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In the House of Commons on June 3rd. Major E. Wood moved: --

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Sir H. Craik did not think the Scottish members fared so badly under the present arrangement that they ought to cut the painter. If they did, they could not ex- peet half of the Cabinet positions and all the other important positions in England.

GOVERNMENT ATTITUDE.

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Mr. W. Long explaining the attitude of the Government in regard to the pro posal, stated that they had decided that the proper contrae was to leave the debate freely and absolutely to the members of

Home Rule Act. did deprive the citizens of the North of Ireland of a great deal of their birthright "as citizens of the United Kingdom. That was" always his (Sir Edward's) contention, and that was That, with a view to enabling the In

the reason he was prepared to fight and periat Parliament to devote more aften-

I would be prepared to fight again. (Heat, tion to the general interests of the Unitedhear.) As to the motion, this was, he sup- Kingdom, and, in collaboration with the

posed, one of the most important motions the House had had this session, or indeed other Governments of the Empire, to matters of commen Imperial concern, this

in any session. It was a motion suggest House is of opinion that the time has ing the setting up of a Committee to come for the creation of subordinate legis

frame practically a new Constitution for the House. Iatures within the United Kingdon, and the United Kingdom. "And look at the

As a supporter of the federal system he that to this end the Government, with empty state of the House (Hear, bear.) confessed that the wording of the motion. If anything could demonstrate the condi-placed him in the same difficulty as that out prejudice to any proposals it may have to make with regard to Ireland. tion into which they had faller under the in which the loader of the Irish Unionist should forthwith appoint a Parliaments present state of affairs it was the appear-party faund himself. There was a phrase ary body to consider and report. ».

ance of the House that evening. They in it which was misleading, and was very had set up, and he had been great-puzzling. The words seemed to be des ly in favour of it, a system of Grand truetive of the motion itself. The motion he was anxious to support was a motion morning advising there should be a Parliamentary

} Committees working from till night. He believed if things went Committee set up to inquire and make tes

属 system commendations upon a system of subordi

-Upon a measure of Federal Devo- lution applicable to England. Scotland, and Ireland, defined in its general pat lines by existing differeners in law and adrainistration between the three coun- tries;

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Upon the extent to which these differences are applicable to Welsh con- ditions and requirements: and,

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(Hear hear.) He admitted that he dom

If that be the decision of the

re-supported the proposal," but he never House, as he hoped it might be, it seemed

that that action would prejudice in any to him a contradiction in terms to my

way action regarding Ireland.

3. Upon the financial aspects and quirements of the measure." He said that if it were trar, as had been whole of the time of han members whold for a moment thought it meant that the

said, that the House of Commons had be taken up in Grand Committee, and that they would be unable to give any receded in public estimation, it was due attention-whatever-to-the House-itself

As strong federalist he always maiu- to the fact that we had been asking too That was disastrous (Hear, hear.) Attained that if it was necessary to alter much of our machinery. The departmen.that moment the House was considering their Parliamentary system by some divi.

sion of business. Pay should treat thể" United Kingdomly on the sauc terms, and give to all the members of the the same Parliamentary rights as before. United Kingdom the same privileges and If they chose, in setting up a federal system, that there should be some sepa rate treatment fur Ireland, ther he could not vote for the resolution.

tal pressure on Ministery to-day bad so grown in intensity that they had either to neglect their departments or the House of Commons. It was almost impossible for a departmental chief to form an intel- ligent opinion on one-half of the subjects which came before him, as a member of the Cabinet Instead of the old stem of collective responsibility of the Cabinet. we had government by semi-independent departments, with an appeal to a com mittee of Ministers to settle differences, or to an outstanding personalite like the Prime Minister, and that was a com plete revolution in our system of govern

inent.

