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In the House of Commons on May 31st, Mr. Clynes (Lab.), in raising the question of German repanations, said the friendship of the people of Great Britian for France was deep and real, but friendship with France need not rest upon pacts or treaties, Unhappily, there had been, pa after war policy, differences of opinion, and it would ba, unwise to conceal or underrite those criticisms which have been passed, to make I am bound, having regard to thế differences. Safety for France lay through it clear what the proposals of the Treaty of the League of Nations. We could not Versailles were.

in economically crushing Ger- Trowly imposed up Germany burdens which It is assumed that the muy and at the same time making her pay according to the Treaty. We had the would not bear, and that all that wa created in France expectations which it provided for was that the Reparations Com was impossible for as to full. The of the damage inflicted by Germany, send mission should ascertain the total amount Government were largely to blame for the differences with France, because France in the bill, and if she did not pay we were was misled by the extravagant electoral march to Frankfurt, Berlin, or anywhere declarations in this country in 1918. Reels wail extort it. That is not the fruity. cently we had been threatened with deepening of the divisions between France and ourselves, because of France's threat to enforce payments from Germany Haw long was the question of invading the Ruhr to be postponed? The threat of military force to exset reparations was a. constant source of unsettlement, and a serious check to the revival of traile: Were wa committed to join in any such invasion, or in any further occupation of German territory. He asked whether the occasion of the present settlement with Germany was Bot just the moment to arrange for the withdrawal of our own and the Frenchcapacity to pay the Commission shall troops from the oyupied territory, t

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position and the power of the Reparations I know how difficult it is for a Goverment not to-day but from time to time-that is the THE STRAIN HAS PASSED.

Commission. Wo set up a body which was like that to impuan beary taxation in order Mr. Lloyd George, in the course of damage inflicted by Germany within the have got a foreign army occupying some to act judicially, first of all to ascertain the to pay a foreign debt. The fact that they his reply, said: I think it may be categories set out in the Treaty: afterwards of their most important town, that they assumed that the critical aspect which the to decide not for twenty or thirty years, bare to submit to a certain extent to re- case of reparations presented some weeks but from time to time, what Germany's strictions on the..control of their finances, ago hay, for the moment, passed away. capacity was to pay at any given moment, that they have had to accept dismember- From that point of view it is very difficult Supposing Germany under the original ment of their country, requires considerable for me to enter into any discussion upon the demand paid £200,000,000 or £300,000,000 courage on subject. Anything that I might say could pear, abe is entitled to go to the Re-Government to face, the elements in their the part of any German hardly be helpful at the present moment, parations Commission and say that "For own country who resent these things. The and might very easily be harmful; and I such and sucli reasons we cannot pay that present German Government have under- should have been content to sit down, amount; that is all we can pay." The taken to do their best to comply with the haring made that very short statement, Reparations Commission bears the evidence Treaty, and I believe they are honestly had it not been for the fact that Mr. and adjudicates upon it. That is the ma- doing so. I believe what they are doing Clynes was not satisfied with asking achinery of the Reparations Commission." few questions and expressing a few

The Treaty is denonneeil us if it were policy of non-fulfilment would be a policy is in the interests of Germany herself. A opinions, but was prepared to attribute very harsh, as if it had no reference to immediate disaster to Germany. It the whole of the present difficulty, or, at Germany's capacity to pay. This is not is not a question of France acting alone least, the great part of it, to certain de the case. All the provisions I have men.if there were defiance of the Treaty clarations made by us in 1918. We were tioned are in the Treaty of Versailles, and of Versailles. upposed to have raised expectations in all. I ask is that whenever there are the Treaty. There are provisions there Prance which we could hot, fulsi. As a denunciations of the Treaty that fact should which enable relaxations and modifica. are signatories to matter of faut, if any expectations were be fairly stated (Hear, hear.) raised in France at all they were attribut-

tions to be extended to Germany when able to nothing that we said on that

her condition would not allow her to pay Occasion, I could quote the statement balance of the Reputations Commission and there were a Government there that came There is one fact which has upset the the full amount of the demand. But if which I made. I made it quits clear, in the balance of the League of Nations, and in to resist the Treaty, to refuse to carry the only speech that I delivered on the that is the absence of America. It was subject, that Germany, although morally assumed when the Treaty was signed that would be left alone to exact those pro- responsible for paying the whole cost of America would be represented on

out its provisions, it is not France that the war and of the damage inflicted by her Reparations Commission and on the League in the course of the war, could only be of Nations. The United States was the

visions. We shall act together. (Cheers.) expected to pay according to her capacity only country that had no claims in respect We have pursued a policy of considering

MODERATION IN VICTORT.. Lieut. Commander Kenworthy: What of reparations. She was friendly to all Germany, and in doing so we have render- We have pursued a policy of moderation. about the Armistice terms?

