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THE SWATOW. - TYPHOON DISASTER.

CHAMBER OF COMMERCE FUND.

GÉNEROUS RESPONSE" BY TÂR BRITISH AND FOREIGN * COMMUNITY.„

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THE HONGKONG DAILY PRESS. THURSDAY, AUGUST 10TH, 1992.

TRAINED AND UNTRAINED TEACHERS.

DISCUSSION AT THE EDUCATION BOARD.

SOME PROBLEMS OF THE FUTURE. Interesting questions, connected with the training of teachers were discussed by the Elueation Board as tshall

AN AMENDED

The CHAIRMAN: I think I ought to one or two Mr. BALERS, Contiuating the discussion correct Mr. Mackintosh on after Mr. Handyside had withdrawn, read points. There is no prospect for many years of there being competition between a minute containing proposals for re-

the education-graduates of the University orguising this teaching. This provided

and there untrained teachers. As pre- For: traching, two hours a week: phone-

sent the University output of graduate ties, two hours a week, and English com position and literature, two hours teachers is three, and I have in the De partment, to my regret; some eight dr Practical teaching M Ralphs in untrained teachers, at least, who

could exchanges for graduate teachers

werk.

jesson.

I

"TWENTY AND THIRTY AND FORTY

YEARS ON

Mr. MACKINTOSH: How many 7. The CHAIRMAN: I will say 23 years. Mr. MACKINTOSH: I am anxious to pin

you down to a gure. You jump from ten

I will say 50 yea

The CHAIRMAN:

Within two, hours yesterday morning yearly inerting yesterday afternoon. The said, was the difficulty, and his proposal was that a class of schoolboys should be swenty thousand dollars had been contri-Director of Eduration, (the Hon. Mr. Fformed, as was done in connection with

if any such existed. The position of buted to the public subscription Jyud, for] A Arving) "presided and there were also vernacular classes, to consist of 20 boys,

the Grant schools is far more favourable the relief of sufferers in the Swatow present the Inspector of English Schools who knew some Chinese and were ready to the continued prospects of employ- typhuon disaster, opened by the Hong (Mr. Ralphs), the Registrar of the

and anxious to learn English. They ment for University teachers, because I Rang General Chamber of Commerce..

University (Mr. N. Teesdale Mackintosh).

would learn English from the beginning, do not think they have a single trained HF the Officer Administering the Goy the Rev. Fr.,, Maria, Mr. A. R. Cavalier, taught, under Mr. Handyside's instruc- University graduate in them, and they on at and Mrs. Severn sens 8000 and Mr. S. W. Two, Mr. B. Runjahn, Mrtion, by the student teachers. After the would like to have them. It will be ten the Hongkong and Shanghai Banking CorA F. B. Silva-Netto, MP. W. Jackson,

boys had gone the students would discuss] or fifteen years before there is any con- poration gave the commercial community and the Secretary: (Aro E. P. Law).

strong lead with pntribution of

The CHAIEMAN said that there had been the work lone and prepare the next siderable number of graduate tencbers: $5,0x), Messrs. Jardine. Matheson & Co., for a great many years a course at the

Mr. MACKISTORIŲ, I hope we are and Messrs. Butterfold & Swire, the Technical Institute for training Chinese fogging a dead horse." It does seem Ando-China S., Co. and the A.P.C-teachers, and all time masters in the Edu-to me perfectly absurd to go on with this though their own losses in the disastercation Department and many of the normal teaching in the Technical In- an at present incomputable each Chinese master in the Grant Schools had stitute. If we have to go on for any tributed $2,000.

