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THE VALUE OF TELEPHONES IN THE MATTER OF DEFENCE

Tu the matter af defence, and I do not Irsitate to remind you of it. the value would be inestimable. We live in times of rapid change and though we can thank all shalies of Chinese political opinion that where a cap d'état has heen maile the first care has always been the safety of Shameen, nevertheless it is, not inconceivable that at one time it might be thint the telephone was the recognised public benefactor in this res pret.

Six months nearly have elapsed since the question was raised in its present form, and it is for the above reasons, coupled with, the desimbility of consider. ing the extraordinary expenditures fall- ing on the budget, that your Council asks you to consitler this matter today,

The report of your Sub-Committee has been circulated sunéwhat hurriedly. I an afraid, but the decisions were only Tenched on 25th inst.

CIST OF THE NOW KELEPIONE SCHEME.

If you desire the selene put in oper ation we ask yam to vote us the sums of aoney which we have asked for gamely

Exchange building

...82,000 Present scheme

2,000. scheme

3,000 "Future"

Of this under the ghnditions given you sum i understand that our French friends are willing to assist to the extent of their powers. We welcome this kindly co operation. We do not anticipate that the larger sum will be required before next year when we hope to have paid for the Lam lighting and freed that amount from the estimates. We should like, however, Loy in a position to proceed with the full installation without having to ask for further authority.

Think you'

can safely rely on your Cotigei! not to incur this expense unless an sound lines, Gentlemen, I ask your indulgence for this long address, but your Council thought the cission one in which you should he fully informeil as to the recent march of events-(Applause.)

THE DISCUSSION.

H.R. M. CossL-GENERA, then read the -first resolution to give effret to the pro-

un traic and police permit regula tions which are printed below.

Mr. ASSET proposed and Mr. Hea sesanded the adoption of the resolution.

II.B.M. Cuxsrt-GENERAL: As suggested In my remarks at the beginning of the secting. I think it is desirable to" pass zhess regulations on bloc,

Follows: --- The regulations évad gä

SHAMEEN TRAFFIC REGULATIONS, -Shamern is a territory rented by the French and British Governments From the Chinese Government for the business and residential purposes of their nationals and other foreigners.

-All the roads, paths, grass, etc., are maintained by rates, paid by the Jandrenters. E

-Owing to the inermusing Volume of traffic it becomes necessary for main- tainence of better order to make trahe regulations which alt should observe.

4.-There are five (3) roads from East to West in Shamech and live (3) cross roads from North to South.

5. Of the roads East to West the Southern road is known as the Band or Front Bund. and behind "this is a path called the Bund Palth. The See bal road is that immediately in front of the South row of houses.

There are two roads, the South and North road in the Central Avenue.

The fifth rend is known as the Back Bund and is North of the North row of houses.

C-Dering business hours., 9 a.m. 10 p.m. the Front Bunk and road while available as a thoroughfares shall not be used as a promenade. During the evening from 5 p.m. onwards the Front Bund is recognised as reserved for recreation of residents.

7-The roads in Shameen shall not be used as a thoroughfare from bridge to bridge or from landing steps to the City.

-To avoid interfering with free "rovement of pedestrians, carriers of lands shall as far as possible use the Back Bund turning to their destina tins by the nearest cross road thereto and using us far as busstole the West- ern side.

9.-Bicycles shall as far as possible keep to the South road of the Central Avere turning to destinations by the nearest cross road thereto.

10. Pedestrians shall use either the Seennal road or the North road" of Central Avenue.

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11. The seats on the bust are sup plied for the use, and recreation of the landrenters and are not publie Slee ing up theseats at 'night is in no case permitted.

when

En-Lampa na hieyotes are the used after sundown and bicycles are not to be ridden to the public danger.

21.-All chairs whether occupied or otherwise must carry a lighted lamp after sundown, Chair-coolies waiting for their employees must not obstruct the footpaths.

These Regulations shall be ex- hibited at the bridges and the orin cipal landling steps.

23.-in sildition to the above, certain other regulations are being traited and will be promulgated in due rotirse,

...By-Onifer,

FRENCH MUNICIPAL COUNCIL Barisa MexiCIPAL COUNCIL. Shameen, Canton, 21st June 1924.

SHAMERN POLICE PERMIT REGULATIONS.

1.-The following special police per mit regulations are notified for infor, mation and cancel former regulations,

-After gates are closed entrance by gates or by lauling steps is prohibited except to those in possession of passes.

3.-Passes are of two kinds: In- dividual " (red) und **Collective "* (blue) and will be vald only with a Municipal Council stanip...

Mr. Tarion: Then the frin has to take responsibility for thou Chinese,who come to their offices on legitimate húsiness, “

skil they H.B.M. CossPL-GENERAL

Mr. BATEMAN pointed out that 2b stated, that $1,100 isas required for equipment! but there was no mention of arms.

