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THE HONGKONG DAILY PRESS FRIDAY, DECEMBER 10rn, 1920.

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previous season, without attempting to Government in its municipat capacity to f-

BEACHES.

numorous bathers Buch "an idea is unbathing at North Point, which, as I have thinkable, and yet the Hongkong Govern-pointed ort, is appreciated by number of menwhich I submit is in exactly the bathers, and I have shown to Tour Excel- same position, towards the public, seeing feney the increasingly high figures which that we have here no municipal council. indicate the us made of the bathing and the Government is bound therefore to benches st North Point. I trust, there to do so.

THREATENED BY BIG COMMERCIAL undertake municipal functions, proposes fore, that the Government will have no

DEVELOPMENT.

Bince the last meeting of this council have been in communication with Mr. Carpenter, of the Public Works Depart ment, who, at short notice has been good

GOVERNMENT REFUSES TO PRESERVE THEM enough to inquire into the question of as

INTERESTING

DEBATE.

motion that it is the duty of the Hoaz. difficulty in "accepting the terms of tbs kong Government to provide the public with adequate facilities for a bathing- certainly as good facilities as the public · have enjoyed in the past; in fact, I will

to whether there are any alternative sites for sea bathing along this shore between Put it higher than that for I think that North Point and Quarry Bay in lieu of

the Government ought to look abenil and, the one that the Government are propos policy for a Government which exercises provide for future needs. It is the wrong ing to sell. I thought of two differens sites myself, and suggested them to Mr this Colony, to do what

the functions of "a Municipal Council in Carpenter The first was a site by

no Municipal

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Council at Home would venture to do.

and that is to take away from the public

held in the Council Chamber at noon,These figures show that 39.000 odd peoplohaukiwan road than the steel (gundry Facilities for, sea-bathing hitherto cajored

A meeting of the Legislative Council was striking with regard th North Point, group of rocks a little further along the

yesterday. There were present

made use of the bathing beaches at North fact the group of rocks at the west end "HIS EXCELLENCY THE GOVERNOR (Sir Point in the summer of 1990, and if woof Quarry Bay. But upon consideration. by them. REGINALD EDWARD TUBES KCMG). call the summer season five months, or

after bearing what Mr. Carpenter had The Hon. Mr. LAU CHU PAK, in second H.E. MAJOR-GENERAL F. VENTRIS, C.B.,say 150 days, that shows that on an aver.

to say, it became obvious that this was noring the motion, said: My hon. friend has a suitable site, on account of the strong fully and ably explained the necessity (General Officer Commanding Troops in age over 250 persons per diem used the China)..

bathing beaches at North Point daring More recently I asked Mr. Carpenter to for bathing purposes, that I need not go set of the tide at that particular point. and importance of reserving the beaches Fon. Mr. A. G. M. FLETCHER, C.B.B., the summer season. Those figures are inquire into a site between the hotel and over the ground again. The few remarks (Colonial Secretary).

think, striking, and they illustrate, what the Steel Foundry. But, as far as we have I am going to make are particularly on Hai. Mr. JE. Krug, K.-C., O.B.E., I mentioned just now, that the use of gone at present; that site, although possibly behalf of the Chinese of the younger (Attorney-General).

these beaches is very much appreciated by better than the first, seems not to be suit-generation In recent years they have - Hon. Mr. McI MESSER, O.B.E. the public of Hongkong, and that, in fact able. I saw Mr. Carpenter only a few taken to sea bathing not only as a means Colonial Treasurer).

the public do use the benches to a con Hon. Mr. W. CHATHAM, C.M.G., siderable extent. Now, analysing that dithculties in connection with this site on number is bound to increase in the years minutes ago and be tells me that there are of sport but also for health reasons. Thoir tor of Public Works).

30.000 odd hathers into their component account of a considerable quantity of mud to come, and, therefore, I join in respect- parts, we find that in 1920, 4,61 Euro-along the foreshore." I have taken a good urging the Government to take the pean civilians. 11,765 European soldiers, deal of trouble in this matter because I

matter into favourable consideration. 3.607 Portuguese, 14,003 Chinese, 991 Japanese, 2.553 Indiana and 1.005 Parsees used the beach. Two of the figures men tioned in that list. namely, the figures for European soldiers and for Chinese, are ant caly striking in themselves but they are peculiarly striking when you compare them with the figures for 1919. In the

(Direc

Hon. Mr. E. R. HALLIFAX, O.B.E (Secretary for Chines Affairs),

Hon. Mr. E. A. IRVING (Director of Education).

Hon. Mr. H. E. Pollock, K.C. Hon. Mr. P. HOBSON HOLTOAK. -Hm. Mr. E. V. D. PARR.

From. Mr. Eat CET-PAK.

Hon. Mr. Ho Fook.

Hon. Mr. JOHN JOHNSTONE.

