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kru, 1919.

HONGKONG LEGISLATIVE | Laying jun-loft, Wictoria, BC, mentioned Lots be altered from the fat

panied by † Europesa, Police Officera justanuary, 1890,, as follows s released from military duty, ke The whole of Shamshuipo, from 104. Of the 168 on the strength on sind per cent to 13 per cent, with the excep ONS REGARDING POLICE December, 1912, 3 are on leave, 8 are still

toa of the old village lots, and the Now on Active Services and are on their 164, 166, 178, 131, 189, 90%, and 219, which Kowloon Inland Lots Nos 140, 154, 189, PAY

from Victoria as stated above. There are may be altered from 100 per cent to 1 158 in the Colony at present

REPEAL OF MILIMARY SERVICE.

ORDINANCE ANY

RETIREMENT OF THE BOR, MEL

WAR

C

In this congection it should also be noted that the Indian forca has been

ght up to strength being only s below the 1919 Estimate of 481.:-

sbore the number provided for in the There are 13 Chinese Police over and 1919, Estimates which provide for Chinese Police,

per cent

the

the exception of Kowloon Marine Lots. The whole of Fuk Toun Beurs with Nos. 28, 33, and 43, from 19) per al te 13 per cent. A meeting of the Legislative Council

cent to 15 per cent.

The Tai Hang District, from 10 par was held in the Council Chamber yester

Secretary remarked that all the lots, with

In moving

the resolution the Colonial day at noon. There were present

HIS EXCELLENCE THE GOVERNOR (Bir-In view of the greatly increased been supplied with fire services, which exception of those specified, had now REGINALD EDWARD STUBBS, KCMG)

cost of living in this Colony, as added three-quarters per cent, and water HIS EXCELLENT MAJOR-GENERAL, F.

elsewhere in the world, will the service so that they were rateable at the VESTRIS, CB (General oficer command-

Government consider the advisabi-full amount of 13 per cent. ing Troops in Culas),"

tality of a substantial increase in the

The lots Hors, M CLAUD SEVER, Guany of the N. C.O's and men on the

where the increage was from 10 to 19 (Colonial Secretary).

per cent had no fire service CESANA La European Branch of the Force i

This has already been recognised mide They are now waiting the the necessary recommendations, bare Proval of the Secretary of State.

Q-What Would an increase of 30% on

Hon. Mr. J. H, GRE, (Attorney-General

Hon. Mr. C. Mcl Massax, O.RE. (Colonial TramKUTEF), ***

HOME W CHATHAM C. MG. (Director of Public Works),"

W

Hop. ME. R. HALIFAX, OFE ahess men's salaris cost the Govern (Secretary for. Chiniot Wors (Captain-£1,910 including all ranks of Euro

Chase Affairs

Superintendent of Polica).“

Hon Mr. H. E. POLLOCK, K.C. Hon-Mr. Lau CHU PAKA

Hon. Mr. Ho Foo

Hon. Mr. B.. G; Barwar, ~**

Hon. Mr B. Y. D. RAZR

Hon. Mr. J. JOHNSTÓK.

them menta

Mr. J. A. BULLOCK (Clerk of Councils).

NOTICE OF MOTION.

Hon Mr. H. E POLLOCK-Sir, I beg to give notice that at the next meeting of this Council I intend to move the following two Easolutions, namely:

typicana excepting Superintendents

35

and

d

the resolution was passed the COLONIAL TREASURE seconded and

THEATRE REGULATIONS,

*

are they will not hang back when they ses their seniors joining. I wish success. to the new Carpa

The Bill was then read a second time. Council

went into Committee to con-

amendment and, upon Council resuming. sider the Bill clause by clause. The Bill passed

through Committee without The COLONIAL SECRETARY

Bill be read & third time moved that the The COLONIAL TREASURER seconded and the Bill was read a third time and passed. "The ATTORNEY-GERAL joined the Coun- cil when the Bill was being read a second time,

·A. POINT OF ORDER. ail adjourns, I should like to rise on a Hon. Mr. PotLOOK Before the Caun- point of order.

Your Excellency mada an observation. just now with regard to the practice of this Council to ask for petice of questions to be put. Now, air, do not for one moment dispute that is at the Council, be doneral regulations of

has practice of this Council in the past and it is a well known practice in the House of Commons, for members to be allowed to ask questions arising out of to prvious questions of which notice of motion has been given. Sir, I am not MILITARY SERVICE REPEAL ORDINANCE, 1919. make these remarks. Arst took my speaking, without some experience of the Legislative Council of

of this Colony when General is busy in another place and General so far back as February, 1896, H.E. the GOVERNOR-The Attorney, sest in this Council as Acting Attorney- is therefore unable to move the first read over 3 years ago. Since then, sir, for of the Day, but this. Ordinance contains have been either an official or an un- ing of the BIN appearing on the Orderstwo-thirds of my time in the Colony I nothing of a legal character at all and I official member of this Council. I think therefore, that we can dispense

air; that scos supplementary

The COLONT SECRETARY by command of E.E. the Governor, laid upon the table Regulations made under section six of the Places of Public Entertainment Regulation Ordinance, 1919.