M.D. M. ConstL-GENERAL: lɛ is intend- will guarantee the fact that they came |ed that the term shall cover arms, un legitimate business. but were not re- sponsible for seeing that such persons observed the regulations.

In reply to a further question from Mr. Tape, H.B. CoxSUL GENERAL Bid Passes will only be required to be shown after a p.

The Rev. 31. Tors: That is not mats very clear in the police regulation

H.1.3 CONSUENERAL Teleired the rev. gentleman to Bule No. of the Police Permit Regulations which stated:

"After gates are closed entrance by gates or by landing steps is prohibited except to those in possession of passes." Rule 4 of the Triffe Regulations also made this quite cicar. This Regulation stated:

"

"After 9 pm, rone hat foreign rest- dents and visitors are allowed to enter or leave Shameen without the Police permit. Others when employed by-and- accompanying the aliove will be allowed to pass.'

The fact hul not to be fulgotten that in the strict sense of the word the Island 4.a.) Individual passes are annual is not publie. It was leased to the and are available only to those, hay-British and Erench Governments, and as ing reason to use the gates or land such it was the private property of these two Governments. It was not a public or leave at sters after gates are closed.

place where everyone bail the right to one and go. It was for the Council to make regulations to regulate traffic on Shamson.

(6.) They will be issued by the Council concerned only on the recog nizance, of a frai or individual sig nature or chop satisfactory to the Aid Council. The qualification for this latter is the right to reside in Shameen.

(e) Blank passes will be supplied Council at the police station. Appli- cants must comply with and will fill in the name, sccupation, and photograph of the person concerned by the applicant's signature or chop. Two further photographs, with the above information added will be sub mmitted at the same time for filing.

(d.) Any vouched employé of a per- son entitled to reside in Shameen is entitled to a pass, but the applicant is responsible generally.

5.- Collective. " passes (blue) are intended for the convenience of guests. The issue will be male to the host (who will be responsible), for special beca- aims. As many names may be entered as desired on one form, ar as many passes issued as resired for one occs. .sion.

No photograph. is necessary: These are available for 12 hours only.

6.-Applicants are responsible for the cancellation and return of passes no longer required.

A pass must be carried but need not be shew unless asked for. Photo graphs will not he exhibited publicly untess in ordinary police circumstances of crime.

-Passes are it necessary except between hours when gates are closed They are not inferable.

1-Passes are available either in the French or British Cnticession.

30-Persons in possession of passes not in under are liable to be examined as to han tiles.

1.-This system will be inaugurated on August 1st. 1721, and blant forms will be available un 15th July 1921.

19-Previous passes will be cancelled as-new ones are issued and become null and void.

"By Order,"

FRENCH MUNICIPAL COUNCIL. Burris MrsCIPAL COUNCIL Shameen, Canton, 21st June, 1924. DR. REYSOLDA, referring to Traihe Re gulation No. 12, thought the hours stated rather short. In his opinion 5.30 p.u (Summer) and 4 p.m. (Winter) was too early to turn the servants off the seats.

H.B.M. CONSCI-GENERAL: Of course, unless the seats are required the servants In any case 1 will not he turned off. think it is a minor poins and I do not think for one moment that they will be turned off, say, for instance, when the clock strikes.5.30 p.m."

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The CHAIRMAN OF THE MENICIPAL "Coex; cz, referring to Rule 7 and Rule 15, said that people having business on the Sha meen could land and go to their place of business by the shortest route.

„Mr. Tarlon asked what about people having business at certain foreign wharves down the river.

H.D.M. CoxsuL GENERAL: Why do they want to coure on to Shameen!

Mr. TAYLOR said there were a large number of Chinese who before going to the foreign wharves had to visit the ship- ping offees on Shameen and alter making that call they proceeded for the day to the wharves, and in the evening they generally returned by one of the boats coming to the Shameen and they had to land on Shameen to return to the city.

B.B.M. CossUL-GENERAL: Unless they have business on the Island I should say that they should not land here on their return.

Mr. TAYLOR: Then it will fall on the Company concemed to make, other ac rangemenat for them?

HH.. CONSUL-GENERAL: If you are not! able to prevent them landing, you will not be able to prevent anyone, and condi tions will remala na before.

Mr. KITCHING: Article 15 states that individuals having Eusiness on the Island enn land and proceed to their destina- tions by the shortest route.

H.D., CONST-GENERAL: Yes, they can land provided they have legitime, lusi pess with the firms,

Mr. BATEMAN said that the present staff of constables were equipped lait that their equipment, did not include artis. He thought the resolution should have been made a little more clear on that point.

A ratepayer asked that the amendment referred to, by H.B.M. Consul-General should be read to the meeting.