Other leading British been trained at this course. Of recent legch of time the result will be that wet 25 years. "Arms gave generously in spite of the acute years, the Government Filucation Departare turning out different grades of Gov- trade depression which still continues. mest.had depended more on the Univer-ernment hall-marked teachers,-24 carat, then. In England they have, never. Foreign firms were entirely sympatheticity and less on the Technical Institutes carat, and a very poor carat school suceded in doing without more or less and intimated that their contributions The principle in regard to the Technical master. I cannot we what we are going untrained teachers and I do not believe will be fortheuming as soon as telegraphic Institute had been that boys leaving to gain by that. The University is turn- advices have been Treeised from head Queen's College to beĉoms schoolmasters in gut Government trained teachers, rate, there is no prospect of the Grant we shall be more successful. At any offices. The American Consul in Swatow, had to pass three annual 'examinations say Government trained because they schools having sufficient graduated ten by the way, is working hard for the relief there. If they did not pass, they lost are trained at the expense of the Govern-chers to enable them to do without un- of the people there,

promotion and increases of pay, and, ment. They have had training for four trained teachers, and so, for years.-- Very considerable additions to the sub-ultitaarely, were distflisset. The Chairman

years under a staft considerably bigger shall we

say--we shall have to, supple scription list may be expected today. It explained that he was asking the Board that one, and they go out into the worldment staffs with untrained teachers and should be male clear that the Chamber to advise s

the training at the team their bread. The Government, at make the best of the material to of Commerce is it ending its appeal Technical Institute. Mr. Handyside, the the moment. is able to employ them, but hands. The question really before us is to its own members but will welcome con- naimal master there, had reported that i am not clear for how many years it will whether part of this training should be tribution's-large and Small--from all be was not satisfied with the fagilities for

be able to do ko. menbers of the British and foreign com- practical training and teaching given:

which was not to be wondered at consider. The CHARMAN: ing that the classes were held in the The following is the list of subscriptions evening and boys were not very willing to already reveived : --

Mr. MACKINTOSH : I appreciate that, stay after school hours to reedive instrac-1 tion at the muds of the student teachers.bit of does not alter my mind. You have The question in his mind was whether it got to make up your mind one day how was possible to give these teachers many Chinese and foreigners you are 500 proper training in class teaching as all, ing to employ in your schools. If you and, if it was not possible, would not there going to train Chinese schoolmasters 5.000 Board be perfectly justified in cutting out you must find employment for them in this teaching from the curriculum altogethe schools of the Colony, and you must 2000 ther giving the student teachers generals that ax'far as possible they are, on 2,000 teaching and instruction 'in the theory of much the satne level of training. I teaching, leaving the actual training in thought this Technical Institute was dend, teaching, before a class to be undertaken by the headmasters of the Schools in which the student teachers were trained for the greater part of the week t

tunity,

THE CIAMBER (Or combungi srESCRIPTION

LIST.

II.1. the Officer Administering the Gaverning tit and Mrs. Severn... Hongkong and Shanghai Banking

Corporation Messrs, Jardine, Matheson & Co.

Messrs. Butterficki & Swire Mésary. The Asiatic Petroleum,

Co, Ltd...

The Indo-China Stuam Navigne

Ting Co., Ltd........ Messrs. Gibb, Livingstone & Co.,

tel.

2,000

1,000

The Hongkong “Electric Co., Ltd. Messrs, Mackbrnon, Mackenzie k

Co., Ltd

"Messrs Shewan, Tours & Co, ............. The Union Insurance Society, of.

Canton, Ltd.

The Hongkong Hotel Co., Ltd.. Messrr. David Sassoon & Po..

to

1J

A large number are not Government, pupils at all in the Grant

Schools:

T

done at the Technical Institute, or at the school to which the student tearber is attached. The idea of dropping, the valuable work of the Technical Institute: is out of the question. We have extreme ly good Chinese schoolmasters in the Colony and that is the training they have had. No doubt if they had been trained at the University they would have been more capable still. Mr. Ralphs proposes to get together a scratch class: Mr. Handyside could readily object, to mich class, that it would assemble at long in- tervás. Mr. Bird, at the Ellis Kadoorie School, without any formal scheme,” is, long ago. "It is training teachers who training his untrained teachers and I will be able to sell their training at the expect it is being done at most of the cheaper rate than the graduate. The other schools. We might put on record graduate does demand a bigger salary and the necessity that, it should be so done. your "echnically-trained student is able The CarMax this proposed that, in to undersell him. I support the Chairman's the opinion of the Board, it is undesir vggestion that these teachers shouldable that the practical training of teach- aut her given any training in class teachingers should be attempted at the Technical at the istitute because in a few years Institute, but that instruction in practical they will be displaced by highly trained teaching should be left to the headmasters

of the students' schools to arrange for.

