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KRASSIN.

MR. LLOYD GEORGE'S STATEMENT

IN PARLIAMENT.

CHANIMOCS DECISION OF THE ALLIES.

We knew M. Krassin's position in the THEATRE

Series Government. With the fall know- Jolge of these facts the Allies passed · tl.js resolution at San Remo :- The Allied, res presentatives will be prepared to discuss with the Russian delegates the best metho

ROYAL,

MR. T. DANIEL FRAWLEY

PRESENTS THE

FRAWLEY

In the House of Commany, on June 7th Cobael Gretton callel attention to the f censoring the obstacles and difficulties in the way of the resumption of percéful trade negotiations between the British Govern relations with the desire of finding a solu- ment and the Sovint Clovernment of Bussi, tion in the general interests of Europs Many han, members, he said, wished for That was the perfectly unanimous decision. jot the Allies (chrers)--- Frince, Italy. information: as to the meaning of the Japan, and Great Britain. It was decided negotiations which were proceeding he not merely to open up trade relations with |tween “MKḤamin and the Prime Minister Russia, bat to open up these relations with

a delegation that was at Copenhagen and some of his colleagues in the Ministry cluding M. Krassin, but excluding M.TO NIGHT

Rear Admiral Sir R. Hall (West Derby, Litvinoff. That is the decison on which we O.T.) seconded the motion.

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Aro acting At the present moment, (Cheers.) This decision was taken by the OPINION OF THE LABOUR PARTY.

official leaders of all the Allied nations, Mr. J. H. Thomas (Derby. Lab.) said, taken after consultation with their Gov the impression minde on his mind by the ernments. We were all armed with autho-

rity from our respective Governments, from FRIDAY, mover and seconder was that if Rumia w our respective Cabinute, before we com- full of good things all their objection, to mitted ourselves to this policy, (Cheers,} the Government's action would fall to the It was discussed fully in Italy, in France, in Great Britain, and we came to the op- ground. (Cries of "No.") The view clusion saanimously all the official Allied SATURDAY, which the Labour Party took of this matter leaders came to the conclusion unasimously was that there never we time when all the official Allied leaders came to the conclusion umanimously-that it was non- peace in the world was more necessary than tial in the interests of the world that we with resume trading relations now. They believed that all the predictions should regarding Russia had been falsified so far Russis. It is a very serious thing to To- Every Russian debate bad predicted within arse a policy come to reluctantly, with all! the elements of dislike, shrinking, and i a few days or weeks the end of Bolshevis natural aversion from doing something rule. He did not believe personally in the which looks like going back upon a policy which you had already embarked upon-in | spite of all these things the Governments came to the conclusion unanimously that it was in the interest, of the scores and hundreds of millions they represented thar this should be tone,

them.

bir, sunnedy Jones (Hornsey, C.U.)</ Who proposed the polies

methods of Soviet rule, but nothing had s tended to sensolidate that rule as the action we had adopted in the past. We had tended to create in the mind of the Russian people thin felma that the world was again,a The complaint against the Prime

Mr. Lloyd George-- really do not think Ministry was that he was entering into very much matters, but if my hon. friend negotiations with someone who say are thinks that yone would shrink from it I accept full responsibility-(cheers)—201 presentative of the Soviet Covernment. He only for taking it but for promoting it. Sabinitted shut if wr were not fo trade And I am glad that all my colleagues agree onially with Russia" beenuse of the Red with me. Why did they do it! Is it not obvious to any man who looks at the facts. Terror, what W28 the justification for throughout the world that there was an trading with Hungary: where there, was a imperative need for it. (Cheers,) Russia White Terror almost as bad as the Red is sential to Europe. (Cheers.) Russia is essential to the world, (Lheers.) Hus Terror in Russia? (A) voien. * Nothing no one bees looking at the figures of the

world production of whwas and wate of the wom."

The Labanar Party wekumed the action rials Willyone-1-mean-au respon of the Prime Mini ter. They felt that the sible person, anyone who can be called to His with as I cuntd in any Court in the right hon. gentleman had not only is Court of public opinion, the Court of the matter correctly interpreted the wish coaster of the world and of my own Conscience-will any one with that respon- the great mass of the people, but they be ability,y that he will deny the world; loved that he was not necessarily endorsing sad to save his own umer propre, because the murders and outrages alleged against straid of a passing clamour, because he afraid being misinterpreted and the Russian Governant. The Labour misrepresented, bar the door of Russia Party were quite satisfied that it was not against the millions who are waiting to get what Russia can produce! "(Hear, hear.) the business of this country to interfere in It is because we realized the peril, becaus the internal affairs of another country, we knew the limitations and the dangers, They believed that the une solution of the because we know the fact that the world was running wa shortage," because it was: world trouble at this moment was not to-Russia which before the war produced 25 continus the war, but at once to bring per cent of the imported food of Europe, that it was necessary that steps should be about peace, which would set

industry taken in order to restore relations with her.

this

of

going and enable us it lasteto anke some You may say. You cannot do it." (Hens,! amends for the difficulties which we were hear.) If you cannot then the blame will experiencing at this moment.

haur,"

not rest with us; but you certainly cannot unless you'try: (Hear, bear.) Why should

We zot!

