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BEWARE OF BUREAUCRÀTS.", Healm Act all the powers they bought in

ADDING TO THE STRENGTH POWER, AND INFLUENCE OF MILITARISM."

CLAUSE IN THE ARMY (ANNUAL) 18

BILL WITHDRAWS.

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In Committee on the Army (Annual) Bill on April 2nd, Mr. Adamson moved o delete from Clanse 12 paragraph (a) which sought to enact that

any person who by word of mouth, or in writing,

L or any newspaper, other periodical, hock, circular, printed publication, spreads reports or makes statements intended or likely to prejudice the recruitinests

military serve in any of

rol forces, or in any body of persons carol- led for employment under the Army Ceune, or to prejudice the training. discipline, or administration of such forces

of

persons to

shall be liable to imprisonment for two years or a fine not exceeding £100, or both ine and imprisonment.

this clause. This Act would not be re- ended until the ratification of peace. Surely his right hon. friend anticipated that this would occur before the end of another year i

Mr. Churchill: Yes..

Sir H. Dalziel: Say, at the end of July or the end of August, or before the year expires?

Mr. Churchill That is a hope.

Sir H. Dalziel: Does my right hon. friend seriously suggest, as a responsible member of the Government, that he thinks peace cannot be declared before one year only be that belief that expires It

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justifies this clause, because if peace is ratified in the course of a few weeks- and the Government will have to look to HUGE themselves if it is pot-l say there is a

whatever for the clause.. case what would happen under the clause if he oriticised an aggressive military policy in Russia

He asked

A Labour Member? You would get "pinched.""

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Sir H. Dalziel continued that as long06 as the clause remained men would not express or write their honest opinions; they had ho time to be troubled by the

It

This paragraph, Mr. Adamson said,

Public Prosecutor or his friends. was causing the greatest concern among would have a paralysing effect on freedom the working-classes. It meant the sof speech and the liberty of the Press. lation into permanent legislation of some

Further, оде could be penalised for of the Defence of the Realm Regulations,

criticising the administration," which and adding to the strength, power, and presumably included the War Office and influence of militarism in the country. Under the clause members of Parliament its officials. If he said that the adminia- and trade union officials would have the bration of the War Ofice was faulty. beneficial activities in which they had been engaged during the past four and a half years, on behalf of trade unionists and their constituents serving in Army, rendered impossible

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Mr. Churchill said the House would not be well advised to delete the paragraph or the clause. There probably never was a time when were mischief could be Wrought to the general structure of the State by the kind of conduct stigmatised and penalised in the clause.

Mr. Adamson: You are increasing the seriousness of the time by the insertion of such a clause.

Were

would he be prosecuted!

Mr. Churchill: No.

Sir Henry Dalziel: My right hon. friend may not be at the War Office at the time. These decisions are made b the police-constables of a particular dis- trict.

General Sir Ivor Philipps joined in the appeal that the clause should be with drawn. There was too much Army Coun cil about it. If he criticised the admin- istration of the Army Council in his can- stituency, which he had persistently done, be might find himself in prison.

my

Mr. Churchill: Criticism may be in- tended to improve the administration.

Philipps: In General Sir I. Mr. Churchill maintained the Govorn ment were as good judges as the Labour opinion, my criticism has always been party. He declined to admit there

with the object of improving the admin- any experts in democracy in the House.istration, but in the view of the Army (Bear, hear.) All members of the House Council my criticism has always been to contact with constituencies, and damage it (Cheers and laughter.) The kept in were elested on the widest franchise which Army Council have turned down every had ever existed. Any offence

against one of my proposals, and, therefore, in their view, 1. have always been in the this paragraph was serious in the time in which they lived, and it was hecessary

wrong. (Cheers.) reinforce the law dealing with such an offence. The former penalty of £20 was insufficient in the case attempted to create a mutiny or disaffece tion in any of the lar bodies of military men hom they had on their hands at the time in various stages of demo

to

anyone who

THE CLAUSE WITHDRAWS.

me might be convenient that ernment irrespective of this clause.

be

Mr. Churchill was of opinion that both rides might be said to be exaggerating the issue at stake. He could not on bis part deny that a very great body of legal struc ture remained it the disposal of the Gov For of the instance, they had the full Defence of the would run unmitigated up to the ratifica tion of peace. They had the permanent tion powers of the Army Act in regard to re- be in contravention of the King's Regula-cruiting, and they had the Mutiny Act, tions

deal with the whole clause at

Sub-section that stage.

provided against any person who induced any per- son in any of his Majesty's Forces to act knew to in a manner which

such

or other orders.

soldier was

which was

Realm Regular which

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liable to two years imprnment with was thus great body of law which bard labour, and he (Mr. Churchill) could ready safeguarded the discipline of the the armed forces. they looked back at not see why the person who seduced the soldier should not be liable to a penalty the actual practice of the last few years,

than a fine of £20. There was no it Lack of £20 when they were dealing with They these questions.