HB. M. CONSUL-GENERAL read the pro- posed amendment as follows';

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That this special general meeting of ratepayers sanctions the engaging as an addition to our present force of one untive Assistant Inspector nut fifteen other ranks trained to the use of fire- arms and if possible speaking English at an estimated enrrent expenditure of! $6,000 for the last half of the present. year, role collected at once as an extra tax divided equally hetween house and land, this tax requiring a rate" of .6914 per cent. on the former and 0050 per cent, on the latter on this occasion: and $6,000 annually for subsequent years, to be divided equally, between- house and lund requiring a rate of sess per cent. for house tax and .0019 per cent. for land tax for this accent.

And in addition to the above reeur. rent expenditures a capital expendi ture of $4,800 for new quarters and $1,100 for equipment total of $5,000 to be collected at once, as an extra tax divided equally between house aml' land and requiring n rate of 5790 per cent. for house tax and .0643 per cent, for land tax

Mr. Gites added that in substance it substitated trained Chinese for Sikhs.

There being no further disenssion on Resolution No. 9, H.B. CoNaLL GEN- ERAL put the motion to the menting, and it was lost..

H.B.M. CossUL GENERAL The next re- sulation before the meeting is. 2h. This is as follows:

Dn.

"That this special general meeting of ratepayers sanctions the engaging as an addition to our present force of one Sikh sergeant and fifteen Sikh stables at an estimated current expendi ture of 86,000 for the last half of the present year, to he collected at once as an extra tax divided equally between house and land, this tax, requiring" a' rate of 6214 per cent on the former and .0058 per cent, on the latter on this Dreasion and 88.000 auuully for sub- sequent years, to be divided equally Between house and land requiring a rate of 8935 per cut, for house tax Sad .0010 per cent. for laul tax for this account. And in addition to the above recurrent expenditures a capital ex- penditure of 24.500 for new quarters and $1,100 for equipment a total of $3,000 to be enflected at once as an extra tax divided equally between house and land and requiring a rate of 5700 per cent for house tax and .0013 per. cent. for land tax.

The CHAIRMAN OF THE MUNICIPAL Cons- No other niemaler wishing to speak, on en: As a ratepayer and without laying. the motion, IBM. CONST-GENERAL put any stress on the point, I would like to For your in- resolution No. 1 to the meeting. This was propose this resolution.

formation I would remind you that if this carried; four voting against the motion.

H.B.M, CONSTL-ENERAL: The next pro- resolution is carried it will require a tax posed resolution is one of three alterna- of 6214 per cent, on a house and .0089 per tives. If you do not agree with the recent. on land, which put together amount. solution you ona vote against it and vote to one-third increased tax for this year. for one of the others, or, if you wish, In subsequent years $8,000 will be re- you can put forward an amendment em quired annually, representing a rate of bodying any suggestion you may have insa on house tax and .0010 land tax.

Mr. Rignia seconded the adoption of wind. Resolution No. 24 is as follows:"

"That this Special General Meeting the resolution." of Ratepayers sanctions the providing of arms for our present "police forec at capital expenditure of $2,300 to be collected at once as an extra tax, divid ed equally between House and Land, and requiring th addition to the pre- sent rate of 589 per cent.. on the former. and .0257 per cent. on the

latter."

The CHAIRMAN OF THE MUSICIPAL Cory CIL: Speaking as a ratepayer, and with out in any way laying stress on the re- solution, I her to propose the adoption of the resolutions.

Mr. KITCHING: I beg a second that. The Rev. Mr. Tore asked if it was the The Rey. Mr. ToPK suggested that Rule intention of the Council to provide an No. 7, that the roads in Shameen shall armoury on the Island for the palice, or thoroughfare from whether it was the intention to bave the not be used as bridge to bridge or from landing steps to police regularly armed, whilst they were The CHAIRMAN OF THE MUNICIPAL CON the City, should not be enforced until on pofiée duty. after the new Shakee had been completed.

H.B.M. CoNSEL GENERAL replied that c: It is the intention that the police the Shakee Jaloe would be completed, will be regularly armed. he thought. some time this year but it would probably make a little difference point out to the traffic. He wished to that twenty years ago the Chinese did not use the Shameen roads. This prac tice had only grown in recent years, and that in spite of the fact that other roads had since become available in the City,

Mr. Krise thought that inest of the traffic through the Middle Avenue of Shamcer would cease.

Dr. Brotas asked what percentage The CHAIRMAN OF THE MUNICIPAL Coux had any experience of fire arms. CIL: I think about 1 per cent...