countries that had claims, but she was also ed ourselves liable to a good deal of mis- & country with a great international trade, and, therefore, concerned in seeing that representation in France and elsewhere. reparations should not be driven to extremes tional policy of this country of moderation that would upset the balance of trade in victory. That was the policy we pursued Nevertheless we are pursuing the tradi throughout the world. That was an element after Watertoo towards France, when we relied upon to secure a fair and im-were being urged to trample on France, ratified the Treaty, that very vital element refused to countenance such a policy. partial adjudication. America, not having The Government of that day absolutely is absent from the composition of this If Germany were to say. judicial body which has to adjudicite. The same thing applies to the League of Na-10 carry out this Treaty," that would be "We decline tions. There is no doubt that the absence in spite of all misrepresentation, for the a different matter. We wish still to stand, Then I went on to say that the official Treaty of Versailles has disturbed ita equithe policy, of falfilment of the Treaty of Amerion from the machinery of the advisers of the Government were not of poise, has made the machine less effective, Versailles in the reasonable interpretation policy of moderation. We also stand for ornion that Germany could pay the full has made it work with less precision we put upon it, and which, I think, is capensation. I also said that other people will not any with more injustice incorporated in the very essence of the took more favourable view of Germany's but it has created an amount of friction Treaty itself. That is our policy, and the capacity, but as far sa we were concerned that would never have existed had the we could not express any opinion until United States been present at the delibera circumstances which have arisen render it there had been un investigation of the tions of the League of Nations or the quite unnecessary for me to refer to say circumstances by the whole of the Allies, Reparations Commissions.

discussions which have occurred during the That was our position. On the following day Mr. Asquith said, in answer to a ques-there is no cause of dispute between France cussion and to enter into the question as to For the moment all I would say is that will not be necessary to resume this dis last fortnight or three weeks. I hope it tion put to him, "Would you make the and ourselves. Germans pay for the war?" "Yes, I submitted to the consideration of the Ee-I agree that any isolated action on the part This matter has been what the effect of isolated action would be. am in agreement on that matter with parations Commission, and all the reports of any one of the Allies would be disastrous what the Prime Minister said Tester hava are very hopeful that an arrangement. day" But that is not all. Mr. Clynes will be arrived at which will be acceptable is the last person in the world who is not merely to the creditor but to the debtor in a position to complain that we raised countries. false hopes. He has got a very prominent colleague, who is not present here at the

GEENANT'S CAPACITY.

Mr. Lloyd George: That is oot the point. The suggestion is that declarations were made at the election, but the only declara tion I-made was at Bristol, where I said that Germany should pay to the utmost of her capacity. Then I went on to say:

"Why have I always said, Up to the limit of her capacity I will tell you why It is not right for the Government to raise any false hopes in the community, and least of all is it right to do so on the eve of

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not got out of them except with the consent! of all others who entered into those be possible to arrive at the fulfilment of obligations. He did not think it would the Treaty if by fulfilment was meant, as the French meant, the payment of the sum

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REMISSION OF WAR DENTS. moment, but who had more to do with debts has been raised, and I regret that The question of the remission of war organising the Labour election campaign proposals which have been put forward than he had I refer to Mr. A. Henderson, outside the House have not been brought who was their chief organiser, their Chief here for examination. It is a matter of mentioned in the Treaty. He did not think of Staff. This is what he said on December most vital importance to the interests of it correct to say that the presence of America this country. If the proposal is that we at the Conference would have made all the obtaining forgiveness of the sums due from would still have been the root difficulty, should forgave all those who owe us without difference. Had America been there there us, we cannot agree to it. (Hear, hear.) If namely, the fastening on to a debtor nation our share of German, reparations is added burden which everybody admitted could But my right hon. friend himself is not countries to us there is over £3,000,000,000 have been the fact that no modification of to the amount of the debts das from other not be discharged, and there would still free from a certain responsibility. He made due to this country. The proposal is that the burden could be made except by the a speech at Ilkeston after the election, in we should forgive the whole of that without unanimous consent of all parties. which he said plainly that he could not any release from the £3,000,000,000 which should ask for the terms to be molitied, not see how the Allies could have done less we owe. No Government could possibly through pity for Germany or because we than impose those terme on Germany and contemplate that. (Cheats) We are per- thought they were unjust, but because it her Allies. The date was May 19th, 1919. fectly willing to enter into any international was in the interest of everybody that this This was after the publication of our first discussion with a view to obliterating the question of reparations should be definitely- draft terms, which softened. The hard heart of my right hon. receive benefit. We have grant international

we subsequently whole of these war dette, provided we closed friend would not have altered a single trade, and we realise that it is an advantage comma, but we took a more tender view. to us to forego a large sum of money dud BASEBALL GAME, SATURDAY. M. Clemenceau, President Wilson, and myto us provided there is a clean, alato. self were a little more tender to our enemies Im very glad that the German Govern- than the right hon. gentleman, who would ment have made a real effort to meet the re-. have enacted the last peany. (Ministerial quirements of the Reparations Commission. cheers and laughter.) If we were wrong, (Continued on peri column.)

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