a grave constitutional qustion in the absence of the great body of members, who would later be asked to come down and pronounce upon the arguments pro caeding that put an end to the whole use fulness of this Parliament as a legislative body for the United Kingdom, and also,

beyond the seas. (Hear, hear.) to a certain extent. for our Dominions

As one of the oldest members of the

It was a ques

even

If this was a motion to inquir," as to whether there ought to be a devolation of House, if he could honestly do so he would some of the business of the House to other vote preferably for leaving things as they bodies he would certainly support it. He were. But the times had changed, and believed they were coming to fast, that the people must be given a feeling of con- they would have to come to it. But he idence that their "just and legitimate believed also that when they came to in-demands were met by Parliament. That all that was no less true of investigate how it ought to be done they could not be done without a devolution of dividual members. If representative in would be up against a problem in which a refused to approach the question as

duties. stitutions were to be made a reality, and they ought not to interfere without the one of different nations. members of Parliament were to be some- greatest possible amount of information tion of different parts of the United thing more than machines to register and knowledge beforehand, and with an Kingdom having their different require decrees of right hon. friends, they must be absolute certainty of what they were ments looked after. able to keep in touch with their constit

(Hear, hear.) doing and its et spon all legislation instance, at present in connection with ents, and form some judgment on matters. of Government.. But the solution or education, separate bills were introduced that came before them. Everyone knew the paper he objected to, in the first place for England, Ireland, Scotland,

and that was impossible at present: The war because he did not understand what was Wales. Was not and international problems would rankemennt by saving without prejudice to

that turving the Im- Parliament into a separate legisla the ordinary man take a rontinnot in any proposals it may have to make with ture for the various parts of the United terest in foreign policy. In questions of regard to Ireland. While he agreed that Kingdom In practice the House at pres defence, trade, naturalisation, land settle local bodies must be set up with certain sent became for one bill or another a rent. Indian reforms, and Egypt, the powers conferred upon them, he dissented Scottish Parliament or an English Dorninings would in anxious to work and from the proposition that the nnit must bere very often went away and did

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and a inancial "grant ore country, Have ourselves to thank if they proceeded upon the different localities, "in accord tries claimed an equivalent grant. on the business without us.

ance with the local circumstances, such more than one occasion discussions had As he saw it, the problem fell into thres powers as would enable them to meet their taken place as to how such a grant was pretty obvious divisions (1) Business needs (Cheers.)

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Devolution was entirely a question of! you going to devolve?" The Arst thing degree. The question was. What are

ADVANTAGES OF FEDERALISM. He was quite willing to assist in draft- the Imperial Parliament. was to see how far they interfered with ing a federal bill, in fact he had one in Care must be his box which he thought would work taken that in the Imperial Parliament extremely well-(laughter) but the time there was the residuum of power; that for that was not yet. Cne of the ques the Imperial Parliament guided and tions which the body suggested in the governed all the other Parliaments. One resolution would have to consider was the of the great objections to the Home Rule | form the devolution proposals would take. difficulty in the matter was the question Act was that the residuam of powend of House of Commons could not, give su

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war bad surely taught us that the of Ireland. Exactly in the same way as put in the Irish Parliament instead of he regarded the question of the division being retained in the Imperial Parlin sent me for consideration of the of England one for inquiry, so he regard.

nent. As regards the Imperial Parlia would make the difference between peace great problems the solution of which ed the question of the division of Ireland ment a system of taxation must be set and one for inquiry.

ap for feeding the Imperial resources that government of our great Colónial posses war. Questions concerning the Mr. J. A. M. Macdonald in seconding could not be interfered with or weakened sions, our Crown Colonis, and Protec- the motion, said that the congestion of any of the subordinate Parliaments. torates were of vital interest to the pros Parliamentary business was due to the Care must be taken also that those ques perity and greatness of the Empire. A anormous development in our industrial tions were considered with equal sacrifice few hours on the Colonial vote, life and the constantly increasing demand in relation to all the subordinate Parlin: hours on the Foreign Office vote, and a for legislation owing to the change which

ments proposed to be set up. One of the few hours thrown to India was all the had taken place in "men's idens of the

most dificult things in setting up these time given to the discussion of these great here of legislation. No member could subordinate Parliaments was to analyar questions, and the rest of the time was feel that he would keep abreast of the where the Imperial began and ended.