MOLE WORK FOR HEADMASTERS.

PRACTICAL TRAINING IN TEACHING? 1,000

Mr. Haxorside, who attended at the ro 1,000 quest of the Chairman to give the Board 1,000 any information it might require regard

ing the Technical Institute, said that in 1,000 the past each student had attended for 1,000 | two hours? instruction fwice a week, but | teachers, I did not do anything bất theoretical work [..

until the third year of the course. The In the meantime it is the obvious duty student ther assisted in. preparing a

of the headmasters to give them that lesson, taught it and underwent kindly criticism. Mr. Handyside indicated that teaching. The headmasters da very little teaching themselves. It is remarkable what an easy time they appear to have to a layman who, like myself, goes round inspecting once a year.

One asks for their timetable; but we will draw a veil

1,000

The Hongkong Fire Insurance Co.,

Lud.

.....

The Canton Insurance Office The Hongkong and Kowloon Wharf

and Godown Ch., Ltd,

The Hongkong Land Investment

l Agency Co., Ltd The China Sugar Refining Co. Lady The Hongkong and Whampoa Dock

Cotil

3. Dadwell & 6o, Lad, ..........

The Holland China Trading Co.,

Lul

1,000

1.000

· 1.000

1,000,

too much had to be done in the four Hours per week.

The CHAIRMAN: To whom does the stu 1,000| dent give"the lesson 7

1,000

UUS

Mr. HANDY: The first year I man-or the reply. It is the duty of the aged to get pupils from the lower classes 500 of Queen's College, but last year I had to get the students to teach their fellow students. There was some difficulty in geing willing support from the classes Fat Queen's College; they rather objected; to aying behind for three quarters of

FUTURE UNIVERSITY OUTPUT.

Me. MACKINTOSH 1 should like to second that. It sounds how very much the Chairmay and I are in agreement, except on matters of mathematics. Mr. Mackintosh went on to reply to the Chairman's remark that the present output of University trained teachers was three. The Chairmano. he said, was forgetting the students who came from athmasters to go to the classes being students who attended the University at places outaide Hongkong and the private

contacted by these untrained men and their own expense. The number of stu watch them and show them how to teach.dents in the Education Department of the University, to-day, was aver 100. In The headmasters will have very much January, 1993, there would be at least better results when they do that, than 100, and possibly 150, education under- one single man can hope to attain graduates. In four years the University would be turning out from 50 to 100 grad-

"I pressed you for a figure," continued "because it is that institute training, out altogether; because anxious to get from you. You began with

1 suggest we ought to cut this technical Mr. Mackintosh,

figure which the University is particularly it will disappear as you get graduated ten years and ended with 50 years. If teachers, for whom you must be able to you take 50 University education-grad- the Chairman of the Chinese Chamber and for the class to realise they are sup provide employment, the only way to do years you will have something like 2,000 ustes per annum and multiply by 50 Chinese teachers, and it is just that I ing out people for whom we can find no am frightened of that we shall bo turn- employment.

The resolution was then carried

The Star Ferry Co., Ltd.

A Sympathiser

J. Witchell, Esq. By

500

*250

20

$28.270

THE DOUGLAS 8. cols BoxTRIBUTION.

On behalf of the Chiu Chau Association

of t'ommerer has expressed thanks to the Douglas Steamship Company for a contri. bution of $500 for relief purposes, and the offer to carry, foodstuffs for relief to Swatow free of freight charges.

