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INTERESTING DISCUSSION AT

PUBLIC MEETING.

INCORPORATION WITH WAR MEMORIAL

1990.

UPINION OF THE NAVY.

life" He, however, very soon changed his | und well-equipped reading roome, opinion after a shory experience of the measure some such Institutions exist in the - admirable work, the YM.C.A. was doing. Colony, rendering good services to : thứ in Coykm. He had even a good deal of 1 Service, men such as the Seamen's Mis its work, and he felt everyone would on the Soldiers and Sailors Home and;" endorse everything Mr. Holyoak had said the Sailors Home, and they provided good about it (applause).

accommodation Meals could be hind o the premises and various kinds of rocrea Admiral Sir A. "L. Dorr, R.C.B., tion were provided, The Seamen's- who seconded the resolution, said that Institute was a modul little institute of the two previous speakers had said its kind and did a greas cient of good work, almost all he had intended to say and, so both for the men of the mercantil marine to speak, had cut the ground from under and Servies men. Is had been remarked his feet. Therefore, since all great minds that there were some who baw objec thought alike," there was little to do tions" to the present proposal, because it than support the scheme in toto. How was thought that, with its great advan over, since the scheme involved the Navy, tages, it would clash with the existing he had a few words to say in regard to institutes. He was afraid that to some Eloquent testimony to the interest felt membership under which the scheme could their position. Hongkong was the main extent this must be so, but the tendency by the public of Hongkong in the probe worked satisfactorily. A good deal of base of the China Flotilla, and many man was towards a growing demand for club: posed club for ervilians. and naval and criticism had arisen aiming t showing were employed ashore permanently in facilities and recreation This demand military men, was forthcoming in the large that such a scheme would interfere directly administrative work, At least once a year was growing greater and greater, and he gathering of people at the City Hall, with the Missions to Seamen This work the ships came into port for re-fitting, believed that there was room for such yesterday evening, when a public meeting had been carried on for a long time mand, during that time, there was a certain scheme, and for the old 225 as well, was called to consider the proposal. His succesfully, and he was sure that no amount of relaxation. It was consequently It was proposed to have

assure Excellency the Governor presided and matter what was done with the presentential for the men to have some social would accommodate five hundred parsonie

THE QUESTION

NAME.

A hall which

among those on the platform with him. scheme it would. not detract in the less facilities ashore. One of the first questions He thought in that connection that is

́ ́A number of speakers discussed the sub- jecs from all points and many conflicting opinions were expressed. Five resolutions were carried. The meeting lasted for nearly two hours, and the outcome was that committees were formed and sanction given for the scheme to be proceeded with

Y.M.C.A HISTORY.

H.E. THE GOVERNOR called upon Mr. Holyoak to outline the history of the formar YMCA”

PHOBSON HOLYOAK 1904.M.C.A was

..

schema(applause.)It

that came before him on file arrival was

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wete Vice Admiral Sir A. L. Duff. K.C.B., from the support that the Seamen's that of the demolition of the old naval would be of advantage to approach those H.E. Major-General F. Ventris, C.B.. His Institute received from the public.

canteen.. The reclamation scheme had responsible for running existing institutes: Lordship the Bishop of Victoria (Hong- He assured. Mr. Waldegrave that the new. sounded its death-knell. When he to join the Committee organising the new Kong), His Honour the Acting Chief building would not be antagonistic to, or visited the canteen he felt that M.CA. building, and he believed that Justice (Mr. H. H. J. Gomperts), the competitive with the Seamen's Mission: Hon. Mr. A. G. M. Fletcher, the Hon. The wished to co-operate (applause. the Navy was really under an obligd. it would be a good thing it they could Mr. J. Johnstone, the Hon. Mr. E. H. Indeed, there was room for both of them tion to the Reclamation Scheme. A more be persuaded, in due course, to join the Sharp, K. C., the Hon Mr. IT. E. Pollocks the Colony was growing. There were more unsuitable site and quarters he could not board of control, because be felt sure that K.O the Hon. Mr. E. V. D. Parr, the British men here than before the war, and imagine. Straightaway he approached the their advice and guidance would valu. Admiralty on the matter of a new site. They able. He offered for the consideration of Hon. Mr. P. Hobson Holyoak, Mr. N. Jit was certain that the Fleet would be ang had given the subject a most sympathetic they responsible the names of Commander, Stabb, the Hon. Mr. W. Chatham, CM.G..mented and perhaps also the Army a hearing and had put the matter of a site C. W. Beckwith, and the manager of the Commodore Bowden-Smith, RN. Colonel ther or not the Army went to Kondoon, to the War Office. There the matter stood Jailom nod Boldiers' Home, which he

or not Loring, Lieut-Gol, J. Wyndham, Messrs. new onarters would be required. Criticism as present. When the scheme for the believed was run by the Wesleyan Mission G. M. Dodwall, M. J. D. Stephens, G. T. had been offered, too, shant the suggested amalgamated club was put forward, Amalgamation was the spirit of the tunes. Edkins, and several others.

