CABLES.
LATEST CABLES.
[THROUGH EKUTER'S AGENCY.]
ANGLO-RUSSIAN
".
CONFERENCE.
RUSSIAN EXTREMISTS PROTEST.
Moscow, April 4th, The All-Russian Council of Trades Unions has issued a protest against the British bankers' memorandum of April
13th.
It declares that Russia cannot recognise the debts of "the Tauris, or Kerensky Governments, which would de- ! grade Russians to the level of coolies. **If Kurland gives us credits we shall repay a moderate percentage, but private property will never be returned to foreiga We shall forhid' commercial negotiations between British bankers and private Russian capitalists. "
HOWLANA
The above represents the extremist feeling and is not necessarily the opinion of the Government.
PROTEST NOT OFFICIAL.
LATER,
The Russian Charge d'Affaires în Lon- on emphasises that, the protest of the Council of Teade Dulons mist, not be regarded as oficial, although it contains soides points in second with the views of the Government, but does not repres
sest the policy of the Soviets in eller
respects.
THE HONGKONG DAILY PRESS, SATURDAY, APRIL 26TH, 1924
FAR EASTERN CABLE IN AID OF ST. DUNSTAN'S.
NEWS.
ITKUGEGA REETER'S AGENCY.]
OPIUM IN AN ANTI-POISON
BURLAU
LAST NIGHT'S BALL AT THE
CITY HALL
St. Dunstan's Home for the Blind. Who has not been touched by the splen did work that is being carried on there
· Pex18, April 25th. As "Enthusiast" bas stated in these The House of Representatives to-day columns, it is the only place in Eng land where the bliniet ex-Service mana passed a Chalau agniust Tsai Chengyis taught to reconstruct his life on use un. Tali of Kiaugsi, on the ground that ful and happy lines." The mere reminder be had establishest in opium monomaly that this famous institution, founded by is the guise of an anti-prison bureau.
The House resolved to forward the Chaban to the Governrat with a request for indiate action.
( COURTESY OF THE DAILT BULLETIN."] THE IYANG MARU'S "
V
OFFICERS.
CAPTIVE
ENGINEERS' INSTITUTION MR.
MEETING.
CHARLES
DENBY ON SIAM'S ARRANGEMENT WITH
GERMANY,
EXTRA-TERRITORIALITY. NO ABOLITION FOR A' GENERATION..
tion.
The ang Timma of the 15th ink ག་ལ:ཡ་
the late Sir Arthur Pearson, is heing! 20 menabery have been written off owing organise tribauals to administer this easiest
to continued absence or for breach of regulations.
is
of our at minst be a condition tering on this agreement Sinn's main an
with a view to the men of the captives. cheque would be for forwarding to of $2.005.78 written off for had debts in am pretty good gueser nip self. This is Provisional Economic Arrangement des
lei Hsin-husi promised to do his best.
The rais-om of $100,000 is being taken back to Chungkiang."
SINO-SOVIET NEGOTIATIONS.
PEKING, April 4th.
い
Many foreign Pressigen attraded yester day's muting of the Senate, for which
Dunstans. But this did not mean that decoration was entirely omitted. By the practical and sympathetic help of the
The Chairman, after conmeating upon the satisfactory increase in membership, dealt with aatters of purely institutional interest.
Kowloon Dock Company, ably represent ed by Mr. A. Keith, the Commodore, the Harbour Master and the Superiutendent | Officers for the ensuing year were cinel- of the Botanical and Forestry Departed and the Hilliarda prizes distribátted, meat. there was quite a brave display of
Hakowsky states that tip to the present! Muang Pei-lao's motion calling on the flags, bunting, and greenery in the vari-
negotiations in London-have gone very well, the goodwill showing that there has been serious difference of opinion. He flieres definite, results some questions will be reached next week. It is not intended to postpone a settlement; of individual points until a general settle- ment has been wearhed, but to conclude the agreemeats as arrived at.
BARLIER CABLES.
The thirty-first general annual nieving of the Institution of Engineers and Ship
The Sangue Bamb Phi tunkes a state- huilders of Hongkong was held yesterday
We cannot expect "to abolish extra-meat with regard to the Provisional Eco- evening. With Mr. S. Winke (President) territoriality for at least another generaonic Arrangement recently concluded las tween Siam auf Germany, which we pro in the chair, supported by most members
There is one way whereby informed is correct. it
sy that, arising extraterritoriality may be superseded out of the war and the carrying out of the of the Managing Corumittae.