taken ap with legislation work of the House (Hear, hear.) 2.

where the national began and ended, and could be given to

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affecting deres concerns. By devolution more time The work of a member of Parliament was

what was the local, national, or Imperial, be given to the discussion of ques- becoming more purely mechanical, and did not believe devolution was a step tons, the Colonies, and the great question One thing he entirely agreed with. He affecting foreign countries, the Domin- Imperial concern-questions it would become increasingly difficult to towards separation (Hear, bear) In get the best type of men to serve their deed, he was not sure that devolution, ifperial defence and there would be country. The only alternatives that Ead been proposed were a change in the rules properly carried out, might not lead to fie legislation which was

domra. of procedure of the House and devolution. closer union--(choers)-because when all was asked: "Does that lead to an Im Many changes in procedure had been had agreed as to the local contribution to perial Parliament, in which the Empire made during the last few years, but they in the imperial Parliament of certain hoped that the day would come when there

Imperial taxation and to the maintenance would be represented? had all failed in their purpose. The

He had always mass of business had steadily catgrown rights, they would find that they could would be men in the Imperial Parliament the capacity of the House to deal with it not touch any part of these Parliaments entitled to speak for all parts of the.

(Cheers.) already legislated for separately by Constitution, In that way it became one Mejor Parliament. Each bad its own judicial Breat whole, which had to be dealt with was to-day in Scotland & much more liv- system and its own Government departs a whole. One of his great objections ing thing than ever before. Some system Devolution could, therefore, be to the Home Rule Act was that they Scottish affairs could be dealt with in must be adopted by which exclusively carried out without any large distur, deals with one opit of the United King-Scotland, bance, of the present system of govern dom in a manner in which it would be ment. The subordinate legislatures could possible to deal with the other units, his amendment, which was

Mr. Mackinder did not propose to move have defined sources. of revenue for their and they were simply giving another lever among the subjects of inquiry the de- to those who were not prepared to accept sirability of dividing England into pro- With regard to Ireland, he said one union with this country, and would use vinces, each with its subordinate legisla section of the people were in open rebel--that lever for greater separation from ture, in order to avoid the inconveniences ion, and seventy of its members of the United Kingdom. He regretted that which 8f one partner in the Federa- | ght result from the great pre- Parliament had refused to sit in that the motion had been framed as it was.. House, apparently with the full

The seconder had said the Irish ques

dominance

it was essential It seemed to they were sub- of the legally constituted electors. They tion could not remain where it was. That that the Parliamenta, openly claimed the right to set un a free was always being said about

the ordinate, should not be such that they and independent republic. Another sec Irish question, and it was a strange

challenge the tion, much less numerpus, but very nower. thing to reflect that the work of thirty great Parliament. Burely is no the th

it was full ful were satisfied and desired no change geurs, which culminated in the Home determination of the various sections of and a third section, still-less powerful, Rale Act, culminated in an Act which this that they were faced by a took up a position between there two for act a single soul in Ireland wished to see common danger they should face it united

(Hear, bear) the sake of peace and conciliation, and put into force. There were worse things arged that they should grant to "freland that leaving the Irish question where it consider carefully the case for Home Rule E. Adkins asked the House to Dominion powers of government, The Let them not meddle with it and for England. Irish question could not remain where it mala, a mess of it. As far as possible, war. It was not merely that it had let them treat it as they would treat Eng nationalities a greater power and, rea- Mr. B. Walsh said we ought to give poisoned the life of the people, but that land and Scotland, and try to work the ponsibility than they had in the past. it had poisoned our life as well. Ireland United Kingdom as a united whole. They The, spirit of nationality was quite con could not be governed by the sword.

would then do far better than by trying sistent with the Imperial connection.

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