I

answera

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If the reply to question No. 4 is in the negative, will the Government consent to the formation of a com mitte to enquire into the matter, Q.--Will they appoint as members of

lians whose knowledge of the pai explained in some remarks I made to the tion by reason of their employment Defence Corps, when I had the honour of considerable numbers of Euroof inspecting them on parade, and which pean workers best fita them to give caused to be published in the public authoritative advice on the subjectPress, that it was intended to reconstitute That, with a view to giving facil

A-In view of the sewer to question the auxiliary forces of the Colony on a tice for summercial expression, our questions & and 7 do not arise. I would voluntary basis as before. In order that mittee of the Legislative Council be the Government proposes, pending the is proposed that a new Bill should be add, howen, that, if the Council agrees, things may be arranged satisfactorily it appointed, consisting of His Excellency receipt of the Secretary of State's deci

introduced the General Omer Commanding and

early next year and meanwhile two Ufficial and three. Unothalal Mension, to pay all European Police Con- apsild be taken to consider in what way it would be best to differ from the stables the present maximum salary of old Volunteer Ordinance. I prepone to bers of the Legulative Council, for the that grade as from the 1st of January. purpose of considering and reporting

appoint a Committee for drafting this Bit to this Council upon the resumption

My hon. and gallant friend, by He Hongkong Guvernment of the Hon. Mr. E E. Pollock-Arising out Major-General Ventris, has under- Military Establishments on the Queen of the answar to qucation one, I should mittee. The Attorney-General will assist preside Over the Com- Road and the terms and conditions of like to ask a surcotary question, in drafting the measure and the Com- such resumption.

namely whether the Government has commandant of the Defence Corpe has been municated with the decretary of State asked to be a member. I also propose to with a view to ascertaining it any pro appoint representatives of the officers and mise was made to any of these recrtite of the rank and file and the Committee of an increase of 45 per cent, or same will be completed by a representative of other increase, on their arrival in the the Colony.net

the employers of these persons who may expected to volunteer whom I have asked the Chamber of Commerce to nominate. We may hope that a committee draft a Volunteer Ordinance that will be formed on those lines will enable us to most suited to the requirements of this Colony. I will now ask the Colonial Secretary to move the first reading.

that committee two or more civi- with his assistance in the matter. I have fat may be difficult to answer with-

1920&UPPLEMENTARY - QUESTIONS.

1.E. THE GOVERNOR-It is the custom in this Council for notice to be given of all questions and I must ask the hon. member to give notice of his question.

taken

to

1-That the various "Eousing Schemes for diferent sections of the community in various districts of the Colony be now referred by the Govern ment to the Public Works Committee of the Legislative Council, with, power to that Committee to make suggestiona as to the carrying out and financing of such schemes and as to the improve ment of the methods of communication with the outlying districta which are sought to be developed by such scherbes. QUESTIONS" BY ME. 7. JOUNALONE .0

The COLINIAL SECRETARY, by command of H.E Governor, laid upon theThe Colonial Secretary then moved the Hon Mr. J. Jonaron asked the of table ional paper 14 Quarterly Re first reading of the Bill, intituled "An lowing questions, the reply in each case tur Excesses on Sub-Heads met by Ordinance to repeal the Military Service. being read by the Colonial Treasurerings under Heads of Expenditure, romance, 1917 and the General Military

Q-Will the Government give any into the 3rd quarter of 1919."

Service Ordinance, 1918 formation regarding the present dispute concerning the pay of cer tain recently arrived Europeans of. HE the Governor, laid upon the The CULONIAL SECRETARY, by command for the Police Force 1

PAPER,

FINANCE

table Finance Minutes Nos. 126 to 12 and moved that they be referred to the

Finance Committee.

The COLONIAL TREASURE seconded, and this was agreed to..

The COLONIAL TREASURER seconded, and this was agreed to...

PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTER.