The annual report stated that member-That is for the China Governuiens to make terms of the Foter Treaty, there...„wars de ship to the end of Beeetiber, 1927, totalled
which it was des number of questions on n code of jurisprudence, with foreign as sirable fix cute to at agreement with Cler 376. During the year 11a new members stance. This should be based on a comming, and when that country repressed a wers elected, 15 members resigned, white mog law acceptable to all. Then let the desire for such an agreement His Majesty's concurred The agrement in Berlin on the 28th February last
P་ and at arst we could have fordignets in
a temporary measure. It deals tranamelled by lack of funds," makes an
the appeal court. When we saw that the in the first place, with questions arising out for last night's effort in aid of the in eloquent appent, and generong support
The Committee regret that during the Chinese were numrnist ring justice, wn of the war and the work of carrying at could clear out. With di respect to the terms of the Treaty of Peace, and, in stitution as well assured.
| year no Technical papers have been rund. my Chine friends, we all ought to the second place, with restoring busines Between 400 and 500 people were pre- This is not as it should be, as we have readies that extraterritoriality, at least for relations to their former footing In sent and there were any who bought plenty of menthers who are capable of another
in this country."
was to obtain satisfaction of her claim for un moder This statement was the gist of Mr.sts, while tierany was chiefly concerned tickets and did not attend because, even contributing their ideas" if they felt the season was to far ad-methods of Shipbuilding, Engineering Charles Teuby's speech to members of the in ber subject being enabled to come into
last week. Mr. Denby was speaking on and commere again. Pexis, April 24th. vanced for pleasurable dancing, their and kindred subjects and it is hoped that Tienen Rotary Club at their weekly titha this country and her carry on their tripley
were entirely with such during the coming season various papers extraterritoriality, and he prefaced his
It is important to emphasize that this The whereabouts of the offer of the sympathies Iyong Meru are still a mystery.
a deserving cause. The affair was not will be forthcoming on any subject of remarks with a rime of the treaties
granting that right to foreigners. China event does not modify anything in the Today was the great problene, next to the Peace Treats which conferred any right. The Japanese Consul left Hokiang for organised on sich a grand sente as, say, lifterest to the members.
the St. Andrew's or the St. George's The result of the year's working shows European problem, which was facing the advaritag an Sinto. As regards Gre man subjects it is acknowledged that Sians Lachow on
has ohiniied fall feal and judicial auto- the 18th inst, where he
RIDE the attention of all at home. Every requested Tan Hsi-mou's chief, Lai simul balls, the organisers, very pro-a profit of 86,584,04 as compared with chancellories of the world. It was RKG
This decrease is due body was asking " What is the nutter with i noms. The temporary agreement is not
trenty, but the negotiations for a treaty perly, recognising that the more spent $119.00 in 19 fuel, to communicate with Tan Hsi-mou
Con lgharate decorations the smaller the partly, to repairs and alterations effected China • 1 can tell you there isn't any will be proceeded with.
on the premises and also to the amount body why knows," said Mr. Denby, There are a god many gaevers, and 1
It has to be noted that necessarily this
the ith quarter.
what i think. In the old days we had a not come into fores until the exchange of dynasty on the throw. We had the ratification Pending this, therefore, the haste China was all right. Former Eens Alien Admission Law - then. Perhaps we heard talk that the tinues to apply and accordingly such tier-
'is Government was going to pivers, bat if mans us are fitted now that. yon asked the business mea they would until the exchange of rifications-wit you in the old days that there was a feel. have to comply with the conditions and ing af inercised commercial activity. In ualities laid down in the said law. the all days the people comhacted the goy. However, it is understood that permission erament themselves. The Emperor didn't to enter Siam under that Law will be conduct it for them. He rated through granted to the Germans who have wat his deputies in the provinces, through his their application before a certain date. viceroy. Then along came the foreign-That is why a certain number of permits. overmurit to negotiate with the Soviet
er. They made treats with Ching, and have been retly granted to some of the they brought the Governme 11 its closer Germans eaning under the category above- with a view to the wall of M. Karakhan
Andrew's and St.
touch with the people. They introduced in mentioned. appeared on the agenda, but there was no ¦ George's-flags and bunting were taste-
new regime, because the foreign Govern- Iments expected the Chinese Governmeat quorum.