name for the new balding. After the Navy ceased its efforts for They saw it proposed in the scheme before thorough 'onsideration the Committee be individual club with the intention them, and it might be found that it could lieved that the success of the reature of supporting the new scheme. They be carried farther as regards co-operation depended on its being administered on had not reached - this decision from between the present Seamen's - Institutes Y.M.C.A. lines, as the YMCA could entirely altruistic reasons; they stood to and this large scheme Personally, he was provide trained men for the work. The gain two great advantages. First, the strongly in favour of amalgamating them Y.M.C.A. had justified its existance during smashing-down of the social barriers which with the TM.C.A. He believed the war, and the fact that a man was a hitherto, and at present, existed in Hong. Mr. Holyoak's proposals were sound, and member of it meant assistance if he needed kong. The second great advantage they he shought the YMCA was the only ft, when passing home through America stood to gain was that of a permanent association which could be depended upon or Canada. The housing problem was so and worthy memorial to the men who had to provide capable men to run it." Theis acute in Hongkong that if the beds. he fallen at the Front. For these reasons, prestige during the war warranted it, and had alluded to were offered they would be they were prepared to support the proposed they were the people to provide a body of The Honc

booked un within a week. They were not club as strongly as possible. So far as experienced men in this work of managing stated tha opened here, and for ten years continued endeavouring to compete with the ang- they were concerned, they had no reason the new enterprise. He had much pleasure to occupy the top floor of the Alexandraested War Memorial, but he thought to suppoee that the War Offre would pro- in supporting the proposal. Building and carried on, more or Igen.everyone there would back him up when vide a site, but he was sure that if the successfully its work, although hampered he said that if should be a part of the Navy was forced to go on alone, there throughout in its development by the fact Memorial

was would be no difficulty about a site. He that a sum of 38,000 was required a year. more fitting to provide a fine building in falt now that, if they all held together, In 1914 in the month of June they were which men who had returned from the war the site would be forthcoming when it was compelled to move to quarters in Der Vœux would find comfort, as a Memorial to wanted Last of all, he wanted to announce Road, owing to an outbreak of plague, those who had fallen, than to spend a large and they carried on in these premises until the outbreak of war, which claimed the majority of the members of the YMCA and the building had to be closed. From that time arose the question of the con struction of a suitable building to welcome the men on their retura from the war With that object in view subscription list was started and was generously sub- cribed to by Sir Ellis Kadowrie, Mr. Stephens and Sir Henry May, although he did not think that people realised what a large part Bir Henty May played in the contributions to the building. It was

Y.M.C.A. BUILDING PROPOSAL. felt that it was not a fitting time, even if space were obtainable, to commence HIS EXCELLENCY THE GOVERNOE pro this building whilst the war was on, especially posed the following resolution:-"That at a time when the war looked at its worst meeting approves of the erection by public men could go without being subject to the Therefore, the funds were invested in mecription of ■ T.M.C.A. building, to s British Wor stock, and there they were be managed for the joint use of Navy, very garrison town. This want had been in the chairmanship of the W to-day. After the war, discusions again Army and Civilians by joint Board of filed in the past by the Soldiers and Memorial Committee srose as to where the building should be Directors." He said the resolation raised Bailors' Institute, of which he could not mendations were put forward erected, and they were held back by the two questions, one being whether it was speak too highly and which he understood his Committee as to the form whi difficulties of a suitable site and inadequate really desirable that there should bowse to be shortly demolished, Thanks this memorial should take and, throu funds. It was well known that a large building of this nature, and the other it were also due to other similar institutions. E.E. the Governor, they were onabled

Of course, they must always have their Praya Reclamation scheme was about to it was desirable that it should be a be embarked upon, which will involve the YMCA building. After all that Mr. canteens and refreshment hall in barrack giving up of the site occupied by Holyoak had said nobody would ho pre- but in a place like this where there are

men's Institute.