The COLONIAL TREASURER Beconded ind the Bill was read a first time

OBJECTS AND REASONS.

put notice, but I do not think, with all duo deference, that applies to the supple- mentary question I put quite easy for the Government to answer It is surely straight out and at once whether they did or did not communicate with the Secre tary of State by telegram on this allered offer, which according to the recruits, was made to when they left bore, that their pay would be increased directly. upon their arrival in the Colony at was an easy question to answer and I think, sir, that in asking that supple mentary question I am following the practice not only of this Council but the very well known practice which exists in the House of Commons the practice of this Council, I confess I H.E. the GOVERNOR-With regard to spoke merely from my custom of this Council in the past to knowledge of the rules as they stand. If it has been the ignore those rules I submit that it is time the custom was abolished. The hon. mem- be refers to the practice in the Rouso of Commons dad there are many things in the House of Commons we do not follow and many things we wisely do not I have had experience of other Colonies follow and this, I think, is one of them. and, in no case, to my knowledge are supplementary questions taken without notice.

we then held.

A meeting of the Finance Commie

FINANCE COMMITTEE.

The COLONIAL SECRETARY presided at....... the meeting of the Finance Committee. KXAMINATION BALDE.

The Governor recommended the Coan-

The CHAIRMAN-This vote is required

The Objects and Reasons" state:- abolish compulsory service for local dollars in ald of the Public Works Ex- 1. The main object of this bill is toeil to vote sum of three thousand

the bill also proposes to repeal the defence, the necessity for which, has now traordinary, Hongkong, Miscellaneous,

(24) Miscellaneous Works. Ordinance which introduced compulsory rolment for service outside, the Colony 3.When the bill becomes law these who were formerly members of the Hong members of the Hongkong Defence Corps

Volunteer Reserve will revert automati kong Volunteer Force or Hongkong cil to vote a sum of one thousand nine The Governor recommended the Coun

for the various examination abeds which have been erected on the Praya

The vote was agreed to

`ĮMON BUNKS, -

A-4 gumber of recruits who arrived recently represented to the Government that on signing their agreements. ther were promised in some cases a substantial in others a 45% increase over and above the amount of salary stated in their The COLONIAL SECRETARY, by command agreements and that they were further of HE the Governor, laid upon the informed that such increase if not already table the report of the proceedings of the approved would be approved by the time Finance Comittee No.. 12 and moved they arrived in the Colony. Un arrival that it be adopted. they found that the question of the gro posed incrouse in salaries was still under consideration and it is not settled yet

cally to their former status and ranks hundred and twenty-five dollars in and In reply to their representations they The COLONIAL SECRETARY, By commanding to these two bodies will require reviments, 4-Police, Other Charges, Iron in those bodies, but the Ordinances refat of the vote Police and Frón Depart were informed that a substantial increase of H.E. the Governor, iaid upon the legislation for that purpose a 2000 a had been recommended to the Secretary table the report of the proceedings of the possible,

sion

and it is proposed to introduce Bunka.

The CHAIRMAN.-Thesa bunks are to r of State but that no payment of increas rubric Wols Committee, No. 5. ed salaries could be made until the

4-8imultaneously with the coming the Police Station. The iron bunks, place the unsanitary wooden benches at Secretary of State's approval had beeqmittee referred to the proposal to con- to issue a proclamation cancelling the In March 20 these were contraried for The report of the Public Works Con- into operation of this bill it is proposed which are double bunka, cost 853 each. received. However en bruges conside struct, a public convenience at Barker calling pilitary hervor and Corps for and were so successful that it was decided ed that they had been brought out to the road station, and was as follows:- Colony owing to any misrepresentation or misunderstanding the Government was

The Chairman submitted plans show members of the Volunteer Reserve as mem service also pro- clamation cancelling the enrolment of the

to construct 15 more, making :35 in all. willing to repatriate them if necessary.

ing the levels of the roads in thebers of the Volunteer Force, so that mem..

The vote was agreed to. Thereupon 19 men erpressed their desire

vicinity of Larker Bead Station and bers of those two bodies will revert to to be repatriated, and unless there in

the position in which it was proposed their former peace status. some change in the situation in the in- terval which must necessarily elapse be fore passages can be secured the men will; be given the opportunity of returning

home

Q-In view of the recent armed rob beries and acts of violence.com mitted in the heart of the City, do the Government consider the pr sent Police Force (including the recently joined members) be suffici, ent strength to adequately deal with samo either (1) by neang the number on point duty, or patrol duty 1 ..

1.

by Government to construct the c005. These proclamations will take effect venience. The position was on the from and after the 31st day of December, hillside immediately to the north of the 1919. "Station and below the level of Planta tion Road, the roof of the proposed road. With regard to the two sites sng structure being about.level with the gested by the Sub-Committee of the Sanitary Board in their report dated the 14th August, 1910, he explained that, owing to their distance from the Read, it was extremely improbable that Station and the steepness of Plantation

.

PUBLIC CONVENIENCE.

