mr. "Loseby regarding the Hotel

will be left after the building is Scott had pointed out that expecto,

originally planned; and at a subse that he could not see any legal ration was the direct cause of completed to endow the bocie ule-Ridge, on a smaller scale than register, and Mr. Loseby replied The following statement has been quent meeting on October 31st, 1927, offence in a European going to an it was further decided to nequire hotel with a Chinese girl. If it tuberculosis but he had said that quately. spitting on the floors of rooms

the properties comprising R. B. Lots was an offence this should be clear- ly laid down and made public and where people lived was more dan-issued to the press by the War gerous than spitting out of doors. Memorial Committee, which now Even if it were stopped in public comprises Mr. N. S. Brown (Chair 61 and 62.

This has now been accomplished, the practice stopped. Mr. Loseby no deterrent man). the Hon. Mr. R. D. F. Beith, places there was

were sent there merely to trap the management. against pitting indoors. This, said the Hon. Mr. A. C. Hynes, Mr. and it is hoped to commence level.also complained that the soldiers Mr. Caple, was the strongest argu- . M. Grayburn, Mr. T. G. Weall,ling operations and building at aa went against the proposed by-law. the. Hon. Mr. W. E' L. Shenton, and early date,

"to the lecturer. W. H. Bell. With reference scheme suggested by Dr. Ho he felt that it did not do much to solve the problem as the man in- telligent enough to go to a lecture and understand it would be in realise the telligent enough to danger of spitting. The education of the rising generation was the one hope,

DIFFERENCES OF OPINION.

Up to 1921 there was considerable divergence of opinion, as to what form the Colony's War Memorial should take. In March, 1921, it was decided to erect a memorial model- led as closely as possible to the Centaph in Whitehall. This was eventually anveiled in 1923.

Later in 1021 the idea of a

Mr. Losdy further argued that there was no evidence that the rooms in question were hired for an immoral purpose or that the-girls were, of immoral character.

Mr. Schofield Insp. Shannon's evidence showed that.

Mr. Loseby That evidence should not have been accepted. The In- spector's opinion on that matter is

Not Too Strictly Enforced. Mr. W. J. Carrie (Chairman) said that the Medical Offeer of Health had prepared a minute suggesting an Ordinance making expectoration. in public places illegal. Personally he thought it would be a pity, be enose although it had been attempt ed in the past, and withdrawn. there had beep a noticeable change in the habits of the people for the better, and the Chinese were now very apprehensive about the ill effects of spitting. He thought that a by law of this nature need not be at first rigorously adhered to and that commonsense and latitude I might be allowed. He was strongly culosis. He had looked up the files free wards will be provided: in the time has been spent in deliberating case pointed out to Mr. Loseby that. in favour, however, of a by-law making expectoration illegal i public conveyances and on the side walks. If this by-law were enacted it might seem very hard, but the knowledge that expectoration was a dangerous habit would stick in the minds of the people. The would realise that it was not only illegal and offensive but unhealthy. Imitation played a great part in such matters, one, man spat be- cause he saw another do so, but if many were constrained from fear of punishment or knowledge of the danger, others would follow suit.

90% Of Hong Kong Chinese Illierata.

The Committee trust that the "Mr. J. P. Braga said that he

foregoing will convey some iden" of was one of the members of the Board who had asked that the

the vicissitudes through which the The

Nursing Home scheme has passed. question should be discussed.

Delay has followed deiny, mad con- Medical Officer of Health had a minute in favour of the enactment of the by-law in question. From a

tributory causes thereto are mani. fold. Legal formalities have. ne- medical point of view there was everything to be said in its favour,

counted for much time and the ever

but they must rely more on educa

changing membership of the War Memorial Committee, has retarded

Mr. Loseby continued to argue tion. The City of Hong Kong had

matters to a great extent: until evidence. sonic definite scheme was adopted that what was permitted by the Time A Start Was Made. 90 per cent. of illiterate people,

the Committee of Management who had not reached the educn-¡

The Medical Officer of Health tional standard at which they could enforce the penalties enacted for (Dr. G. W. Pope) said that 90 per Memorial Nursing Home or Hos- could not function. Steps have been law was not immoral. Therefore spitting on the roads." The public cent. of the children of the Colony i pital was mooted and energetically taken to form the Trustees of the could not be an offence for one did not attend school and so would, supported by the late Sir Paul Homie into "a body corporate, and