Tully arranged. Inder the portrait of
to see that the treaties were carried out. But The xh, đơn Phôde Par Downer, which the Manchu dynasty failed to keep on the Quern Victoria, draped with flags, a dain for ILE. the Governor and Lady Stubbs was badly damaged in cullision with the thean. It failed to do
the 8.8. Pod Begi on Saturday night at Sam- strong ny ceased to exist. Men ke was erected. The dancing floors were in pau Chau in the Pearl Rear arvis in Kuang Hei, (bica Lung, and Tao Kuanz excellent order and this, together with barbour yesterday from Canton under her do not seepy the throne 201 the delightful programme of music is own steam. After tying up at Buoy No.Then there is a new element. There ar
CAS. for a brief period she proceeded to the returned students. Many of the
Field Marshal Sir William Robertson, coursed by the Hongkong Hotel Con Taikoo Dock where she will have to retural students are wen I have a high speaking to a large audience at the Work- paur's No. 1'Orchestra, made dancing undergo, extensive repairs Practically reward for, they are mou I have; but there | ing Men's College, Crowndale road. St., very enjoyable, despite the warmth of the the whole of the vessel's stem has been as others 1 distrust. I mind of the Panera, on March at gave a description
dattened out and she has a gaping hole turn going abroad and learning to kick of life in the ranks of the British Army 17“ and make his own comments on them,
atiuosphere. Light refreshments were about 15 feet in, diameter about a foot football, and then coming back to run the
Government
1 ones asked an influential years ago. "It was expreted that the Cabinet, today. served during the evening in the old or two above water. Her damage is con-
fried in sideval to be much more extensive than
Shauglei
Sir William Robertson said, he joined a Chine friend, why weld take up this matter; but the mast-Chamber of Commerce Room, whilst a
that sustained by the ss. and Drau, and he did not enter into plnil activits the Army in 1577, and he hid a stroke of bar anul mid-room were provided for the it is estimated that it will cost hour and he told me I am going to wait until bad lack, as the colonel, a fat old Crimea
the studentse haye, finished fest,
Veteran, took an inter dislike to him. Thr gentlemen in the public library below, thing like $10,000 to repair her.
The fire students to rotura" said Mr.
old okliers in his regiment were a and eloak-rooms were arranged on either Captain Levaillant. After the collision Chian was wrong.
The waster of the French, steaner is Denbr., czne back with wider that hard-drinking, hard-wearing hit, and en
listment at that time was looked upon as side of the main entrates hall.
They said Chine was this vessel picked up three passengers not strong enough militarily. They point bringing disgrace on the recruit's family.
The basin used by The outstanding feature of the very and one watchman belonging to the Pauled out that the
the soldier served many Was 2014 stening
was use modest devorations was the appealing who had been thrown into the water Japan, and they conerived the idea of PUTEON: in the morning
by the force of the collision: After the formurg republic.
a I maintain that shaving-pot, in the middle of the day it reussentation of a blinded British sol- cullision most of her cargo was transfer there is no need whatever for a repablic inrred as a beer-mus, in the evening 25 3. dier in full war kit with a bandage cover-red to the stern of the vessel, thus raising Chena" he added. That criticism was coffee-cup, and at night it was used to mix ing his eyes. The figure stood out promin- the damaged how well out of the water, radical mistake. What they should have the pipeelny with which the soldiers sleum-
belts Men who went sick their Canton,
lef Sus have a better government.” And
hours after what they ought to do is to train the ported dick. There were no nurses in Osax, April 24th,
remedy is not merely to call China ar Chiace people to govern themselves. The the Army then, the nursing being carried
out by the hospital orderly, who slept Li Yuan-bung (ex-President of the
the alt know it is not one. public. beente we
room, who generally had too mucie Republic of China), who is sojourning in many to when our help is due. Direct
Referring to the treaties raudont hat was regulated by the tips he received from
granting extra.hr, and whoes attention to his patients (aka, is lying entertained by the news-ly opposite was a portrait of HM the
these treaties did not force tin Chinese them. (Laughter.)"
had
· paper and others organisations,
King draped with the. Union Jack? were charged at the Marine Court, yes Government to concede this rigid as
As already inlicated, HE the Gover-terday, with being absent without leave been suggested. The probability was that
Powers had from Canton.