Councils).

confirmed.

MINUTES...

FINANCE.

The COLONIAL SECRETARY, by command of H.E. the Governor, laid on the table Financial Minutes Nos. 109 to 118 and moved that they be referred to the Finance Committee

The COLONIAL TREASURER ended and the motion was agreed to

The COLONIAL SECRETARY, by command of H.E. the Governor, laid on the tahle the Penest of the Finnsnes. Committee. Ne

8 and moved that it be adopted.

The COLONIAL TREASURER Recorded and the motion was agreed to.

CONSTITUTIONAL REFORM.

grester force...

think we must all of us feel in this Council

Hon Mr. HOLYDA¤—I rise, sir, to sup that it is incumbent upon us to see that port the resolution which has been put for." those who have not got micans which will ward by the hon. member representing the enable them to take launches or motor cars Justices of the Peace. to the bathing beaches to the South of the whether the Government is aware of the-

I do not know Colony are not deprived of any bathing intensely strong public feeling which exists facilities which they have hitherto enjoyed. où this question; if it is, I cannot believe Whether or act it will be possible on fur that it will run counter to it.

I do not Mr. 8. R. B. McELDERRY (Clerk of Bammer of 1919. 5.2% soldiers made nether inqury to substitute some site for the know what stage the negotiations in con

of that beach, as against 11.765 in the bathing beaches, which form the subject of nection with the North Point site, which is Summer of 1990 Therefore, sir, you have negotiations between the Government and under consideration for development pur The minutes of the last meeting were the fact that more than twice the number the parties with whom the Government are poses, has reached, but I do submit that of European soldiers used this beach in negotiating, I am not prepared to say now the argument put before the Council by the Summer of 1990 as compared with But unless the Government is able to find my hon, friend (Mr. Pollock) is from the those who used it in the Summer of 1919. some adequate substitute I submit they wrong end. It seems to me that the pro I submit that it would be a very great ought to be retained for the public. I do blem is not one of finding a fresh site for hardship to deprive those soldiers of this not believe in destructive criticism, but I the bathing beach, bus of finding a fresh means of not only innocent but healthful believe in looking round and I can only site for development. Far be it from me. recreation which is at their disposal by say at present with regret that I have to oppose anything in the nature of man of say access thereto by the team come up against a blank wall, and my natural commercial development of the From the Post Office to Quarry Bay. These position is that until the Government can Colony with which we are all no intimately Sgure, not only show that the soldiers very provide some adequate substitute for these bound: wo are all bound to do all we can much appreciate the use of these bathing bathing beaches at North Point, that to provide for it. But when such develop beaches and that it would be a very great things ought to be allowed to remain in ment ruas counter to public' rights, and hardship to deprive them of that use, status quo. I regret that at the present what are almost public needs, I submit more especially as we see that the numbers moment I have not been able to find a site the question needs the gravest considera- of soldiers using that beach is increasing, adequate to meet the situation, and in tion, before an irrevocable step is taken. and if, as is thought, we may have a making this motion I, of course, mean that There is no question that in-a-climate such The Hon. Mr. H. F. POLLOCK, K.C. larger garrison in the future, then the it is the duty of the Hongkong Govern- as we have in this Colony, in the Summer asked the following question: In view entire argument will apply with still meat not to diminish facilities for ses bath months, it is desirable for hygienic reasons" of the fact that the question of giving

ing, and to provide the public with such that the greatest possible facilities should. greater popular representation on the Then, sir, with regard to the Chinese facilities as it has hitherto enjoyed. I

be given for open sea bathing. Sinca Legislative Council in ather Crown there again the figures are very striking nbmit that it is, the duty of the Govern- creasingly large numbers of people have these bathing beaches were provided in- Colonies has been recently dealt with by compared with the figures for 1918. In went to look round and see what can be used and enjoyed them. I have passed nad. the Secretary of State for the Colonics, 1919 the figure, for the Chinese were 7,905 done in this matter and not to take any re-passed both of those bathing beaches on will. His Excellency the Governor send aand in 1991 they were nearly double, steps which will alienate the sites of these the Hongkong side continually this Sun dexpatch to the Secretary of State to re- namely, 14,473. Here again we see a very bathing beaches, until we can see something mer, and I have noticed how largely they mind him thas no answer has yet been great increase in the use of the bench by equally good in exchange.

of to the request from Hongkong for the Chinese of this Colony, and it is only

are used. You will be bringing hardships." HONGKONG CIGAR STORE greater popular representation."