Dr. Barsotos contended that the arm- ed constables would be a danger to the public. He instanced an occasion when some Chinese, practising at a target some seven yards distant, failed to bit the He thought that half a dozen additional constables trained in the use target. of fire-arins would be much more suitable. II.B.M. Costs47-GENERAL mentioned that

At this stage HB.M. CossrL-GENERAL read out again the amendment which was proposed by Mr. BuowNE. The question, Mr. Browne said was whether they were to increase the furce by Chinese or Sikhs. It was a matter requiring careful con- sideration. There were many objection's to the employment of Sikha, which were In the first well-known to everybody. place it was a well-known fact that when it came to the handling of Chinese they were not early so gentle in their methods it would he far more difficult to deal with ns they might be, and here in Shanicen Sikhs than in Shanghai or Hongkong. He begged to propose the adeption of the amendment.

Mr. DC COURCY seconded.

The Rev. 31r. Tore asked what was the the British Concession? numerical strength of the police force an

The CHAIRMAN OF THE MUNICựa Cous- CIL: The numerical strength at present.

is 38.

H.B.M. CONSUL-GENERAL explained that} the police were divided into shifts, twelve being the largest number on duty at one time..

Mr. WALKER proposed that in place o a native inspectar a foreign inspector be engaged. The Chinese police, he con- sidered, required much more control than at present.

H.B.M. CONSUL-GENERAL: That would double the amount to be voted.

-Persons are not allowed to walk on the grass unless that allotted to re creational purposes. The grass must not He used to circumvent obstructions

used by building. 19-Up to 5.30 p.m. in summer and 4 p.m. in winter abahs with residents children are permitted to use the seats on the Bund, but after that time they may do, so only when with a grown

Mr. TAYLOR Bald a very large number member of the family.

13-Servants with parcels leaving or of Chinese came across the Island to de catering the gates are liable to be business with certain firms and a large an endre, men handed thich, intendent the Consular Constable, who

for the purpose of examining number of Chinese passengers landed from in a measure, covered. Dr. Reyanld's sugis doing that work at 8100 a month.

the foreigh wharves from ferry into aumgestion. parcels.

id-After 0 p.m.-none but foreign pan and then on to the Island. If they residents and visitors are allowed to enter or leave Shameen without the palice permit. Others when employed by and necompanying the above will be allowed to pass,

The CHAIRMAN be THE MUNICIPAL COPN find business at the wharves and at the said that there were no facilities for business houses they would continue to the training of their present staff of ron use the roads.

H.B.: CossUL-GENERAL: If they have business they are naturally entitled to

15. Pereens having no right to re-use them.

Mr. Tavio: Even if they have not, they ride in Shamcen are not cutitled to land at the steps or jetties unless on will probably continue to make use of the business or on invitation. Such In-Concession

H.B.I. Corse-GENERAL: 1 take it that dividuals should therefore proceed direct by the shortest route to their the Municipal Council intend to see to destinations observing the rules of the it that these new Regulations are ud-

hered to. road given above,

16.Landing may not be made at places other than landing steps.

17.-Landrcaters are responsible that their employés observe the traffic regu latioria

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A ratepayer askel how the proposed pass system would affect Chinese having legitimate business on Shameen.

H.A.M. CONBUL-GENERAL replied that such people would be given an annual pass entitling them to enter and leave Servants of Shameen at all times.

18-The police have instructions to guide strangers and occasional visitors as to the observance of the rules of the British Arm on Shameen would, for in road and generally to see that these, stanus, have passes, and the passes would.

only be issued to the firm. are carried out.

stantes in the use of fire-arins..

Mr. KITING thought they could be place behind the trained. There was Russian Consulate where they could be trained. The plates were still lying there, Mr. Hoc asked, in the event of the resolution being passed, it was the intention of the Council to employ men who were competent in the use of fire armas. They all knew at the present time that the Force was incompetent in the use of fire-arms.

H.B.M. CONRUL-GENERAL thought this would be best dealt with in the next re solution 2 (b).

The CHAIRMAN, OF THE MUNICIPAL "CON- c: There is already a European Super.

H.B.M. CosSUL GENERAL: And that is in addition to his pay as Consular Cor- stable otherwise he would require much more,

Mr. WALKER explained that the recent outrage had shown them that the police force needed inore control. If there whs. to be a 'repetition of such an oct 1" "CRUS they should see to it that the police were under better control.

H.B.M. CONSUL-GENERAL: There question of another putrage. As exniaių ed the question of engaging the men was thought of before the outrage occurred. It is merely a Police mensure to regmatė. the true in Shameen.

Mr. WALKER: I consider it is absolutely necessary to have a foreign inspector; especially after the outrage.

H.B.M. CONSUL GENERAL: I think it is Mr. Bami: In the event of the first resolution, No, za not being passed, there a matter which requires to he treated is no mention of arms for the Sikh police separately, and if the Council thinks that necessary we enn foreign inspector: 1 . H.B.H. CONSUL GANELAS: It is intend-ring it up later. men referred to in Resolution b.

(Continued on page 1).'" ed that they should be armed.

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