Government the Chin
rule for and two months. To this day he received sh Government grams congratulating him on his birth
__ they weat ashore at Cantoir and that they would have refard, and would hays, ask day in November, while it really did not the following January. the boaturen to take them bark to their bjets Extraterritoriality was by no (Laughter.) did not know sufficient Chinese to direct the foreign Powers to rule their own cecur" until
mean something new. The system went He confessed that his first crime" in found in Turkey, and China helf bad coed was letting & horse go; and then right back to the Middle ages. It was the Army was letting a prisoner go: his
As regards the reports in the Chinee Piss that the Government has receive
freas Sinking a draft of the proposed Commercial Treaty with the Soviet, the draft was rectly circulatel amorig, the
members of the Cabinet with n request that each member should study its contents
CONFERENCE ADJOURNS,
LONDON, April zich.' The Anglo-Soviet Conference has estab Tished the following committees :--To} investigate the debts, claims and counter claims and ments for restoring Russiang was poorly attended and no serious
credit tu Great Britain; to draft a Treaty
of Roommerce and Navigation and to gamtious were discursied?.. examine" ned report on the questiem of) As far as can be qer·rtained, it is que territorial waters.
ionable whether the Central Government will approve of the draft, as it is felt that a regional agrement such as this would be unwise
The Conference adjourned until one of the forgoing committees is ready to report.
IRISH BOUNDARIES, CONFERENCE IN LONDON CANNOT
AGREE
Losnon, April 24th. The Irish Boundary Conterenes which is being held in London has broken up.
No agirment has been reacheil
A
FRESH CRISIS THREATENED, ·
LATER.
LI YUAN HUNG.
•
Bast night. Li Yuan-hung was water-
ens rooms "aul on the main stairway leading to the ball-rooms, In the two Janu
hall St.
Ji
THE CANTON RIVER COLLISION. FRENCH STEAMER' ARRIVES IN HARBOUR.
LIFE IN THE RANKS. IN. THE "SEVENTIES,**
SIR WILLIAM ROBERTSON'S
REMINISCENCES.
ently against an illuminated background and she was thus enabled to proceed to said was "Let 12 reform the neuths and medicine about "
of dark blue, Enderneath this sad and Imely figure the following appeal faced
all ascending the stairs: "One of the
INDIAN GUARDS CHARGED. MISSED THEIR SHIP AT CASTON. Two Indian guards of the x.a. Bucur
A fresh frish crisis is threatened by the tained to a hangart by the Sino-dajanes, nor and Lady Stubbs honoured the fun from their ship when the vessel railed it the
breakdown of the Boundary Conference. "The delegates are remaining in London for the present, but a further meeting is unlikely. It is understood that the
***
finishi
tion with their presence. His Excellency and her Ealyship were met on arrival by Sir Cland Severn and conducted to their
Reats on the dais.
The organisers, who worked so hard for the success of the event, are modest
*
and do not desire that their names should
42
Sir William joined the Army before bu was 18, but the sergeant said he looked a
The defendants told his Worship that subjects in Chian teel that i big boy and pat bis age down as 18, yen TA,
ship.
The Vagistrate administered a caution.
་་
nau gia BOX.
Asociation, in the Public Hall,
Replying to the Governor's address of stor representatives persisted in their welcome, Li Yuan-hungelatar alia, ex- refusal to consider any boundary "altera. į En or appoint a representative on the pressed surprise at the great strides Osaka Boundary Commnission. It is anticipated - las munde sines his previous visit in 18971.
it for many vendes before, He had at Brighton, at a Volunteer revicu, ali found no actual proof, but is the strong man who was under his charge refrisk- that the Fren State will now call on the
He urged Chiness and Japanese esɑpera. Imperial Government to proceed in
BOVRIL'S RECORD YEAR. days of the Tariar dynasty there was thesed himself too freely, and his horse Fam cordance with the treaty and constitute tion at the formation of aureonomic ful to the following for assistance ren- be published. They are, however. grate.