With regard to Kennedy Town, for to bear on all these people who reasonable to suppose that that increase tunately, at the present inoment this beach The COLONIAL SECRETARY: The reply I will not only be maintained but increased does not appear to be threatened by any "! Yes, sir.

in future

years, and that this beach will negotiations between the Government and become increasingly popular with our large any outside party, but as regards this cutters Island or the more, distant bathing Chinese population:

Of course when I bouch I would wish to safeguard the futures. There ought to be public bathing mention these figures for European soldiers and would ask the Government to consent

benches available within easy reach of and Chinese, it will be understood that I thas any question is to taking away the No one can fail to have been struck by everyone living on this crowded island." The Hon. Mr. H. E. POLLOCK, R.C., said; de not say 11,785 different soldiers used the public bathing beach in Kennedy Town the enormously increased interest among Bir, I beg to move: That it is the duty beach; many of them no doubt used it shall be brought up in this council for the Chinose in the art of swimming in the of the Hongkong Goverment to provide considerable number of times in the course deliberation and discussion before any last three or four years, and this must bo the Public with adequate facilities for of the Summer. Of course no record is negotiations are entered into for the sale partly due to the facilities which have

-bathing. Before addressing the

the kept of how many times each individual of auch beach. The Agures for Kennedy been given by these public beaches, which Council on this mation, I will ask the soldier used the beach during the summer, Town show that the beach there is also should not he taken away. Benior Unofficial Chinese Member if he but the important thing was that it was popular place for bathing though the resolution because I am certain that it has will second it.

The Hon, Mr. LAU CHU FAE; I beg to made use of by soldiers no less than 11,766 Egures are not so large ar those of North behind it a very large weight of public

times. That shows, that, as compared with Foint. For 1990, the figures were 25,093, the previous year, it was used more than of which European civilians totalled 1,400,

opinion in this Colony, twice as many times as in 1919 by the European soldiers 1,316, Chinese 15,750,

The COLONIAL SECRETARY-I think it soldiers of the Colony,

Portuguese 4,100, Indian 1,488. That bring this matter into somewhat clearer shows that there is in Kennedy Town, as perspective if I give a brief history of at North Point, a considerable rise of the the two bathing beaches, at North Point bathing beaches, On the Sgures, North Bad West Paint A question was first Point beach is the more popular by asked in 1919 in this Council, by the Hon. | Mr. Osborne, that the Government should roughly speaking, 50 per cent.

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THE BATHING BEACHES.

KA, POLLOCK'S MOTION DEFEATED.

second the motion.

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Aupport this

Hon Mr. POLLOCK: Sir, the motion before the Council affirms that it is the duty of the Hongkong Government to pro. vide the public with adequate facilities for Now, that being so, what is tho situa sen bathing. This subject has to be con- tion at the present time! The situation adbred under thres headings; the first is now would appear to be that the Govern North Point; the second, Kennedy Town ment is calmly proposing to sell these and the third Kowloon. E shall consider, beaches for purposes of commercial enter in the first instance, the North Point prob- prise without making the smallest attempt As regards Kowloon, I understand the extremities of the island for the purpose of lem because it is one of somewhat im to provide any substitute for these 38,000 orion Residents Association has sent in bathing beaches, and should dear thos minent importance and urgency, in view people to hathe next season. So far as an application to the Government for of the fact that the Government, as I can be gathered, the Government entered bathing benches at the wostorn end of understand, for some time past, has been into these negotiations, which would Cheng Bau Wan with all the usual engaged in negotiations with certain involve the abolition of these benches for appliances, sheds, eto, and I desire to sug people with reference to the acquisition bathing purposes, without at all tonsid-port this request for the reservation of that by such people of certain lead at North ring any alternative provision of bath beach for the people of Kowloon,

areas. The Government refused ta reserve,

any defuito places, but said that any would be considered: Nothing was done application for bathing beaches themselves.

from this on, but in 1012 M Osborne moved a resolution in this Council, in,

Foint, that would include the bathing ing facilities to make up for the taking Sir, I have endeavoured in this matter April or May of 1912, that bathing beaches beschos there. With reference to those away of these bathing beaches, Sir, I not to use too strong language, because my should be established at each end of the bathing beaches at North Point, which submit that, this is a most extraordinary object has been to see whether the Covert tova, and it was agreed in Council were only started with appliances for proceeding on the part of the Government,ment will not help us, although I must say to consider the matter with the public bathing some nine years ago, I Let us take into consideration a parallel frankly that a bad start baba Estimates for 1913, and the resolution would say, in the first instance, that the caso at Home Can one imagine persons made in the matter of the North was unanimously adopted. As the out-i ug of these beaches has shown that they in office on a council at a seaside bathing Point Beach I trust are steadily growing in the public favour. place in England calmly announcing that Government will not deprive the public provided and the Government gleazed these The figures for 1920, to which I will refer they contemplate the selling of bathing of this beach until the Government has two beaches of rocks. The West Point the members of this council, are peculiarly beaches used by nearly 40,000 people the itself evolved for it is the duty of the beach was in partial use before that, the

that the come of that a small sum of money was

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