SIR ROBERT HO TUNG: 25,000.

an hour in order to be taught by third who is instrueling the student teachers,uates every year.

Kent

Zen.

This year a third year man has taught the first, second and his fellow third year students. The dificulty, is to the students to resize their position

posed to be junior boys.

with made-up classes to work upon.

Mr, MACKINTOSH asked the numbers in that is by refusing to allow the untrain- each class, and Mr. HANDYSIDE replied teacher to teach in any of your that there were 21 students, in all, with schools. I don't agree if you say it is a hardship on grant-in-aid schools; it is a usual attendance of from 18 to 23. Further questions clicited that the entire a mach worse hardship on the victim;- supervision fell upon Mr. Handyside and the boy who is not getting a proper Mr. Lo Chung Hue, Chairman of the involved for him a great deal of addi-education, but a second or third rate Tung Wah Hospital, Committee, informational work,

one, because we allow soude badly trained us that Sir Robert Ho Tung has opened The CHAIRMAN: What do you think of teachers to teach them. That respon the Chinese subscription to the Swatow dropping: the practical teaching and leavhility is cars and it is a very grave one. Bellef Fund with a donation of $5,000. ing it to the headmasters of the students I came here prepared to suggest that the

schopis 7"

THE CHINESE NAVY AND THE

DISASTER.

whole of the Technical Institute dia appear, but the Chairman tells me I should not be in order.

The CHAIRMAN: No. (Laughter.) LEAVE THE TRAINING OF TEACHERS TO THE

UNIVERSITY.

LEGARD SCHOLARSHIPS. Alterations in the conditions attaching

to the Lugard Scholarships with a view to meeting modem requirements--wera also discussed but a dreision was, post- poned until the next meeting.

RETURN FROM BANISHMENT.

EVIDENCE WANTED.

An interpreter who left the Govern- ment service some six years ago was the missing link in a banishee case at the Magistracy, yesterday: #

¿

Mr. HANDYSID: If there is a guar- antee that a certain amount of definite A render writes:

I have noticed it and practical work is being done, it may reported that II.M.S. Magnolia was die the crux of the situation is that you are be possible to leave it in that way, bat patched to Swatow as soon as news of the making teachers at the Technical Institute terrible calamity was received in order classes and they ought to do some prao tical work, just as medical studenta do that she might render aby assistance, in in the course of their training her power, I have not yet observed that, MACKINTOSH !! They are doing it all any vessels from the Chinese Floot which day in their own schools.

Mr. HANDTSIDE It is to improve the have been allowing barnacles to grow on way they do is that they are having this their bottoms in the Canton river for so instruction. It will be satisfactory sheer waste of time, effort and Mr. was clearly explained him at the time by many weeks, have yet been despatched to long as it is not treated incidertally. Bwatow to render what help they may.

Tho CRAZEMAN: Is what is being given Can it be a fact that not one has been at present of any, real valus ent? We have no information, but would welcome news from any source.

MY HANDYLD replied that some good had been done, but he did not claim that the experiment had been a sucose.

Mr. MACKINTOSH: am prepared to

The defendant, who was charged, with| prose that, but I am satisfied if I can persuado this Board to recommend that having returned from banishment, said these so-called classes be done away with he had completed his five years banish- and it be left to the University to do this went and that he was free to comp back work. The University has gone to a great to the Colony, deal of trouble and expense and this work A Police Sergeant stated that the man should be left to it entirely. It is a had been banished for life and that this Handyside's energy that he should try an interpreter. Unfortunately, the inter- and carry on under these conditions If preter had left, the service and there was you do, you are being grossly unfair to little hope of finding him. the student you are teaching and the Mr. Lindsell put the case back peading graduated for whom some day you will further enquiries as to the whereabouts have" diffienlty ́in finding employment of the interpreter,

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