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LORD ROBERT CEOIL ON LABOUR DEMANDS.

SHARE IN INDUSTRY. Addressing the Centre Party, recently, Lord Robert Cecil said: I never talk to anyone skilled in finance whose duty it has been to survey the economic condi- tion in Europe without coming away in a condition of profound gloom. There is no doubt that the economic position in

Europe is very serious. That is the result of the gigantic waste of war, of the fact that for four or Eve years an enormous quantity of buman effort has been em. ployed in manufactures which have been blown into the air, which produce nothing whatever, the destruction of human life the destruction of material wealth, and

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worker) means State ownership or man- is agement; if that is what is meant, it quite plain that that will not in itself him any good. The change private employer to a State employer will merely substitute bureaucracy for private man agement. That is nos at all likely to make for liberty. Guild Socialism, it by that is meant a system by which all those who

are engaged in the industry are lo be sharers in the management, has much There is a good deal to be said for Guild more to be said for it, in my judgment. Socialism, but I cannot quite make out. after talking with advocates of this pro-

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pasil, that they have year by Gatle Socialism. They seem to think that it

control does involve some ultimate

the by State, and if it involves that, in my judg meut it t will not really solve the difficulty. and it will be

be exposed to ail the chjee- den; and State tion that State managemen

do ownership have. At the same time feel that, whether we accept or reject. these

1 for one reject them on

all the other gigantic waste of war. Then both of them--certainly State)

there are all the expedienta which have Socialism,

If we reject these we are been taken to tice ever that waste. the bound to offer something to meet the And let

be

afraids

question of currener STOR of curgitimate demands

before,

desir

am vehemently in am not going into a rency-all these things are

to pro say this:

1 believe

very duce great

onic difficul to pro- of better housing.

and you that some reform of tran is economic

transport have the perpetual desire of to be as able. I am not going to discuss whether Actual transport proposals of the being Government are good or bad; but I am which r

of this. that neither housing quite sure Is is ur transport are than a mere bas not reached its summit yet.

touch the Do not let us have real

difficulty going to be wo

delusion of that point. This country any

alteration of wages

, and OFE and it is one of the facts borne in upon

As they were that of "bout the the Table. That is a state of thin

necessary for

Worse,

hours is going to touch the real difficulty. You havu deeper than that if you are to get

much if

the

us by the history of the last four years. to KD that each country depends upon every at the rout of the disense, and in somo other-this country is far less injured b

another I an absolutely convinced the war than other country in Europeas or

any other belligerent country in Europe you have got to give to the wage-earners and all are going through a very bad share in the management of the in- dustry in which are employed, and time indeed: That

It must

should myself rejoice very And we shall have to bear, and we ought to bear, if we are wise, a a part ·kz. their burden, because if

there is

is complete anan- cial and economie catastrophe in Europe, be assured that we shall not escape. Therefore we shall have to bear a con- siderable portion of that burden.

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I a very early date to the House of rons and say to them: We are not in favour of State Socialism, we are not in favour of making the State the

ployer

of labour, but we do believe in a There is the phenomenon observable to change in the direction of giving a man a larger share in the management and all the tremendous amount af suspicion.

if I had my ways a direct ask them to share in the about in this country. All classes suspect profits of the industry one another. You can see it in the wage

produce a a complete and elaborate scheme earning class. You can Fabourers on the farms, profound suspi- should say

und at this moment is unreasonable. But they We are working on these cion: the profound belief that they are principles, and that will be our alterna- being cheated by somebody. You can see tive policy to the demand for the nation it everywhere, and it affects the Governalisation of the mining industry and ment. Ї from very different sources the wild and tha thos. I am certain of

have been struck in hearing ther

this. absolutely baseless charges against

Government;

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1 BEI as strong as anybody in favour of resisting the unreasonable

sor of hidden that there are demands of labour, though I feel as pro-

corruption, all of them in my judgment the product of a calladis as anybody that is for the su direct "action, it is the duty of diseased imagination. It is not only in the Government to resist such things to this country you find just the same the utmost of their powers, still I do not thing in Fr

France and I have no doubt the think that policy by itself 19 sufficient. same in Italy. I am a

We must go forward with remedial mea- sures as well.