probability that Chinese who went abroad away with him. The colonel said to hims Commission. It is suggested in somni
Presiding at the twenty-seath. Annual find certain privilege, which were in the 1 am getting sick of you. First, you quarters that Ekter's refusal to partici.liance for the shanesinent of trade reta dered, either previously or at the Ball Cheral Meeting of Bovril, Led held in nature of extraterritoriality. It was not let a man go; then you let a horse go; now
London on February 97th, Sir George thing which the foreigner desired to xv pate in this will necessitate the introductions and mutual interests, and clowr itself.-The Kowloon Dock Company, the awson Johnston (chairman) "ongratulat.) in China for ever, but 3 China badu let a man and horse ga. (Laughter.) tion of an amending Bill in the British
Sir William admitted that he hesitated Parlament, which would arouse & stori
Officers of HM.S. Tumor the Hongkonged the hareholders ou having had a arted to play the game, it must cemain
a long time before he took a commission of controversy. Feeling ruas high both STATUS OF SHANGHAI SING SONG Hotel Company. Ltd., Messrs. Moutric sucessful year. The profits of the Com
At the present time there were British as he had no private means, which were and Co.. Mears, Anderson Music Co. and any again constituted a record. Every Courts, American Court, Danish Courts absolutely neossary in a cavalry regiment to many, lalies for their energetic assistar since the war had shown an advance Brazilian Courts and other separtie tti He was the first man from the ranks t
upon its predecessor, and again for 1923 bunals, e 15 or 20, all functioning un-n the Staff College where he was after- ance in selling tickets, and to many the overseas shipments of Bovril" had ex- dey their own separate jurisprudence wards Commandant, The Field-Marshal
How could it be expected The much-discussed status of the sixig.gentienten for assisting with the armingerended those of 1922 by over 20 per cent.
should
carried out 1/2 max law suid that a indr who asked him what SIR JAMES CRICHTON-BROWNIĆ ON INYLDENZA. | BO
nca had statesmen must impressed him during ng houses bas beau settled by the Muni- uents at the Ball.
ban decided in one court quww could not war was much surprised when he replied Thanking the shareholders for his reg of!
"Lord Carson and Mr. John Redmon similar
awther ense by tu trind election to the Board, Sir James Crichton- court the following war, that the prisci (Cheers.) | Browne, M.T), LL.D., F.B.S., said he was ples had already been settled.
warmly interested in Bovril, profesion- Extraterritoriality could not be abolish- Balive afwill as partqually. Bovril mpelled | ed
cncluded fr Flen- though yet while Ninfluenza-that insidious and destructive by. There was need for good with, but
Mfr. H. Chang voie the thanks
in the Irish Free State and Ulster, and the situation is most delicate.
QUEENSLAND LOAN RUSH.
PREMIER'S GRATIFICATION.
Losos, April 24th.
The Queensland Loan has been applied
.: For 6vcfold.
HOUSES.
SHANGHAI, 'April 24th.
cipal Council deciding to issue, suparate euces to singing houses hitherto alawi-
The conversion applications were lefel as brothels, and, therefore, sabject to tween £6,000,000 and £7,000,000, and the emination through perilical ballotings, wash applications ampunted to £30,000,000.
thelon E. 6. Theodore, the Queens: JAPAN AND THE U.S. IMMIGRATION
Jand Premier, is most gratified with the result.
ISSUE.
PJAPAN. MOST PREFER JUSTICE TO PEACE,"
Toxyo, April 24th.
PUNCTION AT CARLTON, CLUB..
JELAT PIPES AND, TANKARDS OF BEER,"
by maintaining cutrition, it fortified the
was hovering shout-for, there must he no precipitate actio
NEW TERRCH FOR CRIMEIRATS.
DUST AS EVIDENCE.
J
the
Lecturing on the subject of "Sound dirt, dust, and residue, particles of
Within the exclusive walls of the Carlton
it 5th entertained by the Luncheon. Com stem and heightened its resistance to the Rotarians for, the speech, aut paid tri-
According to the Chicago Tribune (Paris mittee as a taken of appreciation for the inroads of the disease. But it did more bute to Mr. Denby. Alt the Chines: in
dition), the Franch police have inaugura- war in which the work of refacing the than think For Bovril belped to empel in Tientsin knee the excellent work in. Deted a new system of catching criminals.be PROMINENT INDIANS GO
club bre been carried out.