Mr. Schofield: It might be an 'buses and; ferries, etc.-had their own by-laws learn nothing there about hygiene. Chater and the War Memorial it is the hope of the Committee, person and not for another, against the habit and posters ex- It was not so long ago that spitting Committee. In October, 1921, Sir that the period of indecision offence in one place and not in an

It bad Reginald Stubbs promised to re- past, and that the work entrusted Were the was prevalent at Home. plaining the reason. Board to enact a by-law making been practically stopped there and commend the Council to provide a to them by subscribers to the fund it an offence to spit in public places it was time A start was made here. site for such a hospital and to sub-will be completed as rapidly ng much of the time of the police it had been said in the course of scribe a sum of $200,000. This was possible. would be diverted from their other the discussion that the police were eventually paid and the fund for duties to taking affenders to the nearly as great offenders as the Police Station. He would prefer Chinese coolies, and if the by-law to see the people educated up to were concted it would be the duty of those in charge of the police to the pitch of understanding. suggested that hand bills should be draw their attention to this fact, posted on the lamp standards, in and also to the necessity of enforc the market and on the ferries and ing the law on others. Dr. Scott was right in his statement regard- wharves. He was in favour of a

in the comparative danger of spitting in or out of doors but he did not.ugree that that meant that a law against spitting in public places was useless. The man who could refrain from spitting in public Dr. S. W. Tso said what they would in course of time cease to wanted to prevent people spit in his own home and not allow spitting in public places. He any one else to do so... The whole thought the notices already posted thing must be done gradually. in public vehicles and on the ferries Dr. Koch: "Does Dr. Scott say were obeyed. These notices were in his report that spitting in the in the nature of an education for house is more dangerous than out the masses, they explained the of doors?" reason for the by-laws and he Mr. Carrie: Yes, be "did" thought the majority of the people The extract in question having realised the danger of the practice enacted against. It would never be been read to the meeting by the effective to try to force the people. Chairman, Dr. Koch said, "I very to change their habits by law. much doubt if that is correct"

The M.O.H.. "I agree." Every man should look after the

Spitting In The Street. people. in bis employ in his own offices and home and try to educate

Dr. Koch anid that spit lying in them against spitting. If an em-

the open, was dried by the action ployer were to dismiss any man

of sun and air and the germs were

Dr. Pearce's Book On Hygiene. who spat he would have to carry carried by the wind. People could

The only other business was the on his business by himself; he could not help breathing them in, and if only teach them the objectionable they had a tendency to the disease reply from the Director of Eden- nature of the habit. Nothing could they would catch tuberculosis. tion to the question, asked by Dr. be done except by education. If Indoor spitting was not so danger. W. V. M. Koch at the last meeting, the by-law were to become a dead ous as it was either into spittoons as to what book was used for the letter it was better to be without

conveyances-trams,

He

permanent appeal rather than span modie campaigns of propaganda such as had been tried in the past. Habits Cannot Be Changed

it.

By L.W.

WILS

Lectures And Cinematograph Pictures,

on or a Boor which in Chinese houses is generally damp. It would not be brushed and disturbed but might possibly be washed awny.

Mr. Carrie: You cannot make by law to forbid spitting on the The M.O.H." Why not!" Pavements, but not on the road."

Dr. 8. C. Ho said that, they all agreed that education was the only method. Just putting up notices was not going to do everything

Tuberculosis Incrensing. sinec a large proportion of the people concerned could not read

Mr. Wong Kwong Tin asked the It would be better to have lectures, M.O.H. if the figures for tuber- illustrated by magic lantern slides culosis had increased. He said he or cinematograph pictures, showing believed that the people realised the germs and the terrible effects the danger and that public spitting of tuberculosis, given in public had been abated, and that there places. These would make an effect was no cause for alarm. which would not casily be forgotten. (Continued on next Columin).

the erection of a Nursing Home was further augmented in 1922 by con- tributions from the estate of the late Granville Sharp.

STUBBS ROAD SITE.