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shall have to add that somehow or the Govern ment is deficient in moral authority do not protend to give any definite ex planation. But apart from those wid

Lord Robert, went on to insist that no charges of corruption, which I put aside as fantastic, the kind of charge that is unless he realises that the English are a one can understand the English mind made against them is that they are profoundly idealistic people. The war opportunist as to be insincere. It is proved this. The Englishman was not very common charge that they have no definite views or opinions; that

Sghting for England; he was fight they are

ing fur the ideals for which merely looking out as to what will pay land stood, and that made him an ex- them best. do not think anyone enn traordinarily formidable gater, because doubt that that impression exists, und iden's never die and whether be lived or there is only one remedy for it Bay died, whether he won or lost, he was con this

you, gentlemen, but I would say vinced that these ideals to

Would it to every member of the Government

go on. were they present. is only one cure

His lordship thought this idealism was for it, and that is complete candour and the cause of some of the misunderstand- ink between us and our Celtic friends. complete firmness, (Cheers.) Then there He did not think that the Irish are, is another reason that contributes, and idealists in the serse in which the Eng that is our old friend Dora,, and what fish are, and this was the great dificulty sbe represents, control the impatience, in dealing with the Irish question. with the necessary restrictions of liberty. the continued) have forgotten Years ago

that we ever conquered Ireland, The the bottom of their bearts. have never forgotten it-it runs right to For these two reasons they do bitterly (I am talk ing about the South of Ireland) hate

You must recognise that. That really at the bottom of the thing, it is only deceiving ourselves if we think they merely want a Government according to Irish ideas. What they want is to be That is the governing thece

Frelaad. If that is at all the ordinary with impatience, between

Dery diagnosis of the situation, I must agree employers and ployed-you get the two streams of irrita at a settlement is exceedingly desirable; pro. on together which increase the unfoundly as I skier als very

as far as I have followed the popularity of the Government at the pré- Prime Minister's latest utterance, in sent time. Well, now, these are facts. 1 de not myself think that anything the accepting the view that the most hopeful Government can do will remove its un-mination, but it must be real self-deter-

settlement must

Le based on self-deter popularity, but I think it is true that its mination only chance is to have a respectable un-

You must go as far as popularity.

CD in the direction of what the Irish that when the chases of

of themselves wish. It is

is no use to draw

IMPATIENCE OF GOVERNMENT And there is this further point, which I do not think is always coticed, that since production and trade have been very largely controlled, necessarily con- trolled, during the war, whenever there is an industrial dispute, the dispute im mediately takes the form of a

not between the employers and em free from us.

but between the workers and the ment. The result is that you get

ordinary

while

Government English impatience of pins cf a great part of the South of

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is no good unless it is what the Irish hand, you would give all the people of

Ulster, who are after all, a perfectly Arrived Hongkong on September 24th, 1319 but they really were honest, honour-

There must be some hope of patriotic men,"

wape and when a fresh hnality. It is no use, difficulty comes upon the country they view, to establish something which will

from my point of getting what they wanted, and you would have treated Ireland in exactly the same will return to them again for leadership not last-that it should last for ever

of Peace "way as the makers of the I and advice.

have treated

Buch as But that is not the only thing which is rate, for some time-it should have some do not expect, but it should last, at any

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out what we understand in dealing with is to have some prospect of finality you countries is meant by the pris Company's, Godowns at Kowloon, where each I speak as an Englishman-a pro must apply two testa,

of self-determination, and you found and real love of liberty. We are fram that section of the Irish which. If at any rate, have some prospect of finality ad delivery can be obtained as the Goods art.

It must take away would have a settlement which would,

agitating for something fresh. bave tried to describe their power of

and some chance of freeing as from the incubus of the Irish question.

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principle in dealing with the questions in any case whatever.