STORES IN RUSSIA.

F

"E LLOYD GEDCO'S REPLY. Mr. Lloyd George. I think there is an

I enter with considerable diffidence upon: advantage in my getting up at this singe, the next point. We are told Russia has not I have listened to the diferent views that gut any food and material to dispose dt. I

There are many who say that there is a have been expressed upon this very jupert prodigious quantity of grain and ant and grave issue. First of all, I should material in Russia." I could give the House like to give the House just a narrative telegram which came to me this morning from Poland, in which the Poles say that of how the present negotiations have arisen, they have come to the conclusion that there (Hear, hear.) The decision to trade with are considerable quantities of wheat for Russia was taken in Paris, with M. Cleexport in the Ukraine aloze,

Me. Billing (Hertford, Ind.)-1s it pro menceau in the chair.. He, certainly, is not posed to starve Russia?

Bolshevist(faughter-und÷Hon Mr. Lloyd-Geurge. I am dealing with All the Allies were represented. one question. I am dealing with the chal.. It was after a year or 13 months of other lenge that there is nothing in Russia, We efforts to produce some sort of settlement in came to the conclusion on the evidence of Russia. To put it quite mildly, those these anti-Bolshevist co-operative store- efforts were but a stiegs. (Hear, heur,) keepers, The Poles, came to the same con- The produce of Russia the contribtion of clusion. There are men who say you have Rusas to the essentials of life were seen got nothing. There are others, I will not to be as remote as ever. Peage in Europe say equally well informed, because who can seemed to be as remote us ever, and we came way is well informed, but who have the same to the conclusion quite unanimously that oppertunities of obtaining information, it was desirable, at any rate, to open up who say there are prodigious quantities in trading relations with Russia. We took the Ukraine, in Kuban, and Siberia. (An the evidence of refugees from Russia, who Hou, Member White Russians say so had been driven out of the country by the also." I agree. The peasants are storing Boislerists. We did not net on Bolshevist it because they cannot sell, evidence; we acted on anti-Bulsheyist evidener. They were associated

The mere fact that sia is starving is who no proof at all that there is not plenty were Russians

of grain. The whole of Southern Russia with the co-operative

has been torn by revolution until recently. movement in Russia, anti upon their Even if there were transport, that transport,

testimony, and a

generni

review has been absorbed on one side or the other

.of the situation, พง oume agai- in the carrying of material and,men for the mously to the conclusion that it was in the armies: One of the objects of trading is interest of the world that we should re to improve the transport. (Hear,, bear.) open trading relations with Russia. That That is one of the advantages. I agree that way the first step.

it is transport that stands in the way, Then there was a meeting in London, *t There is no doubt, from the evidence that the latter end of February. There France we have got, that there grain in Russia, was represented by M. Millerand and Italy oil, fax, and timber-all of them essential by, I think, Signor Nitti. Japan was also commodities for this country. There is represented. This decision was taken equally no doubt that transport deficient ; The Allies cannot enter into diple-and in order to get these commodities with matic relations with the Soviet Government, in reach of the people who are starving, in view of their past experiences, until what we want to do is so to reorganize the they have arrived at a conviction, that

trading facilities of Russia that they can Bolshevist horrors have come to an end bring corn within reach of the people: Kad that the Government of Moscow is Unless you begin you will never end. ready to conform its methods to those of all fcivilized "Governments. The British and

Swis Governments were both compelled to! expel representative of the Soviet Govern“, disapprove of the Government. That surely end from their respective countries, Com is a new doctring. Is it really to be sug merce between Russia and the rest of gested that you are not to trade with a. Europe, which is so essential for the mountry whose Government you condemn, provement of economic conditions, not only that you are not to trade with a country in Russia, but in the rest of the world, will Lieut. Col. Archer-Shee (Finsbury; CU.)

which is miegoverned?.

་ be encouraged to the utmost degree That was the doctrine laid down in the sible without relaxation of the attitude French Revolution.

doscribed, abov¿,”

THE 20VIET GOVERNMENT.

I am told, you must not do it because we

English

Then wo inet ke San Remo - Action had Mr. Lloyd Georg Pv whom?. Livat Col. Archer-Shee-The boen taken upon those twa resolutions, and Government had nothing to do with France Russia had offered to send to this country after the Revelation. adelegation headed by M. Krawin and M. Litvinoft

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