fluenza when that had effected a lodgment by accomplished after the trouble microscopic examination of dust and dir TO PRISON:
Bricklayers masons, arpenters and by supporting strength and assisting the times of the Boxer Rebellion
npon the clothing of suspects. After eros painters, together with their labourers, ant body to throw the malady off, and it
xamination, the suspects are stripped of PENALTY OF NON.CO.OPERATION.
with various members of the Club. The helped to dispel influenza by dissipating
their clothing, which subjected to That the situation is as grave as that men were gathered in small groups, smok the injurious and debilitating effects to SOUND WARNING OF AIR RAIDS, though and special treatment of beatings NAIROBI. April 24th
and cleaning in order to separate all Following the refusal of the Indians to with which Japan was confronted by the ing clay pipes and well-seasoned briars, often left behind it. If there was a demon pay the poll-tax in pursuance of their bree-Power intervention after the Japan and they were all dressed in their Sunday of influenza, he fanciedit: trembled at the
Receptionat a meeting of the Royal Aero matter. This natter is examined" policy of man-to-operation, a number of China war, sums up to-day's opinion of bost, The general foreman was received name Bovril,
by Viscount Younger; chairman of the The researches of Pavlov, that great nautical Society, Major W. 8. Tucker the strongest of miorscopes. Then the prominent Indians have been taken to the immigration issue, which, it is acknow-club, and the moment the men were in Russian physiologist, established that said that in future the most fretire nie detectives minks deductions as to whether goal, including Joshi, a former member of the. Legislative Council, and the pro. kdged, demands the utmost pruderies and side the lounge, they were set at their ease Bovril, as a mest extract, not only makes raids would be carried out after dark, or the suspect has been telling the truth
early. During March, French confrères of perty of others has been attached.
Ilf-control, but," says the Michi Viche by members, who greeted' them almost na the mouth water, but is a powerful scitérunder, the protection of elond, ained Sherlock Holmes have trapped three m
if they were old follow-members,
locations would. nt the fiction of the gastric jine, the warning, and locati The reng was identical with that offer stimulating and promoting digestion, and by acoustical methods. A small rederers through the dust system. Ons mar ed to members of the club, and the guests the later experiments of Professor Sir search and experimental section supported derer tried to prove an alibi that he steps deplores the serious saiback to
were invited to participate in the long W. H. Thompson confirmed this know-cnually by the three Sghting Serviers was in the fields during the might of the mun list of wines and spirit, but for the ledge, and showed by actual measurement devoting all its energies to the solution der, but the examination of the clothing most part preferred tankards of beer how remarkable the nutritive value of of sound reception problems, and while its proved that he really slept
*a* | résearch was concerned primarily with tho Finally, with liqueurs and cigars, the men Bovril is.
Another murderer was tracked to quarry. The Premier is credited by this morn settled down to real luxury.
One of the most beneficial and unmis military aspect, much of its work was of and caught by the discovery of fine par ing's papers with a stätement made to the Viscount Younger, in a speech, spoke takable uses of Bovril is the prompt relief barely solentific Interest, injor Tucker cles of sawdust upon a piece of clothing expread astonishment that Bound dire found in the dead man's clutch. A car- Privy Council to the effect that the Gov. to references in the pres which might it affords to the sense of fatigue, probably tion anding apparatus had not been used
murdered the man, finally confessed to the non confidence in the Warren Ministry can be solved by a direct appeal to the thems tres superior persINS. · We don't the muscles themselves. It is a universale might, he declared, have been avoid crime French criminals are reported to by 18 votes to 16, the majority including American people, to whom they are direct consider ourselves anything of the kind,oxperience that Bovril picks up and resused with morgnised signals and simple he now carrying a change of clothing in Sir Richard Squires, ex-Prime Minister. ing their efforts.
he said.
citatos and alleviaten feddings of tiredness. trumpet locators,
order to evade the new system,
LATEST CABLES.
יידיי:
Japan must prefer justice to peace if the two are found to be incompatible;
ECHO OF NEWFOUNDLAND-inpan cultural Triations, which a certain if the immigration law is co- Keted,
SCANDAL.
WARREN MINISTRY DEFEATED.
ST. Junxa, Newfoundland, April 24th.
in
2
partic
The Assembly returned a motion of eminent aro.convinced that the question | give the impression that they thought by its action on the nervous kysten or on for navigation in fog. Many collisionenter, who avowed that an epciny had
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