They were pared to dispute the fact that such so many small detachments, the Command

of hind- building was desirable and, therefore, ing Officer, not having sufficient funds, designs, arrange for judges and Whispers necessary...

y. - The Nayal - Commander-in-could not make them as comfortable as subscription lists, when the present p they would be in a building such as it was poial was put forward. As it was evid were going about that the Army was vacat Chief had had occation to comment on now proposed to erect. He intended that there existed a feeling in the Co ing its present site to go to Kowloon, to the absenos of social facilities in Hong-eading a report of the proceedings to the that they could employ a large sum that there were possibilities of obtaining yong which he found were not sufficient for War Office, and he had no hesitation what | money-mich se they decided to devote a suitable site from the War Othes for a naval needs. With regard to the Army he baiding. The matter was prossing one, thought it was obvious that there was not ever in recommending the scheme to the the Memorial to better

favourable consideration of the public emergenc meeting as the Navy had to provides site for its sufficient accommodation of this nature for This building would be's graceful, tribute was called this morning to new club, and it had been suggested, as an the present garrison When the greater to the sent millions who slept homeath whether or not outcome, that a joint scheme be undertaken part of the garrison migrated across the

the

faced with the ing suficient eccommod

LOWER DECK VIEW Two representatives of the Lower Deck spoke of the desire of the Fleet for building such as it was proposed to erect They said that the men of the Fleet wanted social and professions, education that woq!.

teetotal institution. They wanted a first- wherever they went. They were ashame sum of money on a statue. As regards thinly that the Navy did not stand for a equip them to mix with the civilian daw bar and restaurant.. These were to take their friends to the present quarter criticium that the naval military-and civilian elements would not mix he could esential to the success of the Club. In provided for them They wanted a plac only way that his experience on visting conclusion, he wanted to say that he where they could bring their wives an home jar at the close of the war. had would not be on the platform supporting sweethearts. bien that these social barriers were being any scheme which would, in any way, rapidly swept away and common manhood interfere with the splendid work Mr. and brothethood established in its place. Waldegrave was doing in Hongkong.-- Spegang for the civilian population of

(Applause). this Colony he would say that there waLM not one who would not be as pleased to

to the club and play a game of billiards with the midiers and sailors as with his friends,

The resolution was carried.

PATRONS OF NEW CLUB. The Hon. Mr. JOHN JOHNSTONE mitted the following resolution- SUPPORT OF THE ARMY.

That the following gentlemen be invited Major-Generat F. VESTRIS, C.B., said become patrons of the said building. E. that he had written home to the War Office the Governor, Bir R. E. Stubbs, K.C.M.C on November 1st in regard to the site ask-H.E. Vice-Admiral Sir A. L. Du ing them to cable approval; and he hopedK.C.B, HE. Major-General F. Ventr to receive a reply before the end of the 0.3., and Commodore W. Bowden Smit month

"temperance hall where young R.NA

Mr. JOHNSTONE said that, as they we temptation of drink was a necessity in awazo, he succeeded Mr. Landı

(Applause).

Certain reco

obtain the finest site" on which toʻer

it. The Finance Commitico now had matter in hand, and in polat of fact arrangements had beco made by call

the Col

to embrace the Navy, the Army and the water it was absolutely essential that the foreign soil and at taa-bowar of the sea.orve the requirements:

if they cut down their OFFER OF CO-OPERATION. expenditure on an expansivo obelisk

civilians and to provide housing accom- should have some place to which they could modation. It had been suggested that if go when on furlough. From the point of It were possible to obtain that particular view of the civilians, he thought, it was Mr. G. TEDAINS said that they had supported the idea of a comprehen site, that the Navy should erect its own generally samitted that there was ample listened with great interest to what the YMCA building, which would, canteen and be responsible for its manage room for a Club which would meet the previous speakers had said, and hence the events be of use to our fighting serv ment but throw the canteen open to all, needs of persons who were unable to join ground had been cut under his feet. The if indeed, it did, or did not, become and that the Y.M.O.A should erect one of the existing Club. With regard to proposed scheme would benefit mainly the equal value to considerable building, having between 80 and 100 bed the question as to whether it should be Service men, and the cantaeg would benefit young Britons within room, a gymnasium, a swimming pool, aa Y.M.U.A-building, for the reasons which not only the Service men but also civilians, text few years. The result bowling alley and first-class billiard, poms Mr. Holyoak had given, he was entirely and because the scheme would be beng ing that morning was that and a restaurant, together with all other of opinion that it should be. He would ficial to the Services it would receive ment was reached “ that' we should sup conveniences to be found in a first-class confess, in the presence of the Secretary the heartiest support of the Colony this Y.M.C.A. scheme

-(applauso)—making our sporting cob. It was felt that this could of the YMCA, that not many years ago (cheers.) It would provide an up to date only be done by a schons of general he had rather a prejudice against the indoor recreation club, such as did not at War Memorial, but that, exist--e building with swimming time, they should also eract amalgamation, the Army to give the land, Y...A, mainly because he knew nothing pre the Navy to support it with a separate about it, and partly because it appeared baths, gypssium and a large entertain. position in Status Square institution, and ali together to provide a to him to embrace one particular side of menk hall, linked up with living quarters less costly membranes of