Concluding, his lordship urged that the to obtain a lasting settlement, you must of which he had treated should be to aim not incur the charge of deserting the

at union based on liberty,

Damaged packages must be left in the Go- That the downs for examination by the Consignees, and

It is quite true you will have after which date they cannot be recognised.

a factory or read about a mine to the rest of Ireland what the against that the combative instincts of No Claims will be admitted after the goods

give

say

MACKINNON, MACKENZIE & CO.,

Agente P.&O. ÉN.CO. Hongkong, September 24th, 1915. (1998

the only people in the world who under stand it, who know what liberty is, and that, I am certain, is really at the bottom of the greater part of the industriel un- rest. It was growing much before the war.

very believe it was certain to come upon us even if there had no war, but, of course the war has greatly people of Ulster, 1 am satisfied that you said) is not a mere phrase. I believe if the Company's Surreyors, Mears GODDARD hastened it There

is nothing new or will have to comply with these two prin- you give to human beings liberty of & DOUGLAS, at 10 AM on MONDATS fresh about the demands of the wage do not see any, way of avoiding the con- corporate, action that they will tend to within ten days of the Eteamer's arrival hare

And ciples, if you are driven to them I

setion they have so strong & tendency to THURSDATE All Claims must be presonied earners ne understand them. They nak

that you must exclude Ulster." Ro over 1

must exclude Ulster,

unite. and if you are ask myself how should I like to be 10 position of one of these wage-earners.

want

you independence

a human being, but the instinet for cor have left the Godown. them the

which

very largest It is not that they are so very badly off; more

life in humanity is so strong that porate YOU DOS- off; sibly can. Let the den they have good aome northern towns they have

money, many of them.

that they for union, you may hope for co- plenty of affairs absolutely. I do not de, their own hope one give people freedom you may The amusement. They read the papers with Navy, or

they operation, you may hope for peace. can have

foreign a separate

policy, or whole of the League of Nations was con- interest. They catch you up if you make

slightest mistake in describing the 10

you will have

give them relations per wc, that, but if you go into-) Europe. It

any of the nations of a large measure of

measure of independence if you of each country, you 15 to five them HALF A CENTURY RÉPUTATIONS

complete. their factories

recognise that

PILLA FOR, THR you will have to make every

DELE CLERG'S and take away all the obstacles to union machine doing, minute after certain financial adjustments as between and co-operation. I venturs to say that Latalaanis for use of the important orguis front of

LITER & LIONCIS minute, bour

Ulster and the rest of Ireland. Now, if we must aim

cho Bích, Giat. Rination đường week after welter hour, day after day.

year after year, precar cely say that I

11am kaked what I mean by Blater, liberty for il liberty first; Gravel. Fains

and international Price SB, leading Cheminor pois free. De I cisely the same thing without any change I mead by asking the people, county by would find out what

be liberty, but

for Chad Man, Co, Haverstock. BOLD, & W., without any variation. You say that is county if necessary, what they wished.

real liberty all classes. the kind of life which must be almost In that way you would have, at any rate,

These are the views which, Lorno, Emandex. Depot's Paris, 12. Eas intolerabic

for my

Castrentaosa; New York, 90, “ERREMÄN URMARE, It is to a

large extent inevit this result. You would have the South, and it is to the Government we must

antees I believe are the only guar able.

Foronto, ram, Lang Ausznia, Azizon BaoB, for peace and netice, and liberty,

"Sydney and Belabano ; Baw Zuktam Daze Co. Giving the worker for nationalisation, Lord

the rest of Ireland, without any power

look for the application of these great at Auckland Chrbach Dunedin, Welling. Robert Cecil said: "It by that he (the

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my judgmany, but short of that. inceived in these ideas. You are not to in

to

terfere with the sovereign independence

posibility to unite and co-operate,

it

ine consideration to the demand of of bolding up the British Empire, which principles towards solving the problems ota; Indin, i, K. Pami & Co. Calcutta

(Continued at foal of next column.).

that are before UL.