The Governor recommended the Coun in aid of the vote Public Works, Extra- cil to vote a sum of two thousand dollars ordinary, Hongkong, Buildings, Latrines Duddel Street, and Urinals: Erection of a Latrine in

made certain recommendations upon the The CHAIRMAN-The Sanitary Board

fanes in the neighbourhood of Duddell subject of the insanitary condition of the

latrine in the hope of affecting an in- Street, and it was decided to erect this

provement,

The COLONIAL BECRETARY then moved the suspension of the Standing Orders in through all its stages at one meeting order that the Bill might be carried The COLONIAL TREASURER seconded and this was agreed to.

The COLONIAL SECRETARY moved the second reading of the Bill

The COLONIAL TREASURER seconded,

the G.O.C.-Iuppose the the existing buisance would be ramed: General Officer Commanding, may be ed if the convenience were located on of this kind. The Bill itself is nothing,cil to vote a sum of one thousand three

expected to

Jay a few words on a Bill The Governor recommended the Coun either of them. He mentioned that but it is the future about which I wish hundred and twenty dollars in aid of the

Boats: Repairs, vate Police and Prison Departments,

The vote was agreed to....

LAUNOT REPAIRS,

rough-closeta existed in several paris to say a few words I shall stood Police, Other Charges," Launches and

of the City, in proximity to houses el sion to add one more member to the

inperior dass, occupied by Earomittee which His Excellency the Governor Peans, and no complaint with regard has outlined and that will be a to these had reached him to represent the men returned from active member Mr. Alabaster stated that he bad not service. I think with such a represents

able

The vote was agreed to.

WAIKE. WORKS.

A-When all the men applied for have arrived and men who went home to serve in His Majesty's Forces return, the Police Force should be in sinir position to deal with the increase in crimes of violence. "Should it however be found that the force requires further strengthening, the neces sary increases will be recommended realized, from the plan submitted to live Committee as that we shall be cil to vole & sum of five thousand dollars.

to posed by the Government was in the simple enough, it is the regulations which ordinary, Hongkong, Water Works, (20) He therefore withdrew his opposition are important. The regulations of the Miscellaneous Water Work position which had been explained

(1) on pain date number of mater are being increased as new men arrive *****; (2) on pathol duty to and have been increased since the begin ning of the year.

Q-It, as seem reasonable in view of recent events, the reply to questigh No. 2 is in the negative, will the

pl

to everyone. The Bill will

The Governor recommended the Loun

CHAIRMAN-Four

to the proposal to threat care and they were drawn up with of the Gun Mis-Four Chomasang dollars

old Defence Corps to recomTerritorial Forces mend that the construction of the con have been found very suitable and will be main at Shaukiwan East. The estimate regulations. They of cost over the estimate of the new fre venienes in the position proposed by well suited to any Volunteer Corps what was prepared in 1917. The cost was in Government be proceeded with: The Cozoria Sec-TARY having pe say is that 1.

ever. At present all I am at liberty to creased by about 3500 owing to the neces

brick piers, and shall

considerably reduced bar at hankiwan on wooden bales and

The vote was agreed to

MEDICAL DEPARTMENT,

"Government give an information gard to the report of the Public Works number of drill commend that the sity of carrying the pipe line across the

regarding the steps to be taken, Committee, moved the resolution which and also the number of days at camp or which have already been taken, to increase the numbers of the as before the Council at its previous I must not conclude without once more. European Police Force meeting, that the erection of the latrine thanking the old Defence Corps for their 4-In the Estimates for 1919, 100n the site mentioned in the report be magnificent services and I trust that at Europeans were provided for. On 22nd

approved. December, 1918, the European strength

the first parade of the new Corps The COLONIAL TREASURI seconded, and ice most of the same fases again with shall was 168 exclusive of the two offers who the motion was carried. have died within the last week. The num

many more of the younger men who have come to the Colony since the war. There ber of European Polis provided for in the 1920 Estimates is 183

The COLONIAL SECRETARY moved the over the ages of 21 and 22 years and they are many, who have returned who are Forty-eight Baronean Recruits have of the Hating Ordinance, 1001, Ordinance require any recruits training at all, hat fallowing reaslation, under section 31 (1) will really be trained, men and will not been engaged in England during the No. of 1901 3- year of whom 33, have arrived and 16 Reeclved by the Legislative Council men who have reached the age of 20 years there are a certain number of younger have not yet arrived. Ten Recruits are that the percentages on the valuation of since the Armistice and these are the men Et present on their way to Hongkong tenemente payable us rates on the underwo wish to get in na reertita. I am quite.

The Governor recommended the Coun

to vote a sum of seven hundred dollars Medical Department- in aid of the follown votes:-

Civil, Hospital. Other Charges :——

Fuel and light

8000.00 Offer of Health Officer of Port,

Other Charges: Launch: Stores

Total

300.00