The Government offered a site on Stubbs Road which was, duly accepted, and at a meeting of sub- scribers on April 18th. 1923, the late Sir Paul Chater outlined the scheme and invited subscriptions.

Work was commenced on the site and at a meeting of the Commitee ...(Continued on next Column),

The M.O.H.: "The figures have gone up."

"

Mr. Wong Kwong Tin: "If the figures have gone up is not that due to the increase population!"

Dr. S. W. Tso remarked that the meeting did not appear to have & grasp of Chinese psychology. If you asked a Chinese politely to re- frain from spitting he would do so; but he would not alter his babit because of a law.

The discussion was adjourned to the next meeting.

teaching of bygiene in the schools of the Colony.

The book is the third edition of a course of hygiene prepared by: Dr. W. W. Pearce in 1904. There! is a Chinese translation which, it is believed, was prepared by Bir Ksi Ho Kai.

Those 'Fresent,'

. TRUSTEES.

The Nursing Home is governed by Articles, which provide inter alin

that:

(n) The Home is instituted as part of the Hong Kong War Memorial Scheme and is to be carried on in the interests of the Community and without any view to profit,

prostitution was'not immoral! It

other:

Mr. Loseby: What the law per... mits cannot be immoral!

His Worship granted the applica tian the case will be re-heard on July 5th.

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MISS GLADYS COOPER.

ANGER AT REPORT OF ENGAGEMENT.

LONDON, May 31st.

(b) The property of the Home of whatever description, shall be

A report was published in a vested in the following trustees: London evening newspaper that (1) The Managing Director in Mise Gladys Cooper, the actress, in Hong Kong for the time to marry Sir Neville Pearson next being of Jardine, Matheson & month. Co., Ltd.

A Daily Mail reporter who called

(2) The senior representative in at the Cardiff theatre at which Miss Hong Kong for the time being Cooper is playing this week was of John Swire & Sons, Ltd. informed that she was so angry at (Messrs Butterfield & Swire). the publication of the report that (3) The Chief Manager for the she declined to see anybody or to

time being of the Hong Kong discuss it in any way. and Shanghai Banking Cor- poration.' (4) The Trustees for the time being of the Will of the late Mr. Granville Sharp from whose estate a large propor tion of the funds is, with the sanction of the Court, deriv- ed.

MANAGEMENT OF HOME.

(c) The Home shall be under the direction of a Committee of Management consisting of

(1) The Trustees of the Home. (2) A Government official to be

nominated by the Governor. (3) The Chairman for the time being of the Hong Kong General Chamber of Com

merge.

(4)- Two members to bo co-opted apnually by the Committee to serve for one year.",

The Press Association received a telegram from Miss Cooper describ ing the report as entirely un- authorised.'"

Sir Neville Pearson, who has arrived in England from Kenya, telephoned to the same news agency from Bixholme Court, near Dork--.. ing, Surrey, the following state-

ment:

There is no truth in the report of Miss Gladys Cooper's engage- ment to me published in an ever- ing paper this evening.

Miss Cooper shares with me tho deepest resentment at the im pertinence and impropriety of papers issuing completely un-· authorised statements of" thie nature.

Miss Gladys Cooper obtained a divorce from her husband, Captain Herbert Buckmaster, in 1923. She has two children, a son, John, aged 13, and a daughter, Joan, aged 19, hs at present constituted the Sir Neville Pearson was granted Mr. WJ. Carrie (Chairman), the Hon. Mr. W. T. Creasy, C.B.E., Committee of Management com- a decree niti on November 25th, Messrs. J. P. Braga and Wong prises: Mr. N. B. Brown (Chair-1927, from his wife, a daughter of Kwong, Tin, Dr G. W. Pope man), the Hon. Mr. B. D. F. Sir Alfred Mond. The decree be- (Medical Officer of Health), Dr. S. Beith, the Hon. Mr. A, C, Hynes, comes absolute in the ordinary W. Tso, Dr. W. V. M. Koch, Dr. Mr. V. M. Grayburn, Mr. T G. course after six months, and until S. C. Ho and Mr. J. Watson (Secre. Weall, the Hon. Mr. W. E. L that is published by the court Sir

Neville is not free to marry, tary).

Shenton, and Mr. W. H. Bell