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absurd to hear the speeches had been made. There had been which had produced szate.of Omutiny in many parts of very odd sources, arthe House should got the British Isles.

arrive at very con-

The Government did venient moments.

It make it cheap for any agitators who hated not take action against their critics. this

country

was thought better to prozed by other and had done their best to bring it to its faces in the time of the methods to deal with the evil, because the

about and make mischief and

persons engaged in these criticisms, when muting in the Army. The clause was they saw the evil consequences taken bodily from the Defence of the levity, immediately came to the aid of the

Government Realm Regulations.

ceased that course of An Hon. Member: Will this clause be agitation which was demoralising and

causing

the Army. Ample disaffection in withdrawn when peace is signed.

liberta

of action had existed during the which

used to had been Mr. Churchill replied that it stood for wax,

£ very dan ne year caly, and could be rediscussed gerous extent without the Government before it was imposed again.

having. invoked or utilised the powers of prosecution. He believed they could count the prosecutions in a year on the Angers of one hand.

An Hon. Member: It can be withdrawn one year before the election..

A CONCEB81ON.

and

would be a wise and prudent act to keep the clause in the bill, but be folt

Mr. Churchill replied that if the bon. member thought that any particular ad-

to take into consideration the very vantage might go to one particular party strong expressions of opinion in all quar he was very much mistaken. It was, of ters of the House. There was no use in the utmost importance that nothing debate if Ministers would not allow them. should be done to interfere with fair and selves to be influenced by it. He was reasonable criticism

cism of the military therefore quite willing to allow the clause authorities or the War Office,

The utmost

to be withdrawn. (Choors.)

latitude in that respect had been enjoyed. Sir H. Dalziel thanked the Secretary.... The Government were ready to bave for War for recognising the opinion of much criticism, censure, and ridicule is the vast majority of the members. the daily Press and hon. members might was sorry the withdrawal was

the creation of scdition but

supply,

With

На

made

DO of

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more grace. forces and seduction of them from Ob!") ed

The Secretary for War had into their duty were matters which came

certainly criticised members towards the an, altogether different

Be category.

and of his speech. He could see there been impressed by the opinions expressed had been a batle between Mr. Churchill that legitimate criticism might

be involv

and the bureaucrats, What had happen- of the

ed would let the country see that the

ed in some cases by the provisions they House was "not going to give full unfet-

bts it stood, but he

tion

better stick to the principle of inten

and

the bill.

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tered power to any Government, and Kr. Churchill should post op the stairs of his In order to carry a larger body of department the instraction," Berare of opinion, he was rends to drop out Bureauerata. the words or likely in sub-sections a

amcadment baving been with- and, which referred to actions "intend drawn, the clause was then deleted from ed or likely to prejudice recruitingis-

calculated or

to Cause was dis faction amongst the forces."

the amendment to prepared to accept leave out the words or of any body of under persons enrolled for employment

Army

Hon. members contemplate the enrolling opposite. Council." of a large body of civilians under the Aray Council to break strikes, but the Government never contempt would leave

the

N

THE COST OF THE NAVY.

In 1917-18 the net cost of the Navy was £997,388,891, compared with £208,877,217 in the previous year. The totals under the main heads of expenditure, as set out in the appropriation account, are as fol-

Jew:-

of the sort. The amendment such of the Queen Mary's Army Abxiliary, Corps and the Women's Royal Air Force to the fall binst of the mephitic past from which the armed forces

This im were

(Laughter.) protected. portant alteration would reduce the chances of convictions being obtained under this Act, but it could be afforded even in these dificult times

Colonel W. Thorne welcomed the conf. censions by the right hon. gentleman, but:

the clause

WIA

to

Pay, etc.

£37,559,536 Victualling and clothing... 13,481,159 Shipbuilding, repairs, and

119,763,908

maintenance

Naval armaments........ 34.177.359 Works, buildings, and re

pairs Miscellaneous effective ser

the

1,556,760

9,193,802

hit some, Labour chess was going pairs, and maintenance contract work

accounted for £70,802,054. Appropria

from included contributioning to 210,535,444,

No one in that party wanted to Bec in tions in aid,

this country what was happening in Ger

India

and £221,777. and claims

many and Russia, but the Government the Dominions, were doing what they did not intend to Balances irrecoating do, and were causing a great deal of abandoned, representing a total of dimatisfaction in the minds of working £82,563 include money Yost in warships people, who would be inclined to kick over (£24,857) and the value of service ren dered to foreign Governments (£4,730). As £23,500 of the missing money was Treasury notes, there was to this extent no actual loss to the exchequer.

the truces. A

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